My First Grow Log...Comments Appreciated!

[Binzhoubum]

:smokin:
I would like to start off this thread by saying thank you to everyone on cannabis.com who has helped me make this possible: Thank you! I have gotten alot of help from Mistyganjatree, BobBong, Carisma, and Black Bliss over the past couple weeks and I appreciate it alot.

I need to preface this grow log by saying I started the plants outside for the first three weeks. I didn't really expect to get so serious about growing, but after I found these message boards something kicked in my brain. I am now on a "mission from God", so to speak. Either way, I started out the plants in smaller pots and let them sit outside until the box was complete, and then I transplanted into the pots you see now and stuck them in the box. :D I haven't had too many problems, I think except one of the plants can't seem to get over it's yellowing leaves issue. Seems like all the green is going to the top of the plant because this particular plant is a much darker green at the top than the others.

Either way, I should also let you know this is my first grow and I am just using some bagseed. I have noticed that my plants do not seem as bushy as others I have seen on the boards, but I think it is probably due to the fact they were started outside, and we don't have the greatest of weather 'round these parts. I am thinking about giving them a couple more days of veg, and then just flowering, but I am not really sure.

Here are the details:

115 cm. long, 75 cm. deep, 150 cm. high
7--90 cm. Phillips Fl. lights. (Veg. 6100K, 2175 lumens, 30 watt)
(Flowering--2900K, 2175 lumens, 30 watt)---for flowering I plan on using 5 2900K lights and leave the other two 6100K
18/6 light cycle at the moment
Temps. 77-84 F (It fluctuates during the day and night)

Also, before you post any comments, I am working on the light leak problem right now and plan to have it fixed before I flower.

Thanks for any input! :smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

As the title implies...more pics. :smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

As I said earlier, I have this one plant that always seems to have yellowing leaves. I have fed it some 20-20-20 nutes just like the other plants, but this one continues to grow yellow towards the bottom and more dark green on top than the others...why?

Either way, I also wanted to note that I know I made the mistake of having two or three plants in one pot in a couple of the pots. They all started out strong and haven't had many problems thus far, so I figured let it go and see what happens. Learn from experience.

[Carisma]

Hi Binz,

they look pretty, apart from some yellowing of lower leaves.
As stated in the chat, I'd give them some side lighting and remove the big side fl you currently have as the plants will grow nowhere near that big.

Adding another fl on the back and on each side at plants level would sure help a bit.

Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Just my 0.02$

Cheers,
Carisma

[LIP]

Looking good, a also a nice set up

[Jdog7000]

I've found foliar feeding in veg with an organic grow mix. Helps yellowing and stress alot.
I will always foliar feed in veg for now on.
And early flowering too.
I use a little of the pure blend pro grow in a spray bottle.

[Binzhoubum]

I have been spraying them down every couple days with a 20-20-20 mix. I can't find the name brand nutes out here so I have to go by the N-P-K numbers I see on the box. Is 20-20-20 suitable for veg? It seems I have seen more than a few logs who use this ratio.

Also, I am going out tomorrow to fix the lighting for the sides of my box. I will add three 60 cm. fl tubes to the side if all goes as planned. :smokin:

Thanks for the feeback guys!:thumbsup: :smokin:

[bob bobbinson]

Im also a fan of your setup. looks very artistic.

[HapaPride]

nice job... thanks for the idea.... my creativity failed me.... i am currently making a veg box using a combo of flour. tubes and CFL's.... you just gave me the assistance on how to mount the lights.... on another piece of wood so it can be raised and lowered easily.... makes it nice and clean, THANKS!

good luck on the grow... look forward to seeing the progress

[Binzhoubum]

Thanks for the positive feedback guys! It only motivates me more! :smokin: I'll post some more pics when I get my side-lighting reworked.

:thumbsup:

[Binzhoubum]

Well, guys I am going to the market to pick up some more lighting materials. I hope to have these new lights installed and rewired by tomorrow, so please check back then!

Cheers!

:smokin:

[KHAN]

Looking great dude best of luck

[Binzhoubum]

Hey all! :smokin:

I changed my lighting system a little bit today. I took out the original 90 cm. fl tube I had installed on the side and replaced it with three 60 cm. tubes at 6100K (daylight). The tubes mounted to the hanging board are 5600K (as far as I remember---cool white). So, I now have a total of 8 fl's lights in there generating 13, 965 lumens. That's just a little over 2,000 lumens per square foot for my growing area.

I also fixed the side intake and exhaust to be as lightproof as I could get them while still retaining maxium air circulation inside the box.

As you can also see, I lightproofed the gaps in the box using black aquarium filter cut into strips and wedged into the openings.

This box is about as lightproof as it will ever get.

[Binzhoubum]

I also installed an air conditioner to regulate the temperature of the room thus regulating the temperature of the air that my intake fan is sucking into the box in an effort to keep the temperature in the box between 77-80 F. So far it has been working quite well.

I also took a picture of the door to my grow room and the window. These pictures were taken at about 2:00 pm my time and as you can see there is hardly any light coming into this room at all.

Also included is a picture of the filter I used to block out excess light coming from the box and a picture of the chain system I am using to raise/lower the lights.

[Binzhoubum]

Here are some pictures of my plants. I am going to go ahead and start flowering on Monday.

Some of the plants are much taller than others and this is probably because one batch was started a week earlier than the other batch and the plants in the smaller pots are using a different kind of soil (trying to experiment a little). I have also noticed the plants in the smaller pots are developing a sort of reddish-purplish color on the stems near the top of the plant. What could this be?

I am still having a problem with the lower leaves turning yellow. I fed them some nutes last night (20-20-20), so I am hoping it will clear up the problem in a day or two. I don't want to give them too many nutes though because I am afraid of "nute burn".

:smokin:

[t3chyo]

I'm to on a "mission from god", have yet to start it, soon. Plants are looking nice, congrats on all your work so far! It is nice to see more growers showing up that appreciate these plants! Good luck

[Jdog7000]

Lookin good.
The 20-20-20 is fine for veg.

[SkunkMe1]

They look great :thumbsup:
Grow on :dance:

[Binzhoubum]

The installation of the side lighting has improved my grow dramatically. I can easily see the results even after only a day and a half. I will post more pictures on Monday.

Thanks for the support! :smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

Jdog 7000, I seem to find conflicting information about what strength nutes to give during flowering. What do you recommend?

[Jdog7000]

During flower is a different story.
That forula is for veg.

The flowering nutes will be something like this...15-40-40
Anything for flowering around those numbers will work.
If you can get Foxfarm or Pure Blend Pro(organic) Those are the best for MJ.

[bob bobbinson]

Go go gadget fox farms ferts :thumbsup:

[9ski9]

It sure is an artistic looking setup...but am I seeing double or do you have two plants in some pots? C'mon, Binz, you know the rule on that...

Keep up the great work.

[Binzhoubum]

9ski9, I know I shouldn't put two plants in one pot, but I started them outside in small pots and hadn't done the appropriate research at that point. By the time I got to transplanting, the roots were hopelessly entangled. Do you think I should just kill the stronger of the two after I determine sex? They seem to be doing alright now, but I heard I may have problems during flowering.

Thanks! :stoned:

[Binzhoubum]

Thanks for the reply JDog7000, I'll be sure to start the hunt for a 15-40-40 fertilizer soon! What about administration during flowering? I also tend to get different reports from different people. What's your opinion?

:stoned:

[9ski9]

9ski9, I know I shouldn't put two plants in one pot, but I started them outside in small pots and hadn't done the appropriate research at that point. By the time I got to transplanting, the roots were hopelessly entangled. Do you think I should just kill the stronger of the two after I determine sex? They seem to be doing alright now, but I heard I may have problems during flowering.

Thanks! :stoned:

Yes. I would make the killings today, though, and hope for the best.

[Binzhoubum]

Here are some pictures I took today. :smokin:

Some of the plants are growing much faster than others since I planted more than one in a few of the pots. I think I will take your advice, 9Ski9, and kill off all the weaker ones tonight because I plant to attempt flowering soon.

I was also wondering if I should try to LST some of the taller plants...or is it too late??

Off to do some research!

:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

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[Space Ghost]

Great setup

[Login Failed]

How many days are these at now?

[Binzhoubum]

They are at about week 4/5 of veg.

[Login Failed]

Looking good! Can't wait to seem them mature!

[Binzhoubum]

Ok, so I killed the weakest plants so now each pot only has one plant. :stoned:
I also had to start LST'ing some of the plants because they were getting too tall. I really didn't plan on doing LST for this grow because I wanted to get all the basics of growing down pat before I attempted any such technique, but the lack of room and the uneven canopy forced me to LST.

I tied them down yesterday night, and when I woke up this morning and took a peek the plants had already begun to turn back up towards the light in a big way. HOT DAMN!!!! These plants sure grow fast.

Also of note, I have switched from veg to flower and have found some nutes high in P that I will begin to administer in a couple days.

Please tell me what you think! :D

Thanks!:smokin: :thumbsup:

[Binzhoubum]

A couple more pics of my plants and a pic of the nutes I have been using. :smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

Here are some pictures I took today of my plants.

What do you think is wrong some of the bottom leaves? Not only are they yellowing but also some of them have large brown spots! I think maybe its because I foilar feed them a week or so ago and the nutes burned into the leaf because of the heat from the lights, but I dont know... Any opinions or advice is very welcome. :thumbsup:

They are in day four of flowering. From everything I have read, I am guessing I will be able to tell sex in a few more days. I can't wait to free up some of that space and some of those rays! :stoned:

Thanks!
:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

I just noticed a couple of these pictures are a little blurry. Sorry!:(

Comments are very appreciated...Anything I should change in what I have been doing or not?

Thanks!

:thumbsup:

:smokin:

:stoned:

[Binzhoubum]

I am thinking that I am trying to grow WAY too many plants in this box. I am thinking about taking out the six weakest plants and transplanting them to somewhere outdoors.

Any opinions? suggestions? comments? What do you think I should do?

Thanks!

:smokin:

[Jdog7000]

Don't forget you still have to sex and get rid of the females.
So grow them till you sex em.
Then pick which to keep.
And if there are any extra's.
Then put them outside.
The yellow leaf is normal.

[Binzhoubum]

Thanks JDog 7000! Your input is highly appreciated!

Smoking one in your honor....:smokin:

:)

[Jdog7000]

Glad I could help!

[Binzhoubum]

Well, I am pretty sure this is a male, but I just wanted to make sure...so I figured I'd post a pic for the panel to decide. :thumbsup:

I seem to be having alot of problems right now. :( Besides the fact that about 70% of my plants are showing what I am pretty sure are male characteristics, I am also having a problem on some of the plants of the bottom leaves at the 2nd and 3rd internodes drying up and turning brown...doesn't seem like a good sign to me. :(

Either way, I wasn't hoping for the best on this grow since I started them outside and basically have no idea what I am doing other than what I have read. I have no "hands-on" experience and I can see now that I need to get much more of a feel for this before I can expect decent results...

My hat is off to all of you who successfully grow again and again...:thumbsup: :smokin: :stoned:

Please tell me what you think if you have the time...They are at day 7 of 12/12.

:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

I am thinking about just scraping this batch and starting over.

:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

Only two of the pictures are of the suspected (99% sure really) male plant.

Two pictures (blurry---sorry) of a suspected female. I thought so because I didn't see balls and I saw five or six white hairs

One picture of the browning and dying leaves...and one of the overall area.

I am seriously thinking about forgetting this grow and starting over from scratch! ;)

:smokin: Smokin'... :smokin: Smokin'.... :stoned: STONED
:D

[mand]

Binzhoubum :) , Do not abandon this grow.

You're on day seven of 12/12 so the boys should be starting to show themselves, I can't tell from the pics except pic number four......... that's a boy from what I can see.

I'll have to apologise I have am a bit short of time to read through, but from what I can see you're doing ok, don't worry ;)


mand :)

[Binzhoubum]

Binzhoubum :) , Do not abandon this grow.

You're on day seven of 12/12 so the boys should be starting to show themselves, I can't tell from the pics except pic number four......... that's a boy from what I can see.

I'll have to apologise I have am a bit short of time to read through, but from what I can see you're doing ok, don't worry ;)


mand :)

Thanks Mand! :dance: Most of the plants I have look like number four...only one has definite hairs that I can see and the others don't really seem to have anything.

I will take your advice and not abandon...:smokin: :thumbsup:

[notorious P.O.T]

yeah man dont abandon them :( !!! ur grow looks awsome... just stick with it and im sure ull be very happy with the results!!! by the way hows the drainage in those pots? they got any rocks or sand under the soil? cuz if the drainage isnt that great the dirt on the bottom can turn to muk and deprive ur plants of much needed oxygen, and stop them from the uptake of nutes, and could be the source of ur yellowing leaves... but all together very nice man and keep up the good work!:smokin:
~Notorious

[Binzhoubum]

yeah man dont abandon them :( !!! ur grow looks awsome... just stick with it and im sure ull be very happy with the results!!! by the way hows the drainage in those pots? they got any rocks or sand under the soil? cuz if the drainage isnt that great the dirt on the bottom can turn to muk and deprive ur plants of much needed oxygen, and stop them from the uptake of nutes, and could be the source of ur yellowing leaves... but all together very nice man and keep up the good work!:smokin:
~Notorious


Thanks Notorious! :dance: I do have some kind of lava rock or something in the bottom of the pots. I don't know exactly what it's called just comes in big, unlabeled bags here. They use it to grow house plants in or something...

I appreciate the vote of confidence!!!!:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

Well, I sexed the plants today...as it turns out 7 were males, 3 are definitely females, and there are two more I am not too sure about yet. 7 days into flowering. :thumbsup:

I also have a couple different problems that I would like to share...

Picture 1: A "before" shot of my grow op.

Picture 2: A close-up of one of the males.

Picture 3: A shot of one of my females

Picture 4: A problem I have on a couple of leaves....What is this? Is it nuteburn?

Picture 5: A top shot of one of my females.

Picture 6: Curling leaf...only one of my plants has this problem. Is that strange?

Picture 7, 12: Root system of the plants.

Picture 8: :cursing: BUGS? I am guessing as much, but so far only on THIS leaf.

Picture 9: Female plant.

Picture 10: Unhealthy leaf. :cursing:

Picture 11: After all was said and done.

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I have a couple questions that I hope you can help me with...:D

Question #1: Take a look at pictures 7 and 12...I am worried that the pots my plants are in currently are not big enough because the roots seem to be running out of room...Should I transplant into bigger pots?

Question #2: If you have the time, please let me know what you think about some of the different problems I am having with some of the plants. Such as pictures 4, 6, and 10.

Any input is greatly appreciated! Thanks! :dance: :thumbsup:

[Binzhoubum]

More...:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

The last two....:smokin:

[iStayblunted]

looks very well

[BlackBliss]

Nice work bro, and thank you for honouring me in you speech...cheers Bliss.

[notorious P.O.T]

yeah those plants are close to being rootbound so i would reccomend moving up to atleast a 10 inch pot.. and about the yellowing (i could be wrong) but it might be nitrogen def... so just up their nitrogen a little bit and it should be fine..

[Jdog7000]

Be patient.
The males will show themselves.
But you'll end up with about half males and half females.
This is normal.
Transplant those into some bigger pots.
And from the looks of things.
The damage looks normal.
Leaves dying.
Ussually arent getting enough light.
So the plant uses it's nutes and it dies.

[Binzhoubum]

Thanks guys for the advice! :smokin:

Jdogg - How many lumens should be generated per square foot? I read somewhere 2,000 - 3,000 per square feet is ok for growing. I should have somewhere in between there with the amount of lights I have.

The plants picked up a lot today and are looking much healthier. :) But I am still not seeing a whole lot of new growth at the nodes, while the buds are starting to get more and more white hairs...if this isn't due to the light could it be rootlock? And will the plants be stressed alot if I transplant them now? It would be the second time already and I have them a week into flowering.

Can any precautions be made while transplanting so as not to stress the plants further?

Thanks! :smokin:

[Jdog7000]

OK, I go by a simple rule.
50 watts per sq. foot at least.
So if you have a 400 watt light.
Thats a 2 by 2 foot area to grow in.

So just use this formula for your floro's.

The temp should be fine.

Might be root bound causing your leaves to do that.

You got a ph meter, right?

OK transplanting a flowering plant.
In my opinion there is only one way to do this.
And it inclueds cutting the pots they are in now.
You cut the bottom off.
Trying not to cut the roots too much.
A little is fine.
And could actually help root faster.
So cut of the bottom and set on top of a new pot full of nice new soil.
The roots will stretch into any space provided to them.

[Binzhoubum]

OK, I go by a simple rule.
50 watts per sq. foot at least.
So if you have a 400 watt light.
Thats a 2 by 2 foot area to grow in.

So just use this formula for your floro's.

The temp should be fine.

Might be root bound causing your leaves to do that.

You got a ph meter, right?

OK transplanting a flowering plant.
In my opinion there is only one way to do this.
And it inclueds cutting the pots they are in now.
You cut the bottom off.
Trying not to cut the roots too much.
A little is fine.
And could actually help root faster.
So cut of the bottom and set on top of a new pot full of nice new soil.
The roots will stretch into any space provided to them.

Thank you so much!
I am smoking TWO in your honor now! :smokin: :stoned:

I monitor the ph of my water with the best thing I could find around these parts which was an aquarium pH meter...my water is around 6.0 according to it...:thumbsup:

[Jdog7000]

OK,it's probably root bound then.
Or over watered maybe.

[burnable]

I wouldn't worry about the undergrowth foliage looking less healthy. The canopy of the plant will usually look healthier and luxuriant. a lot of growers prune to get more light to the undergrowth, or use light that is mounted on the sides of plants, so that light reaches them horizontally, or just harvest the ripe buds and allow light to reach the lower portions and let them bud

[Binzhoubum]

I wouldn't worry about the undergrowth foliage looking less healthy. The canopy of the plant will usually look healthier and luxuriant. a lot of growers prune to get more light to the undergrowth, or use light that is mounted on the sides of plants, so that light reaches them horizontally, or just harvest the ripe buds and allow light to reach the lower portions and let them bud

Thanks Jdog7000 and Burnable! :rasta:

I have lights on the side...thats what I am worried about...they still seem to be dying.

:smokin:

But I think it will get better now because I transplanted them.
Yesterday whenI transplanted them the roots were bunched right up at the bottom, so hopefully they will have more room to grow out now.

[Jdog7000]

How often do you water?
Do you let the soil dry out first?

[4x5]

I have one plant with the same leaf curling right now, what caused it was root damage during transplant, really set that plant back about a week. It did start to grow fast again, but almost a week later the curling leaves hasn't gone away, and I don't expect it to, all your new growth should be fine, but it will show some of that damage for life.

[Jdog7000]

Don't worry if the leaves on your plants don't look perfect after a while.
It's wear and tear from stress and what not.
AS long as the new growth is fine thats what matters.
They ussually don't heal themselves.

[Binzhoubum]

Thanks Jdog7000 and 4x5! :smokin:

I have been watering them every couple of days as needed.
I water when the soil is dry to the depth of my index finger.

I am happy to hear the leaf damage is normal...I guess I felt a little worried because some of the growers on here dont seem to have too much leaf damage. I guess I'll get better with time... :)

I am also happy to report that the new growth is healthy AND....My plants have shown amazing growth in the past couple days since transplanting!!!!
I was shocked to see new internodal growth sprouting out like no tomorrow!

I guess they just needed a little more room after all...:smokin:

Thanks guys for all the help and interest! I will post some pictures in a couple days. :smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

Hey All! :stoned:

My plants are beginning their third week of flowering...Ever since I transplanted them they have been growing much faster.

I haven't given them nutes for nine days.

Any suggestions?

Thanks! :smokin: :stoned:

[Binzhoubum]

I need a little help...:confused:

As you can see in the first picture, the roots can easily be seen when I water. Are the plants rootbound? Or was the water maybe hitting the surface to hard?

Also, some of my buds have browning on the top but I want to keep them as close to the lights as possible so the rest of the plant flowers well...is this a bad idea? Because they seem to be growing into the lights everyday. :thumbsup:

Thanks!

:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

A couple more...:smokin:

[mobay]

damn binz your plants are lookin good. in pic 1, maybe try and water from the bottom instead, to have the roots go down to get their water. instead of watering from the top . add a little more soil to cover the roots at the top. if not they will turn to wood

[KHAN]

Looking good bro, keep up the good work.

[Binzhoubum]

Thanks Mobay and Khan! :smokin:

Thanks for the tip Mobay! I will go ahead and start watering that way.

和为贵!

[Binzhoubum]

Hey All! :smokin:

Day 26 flowering

My plants were looking pretty bad a few days ago. I definitely burned them with nutes, so I flushed them and they are REALLY perking up.

The buds are starting to fill in and crystals are starting to form and spread out on the leaves. I am so excited. It's really starting to have a strong, skunky, citrus type of smell to it.

I would take some pictures but the camera is out of town at the moment.

Thanks guys for all your help and support! I couldn't have gotten this far without all of you!

Smoking one in your honor.... :smokin: :smokin: :stoned:

[scottjamez]

Do you know what type of seeds these are from, or are they baggies?

[scottjamez]

BTW... VERY nice looking. I just started my first grow. I hope it turns out to be as nice as yours are looking!!

[Binzhoubum]

Do you know what type of seeds these are from, or are they baggies?


I have no idea what kind they are...just bagseed. :smokin:

Thanks for the compliment! :D

Good luck with your grow! May the drug gods smile upon you! :thumbsup:

However, I wish my plants looked as good as Mobay, BobBong, Garden Known, and all the other veterans out there...:smokin:

[ate]

fat plants.....!

[Binzhoubum]

Here are some pictures of my plants...:smokin:

They are about seven weeks under 12/12...I cut one down yesterday as two of them are showing a lot of yellowing and now brown, dead fan leaves...I am going to wait for it to dry until I cut the other one.

The other three seem to still be getting more crystals and getting a little bigger and don't seem to have as many yellow and dying leaves so I will wait to cut those down I guess.

BTW...I had to use a crappy camera today. I should have my old camera back after this weekend so I can take some good pictures.
:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

here are some pics of one of my buds up close :smokin:

[kully]

Binz i just read through this whole post .congrats , thanks for putting this up. It helped me alot

A question about your lights though , on your first post you said" 7--90 cm. Phillips Fl. lights. (Veg. 6100K, 2175 lumens, 30 watt)

(Flowering--2900K, 2175 lumens, 30 watt)---for flowering I plan on using 5 2900K
Are these just ordinary fluros from a hardware store,or special garden ones?

In a hardware store all i see are fluros with "white" on the packet nothing about spectrum etc.

[OmegaVermelho]

i bet they´re tasty....i can smell them all the way here...

[ate]

The bud looks nice.

I hope to grow just one plant that looks like that...just one at first, and harvest and smoke the whole thing when it's ready.

[Binzhoubum]

Binz i just read through this whole post .congrats , thanks for putting this up. It helped me alot

A question about your lights though , on your first post you said" 7--90 cm. Phillips Fl. lights. (Veg. 6100K, 2175 lumens, 30 watt)

(Flowering--2900K, 2175 lumens, 30 watt)---for flowering I plan on using 5 2900K
Are these just ordinary fluros from a hardware store,or special garden ones?

In a hardware store all i see are fluros with "white" on the packet nothing about spectrum etc.

Hey Kully! :smokin:

Glad you found my little experiment interesting. I really learned alot from this grow. Granted, I only yielded about 4 oz. , but the experience was invaluable, and I managed to keep it cheap from the get go before I move on in the weed growing world. I am hoping to get an HPS soon! :dance:

I think my plants would have done a lot better if they would have been grown in the box from the start. They wouldn't have been so stretched.

To answer your question, I just bought regular Phillip's Fl tubes. It usually says the kind of light on the box, at least all of the Fl light boxes I see around here have it. You just have to look carefully for all the specs. It's written kind of small on the box. OR you can take out the tube and look at the end, should say something like, "WW 2900K, 2175 L".

:stoned:

Thanks for the support Ate and Omega!

[Binzhoubum]

Hey guys! How's everyone been? I just wanted to let you all know I got five babies going on right now. Looking ALOT better than last time. Just wanted to express my thanks for everyone who helped me progress in my gardening skills! :smokin:

I'll try and put up some pictures if I can find a digital camera.

Peace. :D

[bud breath420]

wow dude they look awesome... shame i missed this thread until now..