2nd time has failed...Grrrrrr

[JohnnyBravo]

Hello people.

My second attempt at growing has failed after 3 days and I don't know what the hell I'm doing wrong. I thought that my first attempt failed because of transplanting, but now Im not too sure. This time I did'nt transplant and the damn thing just kieled over after 3 days, and as you can see I've made a lame attempt at propping it up with something, but it was flat out on the soil when I woke up. Ive got good soil, good lighting, good vent and all that shite and Im sure I didnt over water....What else do I need to do for the buggers.
Im gonna give it 1 more bash and if that fails then fuck it, everthings going on ebay and Im back on the beer.

Can anyone give me some useful advice or tell me what Im doing wrong please. Thankyou

[sawleaf]

What is the temperature under that light? Do you have a cannabis grow book?

[JohnnyBravo]

yeah Ive got a book.

The light is 250w sodium and temperature of room is about 80f.

How far should the light be away from plant??

[buddha]

That room looks tiny your plant might not have enough carbon dioxide try spending some time with it for air exchange. If its not that or the lighting I have no other gusses but you obviuosly did somthing wrong so read some more and find out what it is.

[JohnnyBravo]

That room looks tiny your plant might not have enough carbon dioxide try spending some time with it for air exchange. If its not that or the lighting I have no other gusses but you obviuosly did somthing wrong so read some more and find out what it is.

Nah, I'm sick of reading. And the room is a wardrobe in my spare room with the doors ripped off. Windows are open 24/7.

Thanks anyway bud bud ding ding 2 99

[SmokieJ]

it looks like you transplanted too soon and shocked the plant...while you did your transplant how did your root structure look?
was it small and tight or dence and spred out.
the tipping is mainly from all the cappalarys in the stem break down from that shock if the roots are not strong enough to support the plant

[JohnnyBravo]

it looks like you transplanted too soon and shocked the plant...while you did your transplant how did your root structure look?
was it small and tight or dence and spred out.
the tipping is mainly from all the cappalarys in the stem break down from that shock if the roots are not strong enough to support the plant

That was my first time buddy. I have'nt transplanted this time.

[llamaman666]

the problem is the halogen light. halogen is the wrong spectrum, you need compact floros, hps, or metal halide light to grow.

[JohnnyBravo]

the problem is the halogen light. halogen is the wrong spectrum, you need compact floros, hps, or metal halide light to grow.

Got me confused there mate...Who said anything about Halogen. I have 250w sodium

[Dimebag]

hey dude i really cant tell you whats wrong, i once had the same problem too. Its most likely the soil, the nutes, and the distance of the light. My plants were dying as well when i used soil, but i decided to put them in a hydroponic system, and they sprung back to life. Incase you dont know, hydroponics dont use soil. They use a growing medium like perlite, gravel or rockwool (there are many more). They are put in a resivore of "working water" and nutes. You can make a cheap one for 10-30 dollors. You could use normal nutes with many trace elements or hydroponic nutes. If you want to try 1 more time then try hydroponics. Hydro can also improve you results by up to 75%. Make sure youre using the right nutes as well. High N, Low P and Med K for veg, Low N, High P and Med K for bloom. Your Light should be exactly 1 meter (over a yard) away from the tip of the plant.

Check this soil vs. Hydro test done by overgrow.com: http://www.overgrow.com/article/22
And check here to make a cheap bubbler bucket hydro system: http://www.overgrow.com/article/2
or look around online for one (nice full kits in ebay, just search "hydroponics").

Post your succuess

[JohnnyBravo]

hey dude i really cant tell you whats wrong, i once had the same problem too. Its most likely the soil, the nutes, and the distance of the light. My plants were dying as well when i used soil, but i decided to put them in a hydroponic system, and they sprung back to life. Incase you dont know, hydroponics dont use soil. They use a growing medium like perlite, gravel or rockwool (there are many more). They are put in a resivore of "working water" and nutes. You can make a cheap one for 10-30 dollors. You could use normal nutes with many trace elements or hydroponic nutes. If you want to try 1 more time then try hydroponics. Hydro can also improve you results by up to 75%. Make sure youre using the right nutes as well. High N, Low P and Med K for veg, Low N, High P and Med K for bloom. Your Light should be exactly 1 meter (over a yard) away from the tip of the plant.

Check this soil vs. Hydro test done by overgrow.com: http://www.overgrow.com/article/22
And check here to make a cheap bubbler bucket hydro system: http://www.overgrow.com/article/2
or look around online for one (nice full kits in ebay, just search "hydroponics").

Post your succuess

Cheers bud, I might give that a try. Thanks for the info

[GRB.4.Life]

There is no fan...Put a fan in there dude. A fan will stimulate the plant into creating a strong stem so it can support itself in its environment. Without a fan your plant will have a very hard time growing and most likely die from stress.

[jolly green giant]

id have to say that the heat done your plant in. that lamp is too close. and use floros for your next grow, for the first 2-3 weeks then use the hps
and no nutes for at least 3 weeks, they dont need any.

and one more thing.............dont give up,, your not going to let a weed get the better of you, are you.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Really good advice Giant!

Don't give up, Johnny!
Those that know the most have failed the most!;)

You also might want to check the soil ph.

And go ahead and try to get at least 2 or 3 plants going to increase your odds and give you a way to compare what helps and what doesn't.

Good luck!

[llamaman666]

oops, ya know reading can get hard, but i still am not sure how good a sodium is, try hps, mh, or cf.

[Tech]

Good advice Giant.
Don,t worry about PH and fans etc.....
Your best bet is a flouresant , any will do but cool white is the boy.
It,s a weed and will grow easily without worrying too much about anything.
Use growbag soil for tomatoes and keep it just moist not wet with a flouresant a couple of inches away from the seedling, and keep the temp around 20-25oc and she,ll grow.
There is no point putting a 250 sodium on a seedling as due to very small leaves and very few of them they can,t photosynthasize very quickly , so keep it under a flouresant untill you got atleast 3 or 5 fingered leaves on it. ;)

[JohnnyBravo]

Ok, i've taken all your advice and Im ready to give it another go. In the last 24 hrs i've germinated and planted two more seeds, and Ive also kept the original as it does'nt seem to be doing so bad. Although I have'nt been able to get any of those floro's you talked about, I have raised my light and have also ordered a metal halide lamp for veg (more money wasted).

Got me wound up after reading your cheeky little post jollygreen.....I felt like growing fields of the shit.

Anyway i've enclosed a couple of pics, thanks for the advice people, i'll try and keep you updated.

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

how did u germinate them? cuz i did the put them in water make sure they sink then i waited like 3 days and the tap root was out and evrything it was the best :D

[jolly green giant]

god loves a trier. well done fella

[llamaman666]

a metal halide is no waste, its a very good lamp.

[Tech]

If you bought flouros instead of a halide you could of saved yourself about £150, and they are best for seedlings and cuttings. :D

[draykcabsdog]

What is the pH of the water you are using? That could also be a problem (it was my first pitfall)

[JohnnyBravo]

What is the pH of the water you are using? That could also be a problem (it was my first pitfall)

I've heard of testing the ph of soil but not water. But yeah good point, I need to buy a ph test kit anyway.

Anyone know of any cheap ones anywhere??

[ProDiaGrow]

yeah Ive got a book.

The light is 250w sodium and temperature of room is about 80f.

How far should the light be away from plant??

What book where you using? ;)

[llamaman666]

if you wana test ph of water, just get a water ph tester at a pet store in the fish area.

[challawa]

A plant that size should be started in a small 3" seedling pot with a "seed" potting compost or proprietary soil less compost.Plants do best when they form a tight root ball, when it reaches 4" to 6" repot in the final grow pot with a 50 50 blend potting mix and perlite. It looks like a rediculous amount of perlite to use but mary likes sandy well draining soils.
Get rid of the foil, you are better off with white plastic trash bags (they also suck)...mylar is the best. Foil creates hot spots. You shouldn't need anything with bulbs as close as they should be right now.
Flourescent bulbs 2 inches away until you repot, then treat as a young plant.
Also watering is a factor, wait until the "soil" is dry to the touch at the surface and begins to pull away from the sides before watering. Your plant might be beginning "damping off" basically rotting of the roots from to much water.

[JohnnyBravo]

A plant that size should be started in a small 3" seedling pot with a "seed" potting compost or proprietary soil less compost.Plants do best when they form a tight root ball, when it reaches 4" to 6" repot in the final grow pot with a 50 50 blend potting mix and perlite. It looks like a rediculous amount of perlite to use but mary likes sandy well draining soils.
Get rid of the foil, you are better off with white plastic trash bags (they also suck)...mylar is the best. Foil creates hot spots. You shouldn't need anything with bulbs as close as they should be right now.
Flourescent bulbs 2 inches away until you repot, then treat as a young plant.
Also watering is a factor, wait until the "soil" is dry to the touch at the surface and begins to pull away from the sides before watering. Your plant might be beginning "damping off" basically rotting of the roots from to much water.

Thanks a lot, that sounds like some good solid advice.cheers