anti-Depressants

[cameron123240]

i firmly believe that i am depressed. my friend gave me three of his 100 mg Zolofts, and i have them with me, but am unsure how many to take, and possible side affects these may have. i am currently taking no other medicines. how many should i take??

[birdgirl73]

Hey, Cameron. Sorry to hear you're depressed. Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

The rough thing about Zoloft and the other SSRIs like it is that they don't really work immediately on depression. It takes them a couple of weeks at least. So three individual pills won't really help. If you're a candidate for the medicine, you'd need three weeks' worth. Three pills might give you some side-effects--and they might make you believe you feel better. But they really won't do anything to help depression long-term till most folks have taken them for longer.

If you're a teenager, dosing probably works a little differently than it does for adults. I know most docs start adults out on what's considered a low dose of SSRI antidepressants, then raise it after, oh, five to seven days (maybe sooner if they think someone's really sick with depression). So you have a week or maybe two before you're up to a full dose.

Getting medicine for depression is fairly easy if you can talk to your parents and get to your doctor--and if you can find a doctor who is OK with prescribing these drugs for young people, which is controversial in some circles. Most docs have sample and starter packs they can put people on right away so they can get started--and also see if they think the drug works--before they ever fill a prescription. If you're younger than 18, can you talk to your parents and then get to the doctor?

Hope you feel better soon. Depression is the worst. I've had it before, and I think I may have a touch of it again right now, too, or at least be building up to it. Paxil was the drug that helped me once before. I didn't like the side effects, but it did make my mood better.

[Ganjasaurusrex]

i firmly believe that i am depressed. my friend gave me three of his 100 mg Zolofts, and i have them with me, but am unsure how many to take, and possible side affects these may have. i am currently taking no other medicines. how many should i take??




If I were you I wouldnt mess around with any of that amphetimine based, pharmacuetical crap. They lie to people by the millions about common depression.


You can go to your local supplement store and buy the following and it does the same thing with no side affects.

Most common depression problems are dietary deficiencies.


Folic acid. (folate)

or

Ascorbic acid (vitamin c) 8-10 grams, divided into 4 doses.
Completely safe. (Reference: Linus Pauling institute and the Vitamin C foundation.

take that in combination with DHA fish oil.

and

full spectrum amino acids.(protein powder)


The ascorbic acid will stimulate seratonin and norephinphrine.
The amino acids L-tyrosine and L-tryptophan in the protein powder work with ascorbic acid to convert to these two into seratonin.

Its typically one of these 3 missing or marginal in the diet that causes common depression.


Dont fall for the "chemical imbalance" b.s. they know exactly what causes common depression.

They cant patent any of these things and that is why they formulated their own junk with an amphetemine derrivative to keep people in a state of mind where they "need" it.

Take care

[birdgirl73]

There are lots of folks who believe the way Ganja does and don't like the current fashionable pharma antidepressants, and I'm sure he's right that in some cases missing dietary compounds are to blame. I've checked my B-vitamins and folates to make sure that's not the case with me. He's also right that there are people who respond to dietary changes, too.

But I've also seen antidepressants work well for lots of folks as well.

I'm going to try your nutritional recommendation, Ganja, and see if that works before I go the prescription route. I'd love to avoid the side effects of the antidepressants. I also need to exercise more frequently than twice a week; I already know that.

[filly sensimilia]

take or leave it:twocents: , but i believe this will at least be accepted here. Athough I take dietary supplements, I still battle depression. My solution: Mary Jane. The only side affect is aggravated bronchial tubes, which will soon not be a problem. I am looking into purchasing a vaporizor which will allow me to 'smoke' without all the problems of actually inhaling smoke. what it does is heats the marijuana up enough to let off vapors, but not to the point of burning. and presto a treatment for my depression that has been tested over and over for at least the last 2000 years with no fatalities. and supported by the bible....bet the FDA doesn't make any such statements on their so called 'safe treatments'.:stoned:

[birdgirl73]

I certainly accept what you're saying. And I'm glad the MJ has helped you. A vape sounds like a good alternative. Lots of folks on here have had good experiences with the vaporizer approach. You're right that weed is a tried-and-true drug and a heck of a lot safer, probably, than lots of what's considered mainstream pharmaceuticals.

I'm not smoking much MJ, partly because I simply don't have enough to do that and partly because what we do have is primarily needed for my sister, who's been contending with chemo and cancer. I'd say I toked for the first time again after a two-decade break about eight weeks ago. And I feel like I'm more depressed now than I was when I began that very lightweight toking.

Maybe I'd feel better if I smoked more. This may also be situational with me. My sister is sicker now than she was even two months ago and we've officially learned that the outlook is, well, grim. Also it's summer and I really don't like the Texas heat. And my husband and son seem to be so busy lately that they don't need much of my time. So there are some understandable reasons for the blues. Exercise and more folates and B12 and C can't hurt me.

Wow! Sorry turn into a whiny baby when I should have been focusing on y'all. Hope we all feel on top of the world soon, Filly and Cameron!

[Ganjasaurusrex]

There are lots of folks who believe the way Ganja does and don't like the current fashionable pharma antidepressants, and I'm sure he's right that in some cases missing dietary compounds are to blame. I've checked my B-vitamins and folates to make sure that's not the case with me. He's also right that there are people who respond to dietary changes, too.

But I've also seen antidepressants work well for lots of folks as well.

I'm going to try your nutritional recommendation, Ganja, and see if that works before I go the prescription route. I'd love to avoid the side effects of the antidepressants. I also need to exercise more frequently than twice a week; I already know that.




We must have been responding to this at the same time. By the time I hit "submit reply" your response was already there, so appologies if we had a difference in opinion about the matter at that same moment.

The ascorbic acid, DHA, and Protein supplement works well. Sometimes the ascorbic alone is fine. It can work rapidy within 30-40 minutes. The feeling is light and barely noticeable.

Avoid taking it with sugared products or refined white products as insulin blocks ascorbic uptake. Non sugared orange juice works well.

I take 10 grams a day for general health reasons.

Of course its water soluble and out of your system within hours, which is the reason for dividing the doses in the day. Ascorbic plasma levels take 24 hours to multiply and plasma levels last about 30 days. Its the plasma levels that a person should keep maintained.

These plasma levels drop rapidly in disease states, smoking, stress etc.

Ive spent considerable time in study of ascorbic acid. At least a year. It serves many functions of physiological make up of the human body.
Strengthening arteries, conversion of amino acids in the brain, lymphocytes, collagen, stress, heroine withdrawl treatment and more.

Problem is that humans, primates, guinea pigs and fruit bats are the only mammals on the planet who cant synthesize it in the liver due to an evolutionary defect of the loss of 1 in 3 enzymes in the liver. Thought to have occured due to early migration patterns evolutionary eating patterns and changes in the environment.

All Reptiles synthesize ascorbic in the kidneys. So external sources are mandatory for humans.

Dogs and cats produce easily measured amounts in the urine when sick and/or under stress. This is how they can eat dirty things off the ground and not get sick. This ability declines as they age.


Most know the early British sailors and Antarctic explorers were the first to realize this without a citrus source. Many things will start to happen to the body within 100 days, and death follows in about 160 days without ascorbic.
Depression, skin infections, etc, etc. (AKA acute induced scurvy).

Many people are in acute induce scurvy states and dont know it due to the typical refined diet, hence the cause of "chemical imbalance". Turning to antibiotics or depression meds is not always the answer to simple problems.

The usrda of 500mg. is far too low and many humanitarian scientists, including the late Linus Pauling know that this is only meant to keep a person above that threshold of scurvy. We know why that value is kept low for a reason. This is a threat to the multi-billion dollar pharm industry. Of course things which cant be patented are not profitable and therefore not discussed. Most mainstreams docs are regulated by usdra in what they can talk about. Talk of higher is forbidden.

Yet spill over in the kidneys, like all mammals do in nature for survival is neccessary.

Many Doctors have stood by and let patients die of pneumonia or sepsis saying there is nothing more that could be done when this is totally false.


Immediate intervention with combinations of ascorbic and sodium ascorbate acid is the only way to stop this. 90 percent of hospitals dont use it and the 10 percent that due use the watered down version which is not very effective. The best form is mixed from scratch as Dr. Cathcart gives instructions in doing.

There is no pharm product available that will fuel the bodies lymphocytes and reduce phagocytosis oxidized free radicals like nature intended.

Ascorbic acid/ sodium ascorbate acid is a powerful biological reducing agent as well and is the best way to keep the body out of an oxidized state due to fighting disease, especially fast moving free radical diseases such as, pneumonia, bird flu, ebola, west nile, etc, etc. It doesnt matter as they all work the same way in how they overwhelm the immune system. Some vary with symptoms such as internal hemorrage.

It is the only molecule that carries an additional electron to act as a reducing agent. Oxidized molecules left over from phagocytosis in fighting a disease can cause more destruction in body tissue cells. Oxidized molecules are electron deficient and seek that electron from other healthy cells in the body.

Ascorbic/Ascorbate reduces the oxidized molecules while simultaneously fueling lymphocytes. It is the only molecule that can do this. Lymphocyte activity is directly porportional to the amount of ascorbic acid plasma available. This makes it easy to understand how a free radical cascade based disease moves rapidly through the body killing its host.

If you want to know how to stop the bird flu and other free radical cascade based diseases using ascorbic acid and/or sodium ascorbate injections to bring lymphocytes out in full force. see below.

Bird flu vaccines are not effective and have killed more than the disease itself thus far.

I keep all supplies on hand, sodium ascorbate, ascorbic acid, I.V. bag etc. etc. mixing directions. All simple easily attainable supplies. You only need to know how to give an injection properly or know someone who can if an emergency should arise.




Robert Cathcart. Orthomed. (use search box) (scroll till you get to "bird flu")
Bottom of page you should find supply list for I.V. and how to mix. He is very knowledgble and has treated over 40,000 patients.

These I.V. sodium ascorbate techniques have been around since the 50s and were used to cure polio victims. (Dr. Klenner)



Doses are high using bowel tollerance doses of ascorbic, but works great.
I took out a bad case of pneumonia in 24hrs using his methods. A little less than 200 grams in 24 hrs. Its based on the severity of the disease.

You must learn the techniques to know what your doing. 400 I.U. of vitamin E is neccessary to keep the red blood cells strong while doing this.


A persistant sore throat can be taken out in a matter of minutes with 6 grams ascorbic acid with bioflavinoids, mixed in about 6 oz. ounces of oj until it forms a thick juice. It will cling to the thoat and kill the strep bacteria on contact as it is a bacteriostat invivo and invitro. Wash down with several glass of water in about 15 minutes.
Works great where many cough drops and syrups are totally ineffective.

Ascorbic is the least toxic substance on the planet and does not become toxic until doses as high as 500 grams are reached.

Its usually the people that question its safety that are the ones with multiple grams of mercury fillings in their mouth. The most toxic substance on the planet.



Oh well I am kinda going off on a tangent here.

Have a good one.

[Ganjasaurusrex]

take or leave it:twocents: , but i believe this will at least be accepted here. Athough I take dietary supplements, I still battle depression. My solution: Mary Jane. The only side affect is aggravated bronchial tubes, which will soon not be a problem. I am looking into purchasing a vaporizor which will allow me to 'smoke' without all the problems of actually inhaling smoke. what it does is heats the marijuana up enough to let off vapors, but not to the point of burning. and presto a treatment for my depression that has been tested over and over for at least the last 2000 years with no fatalities. and supported by the bible....bet the FDA doesn't make any such statements on their so called 'safe treatments'.:stoned:


Well know the difference between the FDA and the USRDA first before we here your "beliefs".

What I advocate in saying has nothing to do with either one.

Smoke weed, feel better, come down, get depressed, (repeat cycle).

Smoking weed is fine, some use it as a crutch and is the source of their depression altogether. Obviously if your broncial tubes are messed up you smoke too damn much weed.

Very first comment by a newbie has to be a flame. Take your two cents and take a hike.

[cameron123240]

thank you birdgirl, youve been more than helpful.

i am sorry to hear about your sister, and i hope that something will happen so that she can get better.

may whomever you worship bless you, your family, and your sister's soul


~Cameron

[Ganjasaurusrex]

Well know the difference between the FDA and the USRDA first before we here your "beliefs".

What I advocate in saying has nothing to do with either one.

Smoke weed, feel better, come down, get depressed, (repeat cycle).

Smoking weed is fine, some use it as a crutch and is the source of their depression altogether. Obviously if your broncial tubes are messed up you smoke too damn much weed.

Very first comment by a newbie has to be a flame. Take your two cents and take a hike.


And in case someone forgot to tell you that vaporizor will leave oxidized aluminum on its surface each time it heats and cools getting worse each time you use it. So Presto, Alzhiemer.

[birdgirl73]

thank you birdgirl, youve been more than helpful.

i am sorry to hear about your sister, and i hope that something will happen so that she can get better.

may whomever you worship bless you, your family, and your sister's soul


~Cameron
Thanks, Cameron, for your kind words!

[BigMexiCANT]

dude whatever you do DONT TAKE THEM. I take Zoloft and Welbutrin and im like addicted to them when i dont take them i get withdrawl shit and fat headaches i reallly wish i could stop but i cant. All they do is sedate you and make u not care and be sleepy thats it. its just not worth it if i could go back i would have never taken those shits.