should i do anything or just let be?

[sjacobs713]

alright , so since i have over nuted them and burnt them up, some of the plants are still yellow , and some have gone back to that nice green, but are losing bottom leaf's..
any idea's ?
last watering i fed them just water, superthrive, and sprinkles of epsom salt..
prior to that watering i had fed them small amounts of alaska fish emulsion ( 5-1-1 ), and that sent them to hell.. now they are recovering..
some have nice green leaf's, but the bottom leaf's are yellowing and then withering away, some are just like a neon green/yellow color, and some have red/purple stems...
temps are pretty hot in there right now, somewhere around 97...
1000w MH about 3 ft above them...
the 2 that are in bigger pots WERE once my biggest plants, but they were also the ones turning yellow and withering away the most, so i transplanted them into bigger pots.
plants have not had any nutes in about 12 days now..
anyone w/ some grows up under their belts, please advise me on what you would do in this situation...
i really appreciate your input..

thanks!
slim

[Marijuanaehh09]

leave it and just try to flush them a bit

[notanotherteensmoker]

2nd that. your top growth looks good. those lower damaged leaves will die off anyway, eventually.

[Nutzz]

i used the alaska stuff too and some blood meal and my plants are doing well. How much did you use? I mixed a few Tbsp of the fish crap with 1 gal water and 3 drops of superthrive. smells awful but my plants are looking very nice.

[sjacobs713]

if anyone that knows what they are talking about knows what's going on w/ my plants, PLEASE let me know...
my ladies are now 3 weeks old, and not sure if they are where they need to be..

[GaGrown]

Hey Dawg!
You need a 265 cfm fan to take care of that light! Is your ballast in the grow area as well? If so...... Touch it real quick with the tip of your finger.It's got sum heat,huh? 97 Degree's? Shew! That's a hot house,not a grow room.I keep mine 78-79,LIGHTS ON,and 59-62 Boom,Boom OUT GO THE LIGHTS!Just keep with the plain water for a bit,they will be shell shocked,but they will be fine.Just over did it with the nutes... They are babies!Been there dun that! I do feel ya pain!I do wanna wish ya the best on ya GROW,though!

[sjacobs713]

what up GaGrown..?
i got a fan that's rated at 300 cfm, and that is not doing what i need it to do.. got it sucking directly out the fan, and nothing!
going to order one rated at 1350 cfm tomorrow.... i keep my a/c blowing at around 75 all day, and the door to the room open all day ( which is not smart b/c i am getting all these really small little critters running around the dirt ), 1 fan blowing air into the room all day, and then 1 more tall 12" fan blowing air into the hole on the reflector where the 300cfm is sucking, and damn temps still stay high.. w/o the light on gets to 80 easily...
the damn leaf's though wont quit yellowing.. now some of the top leaf's the big leaf's are spotting w/ some yellow..
next feeding going to give them straight water, and then after that
start feeding small amounts of fox farm nutes... they'll be a month old by then, and should HOPEFULLY getting ready to flower..

PEACE
slim

[Jdog7000]

There is some other reason your house is so hot.
Maybe your ac is broken. Is it a swamp cooler? Or a regular ac?
With a 300 cfm fan and the ac unit on. It shouldn't be so hot. It shouldn't get that hot even if you had a 1000 watt lights going. With the doors shut.
Check your house.
Something tells me your ac is broken.

[sjacobs713]

the house a/c works... i dont have anything in the room other than the fan pushing air into the dryer ducting that is conneted to the 300 cfm fan...
no swamp cooler.. think i may need to buy one of them..
plants are steadily just yellowing all over the place...

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT I SHOULD DO W/ THESE LADIES TO MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER... GET RID OF ALL THIS YELLOWING ?!?!?!?!

[mobay]

sj instaed of sucking the air through, reverse it and push it through. then set your a/c unit down on 65 and work with it until it reads 78-79 degrees steady. that way when the lights are on the room is 78-79 degrees and same with them off.

[iwantFUEGO]

check pH...

[GaGrown]

Yo slim!
I am a certified HVAC Tech.I am a sheet metal mechanic as well! So let me tell you this.The freon charge on your AC unit is low.Have someone come check it out! Make sure they check the super heat.It's an HVAC term the tech man will know will know by the gauges reading! He'll let you know if you need freon or not.Before you call someone,look and see if your lineset is frozen,accually will have ice on the line due to lack of insulation.could be a fix you could do without calling anyone!pull the black coating back together and duct tape the seem if it splitm or is torn.I still say you need a charge on it.You seem to have a refrigerant leak!I have 2 400 watt HPS lights and 1 265 cfm hydrofarm fan it will change the room temp in 5 minutes and drop th temp by 6 or so degrees.The size of your room makes alot of difference too.

Holla!
Ga Grown

[HapaPride]

what kind of soil are you using?

how big is your grow room?

[sjacobs713]

hey whats going on ?
first of all i would just like to say thanks to everyone...

all of my plants each have a different type ( brand name ) of soil... none of them are miracle grow...
when i bought them i did buy them w/ N > P > K theory, thinking that is what was good for seedlings....
the first 10 pots i did not mix in any perlite, but the bags did come w/ very small amounts..
i've got 3 different PH meters, 2 that work, and none of them are digital, all made for soil... all of my PH levels are between 6.0 and 7.1, none are any higher or lower...
i dont think that overwatering them is an issue, as i heard all newbs have a tendency to overwater, so i made sure i dont.. wait about 4 days AT THE LEAST.. normally 6 or 7 days between watering..
everytime i have given them 1-2 qts of water w/ 2-3 drops of superthrive.. ( maybe too much superthrive )
a couple of waterings back i did give them fish emulsion, not too much, but too much for the first time..
and then 2 waterings ago gave them more water, ST, and half the amount of fish emulsion that i gave them the last time... same 2 qts...
and now this last time ( a week ago ), I gave them water, ST, and epsom salt, just sprinkles..

the a/c unit that is in my house is old, but i just had the guy come out about 3 weeks ago to recharge it, and it is blowing cold, has been...
the grow room is a small walk in closet is about 6.5 ft wide x 4 ft deep x 9 ft tall... the closet is in my room, but the a/c vent for my room is no where near the closet, about 20 ft away..
the lamp is about the half way mark up the wall, so 4.5 ft.... i've got dryer ducting hooked onto the hood of the lamp, and then running up and through the ceiling where it connects to the 300 cfm fan i bought at home depot.. ( i order one that is 425 cfm, it's a real squirrel cage fan )...
i've got a 12 inch fan about 1 ft away from the hole in the hood where it's sucking out air, and the 12 inch is pointed there pushing in all the heat from lamp..
another 12 inch oscilating fan at the foot of the door, blowing air ontop of plants... all fans and lights on 24 hrs a day...

anyways, i hope i answered all questions, and someone can help make them happier..
thanks again!
slim

[sjacobs713]

just 1 more...
they're growing, but they are yellowing too....some of the yellowing is burning the leaf's off it seems like..
could that be some kind of bug doing that?

[mobay]

what iam looking at , those burn spots are coming from you watering with nutes. when watering try not to get any of the water on the leaves, this has happened to me all the time with my lower leaves. before i installed an a/c unit in my box , i would sweat up there with all that heat and sweat on the leaves and that made some of my leaves have yellow spots on them as well. so the yellow spots are from watering with nutes. now if the entire leaf if yellow thats has to do with over nute.

[GaGrown]

If you had been charged then ya got a small leak somewhere.A factory charged unit needs to have some added at times and that would be due to the length the lineset is and what size. Whether it's a split system or a package unit,Heat pump or whatever it is! It's got a leak! You gotta trace it or run the dye pack! Oh boy! Whatta service charge.He must be your friend?

Ga Grown

[sjacobs713]

alright, so SOME of the plants are growing, and some of them are just trying to hang on for dear life it seems like.. the ones that seem to be just hanging on, are still extremely small, and like a pale green/yellow..
the ones that are all growing, have nice big green leaf's on top ( some of which seem to be burning ), but all the plants that are growing w/ new top growth, have all bottom leaf's burning away.. the new little leaf's on those big ones that are coming in on the bottom are just burning as they come in..
it's now going on 3.5 weeks since i FIRST watered them w/ the fish emulsion and caused them to turn yellow, and about 2.5 weeks since the last watering of fish emulsion..
since that very last watering of fish emulsion they have been watered 2 times, w/ water , superthrive, and epsom salts..
now i watered them all yesterday w/ just plain water, and sprinkles of epsom salt...
i've got the temp of the room down in the 90 area now, so it's gone down, and staying down...
i dont think that the plants are being burned from the light b/c i dont feel the heat no where near them...
if you look at pic number five that is my newest plant out of the entire 12...
now that soil was mixed in w/ about 30% perlite.... i have never fed that plant anything other than water and superthrive, and just about 2 days ago started to notice the yellow coming in on the middle leaf's.. today i looked after yesterdays watering where i gave it a little epsom salt, and still yellow.. seems to be spreading across that plant too... ( this is why i think i may have some disease in there that is spreading...)
should i maybe give them extremely small amounts of that fish emulsion crap? could they be needing some nitrogen?
i really dont think that 's the issue b/c out in mother natures land, marijuana plants are not fed nitrogen, they are able to make it on their own..
I really need to get these ladies back on track and feeling good, or i am afraid i will lose my entire garden.. i honestly see no progress w/ this yellowing of the leaf's on my plants, just new growth on some...
PLEASE help me..
I've already transplanted 2 of them, and they are not doing any better either.!

anyways, once again i greatly appreciate everything..
PEACE!!!
slim


pic1 of all 12 plants as sunday morning
pic2 one of the plants that was transplanted.
pic3 is of one of the bigger ladies on top, but below it's dying
pic4 is a plant that was real small and started to grow decently about 3 days ago, and now that i watered yesterday this is what it looks like...
pic5 my newest plant, the youngest... has never been fed any nutes other than sprinkles of epsomm salt...
pic6 one of my bigger ladies that is also dying at the bottom...

[sjacobs713]

number6

[sjacobs713]

whoops, wrong pic...

[Jdog7000]

Yo slim!
I am a certified HVAC Tech.I am a sheet metal mechanic as well! So let me tell you this.The freon charge on your AC unit is low.Have someone come check it out! Make sure they check the super heat.It's an HVAC term the tech man will know will know by the gauges reading! He'll let you know if you need freon or not.Before you call someone,look and see if your lineset is frozen,accually will have ice on the line due to lack of insulation.could be a fix you could do without calling anyone!pull the black coating back together and duct tape the seem if it splitm or is torn.I still say you need a charge on it.You seem to have a refrigerant leak!I have 2 400 watt HPS lights and 1 265 cfm hydrofarm fan it will change the room temp in 5 minutes and drop th temp by 6 or so degrees.The size of your room makes alot of difference too.

Holla!
Ga Grown


This is what I was talking about.
There is no way that your house should be that hot with an AC going.

[sjacobs713]

the heat issue has been taken care of.. i just dropped my thermostat to the 60's, and it stays running basically 24/7 now, but the house is freezing cold, and the room is staying right at 90 degree's... sometime this week i am getting a bad ass squirrel cage fan, that is rated at 435 cfm, so hopefully that will drop it down a little bit more... but the temp thing has now been handled, just going to kill me on the electric....

i need to get my ladies back to being green and healthy~!!

[GaGrown]

blow some of that frezing air into the room or closet.

Ga Grown

[sjacobs713]

so one of my plants took a turn for the worse for some reason... she was doing semi-alright until this last watering, where she got 2 qts of water w/ sprinkles of epsom salt..
now each of her leaf's is burnt and she is basically lifeless.. :confused:
i DO NOT know what the hell is going on here... HOW DO I STOP THIS???
someone has to know something, i know that i am not the only one that has experienced this issue, PLEASE help me out here somebody..
my temperature issue has temporarily been resolved... stays at 90 in there all day, i kno it's still hot, but i read that it can still grow in that temp..
could it be the water i am using? it's straight out the sink, water i use to wash my face, brush my teeth.. ( so it's clean water )
maybe i should take lights to 18/6? they are growing so much right now though, i dont think that would do anything but slow them down and give the yellow infastation take over...
the ones that were able to get out of this rut that they're all caught in, and grow a little, are growing faster than the yellow sploges can take over... but eventually i start to see specks of yellow coming up..
on the stems of all of them, none are completely green.. some have purple stripes on the main stem, and some have purple stripes on secondary stems..
the leaf's that are burnt, look like someone took a lighter to the tips and just started to burn them all around... middle is still yellow/green, everywhere else around it it's a burnt grey/brown...
they have not been given any nutes except sprinkles of epsom salt in about 13 days... ( they were watered saturday w/ sprinkles of epsom salt. )
i really do appreciate all of everyones input, i got my temps down b/c of it! :D

[MegaOctane12]

Check this out http://www.geocities.com/nutrientproblems/ , what is your drainage like, do you have holes in the pot ? the soil, to me, looks very sticky and muddy, maybe the roots arn't getting enough oxygen or worse, are staved of it. This can also cause yellowing and brown patchs and cause leaves to die.

[daima]

:thumbsup:
alright , so since i have over nuted them and burnt them up, some of the plants are still yellow , and some have gone back to that nice green, but are losing bottom leaf's..
any idea's ?
last watering i fed them just water, superthrive, and sprinkles of epsom salt..
prior to that watering i had fed them small amounts of alaska fish emulsion ( 5-1-1 ), and that sent them to hell.. now they are recovering..
some have nice green leaf's, but the bottom leaf's are yellowing and then withering away, some are just like a neon green/yellow color, and some have red/purple stems...
temps are pretty hot in there right now, somewhere around 97...
1000w MH about 3 ft above them...
the 2 that are in bigger pots WERE once my biggest plants, but they were also the ones turning yellow and withering away the most, so i transplanted them into bigger pots.
plants have not had any nutes in about 12 days now..
anyone w/ some grows up under their belts, please advise me on what you would do in this situation...
i really appreciate your input..

thanks!
slim

Dont worry too much about the bottom of your plant. This area doesnt get much light anyhoot since you are growing inside. I usually cut the bottom branches of my plants, this way more of the plants energy is focused on the middle to the top of the plant, and you have better air circulation, which leads to less problems with pests, mildews, etc etc....
Good luck and dont forget to clone anything that looks promising and/or, is a favorite.:thumbsup:

dai*ma:stoned: sf ca 94110

[sjacobs713]

here's pics of what is going on in there.

i appreciate that site octane.. i definately think i have a nute issue going on, whether it be that they lack it or maybe have nute lockup..
not sure of what it is though, and do not know how to fix...


peace!
slim




i have read and read and read and read...
i just dont want to do the wrong thing and mess them up even more...

[sjacobs713]

hey daima for someone reason i am just now seeing your message...
so you DO cut off the bottom leaf's on your plants? I would really love to cut off all those yellow leaf's, i heard that it tremendously stress's the plant..??
anyone else have any experience w/ cutting the leaf's on a plant? the bottom ones on mine are extremely yellow and burnt for some reason, (as i am sure u can tell from pics )
i am definately going to make the drive to the hydro shop for...
digital ph meter, ph up/down, some nutes, and some sticky traps for insects.. can't think of anything else i may need, if u know of any good products that may help my girls come back 100%, PLEASE let me know of it..

thanks as always!
slim

[daima]

hey daima for someone reason i am just now seeing your message...
so you DO cut off the bottom leaf's on your plants? I would really love to cut off all those yellow leaf's, i heard that it tremendously stress's the plant..??
anyone else have any experience w/ cutting the leaf's on a plant? the bottom ones on mine are extremely yellow and burnt for some reason, (as i am sure u can tell from pics )
i am definately going to make the drive to the hydro shop for...
digital ph meter, ph up/down, some nutes, and some sticky traps for insects.. can't think of anything else i may need, if u know of any good products that may help my girls come back 100%, PLEASE let me know of it..

thanks as always!
slim

The stress that is introduced is very minimal and does not cause damage to the plant, or it's outcome. The cannabis plant is very very resilient. Yellow leaves no longer serve the plant any use.
When i cut my bottom branches i cut them at the begining of veg, and then again at the begining of the flowering stage, and then once more after about 3 weeeks into flowering, if needed. Since i grow inside i usually start flowering my plants when they are about14-18 inches high, doing around 25-38 plants at a time, depending. Everything i do i do from clone. No waste of time, light, soil, etc etc. I know what i am getting. No suprises with unwanted males/herms. No time/effort lost. Harvest wegiht, dried, is a little more than 2 lbs every 2.5 months.(time to buy bubble bags at this stage:thumbsup: )
When i encounter a pest problem(which is very rare due to keeping plants manicured, fan on, low heat), i go buy a dozen ladybugs. They will eat every pest in your grow room and leave no mess behind. I have used Neem Oil before but after discovering the wonders of predatory insects i am 100% pro-predator bug. Creating the outdoors indoors is the best way to go, IMO, of course. Wind, sun , food, all in the closet.

dai*ma sf ca 94110:stoned:

[sjacobs713]

daima, thanks man for the info.. i am going to chop off some of those bottom yellow leaf's today on one of my plants and see if she survives...

could all this yellowing be a disease that is spreading from one plant to the other?
if it were to be a disease what are the steps one would take to cure a plant of disease? i know cleaning the grow room w/ bleach and sanatizing everything, but how do you cure the plant?
reason i think it may be a disease that is going on in there is b/c on both of my plants that i have NEVER fed any type of nute other than sprinkles of epsom salt, and small drops of SuperThrive, they are now also getting a yellow pigment to them...
the leaf's on those ones are not dying/burning away like the other plants that did get fish emulsion, but they are yellowing...
i am starting to think that i may lose this entire grow b/c the yellowing is now making it's way to the top leaf's on my other plants, and burning the tips..
it was all on the bottom leaf's but now spreading upwards..