how long until...

[stangle12]

how long until a state decriminalizes cannibis fully. alaska doesnt count...nor is it legal there at the moment (they just passed a new law).

the current law is that pot is illegal because it has no currently accepted medical value. That's obviously changing...so when will it finaly be challanged, either in the supreem court, or at some state...

i think colorado could do it in november, or nevada. But dunno. Ill say another 4 years.

[Lethal G]

Hmm, good question. Honestly, I think it's going to be a long while before we ever see it legal anywhere here.

[newactivist]

It wouldn't be legal under any laws without SAFER, NORML and MPP. Send them some money and definitely your vote and representative letters. It reinforces success and is the most efficient way to kick the government in the balls on this issue.

[LIP]

I hope its a soon as possible. Now that the new studies are out, they might think about it more.

I mean, now we know that it doesnt cause any form of cancer in any living cell, and that people who smoke it are actually less likely to be depressed [And the government call it a depressant, shows how much they know..]

All we can do is hope that people finally realise were not the people they think we are, and that cannabis is one of the most important things we have in this world.

Think about this: People are going nuts about the logger's cutting down tree's in brazil and all the shizzle...

Well, if we used hemp to make paper its ready for harvest 120 days after planting, while tree's take years to fully mature, also hemp is a better, stronger paperm, AND we could use it for clothing...

The government shoot themselves in the foot every time they open their mouth.

[beachguy in thongs]

They still have to vote and the people, mostly, don't see these studies. That's where the we come in. Marijuana smokers are God's Angels.

[newactivist]

It's up to us to follow Jack Herer's example and educate people. He's the man!!!

[iamapatient]

how long until a state decriminalizes cannibis fully.
I assume you mean for adults, like booze, but I'm not sure we'll see that in the near future. I used to believe that rescheduling was possible in the short term but after reading this site, I'm no longer sure.

MMJ has a slightly better chance than full decrim partly because many "stoners" are our own worst nightmare. All that any anti-pot people have to do to ensure that mj stays illegal is to show other anti-mj people and politicians this website.

Doomed, I say, doomed... :(

[newactivist]

May I point out...

One, you're here. If it's such a screwed up site why are you posting on it?

Two, instead of complaining how this site is such a waste of time then do something useful. Look up MPP, Safer and NORML and give them your vote and maybe a donation. Even better, bring other people in on it too.

Nothing personal but we're all here to help free the weed, all for our own reasons but all of us unable to escape the logic and injustice of it all. Our best hope to acheive this goal is to join forces with other in organizations like these to pool our resources. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't have legal medical MJ in any state or city so obviously they are doing something right.

My 2 cents.

[beachguy in thongs]

My 2 cents.

They have a "smiley" for that, you know...

I don't think that it's possible to be doomed.

[notrightquite]

what the fuck is that?

[U4E uh]

I hope its a soon as possible. Now that the new studies are out, they might think about it more.

I mean, now we know that it doesnt cause any form of cancer in any living cell, and that people who smoke it are actually less likely to be depressed [And the government call it a depressant, shows how much they know..]



Actually, I've read that if a regular smoker quits for up to a week their peak of anxiety or depression will be reached. This could mean with legalization people wouldn't have to worry about the depression because it would be in stores. But, wouldn't that be considered addiction? Still though, I think MJ is a lot less harmless than tobacco or alcohol.

[iamapatient]

May I point out...

One, you're here. If it's such a screwed up site why are you posting on it?

Two, instead of complaining how this site is such a waste of time then do something useful. Look up MPP, Safer and NORML and give them your vote and maybe a donation. Even better, bring other people in on it too.

Nothing personal but we're all here to help free the weed, all for our own reasons but all of us unable to escape the logic and injustice of it all. Our best hope to acheive this goal is to join forces with other in organizations like these to pool our resources. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't have legal medical MJ in any state or city so obviously they are doing something right.

My 2 cents.
1) My being here or not has nothing to do with it being screwed up.
2) *I* never said this site was a waste of time, *you* did. I say it has problems, and, clearly, it does.

Nothing personal but idiots trying to "free the weed" is partly why it's still illegal. Many "potheads" (especially minors) are part of the problem, that's my point.

If that's your two cents, you have change coming.

[Kryzco]

Only time will tell

but we could always speed up the process if we work at it, and speak out

[newactivist]

Ok, iamapatient, when you are right you are right. You didn't say this site is screwed up. What you did do was call everyone here a pothead (insult us) and claim that all prohibitionists have to do is introduce legislators to this website to make them leave it illegal, thereby through connotation saying that this site is so wrong and perverse that they would be appalled and horrified by what we say and do here.

Since you're so much smarter than us (not so minor) "potheads" would you please feel free to point out to us losers what some of the "problems" with the site are?

If I had change coming I want the fool measure of your obviously overwhelming intellect.

[iamapatient]

Ok, iamapatient, when you are right you are right. You didn't say this site is screwed up. What you did do was call everyone here a pothead...

Since you're so much smarter than us (not so minor) "potheads" would you please feel free to point out to us losers what some of the "problems" with the site are?

If I had change coming I want the fool measure of your obviously overwhelming intellect.
Once again, *I* never said "everyone" here was a pothead (again, *YOU* did) but neither can you claim that there aren't any. You're batting zero so far. :rolleyes:

Some of the problems here are:
1) Minors
2) Hatemongers that drive away support with retarded rhetoric... (aka losers/potheads/anti-American/anti-Republican/liberals/socialists/etc)
3) Internet dealers
4) "Other" drug threads...

Hope that helps. I have my doubts.. :rolleyes:

[newactivist]

Ok, stoners. Same thing. The point is that even though everyone has their own morality and reasoning we all agree with the end of marijuana prohibition. I don't condone any drug use, I just feel the use of the law to curb it is creating more problems than it solves. I also feel that marijuana, ecstacy and other non-damaging and non-addictive drugs should not be illegal and that their being so is nothing but a consolidation of civil power into authoritarian hands. A manufactured and expensive fix for a manufactured problem, like our War on Terror. It has been true since Anslinger and the DEA still does it today to justify their power and budgets.

1) Minors- Will always come to or try the forbidden. Human nature has always done that. We usually grow out of it.

2) Hatemongers- They're everywhere. If you notice most of them get shot down here. Hard to take away freedom of speech though.

3) Internet dealers- Huh? nobody is stupid enough to sell drugs from this site! The only people who would purchase is cops, who are on this site in force, make no doubt. I guess they would also sell it here to catch what are probably young adults too inexperienced to see the trap, thereby giving them a criminal record for the rest of their lives.

4) Other drug threads- As long as marijuana is illegal it will continue to be lumped with more dangerous chemicals. Have you seen other threads, for Budweiser maybe?

Tell you what? You stick up for my freedoms and I'll stick up for yours. We can do that if we can stay civil with each other.

[iamapatient]

Ok, stoners. Same thing...

A manufactured and expensive fix for a manufactured problem, like our War on Terror. It has been true since Anslinger and the DEA still does it today to justify their power and budgets.

1) Minors- Will always come to or try the forbidden. Human nature has always done that. We usually grow out of it.

2) Hatemongers- They're everywhere. If you notice most of them get shot down here. Hard to take away freedom of speech though.

3) Internet dealers- Huh? nobody is stupid enough to sell drugs from this site! The only people who would purchase is cops, who are on this site in force, make no doubt. I guess they would also sell it here to catch what are probably young adults too inexperienced to see the trap, thereby giving them a criminal record for the rest of their lives.

4) Other drug threads- As long as marijuana is illegal it will continue to be lumped with more dangerous chemicals. Have you seen other threads, for Budweiser maybe?

Tell you what? You stick up for my freedoms and I'll stick up for yours. We can do that if we can stay civil with each other.
They may be the same but I never said "everyone" was a stoner either. I'm talking about the ones that give people a bad impression about those that use mj.

Execpt the WOT wasn't manufctured, it was just finally treated as a war instead of a crime problem. I'll remind you that Anslinger was a democrat, appointed by a democrat president who testified to a democrat controlled legislature who passed the mj tax act of 1937. It was a democrat controlled congress that wrote and passed the controlled substances act of 1970 with a veto-proof margin. More recently it was the liberal justices on the SCOTUS that voted against Raich. It's time that somkers understand that to win hearts and minds, to change the laws by rescheduling, the hate rhetoric has to go away.

1) The problem isn't that they come but that they're allowed to come. Condoning such behavour, with the excuse that they'll come anyway, is the same as dealing to kids in the eyes of our opponents. They should be banned, immediately. While they will come back at least we can point to a rule that says they're not welcome, mj is for adults only. All sales to minors should stop. If you sometimes smoke a j with a minor, STOP. Once minors are ostersized from the mj community, we show that we're indeed responsible users.

2) They don't have to be allowed to post their hate here. You haven't read the forums here, much, have you? Most of the threads are hate Bush/republican/America threads. I bet the anti-mj people are real impressed with hate spews (often aimed at them) on a mj site. Yeah, that'll win support. :rolleyes:

3) Again, read the forums...while it's not smart, whever said the members here were all smart? People get busted all of the time doing stupid stuff, it only reinforces the "pothead" stereotypes and drives away support.

4) Agian, just because it happens doesn't mean it should be tollerated. We need to change the image of mj users, not reinforce them. This is a mj site, there's no reason to go off topic with "other drug" threads. If you think that anti-mj ppl reading a thread, here, about how completely drunk some dumbass got last weekend doesn't hurt our image, you're mistaken.

Either you're part of the solution or your part of the problem. Unfortunately, *many* of the members here are part of the problem.

Really, you'd stick up for my Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Most of the liberals here wouldn't. Funny how that works, isn't it? They think they have rights that they don't and piss on real rights of others. What right(s), of yours, should I be sticking up for, that I'm not already sticking up for?

[Dutch Masta]

The problem with Marijuana has nothing to do with the health factors, whether they be good or bad. It has everything to do with the extreme difficulty when it comes to regulating its use, and the fact that there can never realistically be a forced termination of the growth (Cultivation) and sale (Drug Dealing) of Cannabis, which is what the cops are primarally after. You aren't seeing anyone in prisons for posession of a few baggies. They go for the source, the people growing it and selling it.

Once you understand this, it all makes a lot more sense.

[newactivist]

Well, I'm much more libertarian than liberal. I believe someones rights end where some elses begin and if people want to do things that are bad for themselves then if it doesn't hurt anyone else why not? If I go to a lot of sites I am finding a lot of anti American feelings right now. Duh. In case you haven't noticed we haven't been building much good will in the world lately. Just because people say something against our country doesn't mean I have to hate them for it even if I don't agree with them, which I am uncomfortably aware that they have some valid reasons.

Not everyone is smart and a wordsmith, here or at any other site you go to. Everyone has their own opinion. Everyone is the hero of their own story. I always feel people should word vomit on a regular basis to others that are free to shoot them down. This sets common rules of behavior and helps smooth out extreme behaviors. People vent online, where they are anonymous. Always have and always will. Usually doesn't really mean anything.

Like I said, young people will come to this website. They will go to dirty joke websites. They will go to porn websites. They are attracted to the forbidden. Drugs are forbidden, therefore they are curious. Like I said, the majority of them will move on and grow out of it.

"They think they have rights that they don't and piss on real rights of others." LOL! Don't we all? It's something we always have to watch out for. People will always react badly when you try to force your values on them and it's hard not to. We all have our own value systems. My value system finalized at don't tell me what to do and I won't make you.

iamapatient, mostly we seem to agree with each other. We differ on our judgement of proper behavior but otherwise... I'll support your right to bear arms and use medical marijuana or three way cream cheese upside down midget sex if that's your thing and the midgets are willing. I would appreciate it if you would support my right to do what I want in my home, such as smoking a joint instead of drinking a rum and coke. Sound good?

Dutch Masta, they are going to the source so that they can use property siezure laws invented for crack neighborhoods to grab their homes and other property. Laws that were intended to help crack neighborhoods have been subverted by the government to aquire property from marijuana growers, a drug which is far more widely used and massively less dangerous.

As for the law, as long as MJ is criminalized then even those people with a small baggy are going to have a drug possession on their record. These small time consumers account for most of the 700,000 plus yearly arrests for marijuana. A majority of these arrests are for young adults under 25, thereby creating a criminal record for them. It will show up any time they go to get a decent job and will limit the choices they can take in life.

I have a real problem with this, yeah. And I really do not care who knows it.

[Dutch Masta]

Dutch Masta, they are going to the source so that they can use property siezure laws invented for crack neighborhoods to grab their homes and other property. Laws that were intended to help crack neighborhoods have been subverted by the government to aquire property from marijuana growers, a drug which is far more widely used and massively less dangerous.

As for the law, as long as MJ is criminalized then even those people with a small baggy are going to have a drug possession on their record. These small time consumers account for most of the 700,000 plus yearly arrests for marijuana. A majority of these arrests are for young adults under 25, thereby creating a criminal record for them. It will show up any time they go to get a decent job and will limit the choices they can take in life.

I have a real problem with this, yeah. And I really do not care who knows it.

As do I. But there are still far too many uneducated people out there that are brainwashed into the belief that Marijuana is the root of all evil.. and of course, more realistically and importantly; a parents concern.

The birth of the internet has done incredible things when it comes to spreading information, and being that the vast majority of our nations youth are either completely familiar with, or dependant on the internet, it allows information to be spread to such an incredibly wide and impressionable audience.

I am a strong supporter of decriminalizing and rescheduling marijuana. As for complete or age restricted legality of marijuana though, I am strongly opposed.

[newactivist]

Ok, I'll buy that Dutch Master. I feel it should be legalized but I would settle for decriminalized. If it's decriminalized it could still be fined, which is a way for society to show it's displeasure and try to curb it's use without throwing people in jail and ruining their lives. Even it being illegal hasn't slowed me down so decriminalization won't either. I was just trying to bring the law into reality and get this revenue away from criminal organizations is all.

An added benefit is that cops would not only be able to focus on more dangerous drugs, but they could receive more support from people who already smoke weed in getting rid of crack, meth and heroin dealers. Those drugs don't do anyone any good.

[Dutch Masta]

Thats true indeed.

But of course theres always this.. if its decriminalized, drug dealers would laugh at any consequences, and at the fact that the worst that could happen for getting caught with a few ounces, is: "just a fine". Drug dealing would skyrocket. Marijuana has just set itself into society, influenced by it's "illegal" status, and I personally feel its just too late for it to be messed with.

Besides, at least I can be at ease when I'm a parent, and the worst my son is doing by breaking the law, is just smoking some pot.. and not getting into worse stuff. Kids are always going to have that attraction to what they can't or aren't supposed to have.. Take away pot, they'll go for something else.

[newactivist]

I see your point. However, if I may point out, drug dealers are already laughing at the consequences and are widespread already. There is no way for the number of weed dealers to skyrocket because the market is already saturated. It's the same with any market that already has a satisfied demand. Besides, ask your child. Anyone who has been to a school in the US for the last 30yrs know that schools are where a lot of the best drugs can be found. I can promise you there are at least 3-10 student dealers already in any school above the 7th grade. Used to be they just sold candy.....

Also, I understand that the worst your child would do is smoking some pot. As long as he doesn't get arrested then I agree that it wouldn't do too much harm. However, I feel we need to do more to focus LEO attention on the more dangerous drugs that harm everyone instead of relatively mild ones like weed.

The problem with decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana is that LEO would not have enough of a "threat" because compared to marijuana, the number of people using the more dangerous drugs are too small to justify their budgets and powers. This is why they focus so much on marijuana when there are clearly more dangerous drugs. It's a budgeting reality, a numbers game.

IMHO, we need to decriminalize/legalize just to bring the laws into reality. I also feel, however, that random school drug testing should be mandatory for all students nationally. I started smoking weed at 13 and, while I love weed, I wish I hadn't started so early. It does mess with a childs development and I do not feel it, or any drug, should be used before 18yrs old.

I know a lot of people here would disagree with mandatory school testing (my automatic knee-jerk reaction as well) and ordinarily I side with the less interference rule. However, children are children and they need to have adults do what's best for them. We're not their friends, we are their parents. Until they are old enough to make proper decisions then they should not be exposed to these potentially disrupting influences. With random testing, at least two or three a year, we can put a massive dent in gradeschool drug use. College and adult use should be entirely seperated from underage useage.

It's hard enough to be a child. No reason I see to dump more on them.