YELLOW F"ING LEAF'S!!! please help my ladies.

[sjacobs713]

:mad:
the leaf's are just getting worse and worse..
it seems like every day , every couple of hours the leaf's lose a shade of green and gain 2 shades of yellow..
i dont know what to do.. i did as much reading today at work that i could, ( they block some sites ), and from all that reading that i did, i think i came to the conclusion that it was the fish emulsion that i gave them..dont think that they needed it yet...
does anyone think that this can cause this.? ( the fish emulsion was 5-1-1 )

they're are a couple of other factors that can be causing this though as well..

***my temp does get pretty hot in there, but i really dont think that is it, i was reading a thread today, and it said that heat will just make your plants droopy...

***also my soil came w/ some perlite mixed in it already, but i did not mix it in.. maybe the roots are not getting enough oxygen? ( you can see in the pics the perlite that is already mixed in.. )
i was going to transplant into larger pots, but i really want to make sure that's the issue before i transplant.
dont have the space for bigger pots right now, but can make it if neccesarry, and didnt want to stress them anymore than they may already be..

i tested all 12 of my plants ph levels, and none were higher than 7.1 and none were lower than 6.5

**************** THIS IS SOMETHING I READ IN THE GROW BIBLE TODAY THAT MAKES ME THINK IT WAS THE FISH EMULSION :

Got a problem that you need to identify? If common sense
does not solve it then it sounds like you have a feeding problem and
want to know how to sort it out. Well this is what this chapter is all
about.
PLANT NUTRIENT / CHEMICAL PROBLEMS
AND HOWTO SOLVE THEM.
Before we begin we should tell you what a chemical burn is.
A chemical burn is what the plant suffers because of over-feeding. A
chemical burn can be compared to a half-smoked joint. At the tip of
the joint you have this shriveled gray ash, in the middle you have the
burn creeping towards new paper which leaves a pattern behind it, and
then you have the part you have not smoked yet. A plant burn looks
like this almost. The plant sucks up the water and the food. It
distributes these elements to the leaves at the bottom first and then
works its way up the plant. This process takes days to work as you
know FROM WATERING and WHEN TO WATER! The damage
starts at the tips of the leaf and slowly moves to the center of the leaf,
leaving behind it some crispy matter that flakes away between your
fingers. This is what a chemical burn looks like. A nutrient problem
does not look burnt. A nutrient problem looks like a cell collapse with
discoloration. The part may wither and die, but it should not look
burnt. That is major difference between a chemical burn and a nutrient
problem. In time you should be able to tell the difference for yourself.
Also check your pH. If your pH is not right, then solve the pH
problem before you go and do anything else.

[sjacobs713]

1 more pic....

[sjacobs713]

do they look small for 16 days old? i thought that they should be at least 1 ft by now?

[GrowinGreen23]

i don't see them to be all that bad bro, i mean are you added nutes to them if so what kind? do you have them in MG soil? hope not, next maybe it needs a little bit of nitrogen just a little bit with water, i kmnwo when my plants were getting bigger they then started to get a little more yellow leaf and such that nitrogen didn't fix i then found that a little Epsom salt is what was needed, see what others say don't just take what i say to heart, actually don't ever take one persons advice

GG23

[The Grim Reefer]

It's the fish emulsion.

[sjacobs713]

what up growingreen?
gave them some Alaska Fish Emulsion crap i bought at WalMart.. thought it be good b/c it had a higher nitrogen amount than anything else..
what is MG? if it is miracle grow, then no i stayed far far away from it.. heard a bunch of negative things....
but hey thanks for your input.. i was reading about that epson salt as well.. may give that a try pretty soon..
hey do you or anyone else know anything about Co2 tablets for fish aquariums, and if they are good to use w/ grow, or should i stay away from those as well?

[The Grim Reefer]

Another thing I'd like to mention, is get those plants in some pearlite if/when you can. 30% is what I'd recommend, that soil looks like it's going to eventually get really packed and caked together making her roots difficult to grow.

When a potting soil mix says there's pearlite added, there's more often than naught, hardly enough for our oxygen loving mary jane roots.

[sjacobs713]

the thing is about the soil, look at how little they are and how big of a pot that it..
if i transplant into a larger pot w/ soil and perlit mixed in, she will still be in the soil that she is in now, just surrounded w/ new soil..
do i need to dig around her and pull her out...
the link that you sent me Grim for transplanting, says that i transplant everything that is in the pot she is in now, but just into a bigger pot.. that wont get perlite to the roots right now, which is what she needs , right?
believe me i believe you that that could be the issue, i just want to make sure i got my game plan correct before i do the transplant..

[sjacobs713]

yeah since you last told me that i started to use perlite.. my other 2 new NL that sprouted last night, are now in soil mixed probobly more of 40 % perlite w/ the rest soil...
now i know..

[sjacobs713]

hey grim or anyone else..
other than flushing the lady, is there anything else i can do for her, to make her feel a little better?
today is my day to water, should i use just water or put some superthrive in it?
do i need to flush?
will mother nature take care of the over nute?

[GrowinGreen23]

damn i leave for a sec and everyone starts commenting, ha good stuff though, i meaure the salt into a poland spring bottle which is one pint i believe, i use 1/4 tsp of salt for every pint for you reference, don't over do it just a little bit is needed, after a day or so the next time you water give it a good amount so not salts build up aroudn the roots, the size for them is ok for now, like everyone said the bigger the pot the larger the root system can grow which is good, but be careful transplanting not to damage the roots, brig whatever dirt that sticks to the roots into the new pot with then plants, i mean you cna even wait alittle bit longer for that to be done, i never used fish emulsion so i can't really comment on that but the other option that i can think of is to flush them and start fresh with nutes and such. This is done by drenching the pot with pHed water and keep it draining out the bottom until everything runs clear. Then let it dry up a little and start fresh with pHed wtaer and your nitrogen and such. Hopefully some others will chime in here so you can get a little more input from some more experienced growers, let us all know how it works out i'll keep looking in here for your results

GG23

[SkunkMe1]

I think nothing is wrong with your plant, just give her plain botled ph balanced water on next three waterings. I had the same problem as you do, so im talking from experience and the help i got from alot of good growers around.... maybe these pic's will help

Here is my plant 16 days old ( i have almost all the pic's, so i found this one for you )
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Here is she now
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Hope it help's :thumbsup:

[LIP]

do they look small for 16 days old? i thought that they should be at least 1 ft by now?


You are extremely mis informed. Yes, they shouldnt be that small but no plant in the world can grow to a foot tall in 16 days from seed, no matter how many lumens, watts, even if it was growing ON the sun it wouldnt be that big.

[sjacobs713]

alright grim, since you agree w/ me that it is the fish emulsion i am going to hold off on the transplanting until they are a little bigger, dont want to cause any stress, just want the beauties to grow...
tomorrow after work going to run to hardware store and get some epson salt, and give them some of that ( small amounts )..

i am going to give them double the amount of water that i normally do, which is 2 qts...
it's not going to flush it, but hopefully help to drain some of that fish shit out..
should i use superthrive?
or just plain h2o?

that's the shit i used!!!!

[sjacobs713]

hey LIP do you have any advice for making them grow quicker..?
was reading up on Co2 tablets today, but the only ones that i can find are for aquariums.. you think they may help w/ growth?

[sjacobs713]

alright, so i woke up this morning to come and check on her, and found even more yellow...
now it looks like it's making it's way up to the small center leaf's..
if it continues like this and gets any worse on my lunch break i am going to go and buy some bigger buckets, and have to flush her out and transplant into larger bucket w/ some fresh soil and more perlite..
that's my biggest lady too, dont want to see her go...
the shitty thing though is that i gave ALL my plants that fish emulsion crap.. so they all have potential to turn like her...
on my big girl though i dropped like 2-3 drops of SUPERTHRIVE on the soil right next to the stem... hopefully i didnt mess up, and she likes it.!:o

if anyone else can think of anything that i should do for her, i would greatly appreciate it..
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i'm 95% sure i am going to have to flush and transplant though... i can see it getting worse little by little... i'm afraid the nutes may burn up the whole plant..

[sjacobs713]

forgot to put that now the top leaf on my big lady is crimpling up... if u look on the 1st pic on top, she's the one on the bottom... and the leaf that if crimpling up is the top leaf of that plant..
(2 orange toothpicks)

[Jdog7000]

Thats because they need food.
You need to be feeding them with that stuff all the time.
If you don't start feeding it. IT will use the nutrients in itself.

[sjacobs713]

so your saying that i need to be feeding them this stuff...
damnit.. i dont know what to do for them.. they are starting to get real weak, and the leaf's are starting to crimple together..
please help me someone... i need to know what to do.. i've heard so many different things, and why things are wrong w/ them..
tonight i am going to transplant them into some schultz indoor potting soil, and use some of that schultz rooting powder, and flush before transplant..
does anyone think that i should not do this.. can i harm them by doing this?
is there an easier way to care for them right now?

[Jdog7000]

I'm telling you to feed them. It takes more then one feeding to fix a plant.
But don't listen to me. ppl think they know what they are talking about. But some ppl don't. Most ppl here don't. Most ppl here are still learning. But still try to help. But really they are just confusing ppl. Believe me. That plant needs nitrogen!:thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

Jdog has quite a few grows under his belt, listen to him.

I didn't mean to mislead you in any way, I just know that when I first started out and didn't have any pearlite mixed in with my soil, my plants started yellowing, then purpling at the stem and then started getting a little "brittle".

I changed the medium they were in and they were as good as new.

Sorry again if I mis-informed you in any way ;)

[sjacobs713]

i'm going to go and get some new pots, and soil, and some of that schultz root powder, and transplant still.. but i will definately feed some more of that crap i guess..
are there any other products sold in Wal Mart of Home Depot that i can use to feed these little ladies right now, other than the fish emulsion?
should i use the fish stuff again? i just watered heavily yesterday, so is it ok to just put some fish emulsion on the ground?
i appreciate everything..

what do you think caused the leaf's to turn yellow JDOG? they were looking great before the feeding, and i think i fed them double what i should have..
was reading up on the fish emulsion today on some other boards, and they said to apply it to new first time plants ( mary jane plants ) at 1/4 what bottle said to give them, i gave them 1/2 what it said.. maybe more like 3/5 ....
should i transplant, or just leave them? i was really hoping to let them live their lives in those pots ( 1.5 gallon )

[Jdog7000]

Your going to have to transplant eventually.
I'd feed it more and get it healthier before the transplant. PLus transplanting isn't such a big deal.Get some grow nutes. High in nitrogen. Like a 20-10-20 mix
first # is nitrogen. Or feed with that fish stuff a little bit every watering. and flush every 2 weeks.

[sjacobs713]

what epsom salt?

[sjacobs713]

:confused:
i transplanted the lady, the one that was doing the worst ( my biggest one )...
transplant did not go to well, dirt broke up on my real bad, so i had to cut a hole in the bottome of the pot and try to force out the bottom..
was kinda hard b/c the top is bigger than the bottom, so i was almost forcing it through bottom.. hope she is ok..
she is not looking good at all.!!!!!!!
all of her leaf's are curling in!! some are even rotting away.. she is the 1st 2 pics, and the biggest pot on the right in the last pic...
fed her and all the other plants 1/4 tspn of epsom salt, 1/4 tspn of that fish shit, 3-4 drops of superthrive, and 2 qts of water for each..
alot of the water is in the dishes under the plants, leaked out..
all of my other plants are starting to get yellow leaf's as well now... i hope that i did not hurt them by giving them more fish shit!
anyways thanks everyone for everything, i hope it all works, and i really appreciate everyone!!!!

hey i have currently 10 plants that are all the same age ( this includes the one i have been having issues w/ ), and out of the 10, 5 of them their leaf's are shrivelling in... what's happening?
i hadn't watered in about 6 days....