Meet Your Meat

[GHoSToKeR]

I know vegetarians want people who eat meet to stop, and we're sick of it.. i know meat eats want vegetarians to stop telln us to eat meat.. i always thought i knew how badly animals were treated, but i still didnt stop eatin meat.. until i saw this.. many of you will probably ignore this, but please, go to this site, download the video, watch it, and make your own opinion... i just watched it and it made me physically sick, im not eatin meat anymore, fuck that.. peace

http://www.meetyourmeat.com/

[Ammie]

yuck!! :mad:

[Lulu]

because coming from a farming community I know what they're gonna show me.

Vegetarianism doesn't suit everybody - it's harder to eat a well balanced diet,
you've got to plan menus more and use more fresh produce, it's time
consuming and eating out can be boring as hell - standard vegetarian option
-Stir-fry - wow, how original :rolleyes:

But it works for me :) - I've been a vegetarian since the late 70's. I do occasionally eat seafood but no meat or meat products.

[GHoSToKeR]

hey lulu, ive been wanting to stop eating meat for a long time, but this video is the icing on the cake or the straw that broke the camels back, or whatever you wanna call it.. anyway, ive wanted to stop eating meat for a long time but i dont seem to have the will power.. and considering i still live at home its not me that buys the food.. any suggestions!?! thanks :)

[Lulu]

hey lulu, ive been wanting to stop eating meat for a long time, but this video is the icing on the cake or the straw that broke the camels back, or whatever you wanna call it.. anyway, ive wanted to stop eating meat for a long time but i dont seem to have the will power.. and considering i still live at home its not me that buys the food.. any suggestions!?! thanks :)
Buy a vegetarian cookbook, talk to your Mum bout cutting back on meat and meat products for a more healthy diet. Help plan and prepare meals - initially try to keep meat eating to 3 days out of 7. You can't just cut out a food group without looking for an alternative source. So do lots of reading up.
Don't hassle your Mum unnecessarily, it's her house and her food on the table so if she isn't into it you'll just have to wait til you're more independant. I'm sure if you lend a helping hand though, she'll be over the moon and more inclined to take you seriously.
Best of luck - don't become a fascist bout it ;)

[dog420]

Meat is loverly! I will never stop eating meat...infact im gunna go make a bacon n jack cheese sandwich....MMmmmmmmmm

Peace

[GHoSToKeR]

Buy a vegetarian cookbook, talk to your Mum bout cutting back on meat and meat products for a more healthy diet. Help plan and prepare meals - initially try to keep meat eating to 3 days out of 7. You can't just cut out a food group without looking for an alternative source. So do lots of reading up.
Don't hassle your Mum unnecessarily, it's her house and her food on the table so if she isn't into it you'll just have to wait til you're more independant. I'm sure if you lend a helping hand though, she'll be over the moon and more inclined to take you seriously.
Best of luck - don't become a fascist bout it ;)

thanks lulu :) my mums cool with it, she just doesnt really take me seriously, so i guess i should start doin my own shopping lol.. my bros been vegetarian since he was 15, and hes 26 now, so i'll take his advice too :D thanks

and dog, im not askin u to stop eating meat lol just to watch the video and then decide, it definately changed my mind :) peace guys

[Lulu]

Sorry, I meant to include this link in my previous post :o

http://ashycook.topcities.com/outsidelinks.htm

[dog420]

Naaa its ok ive seen animals killed b4 (a/ ive worked in a poultry factory b/ my aunt owns a pig farm and c/ ive been to a cattle slaughter house) i know the shit they all go through...but nothing in this world would stop me eating meat lol

So you would eat vegies that grow in the mud with all kinds of insects/maggots crawing all over them? lol its a dirty world we live in...but we still gotta eat.

But i see where your comming from ;)

Peace

[smokey]

lol i refuse to watch the video coz i love eating meat n i dont want to stop but i can imagine what its gonna be like. good luck in ur stoppin eatin meat i couldnt lol

[Omun]

I'll watch it as soon as I use my 1lb of beef I bought yesturday. I already don't eat pork, because I dont like the taste of it.

[clevemire]

Meat is loverly! I will never stop eating meat...infact im gunna go make a bacon n jack cheese sandwich....MMmmmmmmmm

PeaceAmen.

I've already seen it all and heard it all, including that link toker posted.
And I just don't care.
I love the taste of a fine pink steak.. or a greasy ass hamburger. Nothing will make me stop.
All you evangelist vegans can kiss my meaty ass. :D

[Euphoric]

vegetarians live 10 - 20 years longer and don't suffer from as much cancer, obesity and heart problems as meat eaters.
besides the simple fact that it's good for you, it's good for the planet! did you know that 70% of crops grown in the US are raised for the 25 billion animals we kill every year. and so much more... go to www.peta.org
ghost um..hmm..you might want to go to the grocery store more often maybe. those veggie burgers and all that veggie stuff can be really yum hehe :)

[kyle]

i think that video is a lil over exxagerated, ive seen some cruel shit but i think that is too much, i may be wrong, i think its awful if that really happens, cuz holy shit, i try not to eat much meat, and wen i live on my own ill eat even less, but ill never fully stop, cuz i just love a cheeseburger, but that has to be over exxagerated, im sure some people are that cruel, but not everyone can be, its a wiked fucking world, neway i sent it to some friends, its definately something people should see and make there own opinions on

[kyle]

lol euphoric, if that kinda shit really goes on, im not sure i wanan live another 10-20 years, and eating poulty or fish once in a while is extremely nutricious for you, even a bit of beef is good for you, its just meat has been manupilated so much that its mixed with cheese grease and other kidna of meat, thrown onto a crusty bun and sold for insane prices, which i do occasionaly pay, like i said i dont eat much meat, but i do occasionly indulge and i always will

[apsinthion]

I had ago at being a vegetarian it lasted about 6 mounths and then I just started to feel sick all the time lol, also I found the diet to be a bit repetitive. Anyway if you can keep it up then good luck to ya!

P.s.... You know the smell you get when you open up a lunch box, well that is how your fart's will smell :D

[SativaTrip]

ummmmmm does anybody know that when we started eating meat that our brains started to grow to near where they are today and if we never had started eating meat that we would all still be monkies.....even though i must admit i still have a lot iof monkey tendancies......seriuosley though i was watching a show on the History channel or Discovery and they were talking about human evolution and when we started hunting and eating meat....we evovled at quite a bit faster rate......
I think really that if you want to eat meat yu should be willing to kill and gut the animal yourself or have had done that before.....i think hunting is a seriously natural instinct...it's why we think scaring the shit out of a friend is funny...because hey we might need to eat them too lmao just kidding.......................
i think people should eat whatever they want...fuck what everyone says either way jsut don't be a fuckin pig about it.lol The basic point of this whole shit is..what would you do if you were all the sudden alone in a huge forrest and had to survive on the land...what would you then eat...if you are an extremist vegan and you don't want to eat any meat ...then chances are that you will eat a poisoniss plant by accident and you will die a horrible death....unless that is..you can decern between millions of plant species..most of which are poisonous to humans...so good thinkin....and if you only eat meat (while you are stuck in the forrest...you will have to cook it to stave off any weird diseases. and what if it rains for four days or somethin.....hope you have good shelter building skills... balh blah blah...

[natureboyliam]

I understand how some animals are mis-treated and some meat is very badly handled but it's part of our nature to eat meat. Cutting meat out of your diet can cause many health problems if you don't know what your doing, especially for males. Pretty much everything we consume is filthy anyway. I smoke mainly hash and 90% of that is probably contaminated. Dog eat dog world.

[bigdaddy420]

If someone chooses to be a vegan that's fine with me, but as for me personally, I didn't climb the food chain to eat just lettuce and carrots.

[KillaBuzz]

yah fuck it, id watch but i kno ima b thinkin bout wut sick shit'z in that link when im divin into my steak 2nyte, an thatz not good fer anybody.
PeAcE

[GHoSToKeR]

fuck

went to post sumn but changed my mind.. now i cant delete it so i guess i gotta say something LOL errrrrr ummmm Lucky Charms are nice

[Euphoric]

roflmao

[Omun]

so ghostoker, how long you gonna stay in hell's kitchen cooking that steak then?

[LearyS Disciple]

monkeys dont eat meat and have u ever heard of a monkey with a headache? no

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

well i didnt download the video was gonna take too long but i watched the thing on the pigs and turkeys, and well it doesnt bother me like i feel really weird cuz it just isnt sad to watch those turkeys get beat and stuff... i mean maybe if like ppl were gettin treated like that but i think all animals are just more inferior to us so ya.. im dumb and i havent smoked all day so who knows wtf im talking about aynways... haha omun nice thing about ghosts location haha

[GHoSToKeR]

so ghostoker, how long you gonna stay in hell's kitchen cooking that steak then?
LOL shit...... its a errr veggie steak :confused: :o

[Nugs4Me]

Even though they're going to die anyways we shouldn't be that cruel... Damn, only if the pigs, chickens, turkeys and cows could have their revenge :D

That would suck not to ever be able to move or turn around.... damn...

Well I got to go, going to make some bacon rofl :D

[smokeysbaby]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm got beef??? :D:D:D

[bigdaddy420]

I think that little old lady from the Wendy's commercial during the '80's said it best when she said "Where's the Beef?"

[Euphoric]

its your choice, but how would you feel if you happened to of been born one of these slaughterhouse animals? they don't have a choice and they are just as sensitive to pain as we are... :(

"A society can be judged by the way it treats its animals." - Ghandi

[KronicKing]

watchin that video has changed my mind about eating many meats but i am a avid hunter though all my shots are head shots quike and painleass with no waste of anything but the bones and other non-eddables so i can eat any thing from a deer and i will contiue to eat fish and other seafood if more people would atleast limit their meat consumtion we could cut down on such horrible behavior and as for peta the lie as much as the cattle companys they're all in it for the money people should be more like me and not care about money =P i could go on for hours and if some1 says the wrong thing i may =P but for now i wont go on with my ranting ghost,why cant more people be like you? laid back intellagent stoner gotta luv em =P

[sawleaf]

monkeys dont eat meat and have u ever heard of a monkey with a headache? no

Chimpanzees eat meat. They eat monkeys. If a monkey had a headache how would he tell a scientist he had one and needed asprin?????

[sawleaf]

Animals eat vegetables and I eat animals. I get my veggies from them
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[GHoSToKeR]

ghost,why cant more people be like you? laid back intellagent stoner gotta luv em =P
awww does king have a little crush on ghost? LOL
just kiddin man

anywayz im not tryin to get any of u to change how u think or how u eat, so dont take it the wrong way.. i was just showin the vid for anyone who cares

peace :)

[Omun]

Well if you don't want to become a total vegitairian or vegan; you can at least help bring down factory farming. http://www.themeatrix.com/

[Euphoric]

hey i was going to post the meatrix link up here but you beat me to it Omun..nice. So instead i'll post this one of a very hungry president about to eat his dog, naturally.

[Euphoric]

i think every vegetarian saves about 80 animals every year. i might be off 10 - 15 animals but it's still a lot! :)

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

they dont save any animals how do they save them? the places still produce just as much meat and kill just as many animals imo vegertians are kinda pointless i mean other then for themselves

[Euphoric]

um..true..but..still...thats 80 animals you took no part in abusing (to the point of madness) and eating! thats gotta be worth something :) :)

[apsinthion]

It's a sad thing that an animal is forced into the world purely to be killed for meat.

Maybe I'll have a stab at being a vegitarian again soon.

If anyone has any good veggie recipie sites then I'd be greatful.

[Euphoric]

links you say!?

recipes:

http://vegetarian.allrecipes.com//
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/vegetables/vegetarian/
http://www.vegcountry.com/recipes.html

free vegetarian starter kit:

http://www.vegetarianstarterkit.com/


hehe now im hungry

[kiwi]

:rolleyes: Well I too am a meat eater but instead of buying meat in a shop we raise all our own products for eating. We kill our own pigs, cows, sheep etc and there is no way on earth we would put these animals though all that nasty bullshit.
As my hubby says if you stress the animal it will show in the end product. I was not into this to start with but over time I have realised that the way we do it is humane and the animal is well looked after. My hubby won't kill anything unless it is to provide food for the family, and our meat is only used for the purpose.

[Euphoric]

hats off to you kiwi! :)

[apsinthion]

Thanks for the link's Euphoric! :)

First time I tryed I was pretty much living on Quorn ham lol. :D

[High phy]

An alternative to be a Vegan you can eat cheese, milk, yogurts and the like. Also if you go entomofagian you get a lot of proteins. And usually ppl dont abuse seafood before killing it (I think:p). So you can give up meat of mistreated animals without having to hate what you eat. I support your efforts.

[beachguy in thongs]

Yeah, that's funny. Those animals were breed to be slaughtered. Chickens are the first to undergo the harsh reality of animal slaughtering.

It's an animal farm, where they raise food. Not care bears. That's video was so funny, yet SHOCKING!

[GHoSToKeR]

Ya, but the point isn't that animals shouldn't be slaughtered like that in slaughter houses, it's that slaughter houses like that shouldn't exist.

That's like, if I was to say "Nazis shouldn't have killed the Jews in those concentration camps" and you replying "yeah, but that's what the concentration camps were for".

[sMOkeY bOB]

i dont like the killin side of meat but then agen its there bein bred for us to eat but i worked in a chicken farm for a day shuvlin chicken shit and wat i seen jus all da animals in cages n shit nearly put me off chicken but it tastes too good, if ur a vegen go u vegie heds, but leeve us mungrel meat eaters to enjoy dat juicy ass steak

[meloncoly]

I was more disturbed by the hell on chinese fur farms, being skinned alive etc, I did find the meet your meat video upsetting, but I could never stop eating meat, the first time I saw this video it wasn't narrated, and had some sad "free me" song playing in the background, so it wasn't explaining the runt turkeys were being killed off etc, so actually watching the commentated one made me feel a bit better.

[beachguy in thongs]

Ya, but the point isn't that animals shouldn't be slaughtered like that in slaughter houses, it's that slaughter houses like that shouldn't exist.

That's like, if I was to say "Nazis shouldn't have killed the Jews in those concentration camps" and you replying "yeah, but that's what the concentration camps were for".

So, we'll stop splicing genes and creating fat chickens for eating purposes. I know a guy who owns a slaughter "shed". Actually, I don't, but maybe they should start calling them "slaughter sheds" to ease your soul, STOKER.

How can you compare Jews to livestock? Or Hitler to Farmer Joe?

[death of sXe]

So, we'll stop splicing genes and creating fat chickens for eating purposes. I know a guy who owns a slaughter "shed". Actually, I don't, but maybe they should start calling them "slaughter sheds" to ease your soul, STOKER.

How can you compare Jews to livestock? Or Hitler to Farmer Joe?

just admit youre wrong. these riduculous justifications simply make you look like a fool in thongs. :cool:

[beachguy in thongs]

OKAY, LAME ASS, USE MY NAME AS A FALL BACK WHEN YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY. Go ahead, I give you permission.

[beachguy in thongs]

Go ahead and change the world to vegetarians. See how it will end humanity.

[beachguy in thongs]

Natural selection can be subdivided into two types: (i) ecological selection, which arises from the portion of an organism's environment not related to direct sexual competition (such as the availability of food, the presence of predators, and so forth).

[Edgar]

Natural selection has become very different for many humans. We arn't like other animals anymore. We've made civilization for ourselves and that imposes new requirements on us and changes the requirements we've had in the past. Keeping up with the demand for food has become a relatively minor issue for industrialized nations, (most of us have too much food) so trying to use natural selection for the justification of the inhumane slaughter of countless animals is just stupid. (in industrialized nations, I know poorer nations need the meat.) In time we will be able to massproduce cellular protein and we will no longer need animals to satisfy ourselves.

Tell me, how much difference is their between animal babies and human babies? (aside from than the obvious physical characteristics.) A human baby has the potential to become a full grown rational human being, that's the main difference, (human babies and animals can certainly suffer at the same level) but while they're still babies, their minds are similar to animal minds. So if babies couldn't become full grown rational humans, like a retarded baby couldn't, should that baby be used for food? Should we eat all retarded babies because they are dumb like animals and because they taste good? (or so I've heard ;) )

[beachguy in thongs]

The point is that you don't kill babies.

[Edgar]

(aside from than the obvious physical characteristics.)

Edit: Get that than out of there.

[Edgar]

So we should wait 'til the retards grow up and then we can eat them?

[beachguy in thongs]

LOL, maybe. j/k

[Reefer Rogue]

Wtf Edgar? :eek: Chill about talking about eating retarded babies...

I'd like to quote something from the movie: 'If you consume milk you fund the vegan industry.' But i gotta have milk for me lucky charms :D

[Edgar]

Wtf Edgar? Chill about talking about eating retarded babies...


I will not.

Retards are like animals to me, so i believe eating animals is just as deplorable as eating retards.

[beachguy in thongs]

Then raising animals, for food, would become obsolete.

[NightProwler]

im not watching that video if its gonna turn me into a skinny vegitarian!

[Edgar]

Barring a major catastrophe, i do believe raising animals for food will eventually become obsolete. I believe we will be able to genetically engineer and massproduce mindless meat.

[beachguy in thongs]

Barring a major catastrophe, i do believe raising animals for food will eventually become obsolete. I believe we will be able to genetically engineer and massproduce mindless meat.

What a world that would be. One pill and you enjoy all the great tastes of steak.

[Canadabis]

Im a vegetarian, been for a long time, but I dont tell people to stop eating meat.
I could care less :p
Only thing that concerns me is massive damage to the environment caused by mechanised farming.

[TonyD]

People are meant to eat meat its an essential part of our diet, not attacking any vegetarians your choice but you are missing out.

Also that video was pretty tame anybody really affected by that must be easily influenced.

[death of sXe]

^^YOURE JUST DESENSITIZED AND VOID OF COMPASSION, Tony D
Vegetarian diets are more nutrious. Plus we dont have to worry about cancer and all that fatal bacteria that contaminates meat.

PWNED.

[beachguy in thongs]

hOW MUch Protein does a salad have?

SXE's death:
"Plus we dont have to worry about cancer"

Obviously, you're missing the point of Cancer.

[Edgar]

how much does tofu have?

[GHoSToKeR]

First of all, NightProwler. I've been a vegetarian for a year or so and trust me, i'm not skinny yet! +lol+

Edgar, awesome post.

TonyD, as ermitonto has stated before, people aren't meant to do anything except eat, sleep, shit, and fuck. It is not human instinct to brutally murder thousands of innocent, defenceless animals every day.

beachguy, again your arguments are not making sense. And i'm comparing animals to Jewish people, you idiot. I was making the comparison to highlight the obsurdity of your previous statement. But, people do need to stop thinking that one form of life (for example, humans) is superior to any other form of life (animals).

And tell me.. how the fuck can vegetarianism end humanity? You're starting to sound like a Republican.

[death of sXe]

hOW MUch Protein does a salad have?

SXE's death:
"Plus we dont have to worry about cancer"

Obviously, you're missing the point of Cancer.

really, whats the point of cancer?

as for your "argument" about us not getting proper protein..time to show you how wrong you are yet again. this is tooo easy.

Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to Food and Nutrition Board of the U.S.D.A.: 6%
Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to National Research Council: 8%
Percentage of calories as protein in wheat: 17%
Percentage of calories as protein in broccoli: 45%
Percentage of calories as protein in rice: 8%

wait for it...



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PWNED

[GHoSToKeR]

beachguy, just stop, man. You're posts are either downright ridiculous or just don't make any sense at all. Do us all a favour and stop trying to justify something you probably don't even give a shit about.

[smokingskeleton]

i was gunna say something really good, but i cant be arsed to type it...

[Ousted]

I think it would be very exhausting being a vegetarian. It would be so hard to try to stay on top of not coming off like a hypocrite on a daily basis especially if your reasons for being a vegetarian or vegan are more on a moral basis. If its for enovironment reasons then you probably will have to be careful with everything you do environment-wise or people are gonna give you that look, that "you fucking hypocrite" look. Which may not matter to some people, but the pro's of eating carrots over steak aren't worth me being considered, and in fact 'being' a hypocrite. And I know I would be a hypocrite and judge myself as one, being a vegetarian wouldn't be worth that label from others or myself.

Also, it is not some established health fact like some seem to be arguing that eating vegetarian is good for you. Many physicians and medical leaders argue that the vegatarian/vegan lifestyle can be an unhealthy diet especially if you are not taking the vitamins you should be taking on that kind of diet plan, and believe their patients who have that kind of diet have more medical complaints than those with a more balanced diet.

Also, someone mentioned (I forget who and am too lazy to check since the thread is so long now) that we shouldn't see ourselves as superior to animals, so therefore shouldn't eat them. So if we're not superior to animals then wouldn't it be fair to say that animals aren't superior to plants? Using the same logic...Plants dont have a voice either and are living creatures which some have argued feel pain...

Sounding silly yet?

I may not consider myself as more important than others, but I am more important than plants and animals, and I feel that my desire to eat them gives them purpose they otherwise wouldn't have.

Animals are nummy nums. Especially cow. I love cow. Enjoy the pic.
:)

[GHoSToKeR]

In your eyes you're more important, Ousted, but I don't think in general human's are any more important than any other living creature. I don't believe plants come in to the equation - they're not sentient beings. Humans are just lucky to have become the dominant species.. but that doesn't mean we're more important. More intelligent, maybe, but not more important. If intelligence is a sign of importance than, like Edgar said, why not eat retarded kids? If they're less important than why the fuck not?

Sounding silly yet? :D

Being a vegetarian is simply a lifestyle choice. I choose not to contribute to the slaughter and torture of animals for meat. You can make whatever claim you want about animals dying as a result of farming vegetables, but I can't help that.

But I can make a difference, or even just a statement, by doing the least I can do, which is to not eat meat.

[Ousted]

In your eyes you're more important, Ousted,

In society's as well. Animals dont have the ability to determine who or what is important.


but I don't think in general human's are any more important than any other living creature.

You're right, our right to live is no more important than any other living creatures right in the grand scheme of things, though who would make that determination, really? But as far as my finding myself, my species, and my appetite as being more important than some animals, I sure as heck do.


I don't believe plants come in to the equation - they're not sentient beings.

Some argue otherwise, but who makes the distinction? And what makes your distinction the correct one?


Humans are just lucky to have become the dominant species..
but that doesn't mean we're more important.

Actually, we have come this far because we believe ourselves to be more important.



If intelligence is a sign of importance than, like Edgar said, why not eat retarded kids? If they're less important than why the fuck not?

Shit is less important than me, but you dont see me eating shit.


Sounding silly yet? :D

A little bit, but hey. :)


eing a vegetarian is simply a lifestyle choice. I choose not to contribute to the slaughter and torture of animals for meat. You can make whatever claim you want about animals dying as a result of farming vegetables, but I can't help that.

You know there are places that are humane that raise animals for slaughter that there sole purpose is to provide an alternative to those places that cram animals in tight confined spaces, and do god knows what to them during their life to get their meat to ya. More expensive meat, but probably choosing to eat animals raised in those kinds of humane conditions would support your cause more than not eating meat altogether.


But I can make a difference, or even just a statement, by doing the least I can do, which is to not eat meat.

I think its great that you really believe in this and want to make a difference. I just think you would make more of a difference supporting organizations that concetrate soley on the humane treatment of animals, then washing your hands of it entirely, and making yourself miserable by eliminating a very important and essential part of your diet. And whether you believe it or not, you are a carnivore, not an herbivore, even if you never eat meat again. Those kinds of places need passionate people like you to support them. Its hard to compete with the slaughterhouses that get consumers very affordable meat at a high price to the animals which, frankly as a whole, people really arent that concerned over.

[Edgar]

I think it would be very exhausting being a vegetarian. It would be so hard to try to stay on top of not coming off like a hypocrite on a daily basis especially if your reasons for being a vegetarian or vegan are more on a moral basis. If its for enovironment reasons then you probably will have to be careful with everything you do environment-wise or people are gonna give you that look, that "you fucking hypocrite" look. Which may not matter to some people, but the pro's of eating carrots over steak aren't worth me being considered, and in fact 'being' a hypocrite. And I know I would be a hypocrite and judge myself as one, being a vegetarian wouldn't be worth that label from others or myself.

Also, it is not some established health fact like some seem to be arguing that eating vegetarian is good for you. Many physicians and medical leaders argue that the vegatarian/vegan lifestyle can be an unhealthy diet especially if you are not taking the vitamins you should be taking on that kind of diet plan, and believe their patients who have that kind of diet have more medical complaints than those with a more balanced diet.

Also, someone mentioned (I forget who and am too lazy to check since the thread is so long now) that we shouldn't see ourselves as superior to animals, so therefore shouldn't eat them. So if we're not superior to animals then wouldn't it be fair to say that animals aren't superior to plants? Using the same logic...Plants dont have a voice either and are living creatures which some have argued feel pain...

Sounding silly yet?

I may not consider myself as more important than others, but I am more important than plants and animals, and I feel that my desire to eat them gives them purpose they otherwise wouldn't have.

Animals are nummy nums. Especially cow. I love cow. Enjoy the pic.



Look, I know animals can suffer and I dont know that about plants. Besides, the point is for me, just this; to reduce the amount of suffering that occurs in the world and that goal is easily accomplished even if one is occasionally a hypocrite.

Do what you want, but saying you woudn't want to be a vegetarian because it's hard, or because you really, really like meat, or because you dont want to be seen as a hypocrite if you occasionally eat meat, well, that doesn't seem very moral to me. You'd have to first shrug off the suffering like it was nothing. Say, Oh it's not happening to me or my kind, so why should i care? If you were to truly rationalize the situation, you'd see plain as day that you contribute in a big way to the suffering of other sentient beings and that it would be a simple thing to cut down on the amount of suffering you contribute to. I think you should care more. I think I should care more, but unfortunately i'm becoming more and more desensitized.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (paraphrased)

Oh and I'd be willing to bet that something like 90 percent or more people on this earth are hypocrites in one way or another, whether they know it or not.

By the way eating meat is not necessary in this day in age for the likes of us, all that is needed can be supplemented.

And guess what? I'm a hypocrite! I eat meat. I know it's wrong, and i still do it. I've cut down, and i was a vegetarian for about 12 years, but i still eat meat on occasion.

[GHoSToKeR]

In society's as well. Animals dont have the ability to determine who or what is important. Exactly. Humans have determinded that humans are the most important race. Funny that. Do you really think that humans as a whole would ever think anything different? It's the same concept as GW Bush deciding that America is the only nation stable enough to have nuclear weapons...

You're right, our right to live is no more important than any other living creatures right in the grand scheme of things, though who would make that determination, really? But as far as my finding myself, my species, and my appetite as being more important than some animals, I sure as heck do. That's fair enough.. but you know the suffering that these animals go through. surely you can change your diet, just as I and many others have, to help stop this? It's not much of a sacrifice.. yet again, if you don't give a shit then I guess it is. That's all it comes down to at the end of the day; giving a shit or not giving a shit.

Some argue otherwise, but who makes the distinction? And what makes your distinction the correct one? I don't know.. but like Edgar said I know for a fact that animals suffer, where as I don't know whether plants suffer or not, and as far as i'm aware they don't. That's the only distinction I can make.

Actually, we have come this far because we believe ourselves to be more important. How so?

Shit is less important than me, but you dont see me eating shit. So, even if animals are less important, why is it okay to treat them as we do? To murder them because we can't be assed to change our diet..

A little bit, but hey. :) Hey, we're all a little bit silly sometimes.. :p

You know there are places that are humane that raise animals for slaughter that there sole purpose is to provide an alternative to those places that cram animals in tight confined spaces, and do god knows what to them during their life to get their meat to ya. More expensive meat, but probably choosing to eat animals raised in those kinds of humane conditions would support your cause more than not eating meat altogether.
I don't agree. I don't believe that humans should be killing other animals. We make the claim that it's okay because we're more important than them, more intelligent, more advanced. But people also say that it's okay to eat animals because we're naturally carnivores and other animals eat meat.

So which is it? Are we better than animals and therefore capable of showing compassion and sympathy for creatures who are defenceless against us, or are we animals ourselves? If so then we aren't any more important, just more advanced.


I think its great that you really believe in this and want to make a difference. I just think you would make more of a difference supporting organizations that concetrate soley on the humane treatment of animals, then washing your hands of it entirely, and making yourself miserable by eliminating a very important and essential part of your diet. And whether you believe it or not, you are a carnivore, not an herbivore, even if you never eat meat again. Those kinds of places need passionate people like you to support them. Its hard to compete with the slaughterhouses that get consumers very affordable meat at a high price to the animals which, frankly as a whole, people really arent that concerned over.
I'm not miserable. What makes you think that? Cutting meat out of my diet was hard because humans are lazy and we grow accustomed to things pretty easily, but since then i've never felt healthier (apart from my health problems at the moment.. +lol+ but that's unrelated). I don't see how it would help if I started eating meat again? How am I not helping animals to stop being killed? And how would eating animals again help?

[Ousted]

Do what you want, but saying you woudn't want to be a vegetarian because it's hard, or because you really, really like meat, or because you dont want to be seen as a hypocrite if you occasionally eat meat, well, that doesn't seem very moral to me.

Its not a moral decision for me. Its one for you. And I didnt say that you would be seen as a hypocrite for occassionally indulging, you will be seen as a hypocrite for anything and everything that could be possibly associated with animal cruelty, and then held accountable for that because you have made your decision a moral one, and therefore put your morality on display and made something that isnt generally a moral decision for most, something thats moral. Which, coincidentally, you have also made those that dont agree with your not eating meat logic as beings that are immoral. People dont like to be labeled as immoral, especially by vegetarians.


You'd have to first shrug off the suffering like it was nothing. Say, Oh it's not happening to me or my kind, so why should i care?

I guess we think differently. I think you humanize animals, whereas I see them as just animals who serve a purpose. Do I believe they feel physical pain? Sure. Do I believe they feel betrayed, disappointed, taken advantage of, abused or tortured? No.
Frankly, there are much more important issues I'll get worked up about before I start worrying about some animals suffering or whether or not animals have emotional feelings similar to those of humans.


If you were to truly rationalize the situation, you'd see plain as day that you contribute in a big way to the suffering of other sentient beings and that it would be a simple thing to cut down on the amount of suffering you contribute to. I think you should care more. I think I should care more, but unfortunately i'm becoming more and more desensitized.

Well, at least you live in a country where you can make a choice to not eat meat based on moral objection.



Oh and I'd be willing to bet that something like 90 percent or more people on this earth are hypocrites in one way or another, whether they know it or not.

I completely agree.




And guess what? I'm a hypocrite! I eat meat. I know it's wrong, and i still do it. I've cut down, and i was a vegetarian for about 12 years, but i still eat meat on occasion.

Its not wrong to eat meat. Its been made wrong in your own head because you have leveled yourself with animals.



Exactly. Humans have determinded that humans are the most important race. Funny that. Do you really think that humans as a whole would ever think anything different?

Yes, we have determined we are more important than animals because we all know if it came down to it, we would sacrifice the animals to save ourselves. And you know we would, and that we should...if it really came down to it. ;)

Im all for being humble and aware of man's arrogance, but there is definitely a line, and I will not ever agree that animals are of equal importance to myself or my fellow man.


That's fair enough.. but you know the suffering that these animals go through. surely you can change your diet, just as I and many others have, to help stop this? It's not much of a sacrifice.. yet again, if you don't give a shit then I guess it is. That's all it comes down to at the end of the day; giving a shit or not giving a shit.

Ive given up meat before because I thought eating vegetarian might help shed some pounds, and it was a miserable experience. I do choose my happiness over that of an animals. Sorry.



I don't know.. but like Edgar said I know for a fact that animals suffer, where as I don't know whether plants suffer or not, and as far as i'm aware they don't. That's the only distinction I can make.

You know animals feel and recognize pain, but you dont know if they suffer. Emotional pain is a far worse pain than that of just physical pain, and you cant make the call on whether animals do feel emotional suffering from physical pain or not. Emotional suffering like a feeling of being wronged, manipulated, degraded. Not just ouch! or no ouches, which given animals intelligence is probably all they can determine. I cant really make that distinction to others either, and Im not going to pretend to and then imply some moral objection based on my own distinctions.


ousted: Actually, we have come this far because we believe ourselves to be more important.

How so?

Survival of the fittest. We didnt get to this point because we exercised our ability to be empathetic. We never would have survived if we didnt outsmart creatures, and believe ourselves to be above them in every way.



So, even if animals are less important, why is it okay to treat them as we do? To murder them because we can't be assed to change our diet..

We can be asked to change our diet, but why be surprised when people dont? Again, vegetarians and alike have made this a moral issue for themselves, and its foolish to put your moralities on other people, and then be surprised that they aren't interested, or dont find it as important or serious as you do.



So which is it? Are we better than animals and therefore capable of showing compassion and sympathy for creatures who are defenceless against us, or are we animals ourselves? If so then we aren't any more important, just more advanced.

I dont really understand your question. I believe us to be more important than animals because we are capable of emotion and because I find our species to be superior to all others, and I also believe in eating animals. :confused:



I'm not miserable. What makes you think that?

Just an assumption, which was wrong of me to make, I admit. ;)


Cutting meat out of my diet was hard because humans are lazy and we grow accustomed to things pretty easily, but since then i've never felt healthier (apart from my health problems at the moment.. +lol+ but that's unrelated). I don't see how it would help if I started eating meat again? How am I not helping animals to stop being killed? And how would eating animals again help?

Im sure you are helping to some very small degree, however insignificant of a difference you may be making Im sure your efforts are very much appreciated by those who feel the same as you do.

[Edgar]

I'm not humanizing anything, animals are very much like us, that is a fact. Whether they can feel emotional pain or not, (and i suspect they do to some degree) if somebody starts tearing them to pieces while they are still alive, i guarantee they are suffering and not just in a emotional way. You say animals serve a purpose and from what i gather, apperently you think that purpose is to be food and/or slaves. Does that include us? If some being from outer space decided that it was far more advanced than you and just for the sake of debate, lets say you even agree that it is more advanced than you, does that give it the right to kill and eat you and yours? After all, you would be serving a purpose.



Yes I believe that living off the suffering of other sentient beings is wrong if it's not required, that's one of my core beliefs. Therefore i recognize that I am a sinner and dont try to tell me otherwise. I dont base my beliefs on fairy tales or whims, i base them on science, experience, and observation. I know other animals and people are much alike, and based on that knowledge, I know that there is a good chance that humans and other animals feel many of the same things. What do you base your beliefs on? You believe it's not wrong to kill animals and eat them even if we dont need to eat them? Why? Why is it not wrong? I've given a few reasons why i believe what i believe, but you have not given a reason for believing what you believe.



Well, at least you live in a country where you can make a choice to not eat meat based on moral objection.

If i lived where it wasn't a choice, I wouldn't object to eating meat, I might see it as an unfortunate necessity but i wouldn't see it as totally wrong. If i didn't eat, i would die.

[TonyD]

Im not sure if your aware of this but there's something called the food chain.

We're at the top of it...

wait for it...

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PWN3D

[Edgar]

By the way, lets just get one obvious emotion out of the way. I think even you would agree that fear is a fairly universal animal emotion.

[TonyD]

Fear is universal, i recognise that. Although i do object to the way some vegetarians aggressively advertise there own vegan ways while trying to make people who take part in what comes naturally (eating what you like) feel guilty.

[beachguy in thongs]

It is human nature to kill animals for food and pick vegetables. Early in our evolution, we couldn't speak or didn't have meanings, but we killed animals for food. There was no such thing as a housecat.

If we hunted instinctively, there's a pretty good chance it's God intention.

[Ousted]

Whether they can feel emotional pain or not, (and i suspect they do to some degree) if somebody starts tearing them to pieces while they are still alive, i guarantee they are suffering and not just in a emotional way.

Right. You can guarantee they are in pain in a physical way...
What you cannot guarantee is if its in an emotional way.



You say animals serve a purpose and from what i gather, apperently you think that purpose is to be food and/or slaves. Does that include us? If some being from outer space decided that it was far more advanced than you and just for the sake of debate, lets say you even agree that it is more advanced than you, does that give it the right to kill and eat you and yours? After all, you would be serving a purpose.

Well, if it served his people to do that, then yeah, it probably does give him right. Will I like it? No. Did I serve a purpose? Yes.


Yes I believe that living off the suffering of other sentient beings is wrong if it's not required, that's one of my core beliefs. Therefore i recognize that I am a sinner and dont try to tell me otherwise. I dont base my beliefs on fairy tales or whims, i base them on science, experience, and observation. I know other animals and people are much alike, and based on that knowledge, I know that there is a good chance that humans and other animals feel many of the same things.

So now you feel you have a right to impose your beliefs on me and judge me, if I dont embrace them as you do, all because you have your "feeling" about animals and their "feelings" which you created in your own head? So now I must change my whole way of thinking and my diet all because you "feel" that we are the same as animals and that eating animals is immoral? Forget history, forget instinct, forget everything I know...all because of your feeling?

Uh, no.

[GHoSToKeR]

beachguy, is it also human nature to go to the movies, smoke Cannabis or work in an office 9-5?

[beachguy in thongs]

I've smoked weed all day, at work, and took a girl out to the movies at night, then fell asleep.

[NYCZILLESTROLLER]

meat is the best, you can't get me off meat

[Edgar]

So now you feel you have a right to impose your beliefs on me and judge me, if I dont embrace them as you do, all because you have your "feeling" about animals and their "feelings" which you created in your own head? So now I must change my whole way of thinking and my diet all because you "feel" that we are the same as animals and that eating animals is immoral? Forget history, forget instinct, forget everything I know...all because of your feeling?

Uh, no.

No I'm not saying that at all. I dont presume to judge others, I judge only myself. By the way, I have more than gut feelings, if you really want me to be specific. There is quite a lot of evidence that supports my beliefs, no i can't prove them without a doubt, but its certainly not just a "feeling" i have.

Now would you kindly answer my question? What do you base your beliefs on? Or is just your "instinct".

[Ousted]

Now would you kindly answer my question? What do you base your beliefs on? Or is just your "instinct".

I could ask you the same question. You have your "feelings" and I have mine. :D

[Ganja Cat]

good job ghost i had a chicken sandwich today and almost puked, b/c i thought of the video

[tylerkane]

I had a steak, thought of the video for a minute, then continued to eat that $15 sun of a bitch and it was god damned tasty.

[beachguy in thongs]

I had a sub with cheese.

And turkey. And salomi, And Balogna. And Ham. And Mustard (French's)

[Edgar]

I could ask you the same question. You have your "feelings" and I have mine.


Ah, but i have more than just feelings.

Animals arn't aliens or robots, I dont see what reason you have to assume they wouldn't have emotions. It's their

very similarity to us that makes animals so valuable in medical research. Every animal we've tested so far has

large portions of it's dna that are identical to our own DNA. We test our drugs on them first. And speaking of

drugs, drugs have an effect on animals that is very much like their effects on us. They make them feel good and

because many pathways in animal brains have synonymous function to pathways in human brains, there is no reason to

assume that they dont feel emotions in a similar way to how we feel emotions. For example, Cocaine is a stimulant

and it causes dopamine reuptake inhibition in rats, humans, apes, and just about any other animal. By increasing

dopamine in the synaptic cleft between neurons, more is absorbed at once, resulting in strong stimulation of the

reward areas of the brain. That happens to all the animals i mentioned, when they are given cocaine. For most drugs

the tactile component is only a small part of it's charm, so what would keep the animals coming back for more unto

death? Emotional bliss, that's what. I think you assume that emotions are more complex than they really are. Sure

humans and animals arive at various emotions for different reasons, but that's no reason to devalue animal

emotions. Animals need emotions to survive, just like we needed and still need them to some degree. Emotions, give

us our drive, they drive us away from danger. Emotions drive us to seek food shelter and companionship. This

behavior is demonstrated by pretty much all animals, it's certainly not just a human trait, some animals will even

find companionship in animals of a different species, take Koko (the gorilla) and her kittens for example. So if

you deprive an animal of it's emotional needs or its other needs, it's a pretty sure bet that it is suffering.

That has been demonstrated repeatedly. Chimps and other animals that live in cages their whole life are depressed,

withdrawn and sometimes crazy, this is evidenced by the fact that they no longer show interest in many normal

activities and by the fact that they show many other abnormal behaviors. (

http://www.brown.edu/Research/Primate/lpn30-2.html http://www.psychology4all.com/environmentalpsychology.htm

http://www.awionline.org/Lab_animals/biblio/variab.html ) Chickens that are stressed are shown to have decreased

function of their immune system. ( http://www.upc-online.org/980616salmonella_comments.html ) It's actually rather

common knowledge that an animal's drive can diminished by caging them in a non stimulating environment. I can't

prove without a doubt that they have emotions, only because i can't prove without a doubt that any1 but myself has

emotions, (and i can only prove that to myself) that includes people. I can never know what others are feeling, no

one can, but that isn't much of a reason to assume they don't feel emotions. Emotions can be directly stimulated

with intra-cranial self-stimulation in rat brains. This is confirmed by a study done in the 50's by a man named

James Olds. Here is link that details his studies: http://www.nap.edu/books/0309066441/html/251.html - and if you

keep paging through it, it becomes quite clear than animals can experience emotions, or just as clear as any test

could be. Here are a couple more links which clearly show an animals emotional drive.

http://www.hedweb.com/wirehead/hypermotivation.html http://www.hedweb.com/wirehead/index.html

Here are some links which highlight some similarities between human brains and chimp brains: http://brainmuseum.org/specimens/primates/chimp/index.html
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=6691


Aside from all that research, I think it's pretty clear that most if not all animals feel fear.

Oh I've got more, but i think that's enough for now...

[Ousted]

So, do you believe all animals experience emotion then? What about insects? Bacteria, single-cell organisms? But not plants...right?

Are you for freeing all living creatures of harm done to them because of humans, or just the cute, people-like creatures? Where is the line drawn? And what reasons do you have for drawing the line where you've drawn the line, and why would you expect anyone to follow your arbitrary guideline of which creatures have emotion and are worth fighting for, and which are not?

I dont believe animals are smart enough to have emotion. Maybe elephants and chimps...maybe... You dont really see us eating the more intelligent animals anyway... And if you say chickens are intelligent, I swear to god... ;)

I think you need a base intelligence in order to have emotions, or to be affected by them the way that we are. Babies aren't emotional, they become emotional beings later, when their brain has developed enough.

Look, its unfortunate for chickens and cows and lamb and pig that they are as tasty as they are. Maybe these animals should put their distraught emotion (over the fact that their whole purpose is to become my lunch) to good use and work harder to get their way up the food chain. Until that time comes, they will continue to be part of my diet.

And thanks for taking the time to site links, many people dont take the time to research what they're fighting for, its refreshing to see you do, even if I dont agree with you, I respect your position more. :)

[Edgar]

I dont believe animals are smart enough to have emotion. Why?


So, do you believe all animals experience emotion then? What about insects? Bacteria, single-cell organisms? But not plants...right?

Are you for freeing all living creatures of harm done to them because of humans, or just the cute, people-like creatures? Where is the line drawn? And what reasons do you have for drawing the line where you've drawn the line, and why would you expect anyone to follow your arbitrary guideline of which creatures have emotion and are worth fighting for, and which are not?

I'm not trying to enforce anything, when are you gonna get that? I'm making moral decisions for myself and myself alone. I've only been explaining why i believe what i believe, now, I ask again, why do you believe what you believe?

I draw the line as best i can with the information that is currently available to me, that's really all any1 can do. Insects feel something, but I'd be willing to bet that what they feel is far more primitive than anything the more advanced animals feel. Plants, well i have no idea about what if anything plants could feel and as for single-celled organisms, they can react, but they can never react with purpose in mind (because they dont have a mind) and they can't feel, because they dont have a nervous system. And like i said b4, if i need to eat life forms to survive, well, that is an unfortunate necessity, but it is a necessity. Besides I already told you that my goal was to reduce suffering and i have already accomplished that goal and will continue to accomplish that goal in the future.




Maybe these animals should put their distraught emotion (over the fact that their whole purpose is to become my lunch) to good use and work harder to get their way up the food chain. Until that time comes, they will continue to be part of my diet.
Well that's a funny thing for you to say... according to your logic, and with this part i agree, they dont know why they are in that situation and they certainly don't know how to work towards getting out of that situation, but i realize that you were prolly saying that more in jest than anything.



I think you need a base intelligence in order to have emotions, or to be affected by them the way that we are. Babies aren't emotional, they become emotional beings later, when their brain has developed enough.

They certainly cry a lot for beings that arn't emotional. And what of my earlier example? What about the severely retarded people that don't develop into fully functional human beings? Would it be ok, in your view, to eat them?

[death of sXe]

Emotion is seperate from higher concious thought. They occur in different parts of the brain.

Your neocortex is responsible for intellectual thought. "lower" animals do not have such a developed neocortex as we do. Thats why they cant drive cars, do complicated math (animals can do some math) or read novels.

Deeper down is the part of the brain that processes such things as emotion. We share this with all mammals. Reptiles and birds have not developed this too much. (though they still understand suffering as well as you)
Finally we reach the reptilian core. This part of the brain controls basic instinct. Sex and aggresion. We share this reptilian core with birds.

Do some research. Read a fucking book. Think about what youre doing. You will pay for your actions later on. Once your clogged arteries and cancerous insides collapse and your soul is free..imagine the guilt you will live with for all eternity due to your laziness and ignorance.. :p

[Anousenka]

Emotion is seperate from higher concious thought. They occur in different parts of the brain.

Your neocortex is responsible for intellectual thought. "lower" animals do not have such a developed neocortex as we do. Thats why they cant drive cars, do complicated math (animals can do some math) or read novels.

Deeper down is the part of the brain that processes such things as emotion. We share this with all mammals. Reptiles and birds have not developed this too much. (though they still understand suffering as well as you)
Finally we reach the reptilian core. This part of the brain controls basic instinct. Sex and aggresion. We share this reptilian core with birds.

Do some research. Read a fucking book. Think about what youre doing. You will pay for your actions later on. Once your clogged arteries and cancerous insides collapse and your soul is free..imagine the guilt you will live with for all eternity due to your laziness and ignorance.. :p

YEAH!!! meat is murder, folks

[andy704]

ive always wanted to stop eating meat.i have the softest spot in me heart for animals. im a guy and even still, watching anything or anyone abuse or treat animals wrongly just makes me cry for them and go crazy. i bitched at my mom for hours because she found a bunny in her garden yesterday and she was trying to put it in a box. she grabbed it by the ears and picked it up and the bunny started yelling and crying and i was there to see and hear it all. she said youre supposed to do that.

i hate everyone who treats animals wrongly.

but heres the problem, ive seen movies of cows, pigs, (you name it) being slaughtered and wanted to be a vegetarian sooo bad. but when i tell my mom she says that im really stupid. she tells me to be a man and let it be. our family serves meat everyday. and if i refused to eat then they will just let me starve because they know i will come out and eat sooner or later. so i just have to eat meat (i have no money whatsoever to buy my own food).

one thing that i do is when i go somewhere (a farm) where i can see or hear a duck or chicken get killed to be eaten, i dont eat it. i dont talk to anyone there for the rest of the week. i would starve myself if i had seen it. it just makes me feel soo bad.

dogs and puppies have the biggest soft spot in my heart. i would do anything for my dog. if need be, i would kill for my dog, if someone was harming her. shes a little shihtzu/maltese puppy. i have fought for someones puppy (that i didnt even know). i almost took a bat to an old man's head because he was about the throw a rope around a little dog's neck and drag it behind his truck.

i hate those ppl soo bad.

[GHoSToKeR]

Trust me, your parents won't starve you. You may have to be a bit hungry for a couple of days because you'ree not eating full meals.... but eventually they WILL get the message. :) But I agree that it's much easier to change your diet when you're providing it yourself.

[Anousenka]

ive always wanted to stop eating meat.i have the softest spot in me heart for animals. im a guy and even still, watching anything or anyone abuse or treat animals wrongly just makes me cry for them and go crazy. i bitched at my mom for hours because she found a bunny in her garden yesterday and she was trying to put it in a box. she grabbed it by the ears and picked it up and the bunny started yelling and crying and i was there to see and hear it all. she said youre supposed to do that.

i hate everyone who treats animals wrongly.

but heres the problem, ive seen movies of cows, pigs, (you name it) being slaughtered and wanted to be a vegetarian sooo bad. but when i tell my mom she says that im really stupid. she tells me to be a man and let it be. our family serves meat everyday. and if i refused to eat then they will just let me starve because they know i will come out and eat sooner or later. so i just have to eat meat (i have no money whatsoever to buy my own food).

one thing that i do is when i go somewhere (a farm) where i can see or hear a duck or chicken get killed to be eaten, i dont eat it. i dont talk to anyone there for the rest of the week. i would starve myself if i had seen it. it just makes me feel soo bad.

dogs and puppies have the biggest soft spot in my heart. i would do anything for my dog. if need be, i would kill for my dog, if someone was harming her. shes a little shihtzu/maltese puppy. i have fought for someones puppy (that i didnt even know). i almost took a bat to an old man's head because he was about the throw a rope around a little dog's neck and drag it behind his truck.

i hate those ppl soo bad.

I totally understand, my soft spot for animals made me go veggie. It took me too long:( But I made it! heehee. I'm sure it's really really hard to deal with parents who have opposing views:( I definitely encourage you in rebelling against mainstream meat loving republican crap! Maybe get your mom to watch the meet your meat video. It's unusual for women especially to be indifferent to animals:( Unfortunately adults rarely change:( But don't give up! You're on the right track! People need to be more caring towards animals. Infinitely more caring. Good for you for helping the puppy!!! Anyways, stick to your beliefs and you'll definitely make a difference:)

[andy704]

i really really want to more than anything, you know. i have shown her one of those videos already, along with a PETA video of a little monkey getting beat and stuffed into a small tube and abused and one of a golden retreiver that get beat in the face with a skateboard (it was all over the internet) and after she watched them the only thing i got from her was "so??"

she said that it doesnt matter if i turn vegetarian becuase its not like theyll stop killing the farm animals. they will still kill them no matter what i do. and she said its not like im killing them, im just eating the meat of the animals that have been killed and processed by someone else. then she said stop acting stupid and trying to be like other people. i really wanted to punch her face in. and yesterday when she made that little bunny cry, i yelled at her and was getting ready to shove her into the pavement but i held back. i really want to show her how badly i feel for these animals but she just thinks im going through a pahse. she thinks that since im a boy i will get older and turn into a man and not be so soft for animals. tells me that i act like a grl. if there was a day when one of my family members hurt a puppy that belonged to be, i wouldnt hesitate to beat them sp hard. and im not trying to talk tough.

i hate myself for not being able to hold up with myself and stay a vegetarian. having to go through all the verbal torture and having words thrown at you for trying to stay away from meat. i wish i could make a difference in my life.

(i dont really have a problem with eating seafood... i guess i just feel this way for mammals.)

also ghost, she will probably starve me and if she sees that its really affecting me then she would do whatever she can to force me to eat

[GHoSToKeR]

"she said that it doesnt matter if i turn vegetarian becuase its not like theyll stop killing the farm animals. they will still kill them no matter what i do."

I've had that line used on me so many times. I think even the people who use it know that it's completely illogical, but so are most of their arguments...

The fact of the matter is that the more people that buy meat the more meat will be killed. If one person stops eating meat then maybe they won't kill any less animals, but for every one person thinking about giving up meat i'm sure there are thousands of people in the same situation. If you all stopped eating meat at the same time then yes, it wpould make a huge difference. Think about it; most vegetarians have been in your situation at some point... and we all made the step and gave it up. With so many vegetarians not eating meat it's a fact that the meat industry isn't killing as much meat as it would be if EVERYONE ate meat. :)

[andy704]

so can you guys help me here. ive been eating meat (even though i dont want to, but its just my diet now) everyday and im not sure if ill be affected if i stop. most of the times i dont really think about when im eating when i eat meat but thats basically all i eat. tacos, burgers, steaks, etc.
i dont really know what il eat otherwise. i dont really eat salads (most of the times im too lazy to make it.. loo long) i just dont know how im going to go about it and completely change my diet

[GHoSToKeR]

Try this;

http://www.goveg.com/order.asp :)

If you don't want to have it sent to your house then click download it. :)

Good luck!

[w4terb0ng]

meat is great. i love a nice big, juicy, bloody ass steak on my plate when supper time comes around. i'll eat meat for the rest of my life. those videos don't bother me at all. i help hack deer in to pieces every year to cook up and eat. i deal with the organs and blood, etc, etc... i don't know what's wrong with everyone who says that eating meat is so evil or wrong. it's a fucking joke to me. i mean, to each his own, but HEY, don't try and tell me i can't eat the stuff, and don't bitch and whine at me about some pig that got his skull caved in so i could have pork chops. i don't care. it's an animal, and that's what they are here for. anyhow, nice video... no sickness here.

[death of sXe]

^^ disgusting. ever heard of karma? ;)

[w4terb0ng]

karma, shmarma... who's got the A-1 ?

[death of sXe]

Smother the truth in denial. Enjoy it. :(

[w4terb0ng]

denial of what? i LOVE meat. and just because you don't like the fact that i LOVE meat, i'm going to smash an innocent kittens head in with a sledgehammer. then, i'll string out his organs and wear them as a nice scarf. :)

[GHoSToKeR]

meat is great. i love a nice big, juicy, bloody ass steak on my plate when supper time comes around. i'll eat meat for the rest of my life. those videos don't bother me at all. i help hack deer in to pieces every year to cook up and eat. i deal with the organs and blood, etc, etc... i don't know what's wrong with everyone who says that eating meat is so evil or wrong. it's a fucking joke to me. i mean, to each his own, but HEY, don't try and tell me i can't eat the stuff, and don't bitch and whine at me about some pig that got his skull caved in so i could have pork chops. i don't care. it's an animal, and that's what they are here for. anyhow, nice video... no sickness here.
denial of what? i LOVE meat. and just because you don't like the fact that i LOVE meat, i'm going to smash an innocent kittens head in with a sledgehammer. then, i'll string out his organs and wear them as a nice scarf. :)
Wow. You seem like a really horrible person.

For the first time since I joined here i'm gonna put someone on my ignore list...

[w4terb0ng]

damn. excuse me for having my own opinion.
PETA and other people of that sort can post, preach, etc anywhere and to anybody that they please, but i can't have an individual opinion?
you've wasted your breath if the only thing you can say is that i am a horrible person because i like to eat meat, and don't feel sorry for killing an animal if it is for the sole purpose of feeding myself and others. ignore me if you want, Hitler... but i will not stand by and have someone tell me that what i should or shouldn't be doing, what i should be thinking, and how i should be leading MY life. Jesus Christ, what is so wrong with me?

[death of sXe]

This message is hidden because w4terb0ng is on your ignore list.

[GHoSToKeR]

This message is hidden because w4terb0ng is on your ignore list.
+lol+ Funny, I get the same message too.. :p

[Melton420]

ummm pork and chicken

[beachguy in thongs]

Melton went to bed, he has school tomorrow.

[smokey]

i watched it but i will still glady enjoy it when i eat meat
why dont u got tell a lion or tiger to become a veggie
or is eating an animal while it is alive and in serious agony not cruel

[Ousted]

Smother the truth in denial. Enjoy it. :(

A side of Superiority quenches that appetite of your better than any slab of meat I see.

If I couldn't eat meat I'm sure I'd be as obnoxious as you are, and justify myself to my fellow man by judgeing and condemning him, as that would be me some shred of happiness as I see it brings you.

They do say you have to replace one bad habit with another. :D

[Ousted]

karma, shmarma... who's got the A-1 ?

And THAT made me LMFAO!

Such sensitive Suzies. "ignore list", egad, fucking lame. *sigh* Vegetarians... :rolleyes:

[pisshead]

wow, ghostoker, i knew the meat industry was bad, and i've read all the stories about what's done...but watching that made me physically ill...those people are just heartless beating those animals on concrete and dumping them alive in boiling water...it's sickening...

and even if you do eat meat...there are other ways to get the job done than what was shown in that video...it's not the ONLY way to get meat on your plate...but still...

i'm going to work on making the 'switch'...i just can't feel good about myself supporting this industry...

[beachguy in thongs]

All butchers are not like that, and that's why everyone thinks horrible things about the meat industry.

[BlazinHaze]

All butchers are not like that, and that's why everyone thinks horrible things about the meat industry.

You're right.

I watched the video, and I've seen similar propaganda before. I have no problem with eating meat, and watching that actually made me realize that I haven't had my daily dose of two junior bacon cheeseburgers from Wendy's yet today.

When I was like 10 years old I raised lambs solely for the purpose of selling them at auctions to be slaughtered; I didn't care then and I don't really mind it now.

[NowhereMan]

school is in session

http://education.nmsu.edu/webquest/wq/dino/meat.html
Carnivores are animals that eat meat. They usually have sharp teeth and powerful jaws


http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/nwep10.htm
All plants and animals need energy to survive. Plants get their energy from the sun. They are producers because they make their own food using energy from the sun.

Other living things are consumers. Consumers can't make their own food. There are different types of consumers.

Herbivores are plant eaters. Carnivores are meat eaters. Omnivores eat plants and meat and insectivores eat insects.

Producers and consumers are part of the wildlife web. They are connected and depend on each other for survival.


Carnivora - Meat Eating Mammals
(About 230 species.)
http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/carnivora.htm






http://www.iwrc-online.org/kids/Facts/Mammals/carnivores.htm

The carnivores are meat-eaters, although not all carnivores eat meat only - many of them are omnivores, meaning that they eat a variety of foods.
You've heard of the food chain? Well... carnivores are at the top of it. Carnivores eat other animals, which in turn eat plants, which get and store energy from the sun. It's one big circle. The only animals that eat carnivores are bigger carnivores.

Scientists classify carnivores (remember that some of them, like the raccoon, eat all kinds of food) based on the fact that they have teeth made for grasping and tearing and they are very well coordinated, flexible and usually fast.

Carnivores also have a very simple digestive system because meat is easier to break down into energy than vegetable matter.

[Mojavpa]

I would think more people here would be concerned about the environment, because when you eat meat you're making sure more rainforests are cut down and more resources like grain are used to feed million of cattle, instead of feeding the millions of people here who suffer from hunger.

[GHoSToKeR]

Wow.. Way to be polite, or have a polite debate. Posting a picture of a burger? That's pathetic. What, are you guys 12?

[BlazinHaze]

Wow.. Way to be polite, or have a polite debate. Posting a picture of a burger? That's pathetic. What, are you guys 12?

18, actually, but doesn't it just look delicious? I went to Wendy's shortly after posting that and ordered two. I don't understand why that offended you so much though. I mean, it's just dead, abused, and maybe even (fingers crossed) diseased cows and pigs.

Finger-lickin' good.

[GHoSToKeR]

I never thought i'd say this to you, but shut the fuck up.

[Anousenka]

Gross...just disgusting all you people who disrespect animals. You may as well just kill your pets and family members and eat them. ITS THE EXACT SAME THING!!! "Meat" is dead flesh. Animals who have been brutally murdered to feed humans so then they can die of heart attacks with rotting meat in their intestines. Every time you take a bite of meat, think about how it would feel if someone were to cut you up into pieces because of the "industry". Animals have emotions and personalities and can feel love. Probably more so than most humans...especially vile waste like you brainrot meat eaters. (unless you're forced to like andy)

[death of sXe]

YeAh

[GHoSToKeR]

lol @ my quote in your thread! haha :D

[death of sXe]

HahHahAh

[BlazinHaze]

I never thought i'd say this to you, but shut the fuck up.

I really have nothing against you, but we all have opinions. I don't mean to offend you, I really don't, but at the same time you have to realize that a video like that isn't going to automatically convert meat-eaters to vegetarians. I admit my reply was kind of bitchy, and for that I apologize because I'm not here to make enemies.

I just feel it necessary to defend my own practices, which in this particular case, is my diet.

[death of sXe]

wat a cunt!

[BlazinHaze]

I also have to ask though, do y'all drink the milk or eat the eggs that some of those animals are "forced" to produce?

[death of sXe]

SeE Thats FroM OvAries^^

[BlazinHaze]

wat a cunt!

Oh, that's a respectable response.


And now I'm crying, thanks. :(


Like I seriously care what someone who doesn't know me thinks of me.

[GHoSToKeR]

BlazinHaze,

You said that the video "isn't going to automatically convert meat-eaters to vegetarians." Death of sXe posted that video (under his old username) over a year ago.. and I haven't eaten meat since, because of that video. So you're wrong; it can make people realise the pain and suffering they are causing, and it can change people.

I've got nothing against you either.. but posting a photo of a burger or whatever is kind of dumb, and extremely insensitive. It's like, if somebody made a thread about their cat dying and somebody posting a load of photos of dead cats in the same thread.. +lol+

[Garden Knowm]

Is this thread about POON?

lick it... caress it, even chew it.. but don't eat it... POON

poon gazer (a person who sits down and admires pooon)
poon handler (a person who handles poon, kinda like a dog trainer but its POON were talking about not dogs)
poo-nonenom (when there is an abudance of poon)

just to get you started.

jail bait poon (under 18 poon)
executive poon (business suit poon)
asian poon (asian ladies)
huricane poon (homelss girls from lousianna poon)


feel free to try these termsout.. its ok if you use them incorrectly at first..

I love you

[Gecko]

Agh! I'm tired of you vegans and vegetarians, and whatever else there is. It's called a food chain. We just happen to be on the top. We can prepare our food any way we want. Stop bitching about animal rights. I like my pigs to be killed alive, and my chicken's throats slit while they are still awake. It makes me feel better when I'm downing a triple classic at Wendy's a giant bucket of fried chicken at KFC. Seriously.

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.

[dark0ne]

ok, if we all lived in the woods, we would eat just about evrything. humans are omnivors. yes you could choose to not eat meat, the protein found in meat of any kind helps the body make all kinds of usefull stuff. unfortunatly unless you don't mind killing and gutting your own dinner this is the most cost efective way to get the beef from the animal to your plate. also in this corprate controlled world the cows are just a number, like us.

[beachguy in thongs]

school is in session

http://education.nmsu.edu/webquest/wq/dino/meat.html
Carnivores are animals that eat meat. They usually have sharp teeth and powerful jaws


http://www.nhptv.org/natureworks/nwep10.htm
All plants and animals need energy to survive. Plants get their energy from the sun. They are producers because they make their own food using energy from the sun.

Other living things are consumers. Consumers can't make their own food. There are different types of consumers.

Herbivores are plant eaters. Carnivores are meat eaters. Omnivores eat plants and meat and insectivores eat insects.

Producers and consumers are part of the wildlife web. They are connected and depend on each other for survival.


Carnivora - Meat Eating Mammals
(About 230 species.)
http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/carnivora.htm






http://www.iwrc-online.org/kids/Facts/Mammals/carnivores.htm

The carnivores are meat-eaters, although not all carnivores eat meat only - many of them are omnivores, meaning that they eat a variety of foods.
You've heard of the food chain? Well... carnivores are at the top of it. Carnivores eat other animals, which in turn eat plants, which get and store energy from the sun. It's one big circle. The only animals that eat carnivores are bigger carnivores.

Scientists classify carnivores (remember that some of them, like the raccoon, eat all kinds of food) based on the fact that they have teeth made for grasping and tearing and they are very well coordinated, flexible and usually fast.

Carnivores also have a very simple digestive system because meat is easier to break down into energy than vegetable matter.

So who is the very first vegetarian to be served for dinner???

[Melton420]

fucking meat savers

[dirtyhippy420]

All I can say is... Mmmmm bacon! I loves me some meat! I want it so bloody that it moos/oinks/(insert farm animal noise). If you can't stomach (no pun intended... or maybe it was) how your food is made, then don't eat it. Remember two things though: Your not eating meat isn't going to stop what you saw on the video, your just being as ignorant as you were before you saw it AND every thing you eat was alive at some point in time, it's either murder or sustenance no in-between.

[lateralus]

Well I only skimmed a couple posts on the last page, but I have something to say about "animal rights". Animals eat eachother. That's how it's been done for... ever. Right? It's a completely natural thing, much like many things which have grown to be considered taboo in society. Seeing as how we're animals, who's to tell us we can't continue the tradition? Shit even homosexuality is seen in nature. Open your eyes, people. Nature isn't evil. It just is.

[dirtyhippy420]

Trust me, your parents won't starve you. You may have to be a bit hungry for a couple of days because you'ree not eating full meals.... but eventually they WILL get the message. :) But I agree that it's much easier to change your diet when you're providing it yourself.

I don't want to sound like more of a dick than I have to but: Don't subjugate those around you with your decision. Your parents aren't placing food in front of you and barring you from eating it, you're barring yourself from eating it. Beggars can't be choosers.

[dirtyhippy420]

Gross...just disgusting all you people who disrespect animals. You may as well just kill your pets and family members and eat them. ITS THE EXACT SAME THING!!!

No I suspect that my cat wouldn't enough meat to justify the effort, probably be stringy anyway.


"Meat" is dead flesh. Animals who have been brutally murdered to feed humans so then they can die of heart attacks with rotting meat in their intestines.

No, and I quote from dictionary.com
"meat...
n.
1. The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish or poultry.
2. The edible part, as of a piece of fruit or a nut.
3. The essence, substance, or gist: the meat of the editorial.
4. Slang. Something that one enjoys or excels in; a forte: Tennis is his meat.
5. Nourishment; food: â??Love is not all: it is not meat nor drinkâ?� (Edna St. Vincent Millay).
5. Vulgar Slang.
a. The human body regarded as an object of sexual desire.
b. The genitals


Every time you take a bite of meat, think about how it would feel if someone were to cut you up into pieces because of the "industry".

I would like to answer you hypothetical query with another: If I were an animal, would I know I was about to be cut into pieces? Would I even know what being cut into pieces is? Would I know if I left the stove on? What would be the best way to get a coffee stain out of silk?

Hypothetical= Moot (unless that was a rhetorical question, in which case I'm dying (literally) to know the answer and how you could possibly ascertain such information.


Animals have emotions and personalities and can feel love. Probably more so than most humans...especially vile waste like you brainrot meat eaters. (unless you're forced to like andy)

Such hurtful words! Where's your compassion or do you only reserve that for animals?

Sorry if I seem to be picking on you, but your comments elicited what I wanted to say: Why not put all this energy into stopping the senseless slaughter of humans? :confused: There I'm done with this post, that is, unless someone says something that I can't pass up. ;)

[lateralus]

Animals do have feelings. But they eat other animals. Even cute kitties. Those brainrot meat eating evil critter kitties. DAMN THEM

[GHoSToKeR]

I don't want to sound like more of a dick than I have to but: Don't subjugate those around you with your decision. Your parents aren't placing food in front of you and barring you from eating it, you're barring yourself from eating it. Beggars can't be choosers. What the hell are you talking about? This kid was telling us that he wanted to stop eating meat but his parents wouldn't let him. Try reading the entire thread before you make a comment.

Edit: And to say that one person going vegetarian won't help prevent any animals from being slaughtered is ridiculous. Supply and Demand, my friend... If there's less demand then..... ? I'm sure you can figure out thes rest on your own.

[KoRnStaR]

Man, got a bunch of pussies up here.."Don't disrespect the animals!!"

[dirtyhippy420]

What the hell are you talking about? This kid was telling us that he wanted to stop eating meat but his parents wouldn't let him. Try reading the entire thread before you make a comment.

Edit: And to say that one person going vegetarian won't help prevent any animals from being slaughtered is ridiculous. Supply and Demand, my friend... If there's less demand then..... ? I'm sure you can figure out thes rest on your own.

Let me try to dumb it down some more: It's his choice, it's his problem. What does he want? His parents to make an extra vegetarian meal for him? Why doesn't he make his own vegetarian meal? Are they tracking his every move making sure that he eats meat? His parents aren't his personal servant there to cater to his every whim. And why the hell am I talking to you about this? Can't he defend himself?

And now the second part: First of all I said nothing about prevention, Don't put words in my mouth. I'm going to have to dumb this one down too: Sure one person not eating meat will lower consumption, but will it stop the killing? Let me answer that for you: NO! Yeah, you not contributing to the slaughter of animals good for you, but if you believe that is in any way slowing meat production you are sadly mistaken. Quote from the USDA-

"The 2004 gross income from cattle and calves, hogs and pigs, and
sheep and lambs for the U.S. totaled $62.6 billion, up 11 percent
from 2003. Gross income increased for cattle and calves, hogs and
pigs, and sheep and lambs. Cattle and calves increased 5 percent,
hogs and pigs increased 35 percent, and sheep and lambs increased 3
percent.

Total 2004 cash receipts from marketings of meat animals increased
11 percent to $62.2 billion. Cattle and calves accounted for 76
percent of this total, hogs and pigs 23 percent, and sheep and
lambs 1 percent. Production decreased for all cattle and calves
and sheep and lambs but increased hogs and pigs. Average prices
were up for all three species."
Meat Animals Production (http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/reports/nassr/livestock/zma-bb/meat0405.txt)

What happened? Are there less vegetarians now? And before you give a glib response, make sure you have something to back it up.

[GHoSToKeR]

Ah, perfect timing.

This may come as a shock to you, but it doesn't matter if i'm making a difference or not. But i've made a personal choice not to contribute to something I strongly disagree with. Why is that hard for you to understand?

[death of sXe]

Keep in mind
vegetarians have this on our side::
*Facts
*Compassion
*Karma
*Healthier bodies = healthier minds.
*Quality

HmMm!!
Now you complacent flesh eaters have this going for you:

*Mcdonalds
*The Atkins diet (funny how the dude died)
*Already conditioned to eating corpses. Comes in handy when in a pinch.
*Quanity

^^ Its true. ^^

as for you dirty hippie...im really disgusted by how advanced youve gotten with your rationalizing away the mistreatment of billions of animals. its very selfish. im sure you're happy keeping things how they are now. personally though i'd like to help our society evolve past the 50's. :p
My superior diet will ensure that i'm around longer than you any way, so why am i bitching? :rolleyes:

O
you know it. . .


PWNED

[GHoSToKeR]

+lol+ Euph, your post just made me pee myself! :D

[death of sXe]

lETs breaK it dowN ok? The food chain is a natural extension of nature...

a mass produced slaughter industry is just fucked up. it is not a part of nature. it is killing the earth and directly contributing to world wide disease and starvation.
i fucking eat chik patties buffalo wings piZza nachos and everything. theres veggie alternatives to it all man. theres no need for some poor pig to live its life in misery for years being abused only to be murdered for my morning snack.

"What is the meaning of human life, or, for that matter, of the life of any creature? To know an answer to this question means to be religious. You ask: Does it make any sense, then, to pose this question? I answer: The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unhappy but hardly fit for life." - Albert Einstien

[TonyD]

At the end of the day we're animals, strip away all the emotion and morals and your an animal. It just so happens that the human animal was designed to eat mostly meat, do you get pissed off when a spider eats a fly?

"You damn spider you have no compassion for the poor fly!!!" Nah doesn't happen.

honestly its nature be a veggie if you want, nothing wrong with that. Although i do ask that you don't try to act as though you are morally superior to those who choose a different path.

I also fail to see how large food producing industry is contributing to world hunger?

[BobBong]

rofl.. i like how they say cows have a "Eureka" moment when they find a solution to a problem.

Here's something to think about...where would we be without the consumption of meat?

hmm? I'd imagine society certainly wouldn't be where it is today if we'd been eating carrots and eggplant for centuries.

[sharpezor]

yeah we'd all be dead, we do indeed need protein.

[death of sXe]

Fools! Have you not read the previous posts?!
Humans are primarily herbivores. See those molars? Yeah. Bitch.
Spiders dont pump flies with growth homrones and abuse them their entire lives before ruthlessly slaughtering them.
A carnivorous diet fuels world hunger because we feed most of all crops to these animals. Crops that would otherwise feed an enormous amount of people.
Protein can be found in peanuts and soy and beans. You dont have to mush up pig genitals and call it a hot dog, but you seem to think it's nessecary. By the way, my hot dogs are made from soy and won't clog my heart.

[w4terb0ng]

all this talk of meat and slaughtering makes me wanna pointlessly torture and abuse alot of cows.

[MyAntiDrugIsAmy]

Fools! Have you not read the previous posts?!
Humans are primarily herbivores. See those molars? Yeah. Bitch.
Spiders dont pump flies with growth homrones and abuse them their entire lives before ruthlessly slaughtering them.
A carnivorous diet fuels world hunger because we feed most of all crops to these animals. Crops that would otherwise feed an enormous amount of people.
Protein can be found in peanuts and soy and beans. You dont have to mush up pig genitals and call it a hot dog, but you seem to think it's nessecary. By the way, my hot dogs are made from soy and won't clog my heart.

i second that

[TonyD]

I didn't realise we were dealing with a genius, what gives you the right to call anyone a bitch you punk motherfucker? You think eating some lettuce and cabbage gives you the right to act like an arsehole?

Turning a chat about meat eating into your own personal flaming thread on all us mere mortals who don't agree with your great opinion, grow up a bit. Maturity has nothing to do with age so don't bother telling me how old you are.

In my opinion all kind of coherent argument and discussion in this thread ended a long time ago.

Not flaming anyone and don't take it personally. Our views are different and will remain to be so thus there is no point in carrying on a defunct argument.

[w4terb0ng]

ditto.


leaf eating bastards!!!!




ok, i'm joking. but still, i eat meat, i love meat. eat what you want, just don't shove it in my face and i won't get so fucking uptight. you're no better than i am because you decide to have a carrot instead of a t-bone.

[dirtyhippy420]

Ah, perfect timing.

This may come as a shock to you, but it doesn't matter if i'm making a difference or not. But i've made a personal choice not to contribute to something I strongly disagree with. Why is that hard for you to understand?

I completely understand, do what you want and leave me out of this I always say. It sounds like you finally understand what I was saying last night.


...Your not eating meat isn't going to stop what you saw on the video....

Ok now on to death. I don't patronize any fast food establishments, the food is horrid and full of shit. Secondly I'm with you on the Atkins thing, It's HILLARIOUS he died of a heart attack! The eating corpses thing, hell yeah I will survive! Quantity... quantity? What does eating meat have to do with quantity?


im really disgusted by how advanced youve gotten with your rationalizing away the mistreatment of billions of animals. its very selfish.

Damn it, now I've gone and disgusted death. How will I ever learn to live with myself? Quite frankly I'm disgusted at the lengths you'll go to affect the way I live my life. Keep trying to rack up those karma points, if you get enough you might me reincarnated into a cow and end up on someoneâ??s dinner plate, or you could just redeem them for a teddy bear and a pair of fake vampire teeth (or you could keep flaunting it to show you hack-kneed moral superiority, real way of the Buddha there buddy).


im sure you're happy keeping things how they are now.

You mean the way it's been since the dawn of man? Sure why not?


My superior diet will ensure that i'm around longer than you any way.

As you so kindly already pointed out, it's quality not quantity, and only time can tell. Unless... you're psychic! Oh, man this is so cool! can you read palms too?


so why am i bitching?

Maybe... because you're a bitch?
Hold on... wait for it...



(Insert lame compuslang to really drive the point home)

[dirtyhippy420]

OH and if you don't like hormones in your meat, or if you don't like caged chickens, do what I do: By from ranchers who don't use chemicals to alter their meat and let their chickens roam free. Or if there's a Wild Oats or a similar store near you, the get stuff from there is only pumped full of natures goodness.

[w4terb0ng]

lmao.

[ladyM]

TO EACH HIS OWN! When I eat my steak, I want that bad boy to moo when I stab it. I say NO to humus and soy nuts! I eat my veggies like a good girl, but I am a Carnivore, with a capital C. Theres nothing like a big ol' slab of fairly rare red meat sizzleing on the plate and the delicious aroma of seared flesh wafting through the house.......mmmmnnnmmmmmnnnn! A vegan may be healthier now , but heredity may be the death of us all. Being a vegetarian is not proof against heart disease, high blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, etc.

[death of sXe]

TO EACH HIS OWN! When I eat my steak, I want that bad boy to moo when I stab it. I say NO to humus and soy nuts! I eat my veggies like a good girl, but I am a Carnivore, with a capital C. Theres nothing like a big ol' slab of fairly rare red meat sizzleing on the plate and the delicious aroma of seared flesh wafting through the house.......mmmmnnnmmmmmnnnn! A vegan may be healthier now , but heredity may be the death of us all. Being a vegetarian is not proof against heart disease, high blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, etc.

The above opinon has been repeatedly proved as inaccurate.^^^
So, basicly...you dont care. You're going to live your life how you want it because it's convient for you. Nevermind compassion. They don't sell that at mcdonald's after all.o +
Time will tell :) As your friends and family die of heart disease I will be justified and youll be..well..fat. HAHA
Im not going to reply to dirtyhippie's weak counter points as they did more to prove my point than anything. :rolleyes:

SO WHAT? IS ALL YOU CAN GIVE ME COMPLACENCY AS YOUR EXCUSES? WTF IS THAT!

DISCLAIMER
let me just say that i love you stoners. you people adding to world destruction through gluttony do genuinely disgust me, but i'd rather hang out with you than any non-stoners. Im just as passionate about cannabis as i am for animals. Dont take my harsh words too personally. Slash a wrist or two, but dont think I dont love ya :)

* Cattle are castrated, their horns are ripped out of their heads, and third-degree burns (branding) are inflicted on them, all without any pain relief.

*Cows used for their milk are drugged and bred to produce unnatural amounts of milk; they have their babies stolen from them shortly after birth and sent to notoriously cruel veal farms so that humans can drink the calvesâ?? milk.

*Mother pigs on factory farms are confined to crates so small that they are unable to turn around or even lie down comfortably until the day they are killed.

*Turkeys beaks and toes are burned off with a hot blade. Many suffer heart failure or debilitating leg pain, often becoming crippled under the weight of their genetically manipulated and drugged bodies

* Hens used for eggs live six or seven to a battery cage the size of a file drawer, thousands of which are stacked tier upon tier in huge, filthy warehouses

When they have finally grown large enough, animals raised for food are crowded onto trucks and transported over many miles through all weather extremes to the slaughterhouse. Those who survive this nightmarish journey will have their throats slit, often while they are still fully conscious. Many are still conscious when they are plunged into the scalding water of the defeathering or hair-removal tanks, skinned or hacked apart. :eek:

[death of sXe]

Most everyone can agree that torturing animals is wrong, but many people aren't aware that going vegetarian is as effortless as choosing a veggie burger rather than a slab of dead animal flesh..
Heres a picture of a veggie burger. Its yum. :cool:

[MNgreen]

I only read the first page of this thread, but all I have to say is fuck peta I am gonna go shoot something in the back yard.

[death of sXe]

gO FOR IT MN
You get what you give
;)

[MNgreen]

LOL, What caliber is that?

[Anousenka]

LOL, What caliber is that?
The caliber you can use to shoot yourself in the head MN, one less carnivore is a world better off.

[death of sXe]

The caliber you can use to shoot yourself in the head MN, one less carnivore is a world better off.


CALM DOWN DEAR WE ONLY WANT TO POINT TANKS AT THEM NOT MAKE THE..OH WELL YOURE RIGHT NM *smokes salvia and pets bunnies*

[Anousenka]

Okay, okay lol, maybe that's a little harsh, but eating animals and buggies and sentient thingies like that is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Animal consumption in any form is horrible and it's brutal. Purposely killing an animal should be punishable just like hurting or killing a human would be. Just love the animals and buggies, they're our friends!:) They're like babies. You wouldn't eat a baby, would you? NOO!!!

[death of sXe]

{CENSORED}

[beachguy in thongs]

{
{CENSORED}}.

[F L E S H]

You know how people say they don't like to talk about religion because it always ends up going nowhere? This is worse, much, much worse.

Death of sXe, you seem to think everybody who eats meat goes to McDonald's and KFC. You know, I can cite the worst examples of anything and you feel bad for owning a compuiter because of all the horrible things that happen because of its production. I don't eat processed meats, I go to the butcher shop to get high quality meat, which usually implies that the animals are treated way better than you like to say they do. In fact, when I go to Italy, most of the meat is produced by uncle, who has some pigs. In fact, every year he slaughters them himself and makes delicious sausages and prosciutto and whatnot.

In the end, you can hold your breath until you turn blue in the face, but being obnoxious and arrogant is not the way to convince people to abandon meat and eat only vegetables.

And another thing, if you're gonna call yourself a vegetarian and then stuff your face with 'veggie' burgers and tofu dogs, what's the point? Do you have latent meat envy? I wonder... I there something missing in your diet? Or do you just like to pretend you're eating meat? I doesn't make sense to me, just like an alcoholic drinking alcohol-free beer doesn't make sense to me.

[beachguy in thongs]

You know how people say they don't like to talk about religion because it always ends up going nowhere? This is worse, much, much worse.

Oh, wow, Thanks for making SENSE OF IT ALL.

[GHoSToKeR]

+lol+ People don't eat veggie burgers to pretend they're eating meat! +lol+

[beachguy in thongs]

People don't watch Baseball to pretend they're watching Basketball...? [lol]

[GHoSToKeR]

Man, it's hard to see how you've got so many posts so quickly if you've put that much thought into all of them.

:rolleyes:

[beachguy in thongs]

I owe it all to "you people and you're "flying" ideas".

[GHoSToKeR]

Hey i'm sorry man. That was really rude of me. I completely apologise. It's just that i'm extremely high, and for some reason I find it hard to understand what you mean alot of time. I mean, I understand what you mean but can't tell how it's meant, if you get what I mean. #lol#

[DazedandConfused]

i eat three meals a day and one of them is always all fruit and veg.

[death of sXe]

You know how people say they don't like to talk about religion because it always ends up going nowhere? This is worse, much, much worse.

Death of sXe, you seem to think everybody who eats meat goes to McDonald's and KFC. You know, I can cite the worst examples of anything and you feel bad for owning a compuiter because of all the horrible things that happen because of its production. I don't eat processed meats, I go to the butcher shop to get high quality meat, which usually implies that the animals are treated way better than you like to say they do. In fact, when I go to Italy, most of the meat is produced by uncle, who has some pigs. In fact, every year he slaughters them himself and makes delicious sausages and prosciutto and whatnot.

In the end, you can hold your breath until you turn blue in the face, but being obnoxious and arrogant is not the way to convince people to abandon meat and eat only vegetables.

And another thing, if you're gonna call yourself a vegetarian and then stuff your face with 'veggie' burgers and tofu dogs, what's the point? Do you have latent meat envy? I wonder... I there something missing in your diet? Or do you just like to pretend you're eating meat? I doesn't make sense to me, just like an alcoholic drinking alcohol-free beer doesn't make sense to me.




Flesh...Im eating sausages and burgers and pizza and everything you eat because its yum. Except nobody had to suffer and die for me. Its simple.
and are you saying you only eat meat in italy? wtf is this.
Your uncle can {CENSORED} MY {CENSORED}!!!

[w4terb0ng]

and my dad can beat your dad up.

lol. jesus h. christ. get over yourself already.

[BUZz UK]

FUCK YOU ALL!

[BUZz UK]

only joking...

[ArtRollins]

I did a farm in Ibiza once to make all our food from scratch. Including chickens out of eggs, pig from the pigglet, rasing the wheat and corn to feed the buggers, rabbits, etc. learning how to harvest meat or vegitables is as important as what you feed your food to grow. Strange as you may find it, the feeling and sound of ripping one of my carrots from the earth was worse than the sounds when I gently slit the chickens artery (if you do it right they dont even know and there is no adreniline in the meat). I liked the experience of growing and harvesting even meat. You have to be able to do it or you are like the chump buddhists. They have a caste system where they allow one of them to be a "lowlife" and be the butcher. They all buy their meat from them and treat them as low caste because they provide the meat. Talk about hypocrates. There are ways to do things proper and I am want to find a reason for cannine meat tearing teeth in our mouth if it is not to eat meat. At the same time the farm was creating macrobiotic food (sprout) live food. Nice mix and the meat we made was great. Nothing like you buy.

[death of sXe]

...what?!
Its okay for me to contribute to the suffering and pain of otherS cause i was on a farm one time! :)
WHATEVER U SAY THERE BUDDY

[death of sXe]

Chickens are slammed into small crates and trucked to the slaughterhouse through all weather extremes. Hundreds of millions suffer from broken wings and legs from rough handling, and millions die from the stress of the journey.

At the slaughterhouse, their legs are snapped into shackles, their throats are cut, and they are immersed in scalding hot water to remove their feathers. Because they have no federal legal protection (birds are exempt from the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act), most are still conscious when their throats are cut open, and many are literally scalded to death in the feather-removal tanks after missing the throat cutter.
Chickens comprehend cause-and-effect relationships and understand that objects still exist even after they are hidden from view.2 This puts the cognitive abilities of chickens above those of small human children.
www.kentukyfriedcruelty.com

[death of sXe]

http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/ *

[prplchknz]

I like meat, but I might become vegetarian. I'd rather gather all the factory farmers and expose them to conditions that they put the animals in. We were doing fine without factory farms and animals were treated better. I think someone needs to gather a group and protest publically and get the word out there.

[F L E S H]

Flesh...Im eating sausages and burgers and pizza and everything you eat because its yum. Except nobody had to suffer and die for me. Its simple.
and are you saying you only eat meat in italy? wtf is this.
Your uncle can {CENSORED} MY {CENSORED}!!!
It's an example. High quality meat does not come from animals that are as mistreated as the ones you like to talk about. The fresh, high quality, delicious and nutritious meat you buy in a butcher shop does not come from sick, diseased animals. All your propaganda is about as valid as Michael Moore's, so go cry me a river somewhere else. And I would never eat at KFC, Taco Bell, McD, or any of that other grade F shit.

And don't ever mention my family that way again. That was uncalled for, {CENSORED} or not.

[death of sXe]

Or what? HAhaha

Don't pretend like you only get your meat from "high grade" butcher shops. I know betterr
(Do you have ANY evidence that those animals are treated with respect anyway?)

They dont have to die...you just prefer it that way. Excuse me if i find that cruel. :p

[death of sXe]

You tempt me so...heres the story of Flesh's family
http://www.fatchicksinpartyhats.com/part1.shtml

[tylerkane]

Saw this video of some guy telling these people protesting KFC to fuck off and eat chicken right in front of them, it was awesome.

death of sXe
WE GET IT! OK! You like to treat them chickens like ladys UNTIL you stick your dick in them.

no, but seriously, stop it.

[Ousted]

Or what? HAhaha

Don't pretend like you only get your meat from "high grade" butcher shops. I know betterr
(Do you have ANY evidence that those animals are treated with respect anyway?)

They dont have to die...you just prefer it that way. Excuse me if i find that cruel. :p

I think I get a little dumber after reading death of sXe's posts.

Might be just me, though.

[w4terb0ng]

um... rabbits eat lettuce.

[ArtRollins]

um... rabbits eat lettuce.

They also eat their young.

Pigs love to eat live chickens, so where are we going on this?

[F L E S H]

You tempt me so...heres the story of Flesh's family
http://www.fatchicksinpartyhats.com/part1.shtml
You know, you insult my family, and I politely ask you to stop, and then you reply with this.

I never knew vegetarians could be such assholes... oh wait, I sort of did, that's why I'm not a vegetarian.

As for you, fuckface, that wasn't a threat when I asked to stop insulting my family, it was a polite request. But I see you can't be civil enough for that. So how about you go fuck by sticking a carrot up your ass.

Tata.

[F L E S H]

Although I do not practice necromancy I do believe it can be used as a tool at appropriate times, perhaps.
Share your necromancy information here. Perhaps later I will share some of my knowledge on the subject too.

Necromancer - Experts at Manipulating Death and the Dead.

The main tool of a Necromancer is the death ether. An occupational hazard of being a Necromancer is that, working so close to the essence of death, one becomes consumed by the very forces they are attempting to channel. Being careful, with necromancy as in conjuring, is the key to survival, and correct execution of the rituals is the key to power.

Besides, like I'm gonna take dietary advice from a necromancer...

WTF man, you don't like to eat dead flesh, but it's ok to use dead humans in your little magic?

[death of sXe]

hhhAhaha

[death of sXe]

They also eat their young.

Pigs love to eat live chickens, so where are we going on this?

So...humans have made concentration camps for animals and people, driven entire species to extinction, opened holes in the atmsophere and dropped atomic and nuclear weapons. According to your logic we are far less deserving of compassion and should be ground up and put in your belly.

[GHoSToKeR]

Wow. Where did you avatar go, F L E S H? Oh the stonedness... :D

[onequickmove]

vegetarians live 10 - 20 years longer

lol

[onequickmove]

i think that video is a lil over exxagerated

obviously they're going to show the WORST examples they can find; you have to take it with a grain of salt

i was watching this interesting thing on discovery of this clean, comfortable automatic cow-milking machine :) even cleans their teets :) but hardly widespread i'm sure

[rebgirl420]

Im a PETA member and was vegan for 2 years. Now its more of an on and off vegetarian. I feel guilty about eating meat but if I can I avoid it. Actually PETA.com has some awsome food site links for vegan cookies and soy products, hell EVERYTHING haha.

[onequickmove]

just watched the vid; that really is horrid; terrible, not sure what to say; i like meat; hell, most of the cows i see around are hanging out on the plains eating grass though, doesn't look so bad; of course the slaughterhouse might be horrid; the thing with the chickens, arghhh....this is some bad shit

[onequickmove]

and i was reading that the organic/free range stuff is no better? fuck, bad shit

if i can say anything it's: if you can know where your food is coming from, like the farm itself, you might be able to find what sort of standards they have; local is good

[rebgirl420]

I would give my extra 2 cents as a PETA member and start naming facts but alas...my fingers would give out from all the typing haha. Theres just so much I could say and tell people but I dont even KNOW where to begin.

[slipknotpsycho]

as someone already said, they're gonna find hte worst of the worst....

sorry, the treatment they show is bad, but it don't change my view one bit.... to me they're food... that's why we're on the top fo the food chain... would you prefer me to go into the woods and start hunting my own meat? it takes an extremely skilled hunter to actually bring down anythign quickly, mostly (especially bow hunters, which before guns were around was the major hunting method, and before that, people crowded around a big animal, such as bison, with spears and just kept sticking the animal til it was down) they have to track the animal for hours folllowing the dripping blood...

i'm not gonna stop eating meat, so you tel lme what's better? letting a company do it for me, in which the animal dies relatively quickly, or wound an animal and let it bleed and run in frantic for hours.... personally i pick the first...

either way, as a ron white says "i did not climb to the top of the food chain to eat fucking carrots" another comedy (unrelated) states "sure you can do it, but that don't mean it's to be done.." sure you can live off vegetables, but that don't mean it's the best thing to do...

i love my t-bones, and i don't plan to give them up, i love my pork chops, and i don't plan to give them up, i love my chicken, and i don't plan to give it up either..

as for the castrating a baby pig... so what? like that's so much diffrent from circumsizing a baby... "without any type of pain medication..." and? baby humans don't get any type of anesthesia either...

the world is cruel place... most of the PETA fanatics just piss me off.... like tha twhole deal on fishing that was posted here awhile back...

fine you wanna live off vegetables fruit and other shit, i ain't gonna try to convert you...

BUT STOP TRYING TO FUCKING CONVERT ME (not intended for anyone here, just those fanatical peta people...)

btw, if you really wanna get technical about it, when one predator stops hunting it's prey, it throws EVERYTHING off... if we instantly just stopped eating these animals, and let them run free, at the population that exists today, that could seriously fuck up the earth.... tehre's no telling what kind of effect it could have... (not me trying to justify it, cuz i could honestly give a shit what someone thinks of me eating meat, it's just a fact, plain and simple...)

[rebgirl420]

^^ But im a PETA member and I dont push it down anyones throat. I gurantee you that out of all the PETA people only a select few are those crazy blood throwin' nut jobs. Thats like saying that all Muslims are terrorists. You cant judge a whole group of people over what a few a-holes did.

[slipknotpsycho]

never said all peta members are that way, in fact, i plain stated the fanatical ones..

if you aren't excesively trying to convert me (one time of asking me to go veg. is enough, if i didn't mkae the decision hte first time, i'm not gonna make it change the 100th..) or some other crap, you're fine by me... live and let live... it's a life choice, i've made mine, and youv'e made yours, i respect yours, so damnit, respect mine...

[rebgirl420]

damnit I DO respect yours sir! haha *shakes fist*

[ericwt]

Well that settles it. From now on I am only eating Vegetarians

[rebgirl420]

Its not propaganda at all hun. It was just a point of view. Besides im a PETA member AND a republican. A proud republican for that matter.

[slipknotpsycho]

Its not propaganda at all hun. It was just a point of view. Besides im a PETA member AND a republican. A proud republican for that matter.

please atlesat tell me you're not proud of bush...

[rebgirl420]

Its a love-hate relationship for me. The only things I dont realllly like about him has to be his view on abortion, gay marriage and the fact that he's uber religious. But besides that im good.

[MrGreenFingaz]

Yea carve those animals up! hell yea! I actually went to a vegetarian restaurant tonight with my family for my sisters birthday. it didn't taste as good as a thick steak off a cows ass, but it was cool to try for a change. The way i see it is that there would be no synthetic vegetarian chicken or pork or any of that shit, so in my books vegetarians kindof owe meat eaters, or else theyd just be munching on tofu and potatoes.

[Reefer Rogue]

McDonalds is too good in my opinion. As is meat in general.

[GHoSToKeR]

plrase dont spread propoganda on this website. I'm a republican but I dont throw my shit up. There are communists, anarchists and all sort sorts political factions and lifestyles, but they dont post shit to make us go to their side.

One man's truth is another man's propaganda.. And if you can't handle an ADULT DEBATE about a topic then I would appreciate it if you just didn't bother to reply, since your post was, well, pointless. Yes, there are different kinds of people in the world... Is that all you're trying to say? Because the other point about nobody telling others what they believe is probably the most stupid statement I've ever read on this site, and I've been posting here for years. Congratulations! :)

[GHoSToKeR]

Hey that's fair enough.. Sure I am asking people to quit eating meat, but I understand that not everyone can or will... But I appreciate the fact that you're at least showing a little compassion. :)

[GHoSToKeR]

Who resurrected this thread, anyway? lol It's old...

[Nightcrewman]

If God did not want us to eat meat he would not have made it taste so good!

Going for a burger now

NCM

[Oneironaut]

I'm a vegetarian and all, and I've been one for many many years, but one thing that really irks me is when vegetarians get all preachy and proselytizing. Yeah, I feel I'm doing the ethically right thing and there's definitely room for explaining the moral basis for our vegetarianism, but we don't need to call them murderers every time they eat a hamburger, we don't need to try to outlaw the meat industry, and we don't need to picket fur coat stores.

People love meat and they're going to love meat for a long time; right now, few people are going to be convinced to change their eating habits based on our moral philosophy. As long as that's the case, trying to take down the meat industry is pretty futile. It's like trying to outlaw drugs even though lots of people love drugs and cannot imagine going on without drugs.

I feel the best thing to do is to continue doing what we think is morally right, and explain how we think when the issue comes up, but not to proselytize and alienate our carnivorous friends. Eventually a future enlightened society might give up meat-eating altogether, but don't get any delusions that this is going to happen anytime soon. Right now, there are way more important things for people to worry about (like human beings).

[Greenport]

not eating meat is allowing those animals to die in vain. just my opinion

[BUZz UK]

not eating meat is allowing those animals to die in vain. just my opinion
ever hear of supply and demand?

[AsianStoner420]

I dont give no damn about no nothing, what are you gonna eat for the rest of your life??? grass,leafy vegetables and shit?LOL kidding,... Well i would if i could stop eating it but it just wont let me.

[BUZz UK]

I dont give no damn about no nothing, what are you gonna eat for the rest of your life??? grass,leafy vegetables and shit?LOL kidding,... Well i would if i could stop eating it but it just wont let me.

you put across a good arguement...

:rolleyes:

[BizzleLuvin]

if your dog tasted like pork,
would you eat her too?

[higher4hockey]

yes i would eat dog if it tastes like pork. i am meat eater, im a hunter and an all around out-doorsy type. i will eat meat till the day i die. i dont care how inhumanely animals are treated. doesnt bother me in the least. nature is cruel, humans arent above it all.

[Skink]

if your dog tasted like pork,
would you eat her too?

That's silly,,, cause we know cats taste like pork...

[slipknotpsycho]

prolly... if that were my las tsource of meat cuz every other 'normal' meat dissapeared, well fine so be it...

nothing is EVER gonna stop me from eatting what i like and i like meat.... if the animals got a problem with it...

well then let them say something but until they tell me so, i'll assume they like to be eaten...

oh yeah, animals eat us too when they get the chance... why don't you convince them to stop eatting us first....

[Dest]

Thats why I only eat animals I kill myself, they dont kill their animals nearly as brutally in the industry so I figure im doing my part.

[something]

so i eat all kinds of meat, but i also get my own meat, not from some production line, i'm a fisherman and we catch and kill legal size fish for food, with a line and rod in fresh water lakes, killed as humanely as we can, is that wrong? is it wrong for a hunter to make a kill and feed to his family what he has killed? i only go as big as fish though, ain't into cleaning some deer, but really, what i get from this thread is not to become vegetarian, but hunt on your own, and get your own meat humanely as you can, then you don't have to worry about bullshit like that, which isn't the standard anyway, i can guarantee that, that's a bullshit propanganda film, but i understand that animals are treated badly before slaughter, and there are places like that, but that's not the norm...so go out and hunt for yourself, then i guess these people would be happy...or would they? are they pissed off because of cruelty to animals? i don't think so, it's becuase you eat meat, bottom line, i don't care if they were given a painless lethal injection before slaughter, the same arguments would be here.

[Purple Banana]

Vegetarianism is a good thing- usually healthier, but people with anemia have to watch their iron intake...

I just can't STAND PETA... They're such unbelievable, money-hungry, attention-seeking, pushy assholes.

EDIT: I only eat local free-range and no hormone/antibiotic meat/chicken, so say what you will, but I'm not supporting factory farming.

[Maui Wowie]

Personally, I think veggie burgers and hotdogs are tastier than meat, but you know, nothing beats me in it's own concept.

[Maui Wowie]

my bad.. meat*

[LIP]

vegatarianism isnt for me. I love my steaks, sunday roast, lamb fillet, and chicken

[GHoSToKeR]

Ermitonto, I hope I'm not coming across like I'm preaching.. Well, I probably am, but fuck it, this is something I feel strongly about. Anyway, vegetarians are few and far between, so obviously I don't go around kicking everyone queuing up at MacDonalds... And I never preach to people unless they ask about it, you know? Goddam, if only Christians were like me. :D

[LIP]

I had a vegaterian pizza on saturday with some stella - was alot better than i thought. Id never had one untill then.

[higher4hockey]

i had a vegetarian for breakfast...

[jokeyjokejoke]

Holy shit. I never knew animals died so we could eat meat.