Is most of the THC gone after the 1st hit?

[Opie Yutts]

I had this thought.

Let's say you load a bowl that has 4 good hits in it. You light the first hit, and kind of move the flame around over the bowl as you're taking the hit. The flame is drawn down over pretty much all of the weed in the bowl.

Aren't most of the trichomes burned up in the first hit? In other words, isn't most (I don't know, 95%?) of the resin and THC burned up in the first hit, leaving the other hits smoking mostly only plant matter? If there is resin hiding, packed away in the center of the bong load, wouldn't it get cooked even if the flame doesn't touch it? I heard that fire can get pretty hot.

So for a party bowl, you want the first hit, at least if you are thinking of yourself. Is my logic flawed?

[VA KID]

Wow who evr can answer tht must be a ganja god! It'll suk if thts what happens

[orangeman]

I dont know but I always thought that so thats why most of the time I smoke sticks (blunts and joints) because theres always an end that hasnt had any buds what so ever burned...unless it's just down to your fingertips lol.

[Fengzi]

I had this thought.

Let's say you load a bowl that has 4 good hits in it. You light the first hit, and kind of move the flame around over the bowl as you're taking the hit. The flame is drawn down over pretty much all of the weed in the bowl.

Aren't most of the trichomes burned up in the first hit? In other words, isn't most (I don't know, 95%?) of the resin and THC burned up in the first hit, leaving the other hits smoking mostly only plant matter? If there is resin hiding, packed away in the center of the bong load, wouldn't it get cooked even if the flame doesn't touch it? I heard that fire can get pretty hot.

So for a party bowl, you want the first hit, at least if you are thinking of yourself. Is my logic flawed?

I think so. I would think it would similar to vaporizing. When you vaporize you draw hot air through the weed but without any fire. When smoking, it is reasonable to assume that the part of the bowl that doesn't actually get burned by the flame still gets vaporized by the heat. There are, however, other cannabanoids, in addition to THC, that must be burned to be effective. The lack of burning these other cannabanoids is why a vaporizer high is different from a smoking high. It would make sense that the ratio of THC to other cannabanoids would go down after each subsequent hit. Your best bet is to use something like a one hitter that gets dusted every time its hit. You may need to keep packing it but you'll probably get more high with the same amount of weed in the long run. Plus everyone gets their own fresh hit.

[Pride]

Well.. at least one thing we ALL know for sure: The more you smoke, the higher you get.

[Pulse]

i give away the first hit most of the time and still end up baked. you do get any where from 20-50 % in the first hit. it depends on how big a hit you take. there is still bud left for the rest to smoke but if your a nice smoker you will corner the bowl so 4 people can get a first hit.

[BoNgzilLa805]

this is what you do pack a bowl smok the frist hit save the reast of the bowl for when you wake up smok it and tell me if that dosent get you high

[Eshelmen]

thats why you smoke a blunt or a bong

so your fucked

[alwaystrippin]

If you get high off smoking resin then No, not all of the cannabanoids get burnt do they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alwaystrippin]

If you get high off smoking resin then No, not all of the cannabanoids get burnt do they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

does anyone else agreee......

[the dude abides]

i disagree, while many of the trichomes may disappear after the first hit, that doesnt mean they are all being vaporized. I think alot of that shit is turning into liquid resin and soaking deeper in to the ganja. This means when you smoke the rest of the bud your still getting vaporized resin, along with that found in the solid part of the bud. Thhats why at the end when it gets cherried so that you dont have to re-light it, is a good time for me to take hits, cause you dont have to char the bud with a lighter, and the resin just simmers. I'm not sure if my theory holds water. I just got back from a party and im a little confused, haha. What do you think?

[Opie Yutts]

Eshelmen: I am talking about a party bong load, or just a bong load that would have 4 good hits in it. And I assume a blunt would have a similar effect, it would just be more towards the end, making maybe the last half inch much less potent than the first half inch.

Alwaystrippin: Smoking the resin brings up an interesting point. Resin ends up in the bong or pipe, but isn't that collected over time from particles in the smoke? If not, where does it come from? If it is from particles in the smoke, then I'm not sure that it is relevant. It is still drawn out of the vegetative matter, I assume mostly from the first hit. Or am I missing something about the resin getting you high?

Bongzila805: Good idea for a somewhat controlled experiment. When you are sober, count how many hits it takes to get good and baked from only the first hit of a bowl. Then do it again when you are sober using only the last hit in a 4 hit bowl. Maybe Iâ??ll try this and post the results when Iâ??m not short on weed.

This is just my crazy mind wandering. I don't know if I'm on the right track or not.

[Opie Yutts]

I didn't think about the resin soaking into the weed. That probably makes a difference, but I'll bet it just makes my theory less on the percantages. Maybe 50% like pulse says.

[t3chyo]

you could also pack a bowl and hit one half the side leaving the other side untouched allowing some fresh bud still available.:thumbsup:

[Ratmbmx10]

You could just pack one hit into your bowl at a time, but then again I guess that would be the same as a one hitter.

[CBsDankNugs]

Well.. at least one thing we ALL know for sure: The more you smoke, the higher you get.

good point

[Blazed and Confused]

you could also pack a bowl and hit one half the side leaving the other side untouched allowing some fresh bud still available.:thumbsup:

Yep, it's called cornering the bowl. And it's good etiquitte.

[RevolverBlaze]

:dance: <-- I had to

[Opie Yutts]

I haven't heard of that etiquitte, but that makes good sense. Seems like cornering the bowl though is the wrong term. Sounds like you are getting the bowl alone for yourself.

[sirsmokesalot]

is it just me or is this entire argument based on the fact that once the trichomes are gone theres no more thc....

not true. the actual green itself has thc in the buds, thats why when you burn it, YOU GET HIGH.

[Opie Yutts]

I didn't realize this was an argument. I was kind of thinking it was a discussion, or brainstorm.

But aren't nearly all the canniboids in the resin, and isn't nearly all the resin in the trichomes? If I burn plant matter nothing happens. You need to burn the trichomes to get high. That is why you wait until the bud is nice and frosty with trichomes. Otherwise people would be harvesting during the vegatitve state. This has been my understanding for the past 25 years. Have I been wrong all this time?

the actual green itself has thc in the buds
Yes, but very little. I know there is THC in the plant matter too, but isn't it like maybe 1% of what is in the trichomes? Isn't that why we harvest the nice n frosty parts, the parts with the trichomes, and throw the rest away?

[Opie Yutts]

And I just thought of something else, Sirsmokesalot. When you vaporise instead of burn, you get more high and none of the plant matter was burned. How do you explain this?

[sirsmokesalot]

touche opie.

for the record i apologize for sounding a little grumpy in my last post.

[sirsmokesalot]

by the way i always used my vaporized bud, which is somewhat burned, to cook with afterwards. just out of curiosity where do those psychoactives come from?

[da haze meister]

ummm actually the buds have ALOT of THC in them
like ALOT
notice that if you roll and the trichomes fall off it still gets u high!

[mojoke]

Eshelmen: I am talking about a party bong load, or just a bong load that would have 4 good hits in it. And I assume a blunt would have a similar effect, it would just be more towards the end, making maybe the last half inch much less potent than the first half inch.


exact opposite... the roach end of your blunt/joint will be more potent because the smoke runs through the weed and deposits resin, works just like those chamber pipes that you stick weed in.

[Opie Yutts]

I see, that makes sense.

[sirsmokesalot]

but opie,

why is it than when i grind my bud fine enough to collect almost all the resin and press it into hash, smoking the bud still gets me fucked up? hmmmmm?

[IanCurtisWishlist]

you don't harvest in the vegitative state because the plant produces THC when it's maturing--ie when it's budding. the buds hold most of the THC, however the trichromes are very potent. hashish is pressed trichromes. it's not just the trichromes that get you high-- if that were the case, what would be the point of owning a grinder with a screen??? the plant produces THC when flowering, in the buds; that's why you smoke the buds. it's not just the trichromes that get you high, although it's the best product in my opinion.

[sirsmokesalot]

^^^ word

pretty much what i was trying to say

[Opie Yutts]

Well I stand corrected and I have had the wrong idea for the past 25 years, along with all my college buddies from years ago.

When I take an individual leaf that is inside a bud, and look at it under a microscope, I see hundreds, if not thousands of little balls of resin. Some are kind of on the end of long sticks, and some are just stuck directly to the leaf. I have always thought that it is these balls of resin that get you 99% of your high, and about 1% or less of whatever gets you high is inside the actual plant matter. I guess it was from discussions about this in college, and things that I have read in the past, telling me that there is very little THC and other stuff in the actual vegatable matter. I have always thought that if you use some method to try and extract the balls of resin, there is no way that you can get it all if you still have vegative matter left. It seems obvious that there must be some left on the plant matter, and that is why you still get stoned from it, not because it is deep inside the plant matter.

So if I had some way to gaurrantee that I got all those balls off that leaf that was deep inside a nice frosty bud, you guys are telling me that leaf would still get me pretty much just as stoned, or at least good and stoned if I smoked enough of them. I find this hard to believe, but hey, majority rules - everybody else must be right.

So what percentage of the good stuff would you guys say is in the resin balls, and what percentage is inside the cells of the plant matter? Just curious, I thought it was like 99 to 1. Would you guys say it is more like 50/50?

[CaptainDankNuggets]

YES thats pretty much what happens persay but it depends on the bud and how fat the nugget is and the potency cause ur still gonna get high no matter ill loose soem tch but there willstill always be some there to FUck you up

[OaklandCaliGrowboy]

Ok, heres the deal. IanCurtis pretty much summed it up. I'm not bullshittin ya, I grew the damn things in cali for a while, and pretty much grew up on the knowledge. Yes, the trichomes have the most amount of THC in the plant. The hairs have the 2nd most THC in the plant. The way the plant grows, is that the pistils (hairs) soak up the sunlight (or whatever light) and flood the buds with THC. The leaves also soak in the light energy, but as the buds mature there are enough hairs to soak up the energy and bring it directly to the buds instead of supplying the stalks and such with the energy, so a lot of fan leaves are less necessary as harvest time nears. The buds themselves are packed with THC by the time they are harvested, cured and bagged and end up in your pocket and pipe. Yes, the smoke of the first hit will always contain the most THC than the other hits to come, but that is only because you burn the crystals and the hairs. Now another point was brought up, they referred to it as "cornering the bowl", and thats just common courtesy if you aren't the only guy on the rotation of the bowl. Let everyone get a fresh hit of the crystals, hairs and flowers. But here's something else to think about; you said the heat from the flame will most likely burn most of the THC in the bowl (by using the vaporizer philosophy). Now, its true that this can happen, so don't torch the weed! The less flame needed to smoke, the better. But next time you get a really crystalized bud, pack it into a bowl, fire it up, and then flip the bud over. I'll be damned if there aren't crystals still stuck to the bud on the un-burned side of the bud. So no, the first guy to hit the bowl is not ruining it for the rest of the smokers. Any questions?