View Full Version : Why cannabis SHOULDN'T be legalized
Pride
05-18-2006, 02:15 AM
I have a friend who likes to smoke up but actually he hates the living shit out of weed and thinks its ruining the world (he continues to smoke cause he's addicted). I decided to post his opinions but mine as well.
Anyway, we already have tobacco and alcohol problems in this country. Why should we legalize another drug? This country is well known for being stupid with drugs and abusing drugs. Do we really need another drug to legalize?
Freedom of choice? It's gonna cost this country a lot just to do so.
Medical? Is there really medical benefits? Or is it just an excuse for potheads and old people to get high?
If medical weed is legalized, then people can cure their back problems while at work. It's not like their back pains won't return. Then they'll be too stoned to work and it'll all be legal and will cause a slow down in this country.
Expensive pills not working? Side effects?
He thinks that patients are lying and just want weed to get high.
As harsh as it sounds, we cannot just ignore these things.
I've read posts from some of you that are trying to bullshit your doctors to get a medical card (YOU know who YOU are!)
Statistics in other countries?
One pot head said "Look at Amsterdam, they're doing fine!"
Yet a non smoker from a completely different forum said: "Amsterdam is full of whores and potheads! It's disgusting!"
Plus, we're not Amsterdam. In fact, we can't even let alone handle alcohol that we had to push the drinking age to 21. We saved 20,000 lives a year just for doing that.
Many of you think the government just wants money, doesn't want us to know the truth, etc. But perhaps they're keeping weed illegal for a perfectly better reason than what you think. Maybe they simply don't want the country to be full of potheads who stay home all the time. I admit they go out of control sometimes, but so can potheads anyway.
I am not for keeping it illegal, or legalizing it. But rather I'm just a curious George asking questions. Don't be mad and flame me, but rather try to think and reason. All I see are 'LEGALIZE IT' threads, but there's never a topic that questions the bad parts of weed. There's a bad side of everything. We should discuss it. I see way too many threads on people failing and dropping out of school because they skip school and get high. We cannot toss that aside.
It'd be great if weed became legal and I can easily go to a store and get weed and peacefully smoke it at home. That's what we all think. But maybe we're thinking for ourselves and just want to get high.
Maybe we should look at the bigger picture?
Please reply and tell me your thoughts.
Again keep in mind, I'm not for legalizing, nor for keeping it illegal. But I think this is a very important topic to discuss.
Another thing though, this is probably like posting why pirating stuff is ok on a warez forum. But I still want your opinions.
Thanks.
harmonicminor
05-18-2006, 02:39 AM
you know it was never a problem till they made it illegal. it also helped mankind survive for thousands of years. it could solve our energy crisis
it is the 1 plant in the whole world with many many uses besides being potheads
we dont have much time till mankind will come to an end anyway because of our destructive nature
many of the people that I see that dont like pot are crackheads or opiates addicts
would you rather your children be doing that????????
not to mention the whole stoner thing is propaganda
go watch your tv for some more mind programming
Pride
05-18-2006, 02:45 AM
Those drugs are even worse but not enough people abuse them anyway which is why they're not that big of a problem.
Did enough people smoke weed in the past?
Not enough people smoke salvia. If people smoked as much salvia as they did with weed, then it would be an issue. Oh wait, it is, isn't it? There's already an issue with that kid commiting suicide. That's just a start.
It's already all over the news these days. Kids are abusing salvia. Salvia IS becoming an issue.
What is NY doing right now? They're making it illegal.
Soon the whole country might do that.
I believe it wasn't until way later that weed became an issue and too many people started abusing it. Nowadays we smoke weed a whole lot more than we used to.
graph
05-18-2006, 02:48 AM
You're misinformed in a lot of areas, my friend. The world does not only smoke tobacco and drink alcohol, there are thousands of people in America that smoke marijuana. However, every single day people are going to jail because of it. Not all of them are drug dealers; some of them are husbands and wives, some are mothers and fathers, all because they use a drug that has been used since the beginning of civilization. Do you think weed is scary? That people who use it deserve to be incarcerated?
What will it cost this country? Surely not financially, they are actually losing money because of this "War on Drugs". Besides, with legalization comes taxation, and maybe it would benefit us all economically in the end.
I have experienced firsthand people who have never smoked cannabis in their life, and will only do so now for medical purposes. There are people in my family with AIDS that will constantly vomit when going through chemotherapy, and their way of holding down food is vaporizing. However, I will never be able to prove to you that medical users do indeed use cannabis for strictly medical purposes. However, if you ever find yourself suffering from glaucoma or arthritis, I suggest seeing how much you can benefit from cannabis.
Any doctor will tell you that everyone's biochemistry is different. Not all drugs work on all people. In fact, any given perscription drug on the market today will only work for about 80% of the population. With perscription medication come sometimes horrible side-effects, such drowsiness, vomiting, anal leakage, I mean the list just goes on. I believe anal leakage to be far more dangerous to the workplace than being a little high, don't you?
Again, I must reiterate one simple fact. You don't know, and may never know, how much some people suffer in this world, especially people with horrible, dibilitating conditions such as multiple sclerosis. To call these people liars is just naive. However, even if they were lying, after all the pain that they suffer through every day, is it that much of a problem if they want to smoke a joint? Who is it hurting?
That's probably the biggest question regarding Prohibition. Who is it hurting? Alcohol is physically addictive, Cannabis is not. Alcohol makes people violent and incapacitated, Cannabis makes you passive and a little hungry. People still die in this country from alcohol poisoning. No one has ever died from too much Cannabis. This country has a horrible caffeine addiction, yet that's not popularazied by the media.
Remember, strip away all the goverment propaganda, the Prohibition, the anti-marijuana fighters, and even those pro-marijuana, and you're left with a plant. All of this fuss, all over a plant?
harmonicminor
05-18-2006, 02:48 AM
well Salvia isnt something for the average person to relax to after work.
those other drugs arent a problem????? I think more people are dying from that than weed my friend
I take it you live out in the woods somewhere
gromorebud
05-18-2006, 06:28 AM
It'd be great if weed became legal and I can easily go to a store and get weed and peacefully smoke it at home. That's what we all think. But maybe we're thinking for ourselves and just want to get high.
so what's so bad about that?
rantingsweed
05-18-2006, 07:04 AM
that kid that killed himself wasnt because of salvia, it didnt make him kill himself he did it of his own free will. He should have been smart enough to know that he was just on a drug and it wasnt real, his own fault for not being mentally prepared, not the drugs. Salvia has been used for religous and healing purposes for thousands of years, it's not some new killer drug.
And almost every person ive talked to that has tried salvia say they will never do it again.
Also, you should watch the Penn and Teller Bullshit! epsiode about marijuana and pay close attention to Dr. Lesper Grinspoon's part, he believed all the propaganda about marijuana until he actually researched it for himself. Then his son was diagnosed with cancer, and cannabis cured him of his nausea and vomitting from chemo, and he never had it again. It worked the first time he tried it.
Again, NOBODY has ever died from a marijuana overdose.
Who can say what a person can and cannot do with their own body? The only person that should be able to do that is a persons own self.
rantingsweed
05-18-2006, 07:13 AM
oh, and watch the last 4 or so minutes and look at Irvin Rosenfeld(sp?). He smokes marijuana LEGALLY provided by the federal government for bone tumors, he is a very successfull stock broker. There are only 7 patients left that are still provided with legal marijuana from the federal government, and i agree with Irvin, once all those patients are gone the government might just end all things marijuana in america.
Very sad perspective. Your friend's internal strife sounds concerning. I am a professional in the mental health field and would suggest he/she seek counseling. And, for the record, smoking pot is not the root cause of one's laziness, this is a ridiculous badge. The problem is this: the perception that people who smoke pot are airheads is perpetuated because those of us who are high functioning (professionals, educators, civil servants, etc.) cannot admit that we smoke pot! The folks you refer to are folks who lack descretion and would likely act in a similar way if they did't smoke pot.
Pepper
05-18-2006, 10:59 AM
Good post Ms. W.
ringo420
05-18-2006, 12:50 PM
Well I haveread it all, One this plant as all plants were put here for our use now I have to agree with Ms.W I put in 70 hour a week on my feet running all day and eve and I smoke weed every day. I find it calms my ADhD enough that I can focus on multiple areas at once as well and remember them all. Losing your memory from pot not true If One of my sou chefs asks me where something is I can tell them from where I am standing exactly which room which self How foar up all. So if you dont take the time to reserch your opinion from both sides thoughroughly you are still living in ignorance.
Cannabis should be legalised.
We are paying taxes, no one can diaagree. Ok?
Right, well all of that money is being used to arrest people, like us, for smoking cannabis. some are getting longer sentences than some rapists.
Thats sick, the government is wasting our money, putting people behind bars for harming no one.
Cannabis has been proved to have some medicinal valvues, and it can help with energy saving and all the shizzle dizzle that goes along with it.
Cannabis definatly should be legalised. Theres no 2 ways about it.
Your not a pig are you?
gman420
05-18-2006, 01:29 PM
you might find this interesting
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org ;)
harmonicminor
05-18-2006, 02:53 PM
lol for once Lip I agree with ya
I smell bacon
jamstigator
05-18-2006, 04:53 PM
It was only made illegal because of greed and racism, and keeping it illegal keeps the U.S. as the developed country with the highest percentage of incarcerated individuals, many of whom are imprisoned because of non-violent drug charges like possession. If you think about it, an incarcerated person is worse for the country/government/economy than a dead person. The thousands who die from cancer caused by cigarettes or in auto accidents caused by alcohol are DEAD and they don't cost the government anything more than their lost worker productivity. The incarcerated have that cost too PLUS the cost of feeding, clothing, sheltering and guarding them.
There's also the cost of maintaining the drug war. Some studies suggest that cost has reached a trillion dollars now. A trillion dollars! If we'd invested that money in Social Security, then Social Security would be solvent now. Basically, it appears as if we traded the ability to keep our elderly healthy for the ability to imprison more of our young. Nice trade! And what do we have to show for the drug war, anyway? Not much. It's easier to get pot (and most all other drugs too) now than it was when the drug war began. We DO have a ton of people imprisoned now, and that is pretty much all our trillion dollars has bought us. I suppose if you work in the prison security field then the drug war has been a boon, but otherwise...
Cannabis should be treated as alcohol, not worse. Treating it as a Schedule I drug like heroin is simply insane.
The Figment
05-18-2006, 05:57 PM
You Want to get the "Crime" out of drugs? take the money out of the equation...No more Smugglers(Who also carry guns) No More Dealers(Who also sell other and more damaging Substances) No moer "Drug War" (A total Waste of MY Tax Money) No More "Cartels" Ect..You get the point.
If you think some of us dont know what we are talking about,I made my living for many a year sellin,smugglin an doing anything you can think of with weed an acid (You know us Deadheads) Made LOTS of money...Had fun too...Now I have the fuckin Feddys up my Wifes ass fer gettin stopped inna her car with 151 pounds...you think pot shold not be legal? the money spent on the "Drug War" in the last 10 years would buy Everybody in New Orleans A New House!
canucktoker
05-18-2006, 07:16 PM
"In fact, we can't even let alone handle alcohol that we had to push the drinking age to 21. We saved 20,000 lives a year just for doing that."
Hows that? The same percent of 19 year olds drink in america now as in places where its legal. Instead of at the bar, where there are bouncers to ensure some type of safety, kids drink unsupervised in outdoor or house parties. It causes MORE drinking and driving. If i try stumbling out of bar while jingling my keys i get forcably put in cab. No one cares if you leave bush party drunk. No one will stop the fights or the rapes there either. A 21 year old drinking age is moronic, its failed as a law, and only the usa has an age that high.
"Medical? Is there really medical benefits? Or is it just an excuse for potheads and old people to get high?"
Quit being a pawn of the pharmaceutical industry, all their sleeping pills and depression meds dont even come close to the benefits of pot.
"I've read posts from some of you that are trying to bullshit your doctors to get a medical card (YOU know who YOU are!) "
I think most pot use is medicinal. Its a herb, people should be able to use it for anything they want, and not have to justify to you.
"Yet a non smoker from a completely different forum said: "Amsterdam is full of whores and potheads! It's disgusting!" "
Its full of pot heads because its the only place like that on earth. Who cares about hookers? Are you gay? A jesus freak? People want to fuck a hooker go ahead, at least its contained in one area, people in holland dont have crack whores turning tricks in front of their kids school. There was a red lite long before there was a coffee shop, its the oldest profession on earth.
"There's a bad side of everything. We should discuss it. I see way too many threads on people failing and dropping out of school because they skip school and get high. We cannot toss that aside. "
So? Grad school is full of stoners with A averages. Lots of people drop out of school and never touch pot. Pot has nothing to do with you being a failure. It sure helped me acheive success in school. Blame yourself for your own failures, stop scapgoating pot or booze. School in north america is laughably easy.
"Maybe they simply don't want the country to be full of potheads who stay home all the time."
I never stay home. I go to the weed cafe, or just out. Snowboarding, biking, the beach. Stop with the old stereotypes, i know alot of pot heads who are in great shape, the dont stay home eating chips and playing vids.
"It'd be great if weed became legal and I can easily go to a store and get weed and peacefully smoke it at home. That's what we all think. But maybe we're thinking for ourselves and just want to get high. "
No i am thinking i want to take away money from organized crime and get law enforcement to fight real actual crime. Like the murder rape robbery theft, i can think of lots of stuff the cops could be doing. I am also sick of paying for drug war with my taxes, if that makes me greedy, you can kiss my ass. I already have all the weed i want, it wont affect my life to be able to go to store and get it, but there are lots of people who are sick and cant get it.
"It's already all over the news these days. Kids are abusing salvia. Salvia IS becoming an issue. "
Wow you are easy to lead. A few media outlets create an artifical scare about sally d and now its an issue? I havent heard any real citizens act concerned, just politicans and cops. People dont abuse salvia, even people who like it. It sounds nice, but its just media hysteria, and u buy into it, sad.
newactivist
05-18-2006, 08:32 PM
Pride, read www.jackherer.com to get a understanding of why criminalization is a bad idea and always was. Skip through the conspiracy stuff and it has a massive amount of good info. Anyone against the decriminalization of this plant needs to look up a device called the decorticator. Very interesting and informative read.
We also had this same discussion on a board in Nevada. Skipping through it will also give you some basic highlights.
http://apps.nevadaappeal.com/na_polls/story-comments.php?op=Reply&pid=14531&sid=103120063&mode=flat&order=1
newactivist
05-18-2006, 08:33 PM
Oops, wrong link.
http://apps.nevadaappeal.com/na_polls/story-comments.php?sid=103120063&mode=thread&order=0
lol for once Lip I agree with ya
I smell bacon
Oh, im so glad to hear :dance:
notanotherteensmoker
05-18-2006, 09:18 PM
You're misinformed in a lot of areas, my friend. The world does not only smoke tobacco and drink alcohol, there are thousands of people in America that smoke marijuana.
If there are nearly 300 million people in the U.S...
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
and 1 percent are daily users...
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
then that makes MILLIONS of pot smokers. Oh, I get it...if there are millions...then that means there are thousands, too? Pothead logic.
graph
05-18-2006, 09:26 PM
If there are nearly 300 million people in the U.S...
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
and 1 percent are daily users...
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
then that makes MILLIONS of pot smokers. Oh, I get it...if there are millions...then that means there are thousands, too? Pothead logic.
Technically, yeah. There's only 3 millions, but 3000 thousands.
Taking my entire post and only finding one problem with it? You have much work to do, my friend. Nitpicking about one word? You're above that.
t3chyo
05-18-2006, 09:43 PM
"In fact, we can't even let alone handle alcohol that we had to push the drinking age to 21. We saved 20,000 lives a year just for doing that."
Hows that? The same percent of 19 year olds drink in america now as in places where its legal. Instead of at the bar, where there are bouncers to ensure some type of safety, kids drink unsupervised in outdoor or house parties. It causes MORE drinking and driving. If i try stumbling out of bar while jingling my keys i get forcably put in cab. No one cares if you leave bush party drunk. No one will stop the fights or the rapes there either. A 21 year old drinking age is moronic, its failed as a law, and only the usa has an age that high.
"Medical? Is there really medical benefits? Or is it just an excuse for potheads and old people to get high?"
Quit being a pawn of the pharmaceutical industry, all their sleeping pills and depression meds dont even come close to the benefits of pot.
"I've read posts from some of you that are trying to bullshit your doctors to get a medical card (YOU know who YOU are!) "
I think most pot use is medicinal. Its a herb, people should be able to use it for anything they want, and not have to justify to you.
"Yet a non smoker from a completely different forum said: "Amsterdam is full of whores and potheads! It's disgusting!" "
Its full of pot heads because its the only place like that on earth. Who cares about hookers? Are you gay? A jesus freak? People want to fuck a hooker go ahead, at least its contained in one area, people in holland dont have crack whores turning tricks in front of their kids school. There was a red lite long before there was a coffee shop, its the oldest profession on earth.
"There's a bad side of everything. We should discuss it. I see way too many threads on people failing and dropping out of school because they skip school and get high. We cannot toss that aside. "
So? Grad school is full of stoners with A averages. Lots of people drop out of school and never touch pot. Pot has nothing to do with you being a failure. It sure helped me acheive success in school. Blame yourself for your own failures, stop scapgoating pot or booze. School in north america is laughably easy.
"Maybe they simply don't want the country to be full of potheads who stay home all the time."
I never stay home. I go to the weed cafe, or just out. Snowboarding, biking, the beach. Stop with the old stereotypes, i know alot of pot heads who are in great shape, the dont stay home eating chips and playing vids.
"It'd be great if weed became legal and I can easily go to a store and get weed and peacefully smoke it at home. That's what we all think. But maybe we're thinking for ourselves and just want to get high. "
No i am thinking i want to take away money from organized crime and get law enforcement to fight real actual crime. Like the murder rape robbery theft, i can think of lots of stuff the cops could be doing. I am also sick of paying for drug war with my taxes, if that makes me greedy, you can kiss my ass. I already have all the weed i want, it wont affect my life to be able to go to store and get it, but there are lots of people who are sick and cant get it.
"It's already all over the news these days. Kids are abusing salvia. Salvia IS becoming an issue. "
Wow you are easy to lead. A few media outlets create an artifical scare about sally d and now its an issue? I havent heard any real citizens act concerned, just politicans and cops. People dont abuse salvia, even people who like it. It sounds nice, but its just media hysteria, and u buy into it, sad.
excellent post!:thumbsup:
surfinrocco
05-18-2006, 11:17 PM
Pride if your a cop, fuck yourself, my name is Bryan Rocco and i'm waiting for you,got a bullet with any pigs name on it. Because i'm not harming anyone bu myself, the statistics are against you my friend, hundreds thousands die from drinking, and tobacco. Not since marijuanas history or beginning has anyone died of smoking it. Because you are a fool,shouldn't voice your opinion on here. MY question is what is someone who doesn't smoke weed doing on a pro weed site. IF your a pig, suck on this. Because i sell alot of pounds a month, and i do it invain, knowing full well that no one is gonna get hooked or die from weed. I grow pounds of weed and sell them, its what i do for a living, and i'm not afraid of you are the DEA. Sorry if i was rude man but you gotta realize, none of us just sit at home all day doing nothing, i graduated school and now i'm in college, so fuck what you think about pothheads. It hurts and insults my intelligence when someone like you comes around shaking your hands saying "oh no don't do drugs" fuck you if your so pathetic minded that you saw that DARE commercial and believed it,people that are 13 years old are smoking. And this country is starting to except weed and will. And when it is legalized people will be to stoned to kill eachother. Its a solution to many problems, oh yah fuck pigs.
peace i'm out, this is ridiculous, i've gotta smoke a joint to come down.
notanotherteensmoker
05-18-2006, 11:17 PM
Technically, yeah. There's only 3 millions, but 3000 thousands.
Taking my entire post and only finding one problem with it? You have much work to do, my friend. Nitpicking about one word? You're above that.
What work to do? What friend? Above what?
You confidently stated a misleading fact. It's not nitpicking to point out the difference between thousands and millions of people when it goes hand in hand with democratic movement to change laws.
graph
05-18-2006, 11:33 PM
What work to do? What friend? Above what?
You confidently stated a misleading fact. It's not nitpicking to point out the difference between thousands and millions of people when it goes hand in hand with democratic movement to change laws.
Most of it is nothing but hearsay and jumbled facts. You could prove me much more wrong, and I want you to. Do a little bit of work, we'll both appreciate it.
Confidently? Misleading? The difference between thousands and millions is enough to note, but it was nowhere near the main point of my post. That's like pointing out the "more perfect union" mistake in the Preamble. I'm actually a really humble guy, I don't think I know everything, and when I learn a new fact, I'm glad to spread the knowledge. Thanks for noting my mistake, I'll make sure to clear it up in the future.
In my second post I was playing around with you. Loosen up a little bit, let's have fun on these boards. Thanks for actually reading my post though, I think you may be the only one who did.
surfinrocco
05-18-2006, 11:38 PM
Dude heres something that will show what prides about
Rage Against the MAchine
"They say jump you say how high
your brain dead you got a fuckin bullet in ya head"
IronLung
05-19-2006, 01:19 AM
Your points are legit; I take them into consideration. Unfortunately, with the government, thatâ??s not the case. Do you honestly think that our government cares about the well being of its citizens? No, they revolve around economics. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY! One third of the governmentâ??s profit is from drug fines. Marijuana, the most popular of prohibited substances, is a large source of their revenue. If marijuana becomes legal, that puts a big dent in the governmentâ??s annual income. For example, in my state, if youâ??re caught manufacturing 200 grams or less of marijuana (which means the whole plant matter), the maximum fine is 25,000 dollars. Now, do you think the government is for legalization? I think you get my point.
Were you informed of the powers of THC? THC stops the growth of cancer cells in three common cancers: leukemia, breast, and prostate cancer. THC was the active chemical in half of all medications in the U.S. during the period of 1800â??s-1940â??s. No negative side effects were reported. Marijuana has many other medicinal as well. Not to mention, it has been clinically proven safer than acetaminophen (Tylenol). Then thereâ??s the argument that the smoke contains harmful chemicals. Well guess what? You donâ??t need to smoke it!
darthvader1984
05-19-2006, 02:26 AM
I argee with surfinrocco anyone thinks weed should not legalized should be hunted down and killed and fuck police
Long live marijuana!!!!
darthvader1984
05-19-2006, 02:34 AM
I argee with surfinrocco anyone who thinks weed should not legalized should be hunted down and killed and fuck police
Long live marijuana!!!!
Pride
05-19-2006, 08:19 AM
I thought I stated that I'm not for keeping it illegal.. But not sure if I'm totally for legalizing it. But I'm really more on the legalize it side.
Rocco, I am a DEA and I can easily trace your IP address. I will report you and your door will be broken down and we will arrest you.
No I'm kidding.
I just wanted to bring up every possible anti-weed issue I collected and just discuss it. Chill dude and send me some of that shit you're growing! :rasta:
Chill everyone.
I don't like the police either. I guess some are cool i dunno but the last time I trusted them when my house was robbed they ignored my case and the robber still roams free robbing more people which has actually already happened. It's a long story and I don't want to fuckin explain it..
long story short:
Was robbed, called cops, they told me to go fuck myself (not literally, but i got the message). But really they said they have better crimes to solve like murders and stuff and they don't wanna solve a robbery case.
NY cops are fuckin lazy.
Jesus christ people stop calling me a cop. I've been here long enough and posted great info and good shit that you just had to suddenly turn around about me.
But let's not talk about my robbery tragedy and cops, I want to hear more stuff from you guys. Good post IronLung. You too canuck.
Pride
05-19-2006, 08:26 AM
Oh, Rocco hates me cause he's new here and never saw me before.
I forgive.
Bong30
05-19-2006, 03:50 PM
some type of pork product...... wyanes world......
Bong30
05-19-2006, 03:52 PM
Oh, Rocco hates me cause he's new here and never saw me before.
I forgive.
who the fuck is rocco
that what im saying
newactivist
05-19-2006, 04:35 PM
Actually, the main reason we don't like police is that the drug laws are being used against us and the police are just the visible aspect of it. If drugs were decriminalized most of the animosity towards officers would evaperate, until we get a speeding ticket anyway!
Check this out. In the May 2006 article of Popular Mechanics I read an article called "The Truth About Biofuels" that had a couple interesting facts. I quote:
Ethanol: "One acre of corn will produce 300 gallons of ethanol per growing season. So, in order to replace that 200 billion gallons of petroleum products, American farmers would need to dedicate 675 million acres, or 71% of the nations 938 million acres of farmland, to growing feedstock." Fact: Industrial hemp will produce over 1000 gallons per acre of ethanol in a growing season. This equates to roughly 23% of our farmland to replace petrochemicals. The increase in efficiency attained by utilizing hemp makes this process economically viable all by itself. Also, hemp doesn't need pesticides and herbicides like corn, making it even more environmentally friendly.
Biodiesel: "Pure biodiesel, B100, costs about $3.50- roughly a dollar more per gallon than petrol diesel." Fact: This figure was made using corn or soybeans as the stock for the fuel. Give it a 400% increase in efficiency by switching to hemp and the price, at the pump and environmentally, means that biodiesel would cost far less than todayâ??s petrol diesel.
Pride
05-19-2006, 06:01 PM
who the fuck is rocco
surfiinrocco.
Anyway, I used to be cool with the police until the whole 'ignoring my robbery case' thing.
I find that mostly potheads dislike the police because since weed makes us crinimals, they treat us like actual crinimals.
But even as a pothead, I still didn't dislike the police (until I stumbled over the legal section of the forum lol). I guess you gotta truely experience a cop situation to finally hate them.
After reading threads from the legal section, I started hating them a lot more ever since I was robbed.
surfinrocco
05-19-2006, 09:43 PM
Pride just wanted to appologize for my rambling earlier. Man when i get these plants up tall enuf, to cut i will surely send you some man, def gotta do that, i feel at home here, not to many people smoke at my home town, and now i'm with only people who do.
psychocat
05-19-2006, 10:51 PM
1 Cannabis is for most of us an illegal substance. Therefore the use of it makes you a criminal! Accept that and the fact that you will be punished for using it till the law changes. When you light up you are breaking the law.
2 We all have freedom of choice, this means that our actions with all the consequences are ours alone.
3 Nobody can ever blame something for how they are since the choice and option to change lies with us all.
I hate cop outs who refuse to accept the consequences , the lame excuses of "but it should be legal" ,, yeah I agree it should be,, but it isn't, LIVE WITH IT!
How many of you here have actualy done anything to get the law changed (do you write to your congressman?) or is it a case of bitching from the comfort of your armchair?
As for those who are so anti cop I challenge any of you to do the job any better (I expect a lot of BS and bravado from certain individuals) and don't forget it isn't all donuts and car chases.
Could you tell the family of a murdered child thier daughter or son wasn't ever coming home again, how about if you were first officer on the scene at a gruesome rape and murder??
Who would even want to deal with the pond scum and lowlifes that populate our world (paedophiles,rapists,mass murderers) never mind how tough it must be not to just put a bullet through certain maggots.
msactech1
05-20-2006, 12:44 AM
It's perfectly legal at my house.
I smoke it all the time.
:twocents: :stoned:
Pride
05-20-2006, 03:16 AM
WE GOT HIM!!!!
HOLY SHIT AFTER TALKING ABOUT MY ROBBERY TRAGEDY MY DAD CALLED ME TODAY AND TOLD ME THEY CAUGHT HIM!
AFTER 5 MONTHS OF LIVING WITH A HORRIBLE NEED FOR VENGEANCE THEY FINALLY GOT HIM!!!!!
Sorry, I'm just really excited. The robber really pissed off my dad.
I guess I should tell the story now..
My friend brings over a friend that turns out he barely knew. That friend he barely knew ended up robbing me while my friend and I were busy chilling in my room. I guess it's my fault that I didn't keep an eye on him but my friend said he was cool so I trusted him...
The robber took my shit and long story short, he left and I never saw him again.
So all we had was his cell phone number... We went to the police and filed a whole report but they didn't really care. They never called us back and didn't do a thing for a long time. We stopped and just hired a new detective who was nice but he was still delaying like crazy. Long story short: after 5 months of living without a vengeance with nothing but a cell number that my father would call everyday to piss him off and yell at him, the detective simply did a reverse phone book look up on the cell number and found who the bill of the phone was going to (his mother). So the detective goes to the mother's home and finds the mom and the robber together. The robber was handcuffed and taken to the station while his mother was watching! FUCKER!
He was ID'd, finger printed, THE WHOLE 9 YARDS!
But he was let go and I have to come next week to identify him.
Either the robber can move to another country and change his whole indentity or just go to JAIL! BEEYOTCH!
Man the police finally gained some face for once.
Dudes of the forum, as much as you hate the popo for busting your weed asses, there's gonna be a time where you need them to track down the people that hurt you when you have something as little as just a cell phone number that another person is paying the bills for yet still manage to catch the culprit.
Markay
07-03-2006, 03:19 PM
I have a friend who likes to smoke up but actually he hates the living shit out of weed and thinks its ruining the world (he continues to smoke cause he's addicted).
Your friend isnt addicted, he wants an excuse for getting stoned all day and his life not going well.
Moderation is the key, if you smoke all day everyday to forget your problems you are no better than an alcoholic.
the only reason that it is illegal is because big business can't find a way to monopolize it. they are who run the country not the government.
if we cannabis users could convince the major food manufactures that legalizing marijuana would be good for their profits, (we all know how much the average human can devour when we get the muncies) then maybe we would have a chance. its not about it being "harmful" or bad for you, its about who's making money off it.
oh and about this,
Dudes of the forum, as much as you hate the popo for busting your weed asses, there's gonna be a time where you need them to track down the people that hurt you when you have something as little as just a cell phone number that another person is paying the bills for yet still manage to catch the culprit.
yeh probably not going to happen. the police aren't around to protect and serve, they're just there to protect the banks for the fortune 500 companies.
Methyl3
07-08-2006, 11:01 PM
I have a friend who likes to smoke up but actually he hates the living shit out of weed and thinks its ruining the world (he continues to smoke cause he's addicted). I decided to post his opinions but mine as well.
Anyway, we already have tobacco and alcohol problems in this country. Why should we legalize another drug? This country is well known for being stupid with drugs and abusing drugs. Do we really need another drug to legalize?
Freedom of choice? It's gonna cost this country a lot just to do so.
Medical? Is there really medical benefits? Or is it just an excuse for potheads and old people to get high?
If medical weed is legalized, then people can cure their back problems while at work. It's not like their back pains won't return. Then they'll be too stoned to work and it'll all be legal and will cause a slow down in this country.
Expensive pills not working? Side effects?
He thinks that patients are lying and just want weed to get high.
As harsh as it sounds, we cannot just ignore these things.
I've read posts from some of you that are trying to bullshit your doctors to get a medical card (YOU know who YOU are!)
Statistics in other countries?
One pot head said "Look at Amsterdam, they're doing fine!"
Yet a non smoker from a completely different forum said: "Amsterdam is full of whores and potheads! It's disgusting!"
Plus, we're not Amsterdam. In fact, we can't even let alone handle alcohol that we had to push the drinking age to 21. We saved 20,000 lives a year just for doing that.
Many of you think the government just wants money, doesn't want us to know the truth, etc. But perhaps they're keeping weed illegal for a perfectly better reason than what you think. Maybe they simply don't want the country to be full of potheads who stay home all the time. I admit they go out of control sometimes, but so can potheads anyway.
I am not for keeping it illegal, or legalizing it. But rather I'm just a curious George asking questions. Don't be mad and flame me, but rather try to think and reason. All I see are 'LEGALIZE IT' threads, but there's never a topic that questions the bad parts of weed. There's a bad side of everything. We should discuss it. I see way too many threads on people failing and dropping out of school because they skip school and get high. We cannot toss that aside.
It'd be great if weed became legal and I can easily go to a store and get weed and peacefully smoke it at home. That's what we all think. But maybe we're thinking for ourselves and just want to get high.
Maybe we should look at the bigger picture?
Please reply and tell me your thoughts.
Again keep in mind, I'm not for legalizing, nor for keeping it illegal. But I think this is a very important topic to discuss.
Another thing though, this is probably like posting why pirating stuff is ok on a warez forum. But I still want your opinions.
Thanks.
Without going into a 5 page discertation let me just make this point. Some of us in society think "people just smoke pot to get high...". Some do and some smoke it for it's medicinal purposes, but what does it matter if someone smokes it to get high. I sports all of my life (up till the colliegate level) because I loved the HIGH (rush) that you get when you suceed. Scoring a touchdown, hitting a triple....these are all ways of exciting our conscious beings. You think Lance armstrong went through all of what he did just to get the trophys?! Hell no....he got a physical rush from accomplishing these feats.
If you look at society, most people do something in order to stimulate themselves (get high in a way). When the stimulus for you to feel good starts to have negative personal and societal implications then it must be looked at carefully and somehow regulated. As far as I have known the only societal problems that arise from MJ is from its imposed illegality which raises all kinds of societal problems, some taking generations to possibly resolve and return to status quo.
Like anything else in this world, MJ should be regulated to an extent. Children should not be given free reign on open cannabis use as they are not mental formed yet. They are learning abstract thought processes and the ability to make rational decisions. In an optimal situation, they would have nothing clouding there development, but thats not real; life and kids will be just like adults.....finding ways to, in essence, get "high" and relieve some of the stresses that this human enviroment throws upon us.
Methyl3
07-08-2006, 11:11 PM
Without going into a 5 page discertation let me just make this point. Some of us in society think "people just smoke pot to get high...". Some do and some smoke it for it's medicinal purposes, but what does it matter if someone smokes it to get high. I sports all of my life (up till the colliegate level) because I loved the HIGH (rush) that you get when you suceed. Scoring a touchdown, hitting a triple....these are all ways of exciting our conscious beings. You think Lance armstrong went through all of what he did just to get the trophys?! Hell no....he got a physical rush from accomplishing these feats.
If you look at society, most people do something in order to stimulate themselves (get high in a way). When the stimulus for you to feel good starts to have negative personal and societal implications then it must be looked at carefully and somehow regulated. As far as I have known the only societal problems that arise from MJ is from its imposed illegality which raises all kinds of societal problems, some taking generations to possibly resolve and return to status quo.
Like anything else in this world, MJ should be regulated to an extent. Children should not be given free reign on open cannabis use as they are not mental formed yet. They are learning abstract thought processes and the ability to make rational decisions. In an optimal situation, they would have nothing clouding there development, but thats not real; life and kids will be just like adults.....finding ways to, in essence, get "high" and relieve some of the stresses that this human enviroment throws upon us.
Sorry...had to edit it and it wouldn't let me.
Without going into a 5 page discertation let me just make this point. Some of us in society think "people just smoke pot to get high...". Some do and some smoke it for it's medicinal purposes, but what does it matter if someone smokes it to get high. I played sports all of my life (up till the colliegate level) because I loved the HIGH (rush) that you get when you suceed. Scoring a touchdown, hitting a triple....these are all ways of exciting our conscious beings. You think Lance armstrong went through all of what he did just to get the trophys?! Hell no....he got a physical rush from accomplishing these feats.
If you look at society, most people do something in order to stimulate themselves (get high in a way). Mountain climbers, sky divers, extreme sking etc are all done in order to feel that rush. The problem is when the stimulus for you to feel good starts to have negative personal and societal implications then it must be looked at carefully and somehow regulated. Even athletes who will win at all costs...this is just as destructive as some drugs. As far as I have known the only societal problems that arise from MJ is from its imposed illegality which raises all kinds of societal problems, some taking generations to possibly resolve and return to status quo.
Like anything else in this world, MJ should be regulated to an extent. Children should not be given free reign on open cannabis use as they are not mentally formed yet. They are learning abstract thought processes and the ability to make rational decisions. In an optimal enviroment they would have nothing clouding there development, but thats not real; life and kids will be just like adults.....finding ways to, in essence, get "high" and relieve some of the stresses that this human enviroment throws upon us.
As far as lethargy at work.....that could very well be an issue in an industrial/capitalistic society such as ours. I have to ask though.....where are you going? Do we need to work like mice or monkeys? Whether your religous or not.....did god lay a prerequisite that you had to work like animals in order to suceed? IMHO....we are all destined to be recycled. Enjoy life while your here because before you know it its all gone.
Dutch Masta
07-09-2006, 07:35 PM
It shouldn't be legal for a lot of reasons. That doesen't mean you shouldn't smoke it though.
rainbows.rsexy
07-09-2006, 11:34 PM
because sum people need an excuse to go to jail so they can rape people
Plant Master
07-14-2006, 06:08 PM
Listen Marajawana has no physicaly addictive properties, any addiction is purley psychological and should be addressed with phyciatric help. Everyone please take this into serious account.
kingjustin
07-14-2006, 09:06 PM
Canuctoker owned this thread. Case closed.
dank ass nugs
07-14-2006, 09:29 PM
To o.d. on weed you have to smoke you body weight and thats exactly why NOONE will ever o.d. on weed. And kids failing school that is fixable by putting a age limit of 21 on it then kids wont have it and stop selling at 9 o'clock and big business have thousands of way to profit from weed
Clothing,high people have MUNCHIES,selling the weed. And crack and herion aren't a problem sorry but FUCK YOU i am the son of a guy who just recently got out of rehab for CRACK so i know that its a huge fucking problem. THere were days at a time we didnt eat,i had the same torn ass clothes for years,I had to spend winters in a house without HEAT and thats in WI. were talking 5degrees inside and you have no money to get new blankets or clean old ones,I had to cook everything i owned in a microwave because of no gas, we had to go to my grandparents to go to the bathroom and shower because the pipes burst and we were to poor to fix them, My grandparents got a restraining order on my father because he borrowed over 80,000 dollars from them in a few years just to buy crack. THat runs rampid in many citys NOW you live through that and say crack aint a problem fuck that all crack dealers caught should not get prison they should be shot!!!
zero2104
07-14-2006, 10:38 PM
i heard that amsterdam does have prostitutes but they are in like stores and u can choose which one u want and they r checked motnhly for HIV and AIDS and shit like that
hossua34
07-16-2006, 11:49 PM
It's not like it's hard for me to get weed as it is... that's why I'm all for it being legal. It would be easier to get and less expensive. And all the money from it wouldn't go to smugglers and dealers.
Just look at what's been done to tobacco, through lawsuits. Most packs I buy have an "Information for Smokers" leaflet in it, with quit hotlines and techniques, etc. That could be done for weed also, through sales taxes. As it now stands, if you have a weed problem, the only "treatment" you're likely to get is jail or probation. I don't think it's even a question if it should be legalized... and I say why on my site\/
the bryan.
07-18-2006, 04:42 AM
you guys make some really good points, and i think its cool to find people like you that are actually serious and know your facts enough to prove people wrong or right.
in my opinion, i think in about 10-20, maybe 30 years tops, when EVERYONE in the gov is more from our own generation-ish is when the leagalization of marijuana will be considered much more seriouslly and much more thuroghlly.. i wish i could spell.
anyways, i think weed should be leagalized for all of the same reasons as everyone else in here... the only thing i worry about are that there are some people out there that when they get high, they are just plain stupid... i dont mean, annoying stupid.. like stupid to where they do stupid things and get themselves and everyone around them in trouble... but hell,theyre still not as bad as drunks... at least they have some mind control left if theyll just sit n chill for a minute.... if everyone would just chill out and stuff and be at peace with one another, i think the leagalization of weed would be pretty easy to come by... but that sounds liek a pretty far fetched dream to me, what do you think? haha
i think the main problem is stubborn people. the people im mainly talking about right now is the vast majority of the people against pot: those who have never smoked it. they take in everything that the gov and other non-pot smokers exagerate and think that pot is nothing but a horrible,permanantly mind altering, hunger-inducing stupid persons drug. if those people would smoke a bowl with a good pot smoking friend of theirs( seriouslly, almost ANYONE has at least one friend who smokes pot... ), they would most likeley be for it, or at least not against it, from that point on.
in the end, or in awhile, there will be too many people with pot smoking it or possesing it or whatever for it to even be possible to afford keeping it illeagal.
im not sure, but some of that might of been kind of nonsence, but alot of it made sence haha.. anyway... good posts everyone else lol
psychocat
07-18-2006, 10:06 AM
Respect those that do and those that don't, after all it is a choice,I can understand the anti-smoking lobby simply on the basis that smoking anything is BAD for you.
It's my choice to continue doing something I know is illegal and most probably damaging my lungs, I know the risks and I know the benifits.
PieEyedPiper
07-18-2006, 04:48 PM
Alcohol related deaths in Australia = 7,000 / annum.
Cannabis related deaths in Australia = 0 / annum.
smitty420
07-18-2006, 08:05 PM
It is definetly in the United states best interest to legalize bud. I mean think about it, all the money used on DEA and drug offenders in jail would be used for other tthings. They would impose an excise tax on it much like tobacco and alcohol products hwich owuld also help raise money. I still am shocked that cannabis is illegal and i dont see how it is beneficial to the government or the population at all
jamstigator
07-18-2006, 08:37 PM
The DEA would have to downsize, and they don't want to do that. The prison system would end up with unused buildings and unemployed guards, and they don't want that. And the puritanical conservatives, who now rule the country, don't want anything to do with drugs, sex, homosexuality, stem cells, abortion, and so on. While you or I might say that smoking a joint in your own home is a victimless crime, the puritans would say that's not true, and that you are the victim, and must be protected from yourself. Whether you like it or not.
It's sort of funny to see the conservative base deal with this issue, because normally conservatives want less/smaller government, but when it comes to these issues they want more government, lots more government. Which is hypocrisy, of course, and I love calling them on it.
smitty420
07-18-2006, 08:47 PM
It's sort of funny to see the conservative base deal with this issue, because normally conservatives want less/smaller government, but when it comes to these issues they want more government, lots more government. Which is hypocrisy, of course, and I love calling them on it.[/QUOTE]
quoted for the mother fucking truth, i have nothign against republicans or evenconservatives, just hypocritical ones
EDIT: i fucked up quoting jammista my bad
andruejaysin
07-19-2006, 05:00 AM
I hope they don't legalize it, I'd have to get a real job.
LordSmaug
07-19-2006, 01:19 PM
I thought I stated that I'm not for keeping it illegal.. But not sure if I'm totally for legalizing it. But I'm really more on the legalize it side.
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IN other words, you're riding the fence? What a supreme lack of balls. Not to mention a lack the extreme lack of Truth. Your friends "Addicted" to weed eh? Has he ever sucked some dick for a bowl? He could quit, he's just being a bitch/ doesn't want to.
RoguePoet28
07-19-2006, 06:14 PM
heck...organized crime has a strong incentive to keep it illegal...they too would have to find other ways to make money if pot were legalized...
it's like seeing the casino lobby getting congress to ban internet poker and gambling...they are opposed to anyone else making money in their core business, but are happy to let people lose money in their casinos....
nescient.punk
07-19-2006, 11:49 PM
Yeah, legalize it so it will cost more, taste worse, and be less potent. Government-operated coporations mass-producing a thin brown version of the Holy plant. Sounds delightful.
LordSmaug
07-20-2006, 12:07 PM
I'm sure that you could go to a specialty smoke shop and buy local growers Hydroponics or whatever... just like with Tobacco now.
smitty420
07-20-2006, 06:22 PM
why would mass production cause the price to rise/ and wat would stop u from buying your own seeds and having a massive growing operation in your hosue, it would be legal if marijuana is legalized
smokinbass
07-30-2006, 08:57 PM
Once again the logic train leaves the station.
What is all this non-scense that if pot was legal, goverment run corps would charge more for less quality?
If all the great growers in this country could legally come out of the closet (pun intended) how great would thier weed be?? and how plentiful?
Plus, there would be much more grown by honest organic farmers who can grow under the sun and not have to charge outragious dollars to compensate for electric bills and the cost of growing out of sight of the law.
cottage industries are good for the economy... its a win/win situation.
psychocat
07-30-2006, 10:47 PM
Most likely there would be a tax.
Markass
08-03-2006, 01:46 PM
Alcohol and tobacco are deadly, legal substances. You cannot compare marijuana to them. Marijuana is a natural plant that still grows wild in the united states, and it was made illegal not because of scientific facts or because it was killing people, but because Harry J. Anslinger hated mexicans. And he, throughout his lifetime, spreaded lies and hatrid for marijuana, and shaped how people still feel today about it today. If the government will let us smoke cigarettes and drink beer, (things that are proven to cause death), why can't the people who don't want to do that, smoke pot?
There are proven medicinal values from cannabis, and studies are continuing to be furthered.
Pills are expensive, and most of the time they do not work effectively. I have never been able to rely on presciption pain medication myself, because all it does is knock your ass out; pot doesn't do that, it gives me pain relief and an altered state of mind that I'm capable of still functioning in. Pills are highly addictive, so is alcohol, so is nicotine. Marijuana isn't. Smoking marijuana is a habit. These other things are addictions.
The state of California saved nearly $1 dollars from 1976-1985 by decriminalizing the personal possession of one ounce of marijuana. Taxpayers annually spend between $7.5 billion and $10 billion dollars arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana violations. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for marijuana possession only.
The soft vs hard drug policy in the Netherlands is quite effective, and they save a lot of money by not targeting potheads for jailing.
I'm entitled to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and I would like to do this by smoking pot because I like to smoke it over anything else.
Tobacco causes cancer, alcohol damages your liver and kills your brain cells, marijuana grows in the soil and produces something that won't give you cancer or eliminate your brain cells and make you stupid. God gave it to us, man took it away.
Pride, you really don't know what the hell you're talking about and should probably tell your friend that pot isn't addictive and if he doesn't like it then he should stop buying it.
jamstigator
08-03-2006, 02:19 PM
"The state of California saved nearly $1 dollars from 1976-1985..."
Wow, they saved a whole dollar? ;)
Delta9 UK
08-03-2006, 04:00 PM
There are international treaties preventing the UK from "Legalising" cannabis.
However a de-criminalised approach would probably be best - like in the Netherlands.
I just got back from Amsterdam and I must admit that smoking a pure rolled 2 gram joint in front of the police was most entertaining.
But seriously, it would disenfranchise a large segment of the black market in the UK. Money which currently funds prostitution, further organised crime and guess what....
terrorism (I hope Tony Blair reads this :))
But we don't have a government that seems interested in that right now ;)
Aaron385
08-03-2006, 04:00 PM
Yup.. im all about the financials.. legalize it.. free up some jail cells to put real criminals in.. and then tax the living shit out of it.. that way home growers still have the ball.. but marlboro can make packs of their already devised pot cigarettes so if you run dry you can stop by walmart and stock up.. then just take all that extra tax collected from pot smokers and pay off the national debt.. simple as 1. 2. 3.!
orangeman
08-03-2006, 05:24 PM
You know I agree with you except for with 2 things. Marijuana does have medicinal benefits. Of course there are potheads that say this just because they wanna get high, I admit, I'm one of 'em..but if this werent so then why would the government supply patients with marijuana joints? Did you know about this? They arent doing it for fun, marijuana really has benefits. Secondly marijuana has been used for thousands of years with no side effects or extreme health problem later down the line while yet we have pills that these doctors make that kill people each year. Harmless?? (thanks anti-pot commercials for that line). Secondly if marijuana was legalized we wouldnt have so many curious kids gettin fucked up or soft people gettin fucked over by having to go to these shady dealers to get a fuckin plant that was never meant to be in their hands. Marijuana should be sold by people like me, some one to care and love for it, not here for the money but to spread the love with paranoia-free customers. Leave the crack and meth to those dirty dealers. Marijuana is not suppose to be in that category if you ask me (yes I do take marijuana very seriously). So if you ask me I do believe marijuana should be legalized so innocent people like me dont have to worry about going to prison with hard-time criminals. The only thing I'm guilty for is breaking the law, If marijuana is really harmful then I'm not hurtin no-bo-de...but my bo-dee...Is that a crime? I havent stole, I havent killed, I havent broke any of commandments that God set in the Bible, infact I'm using one of the many plants that I believe God meant for us to use (look at my sig). Probably not to smoke, probably made to eat but I'm still consuming it. So America needs to stop with the bull shit.
Purple Banana
08-10-2006, 12:10 AM
I highly (pun intended) doubt your friend is truly "addicted" to pot; that's like an addiction to caffeine, mild, but unpleasant to get rid of. Anyway, most American are addicted to caffeine. Second of all, who the hell are you to say a lot of people with chronic pain are using it just for fun? Have you ever had chronic pain, AIDS, or cancer? I have chronic pain, and the so-called addiction of cannabis is MUCH less damaging to someone's body than a hard-core addiction to opiate pain killers. It truly does help my pain, and who are you, or ANYONE to deny me that? I am an intelligent young woman in college, with a 3.8 GPA, and a good-paying job, and I don't fit the GOVERMENT-FORCED steriotype of a video game-playing "stoner" who smokes pot every day, irresponsibly. That steriotype applies to those few in high school who use it irresponsibly because they lack education on it. I was reading in my monthy nursing journals (Mom's a doctor, dad's a nurse, and they both approve) and there was an article that polled doctors in residency and practice who have used cannabis in the past month, and the figures were somewhere around 55% for those who have smoked it; those who polled yes who have been practicing for over 10 years have had less lawsuits and stress-related medical conditions than those who didn't smoke cannabis. To ask if cannabis should be legalized is completely useless, ESPECIALLY in this message board. You seem really flip floppy on the subject.
Fan o KmK
08-10-2006, 05:21 AM
ok i read the first sentence and stopped. ur friends addicted to weed....hahah except for the part where thats impossible.
Markass
08-10-2006, 01:18 PM
I live in a small town and I know two people who are doctors here that are pot smokers...nothing wrong with them.
stonedaged
08-13-2006, 10:30 AM
decriminalization is the way forward
Markass
08-13-2006, 06:18 PM
Yeah, legalize it so it will cost more, taste worse, and be less potent. Government-operated coporations mass-producing a thin brown version of the Holy plant. Sounds delightful.
Hmm...Too bad it's a plant and you can grow whatever kind of marijuana you want whereever you want?
Smokalotxxx
08-18-2006, 12:47 PM
Grown people should have the right to choose whats better for them. Prescrition drugs kill but are legal so as tobacco and alcohol. Depression kills too. Marijuana is the safest drug i ever used.:rasta:
If you dont want to do it just dont do! And remember: Stupid people blaming drugs for their problems will always be there. Think for yourself!!!:thumbsup:
Captain Hanks
08-18-2006, 07:28 PM
Grown people should have the right to choose whats better for them. Prescrition drugs kill but are legal so as tobacco and alcohol. Depression kills too. Marijuana is the safest drug i ever used.:rasta:
If you dont want to do it just dont do! And remember: Stupid people blaming drugs for their problems will always be there. Think for yourself!!!:thumbsup:
yes indeed, you must think for yourself and do your own reseach rather than listening to people and propoganda (which is not science)
kingwussa
08-18-2006, 11:28 PM
listen here you non pot smokin fags out there why the fuck do have an account for this site if you dont smoke budd why the fuck would you even post such a stupid as comment on that your budy who is addicted is a weak person and prolly a queer marijuana is a mental addiction if you are mentally addicted =very east to stop its all in the brain lift some weights queer
FAllout
08-19-2006, 05:19 AM
Those drugs are even worse but not enough people abuse them anyway which is why they're not that big of a problem.
Did enough people smoke weed in the past?
Not enough people smoke salvia. If people smoked as much salvia as they did with weed, then it would be an issue. Oh wait, it is, isn't it? There's already an issue with that kid commiting suicide. That's just a start.
It's already all over the news these days. Kids are abusing salvia. Salvia IS becoming an issue.
What is NY doing right now? They're making it illegal.
Soon the whole country might do that.
I believe it wasn't until way later that weed became an issue and too many people started abusing it. Nowadays we smoke weed a whole lot more than we used to.
Wow Im guan go buy a shit laod tommarow then.
Hell if they make it illegal im guan buy as much as I can then sell it in a year or two for three times what I paied!
FAllout
08-19-2006, 05:21 AM
I look at it like this...
The american government know it dosent do half the shit they put in those adds.
so why dont they legalize it and regualte it. Yeah it might cost twice as much but you would be sure to get the best stuff and we could proboly get out of our trillion$ defacit :dance:
jamstigator
08-19-2006, 09:01 AM
Salvia is already classified as a Schedule I drug where I am, along with heroin and the like. So if you want to try it, and it's still legal where you are, I'd recommend you try it soon, before it's illegal everywhere. I was bummed out to discover that; I was gonna go to a nursery and buy some plants, but now I can't.
AsianStoner420
04-21-2007, 10:04 PM
There is absofuckinglutely no reason why it shouldnt be legalized. Compared to other narcotics and not to mention hard drugs like coke,etc, cannabis is just gonna look like nothing. If the government is really gonna think about it Tabacco and Alcohol is more harmful than cannabis I mean for example,there are thousands of japanese died bcoz of smoking tabacco related deasease in every year while there is no man ever died from cannabis, not even a single one. All you get when you smoked cannabis is a hungry stomach and a relaxing soothness feeling while hard drugs/alcohol/narcotics make you wanna stab your mom on the eye and do crazy shits on yourself,..
AsianStoner420
04-22-2007, 12:10 AM
The government doesn't care that it hasn't killed anybody, they've slaughtered more people than any other force in history already. There's so many reasons why cannabis is illegal and even though it is illogical and mostly based on twisted corruptions of the law, there are reasons why it is illegal besides the "It's dangerous; kills brain cells; drives you insane!" blahblah propaganda. Big Tobacco, an enormous corporation, does all that it can to stop cannabis legalization. When people have a safer, more effective alternative than the current legal vices, then the tobacco and alcohol giants will lose tons of money... and they have very much political influence. Other industries such as paper, cotton, fuel etc, these massive markets don't want cannabis legalized because it is simply a better alternative and they encourage these false claims that support cannabis being Schedule I. Besides that, there is just a fear factor based on stereotypes. People who have never used cannabis or don't realize it's potential for non-drug purposes are afraid that the world will turn into potheads or criminals once cannabis is readily available. What they, the people, don't realize is that it IS readily available and is likely already used by many of the world's most successful persons, and it isn't dangerous. The movement is certainly in motion, but to hasten the process we, the cannabis community, have to stop trying to be that stereotype, we have to show everybody else that under the influence of cannabis, we are as perfectly capable of rising to the top. Education is the key but misinformation spells disaster in any situation. Power to the people, and to the people bestow a proper education. This is quite true with other drugs as well. In the early days of MDMA, it was being avidly used by some thousands of doctors to aid mental illnesses and diagnoses, there was even a court case that decided MDMA can not legally be placed higher than schedule III, but through the D.E.A.'s corruption of power they emergency scheduled it to schedule I, completely ignoring the orders of several courts and the opinions of thousands of doctors. That just shows you how little the anti-drug world cares about the truth.
Well said dude:thumbsup:
And other thing, why is there "Medical Marijuana" if all it does is ruin peoples lives? All those propaganda about cannabis is making me fucking crazy,...And have u ever heard of Medical Tabacco or Medical alcohol?I guess not,..So those things are the ones that should be illegal if they really care about the peoples health but they dont coz the only thing that matters to them is the MONEY that tabacco and alcohol pulling from the public.Fucking nazi douchebags
littlebigman
04-22-2007, 10:27 PM
ANY laws against cannabis are NOT laws. They are JOKES
if u really believe that then y not sew the gov and prove it?
in fact the whole premiss of this thread is a perfect example of y the national debate must b reformatted...
as long as people are willing to accept that gov has any authority what so ever to outlaw any plant, then we will see more disconnected borg type views that keep all discussion in the gov safe zones of good plant bad plant...
its a web of life folks and u r part of it not seperate from it...
seek to destroy or erradicate it and science says u r in effect harming yourself...debate over...
pps need to wake up to who and what they r and who and what they r not b4 we are in a place of no return...
if u want to do something with your time (other than threads like this) that would take about the same amount of time yet b effective in bringing urgently needed change, please see this thread(and act on our simple email ops);
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/112757-please-stop-supporting-law-reform-efforts-asap-will-hurt-us-all.html#post1390504
IM sorry but no one should ever be arrested for cannabis. You are basicly constitutionally entitled to it. Infact anyone who staqnds against cannabis should be shot for treason.There are thousands of your fellow man and woman are are incarsarated against their will/legally effected by the turmoil that our injust laws have decided for cannabis and its countless users. Its good for you and its part of your dna. To think any other way is ignorant and offensive. Take back those words that it shouldnt be legalized or kill yourself. simple as that. AM i being to cold? No im serious rather support cannabis and be part of the canabis revolution or... Death come to you quick you worthless .................
.....OF COUrSE you agree.
divestoned
04-23-2007, 07:38 AM
the government can have my weed AND my gun......when they pry them from my cold dead hand's!
Dive:stoned:
bobbygreenbear
04-23-2007, 08:19 AM
lol for once Lip I agree with ya
I smell bacon
he's too dumb to be a cop........................oh wait.... ;)
btw: the avatar with the guy holding two guns with an explosion in the background tells me a little something about the OP. try some weed, OP you might like it
bobbygreenbear
04-23-2007, 08:56 AM
let me rephrase: two guns, an explosion, and the fellow's name is "pride". this sums up so well all that i fear about the mindset of our nation
if u really believe that then y not sew the gov and prove it?
in fact the whole premiss of this thread is a perfect example of y the national debate must b reformatted...
as long as people are willing to accept that gov has any authority what so ever to outlaw any plant, then we will see more disconnected borg type views that keep all discussion in the gov safe zones of good plant bad plant...
its a web of life folks and u r part of it not seperate from it...
seek to destroy or erradicate it and science says u r in effect harming yourself...debate over...
pps need to wake up to who and what they r and who and what they r not b4 we are in a place of no return...
if u want to do something with your time (other than threads like this) that would take about the same amount of time yet b effective in bringing urgently needed change, please see this thread(and act on our simple email ops);
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/112757-please-stop-supporting-law-reform-efforts-asap-will-hurt-us-all.html#post1390504
For a start, at least learn how to spell a 3 letter word. It's spelt sue, not sew.
Jesus christ.
And me, as one person cannot do that. Dont be so silly.
There is no reason for cannabis to be illegal - keeping it illegal means innocent people being arrested, fined, even imprisoned, for what? Smoking a plant.
If cannabis was legal, police would have alot more time on their hands to arrest real criminals, that leave victims.
The courts wouldnt be wasting tax payers money on people smoking a plant.
mattmao
04-23-2007, 11:00 AM
well said lip.no victim no crime!!
4:20 on the Quad News : Boulder Daily Camera (http://www.dailycamera.com/photos/galleries/2007/apr/20/420-quad/)
Because there are mi,llions of people like this...... We have a sticking time bomb of aggrivated cannabis users.... How long will prohibition last untill the dam breaks? who knows
ZeldaG.
04-23-2007, 06:38 PM
Medical alcohol
acutally alcohol can be used as medicine in a way...
acutally alcohol can be used as medicine in a way...
Yep, it can! When i was 10 hours old i had to have something done - and i was too young for anesthetic so the nurse gave me 4 drips of brandy off her little finger. Not that i can remember it, but that's medicinal alcohol. And that's why i love brandy these days. Hardly ever drink it though.
ZeldaG.
04-23-2007, 11:21 PM
well if i ever do ill be thinking of you :wtf: lol
edit: drink brandy that is...
jahjahjahjah
04-23-2007, 11:38 PM
I have a friend who likes to smoke up but actually he hates the living shit out of weed and thinks its ruining the world (he continues to smoke cause he's addicted). I decided to post his opinions but mine as well.
Anyway, we already have tobacco and alcohol problems in this country. Why should we legalize another drug? This country is well known for being stupid with drugs and abusing drugs. Do we really need another drug to legalize?
Freedom of choice? It's gonna cost this country a lot just to do so.
Medical? Is there really medical benefits? Or is it just an excuse for potheads and old people to get high?
If medical weed is legalized, then people can cure their back problems while at work. It's not like their back pains won't return. Then they'll be too stoned to work and it'll all be legal and will cause a slow down in this country.
Expensive pills not working? Side effects?
He thinks that patients are lying and just want weed to get high.
As harsh as it sounds, we cannot just ignore these things.
I've read posts from some of you that are trying to bullshit your doctors to get a medical card (YOU know who YOU are!)
Statistics in other countries?
One pot head said "Look at Amsterdam, they're doing fine!"
Yet a non smoker from a completely different forum said: "Amsterdam is full of whores and potheads! It's disgusting!"
Plus, we're not Amsterdam. In fact, we can't even let alone handle alcohol that we had to push the drinking age to 21. We saved 20,000 lives a year just for doing that.
Many of you think the government just wants money, doesn't want us to know the truth, etc. But perhaps they're keeping weed illegal for a perfectly better reason than what you think. Maybe they simply don't want the country to be full of potheads who stay home all the time. I admit they go out of control sometimes, but so can potheads anyway.
I am not for keeping it illegal, or legalizing it. But rather I'm just a curious George asking questions. Don't be mad and flame me, but rather try to think and reason. All I see are 'LEGALIZE IT' threads, but there's never a topic that questions the bad parts of weed. There's a bad side of everything. We should discuss it. I see way too many threads on people failing and dropping out of school because they skip school and get high. We cannot toss that aside.
It'd be great if weed became legal and I can easily go to a store and get weed and peacefully smoke it at home. That's what we all think. But maybe we're thinking for ourselves and just want to get high.
Maybe we should look at the bigger picture?
Please reply and tell me your thoughts.
Again keep in mind, I'm not for legalizing, nor for keeping it illegal. But I think this is a very important topic to discuss.
Another thing though, this is probably like posting why pirating stuff is ok on a warez forum. But I still want your opinions.
Thanks.
First i'd tell your friend he's a fucking idiot, 2nd i think Dr. Lester Kennith Grinspoon Associate professor of Psychiatry and medicine at Harvard has a lot more credibility then him, This professor is responsible for some of the worlds finest Pharmicuticals available on the drug market today, and he still says cannabis is the # 1 medicine ever created. Another thing marijuana isn't addictive it's the idiot who is using it who is weak minded and has an addictive personality, like those crazy assholes who smoke ciggz.
rebgirl420
04-25-2007, 03:54 AM
weed helped me when i had cancer THATS why it should be legalized
The main issue is that weed was illegalized for no good reason, but now the government sees no good reason to legalize it either. The day our government comes to terms with the fact that the "war on drugs" is a useless, gaping money-pit, then maybe our dear mary-jane will become regulated rather than banned.
xblackdogx
04-25-2007, 07:51 PM
doctor's don't prescribe weed often because THEY don't get paid when they give you the card, unlike pills. Yes, doctors get tens of thousands of dollars every month FROM prescribing pills.
LaidZeppelin
04-26-2007, 04:49 AM
The problem is that its illegality is a waste of tax payers money...So many people use marijuana its insane. I told a high school senior that according to the DEA statistics 40% of high school seniors use marijuana before they graduate....she laughed and said "ha, try about 90%". The drug war isn't stoping the supply or demand for the drug. It cost about 20k to keep a guy locked up for a year (funny that 20k is above what the government considers the poverty line but thats a whole nother topic) and in many states we are handing out felony convictions, which lead to citizens getting out of jail and not being able to find jobs, start selling again, and wind up in jail...this creates a life long criminal cycle...Look at alchohol, you need to be 21 to get it, this makes it very difficult for high school kids to get, but since drug dealers dont care who they sell to its the drug of choice for HS kids. If you believe it is a dangerous drug than you should be for legalization so that the government can better keep it out of th hands of our youth. I support a marijuana policy that would pretty much miror that of alchohol, you need to be 21 because it is an intoxicant like alchohol. yeah you smoke it but it isnt a ciggarette. Lets see what other ammo do I have.
It drives me crazy that more people don't realize how much money is wasted on trying to stop a plant, it sort of reminds me of that line from jarasic park when Jeff goldblum say "nature finds a way". Since it is a plant its easy to grow, so people grow it inside, guerilla grow it, whatever.
I think more people who dont smoke or agree with marijuana should be outraged at how the DEA and many local governments continue a failed policy that doesnt work, its up to people to demand results from the drug war instead of funding apolicy that produses no results, i think the annual DEA dollar fugures for their weed war is 18 billion(probably wrong on that, but deff in the billions)...now im all for shutting down coke manufacturers, and meth labs...these drugs dealers target individuals create a physical addiction and don't stop until the user is almost dead or dead. Marijuana is totally different.
I also hate the propoganda around marijuana, the DEA wants to paint every pot smoker as a useless dead beat...well you know what i work my ass off at work and school all day and when i come home i wanna relax the way I like too. My boss today said she wish she could clone me cause im such a hard worker....and guess what? america is addicted to mcDonalds but you dont see legislation to stop people from killing themselves with food. I get tired at looking at so many fat asses here in the states but a cheesburger from mcdonalds is worse than a joint in my oppinion.
Yes it does have medicinal value... this is a no brainer. The government hardly lets anyone do research on it, wonder why...cause the more research that comes out the less harmful we find out it is...Also if it were legal people wouldnt have to smoke it all the time they could eat it or cook with it, people dont do that now cause its too expensive. The only one profiting off the drug war are drug dealers. Its not even about how dangerous it is, its about wasting money on a policy that does nothing, either revamp the drug war or stop trying....this is Bush Iraq logic, dont quit just keep loading barrels of money onto the flaming cars in hopes that the money will snuff out the flames.
LaidZeppelin
04-26-2007, 04:56 AM
weed used to be legal in the states it was used in jazz clubs in new york and noone had any problem, it was first made illegal when californians and arizonians wanteds to get rid of the mexicans..politicians used marijuana prohibition as a way to send the mexicans back home since they were the predominant growers.....history channle has a GREAT doc on marijuana legalization history...when you see how rascist the origins of the policies are its a real shame... I encourage everyone to watch this DOC its called "hooked:illegal drugs" they pretty much have a doc for every major drug. The last line in the doc is "many states are realizing that the cost of prohibition are greater than the cost of the drug itself" or something like that. Every other drug talks about the dangers and drain on society but the history of marijuana pretty much leaves every one who watches it scratching there head going, wait why is this illegal again. REally an awesome unbiased DOC look it up!
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70805
LaidZeppelin
04-26-2007, 05:07 AM
Final note: I saw a stat that said 40% of americans have used marijuana, and if you look at alot of those ballot initiatives in states to legalize they always come around 40%...which could possibly mean that the 60% that voted it down have never used it, are probably influenced by propaganda since they dont really know what it effects are...so the people against it are the people who dont know shit about it. I truly believe that their are alot of pot smokers like me who are educated and have done the research and have come to logical conclusion that no, it should not be illegal...its not just a "well, i wanna get high so make it legal"
HookaHitter
04-26-2007, 06:48 PM
Good to see younger people stand up for this, Vote Vote Vote my young friend! Get involved guys its the only way we can mke a change.
40% is low, you have to remember that many people, I would say 20-30% more smoke, but cant say they do. Its the fact that anything can show up and bite you in the butt, they have too much to loose for taking a poll or standing up for it! So they keep thier mouth shut! With that in mind, people should stop the stupid brainwashing and start reading and finding out the truth.
Its so bad that even the word "Marijuana" is like you just said F--K in church! Its a talking point, no one will talk about! In my town they would stone me if i said "what about marijuana reform" , yes stone me and not the good kind of stoned! We are talking about 70 years of marijuana brainwashing so its going to take time! I wont see marijuana reform in my life but I bet you younger folks will! Could still happen but we need to elect a weed friendly president and local officals too.
keep the faith and stay safe out there!
LaidZeppelin
04-26-2007, 08:42 PM
Well what makes it really hard is that when candidates come out they are either extreme libertarians so that the general public views them as unelectable...it is very rare to see a good moderate candidate say he/she is for legalization or even decriminalization and still get elected by all those soccer moms. Its a suicide mission for politicians it seems.
LaidZeppelin
05-03-2007, 09:09 PM
do you think a teenager would pay 30$ for a beer....when the markup on a consumer good is so high kids will not want to buy it.....the weed market is at equilibrium, people are willing to pay large amount because that is the only way to get it....i believe that if you look at the economics of it high school kids would buy less marijuana because of the enormous price discrimination that would be involved if it were legalized. The penalties should focus on sales not use...if you sell weed to kids then you SHOULD go to jail.
i dont know if i already responded to that but just about every one of your reasons is fucking terrible and so full of holes if there is any substance to it at all. there is no argument for keeping it illegal other than it gets you high, feel free to list another and ill explain to you why you are wrong, and the argument for making it legal has far, far more to it than hey man ill be able to go to the store and get weed.
18toki
05-03-2007, 11:02 PM
i belive that any drug is not danjourous as long as yoru resopnsobile enough to use it ...... most people arent
That's one of dangerous thought!
It should be legal for adults(21 years old or older) to use. Not for minors.
In California, it's already legal for medical purposes and it's decriminalized for many years.
When we talk about "Cultivation", it's all whole different story. We are talking about businesses.
They are many business men behind this and saying about "legalization of marijuana". Who to believe, You need to decide.
When you are at home, you are free to smoke unless you keep it a secret.
"It's legal to smoke marijuana at home".
Don't look at "Legalization". Look at "Decrimination". Not same...
There could be racist things behind this US marijuana law, but not now. Most of countries keep it illegal.
therustylighter
05-15-2007, 03:51 AM
There's some aspects everyone I think has yet to view; but then again i was lazy and didn't look through the entire post and am belligerent enough to shove my thoughts out here....
There have been proven medicinal purposes behind the Cannabis plant; we don't need to get into that.
Legalization. Taxation. Economic growth.
If you start with the first step of getting it widely seen as a medicinal product (and shit, the only reason it's not legal now is because being seen as having so many choices, 'big company' like Pfizer for instance, would never be able to patent marijuana, thus, no market for the pharmaceutical companies)
you can then get people's opinion to eventually change about how it is viewed as an entire whole.
Thus, we have cultural psychology.
Convince the public of the positives rather than shunning them and shrugging them off as not purposeful; you can then move onto complete legalization.
Legalization should bring on as a controlled substance, just like tobacco and alcohol; clearly for the fact we don't need 8 year olds getting high at their after-school programs. We offer an 18+/21+ law just like the others.
We can take this into an agricultural economic view into retrospect now:
1) Legalizing the herb, gives way to commercializing the herb for paper, the buds itself, and even clothing.
2) Commercializing the herb brings another possible product for the US of A to have under it's agriculture lists;
3) Farms: Farms produce jobs, and will obviously produce the herb.
4) The herb being sold by private companies can unfortunately ween the price a little but creates a more widely available product, safe from toxins, other drugs (crank, cocaine, opium) that can cause you to feel addicted to the herb when it's really the drug residue sometimes found from multi-selling dealers.
5) Profit pulls in taxes, taxes increases the economy.
6) Taxes on >US< THE PEOPLE get reduced because people like us getting busted for a 1/4oz or 1/2 oz, or oz of weed in jail won't apply in a legal world.
7) Jails would see a decline in over-population from marijuana possession.
Thus, we have a plant that can:
1) Replace trees indefinitely for paper
2) Create clothing
3) Create the herb we smoke
4) etc. etc. etc.
When you stare down the route of legalization, it's all about the fear of the public as far back as the propaganda propagated from the nixon years; where they had a psychopath on trial state he was high on marijuana which caused him to go psychotic. ( oh yeah? i just get relaxed and my temper cools off.. possibly the munchies and obviously a feeling of well being.)
so, here is what's stopping it (like said before)
1) General publics mind has been twisted by years of propaganda
2) THE D.E.A., FBI, local law enforecment loses money because of lack of catching the $50k-$100k marijuana busts a year over the border, and the multi-million inside the urban cities through out the US of A.
3) Big Company (like most politicians find their backing from) will ultimately not be able to patent, thus, a single company can't make all the money. They're votes are obviously on a NO to a "miracle drug" which can help with HIV/AIDS, Multiple Sclerosis, consistent severe nausea, glaucoma and other forms of cancer.
And there's more, but i'm getting a little buzzed off some YuengLing and i'm losing interest trying to educate :D
Just a note...
Science has never proven Pot causes cancer. They have shown that Pot has 4x as many carcinogenics as tobacco; BUT. What you oftenly do not read along with that propaganda is that THC; is seen as a natural cancer-inhibitor. an endocannibanoid (that which regulates hunger in the body) at the root, has also been shown to kill cancer cells on contact.
The only possible way of conceiving cancer is the fact that your breathing in hot smoke into your lungs which have and always been meant purely for oxygen.
But, then again, you get a vaporizer and well... No smoke. :)
(or an iced up bong... hooray!)
Anway, I really hope some of you took the time to really take a look at the real reasons for why this world is the way it is, especially in America.
but if we as the people cannot come together to prove to the world that this is what needs to happen, well, we're stuck in the hole that we're still in today. Smoke on kids!
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