NEWB,1st GROW, THOUGHT I'D SHARE EXPERIENCE W/ OTHERS FOR INPUT!

[sjacobs713]

DAY 1

alright, finally am ready to get started w/ this grow.. i've been waiting a long time to do this, and I am pretty confident that it will go good. I've learned so much from this site, and a bunch of eBooks that i found. Just want to say thanks for everyone that is always on here ready to answer any questions, and just give advise..
But anyways, I've got everything set up except for Mylar, but that will be there in the next photos that you see.
I got my seeds yesterday from Nirvana, 10 white widow ( WW ) and 10 northern lights ( NL )..
Decided to go w/ the propagation tray method to germinate, in peat pellets.
Filled tray w/ 2 quarts of water mixed w/ 1/8 tspn of SuperThrive, to blow up the pellets, and then drained off excess water..
placed 6 WW ( row w/ toothpick ) and 6 NL in pellets, and placed dome ontop.
left them in the closet all night w/ the lights turned on, got some cheap light fixtures at HomeDepot yesterday, w/ 2 Phillips 75 watt indoor Grow Lights (20,000 lumens ) not really sure if they should have light turned on or off, so after 12 hours on i turned off, (figured i would replicate the outdoors.) if anyone knows how long i should leave on or off for the next few days, i would really appreciate your input.
got some other stuff from WalMart called Alaska Fish Fertilizer, says it is " all purpose deodorized fish emulsion " ( 5-1-1 ).. anyone ever use, and if so what were the results?
but anyways, will post more pics tomorrow even if nothing happens just to update, hope to have a great grow...
thanks again for everyones help and advise..
slim

[Garden Knowm]

nice dome!
cheers

: )

[postmandave]

looking sweet .the postman.

[sjacobs713]

do you know how long i should keep the lights turned on , or even if i should?
and when should i turn on the 1000w MH?

slim

[Jdog7000]

For veg...18 hours on/6 hours off. When your ready to flower. Switch to 12/12.
Make sure you don't interupt the dark cycle and make sure it is pit black(no light leaks) Or your plants can hermie and pollenate your buds. turns them into seeds.
So 18/6 or 24/0 works for the veg period.

[the image reaper]

I'll never understand why everyone perpetuates this myth of 'total darkness' ... I have NEVER had a lightrpoof cabinet, and I have NEVER had a hermie, and only 2 males out of what, 200 plants ??? ... I guess your world doesnt have moon and stars ... :confused:

[sjacobs713]

during the germination stage though, from just putting the seeds into the peat pellets, how long should i leave the lights on for? 18/6? i read in the grow bible that you should leave on for 24/0, know anything about that?

slim

[willyhaze]

let me go ahead and say im havin the exact same problem with germin..how long lite or cancfl 100w natural and 1is on heat 100wcfl plese any advice would gladly b appreci..

[the image reaper]

germination is better in dark, the taproot is sensitive to light, but should be warm, ... after it sprouts, and goes into soil, run lights 24 hours for a few days ... once they start pushing leaves, turn back to 18 hours .. you will now read lots of posts recommending 24 hour light all the time ... there is one camp that says 18/6 is better, because the plant needs darkness to process nutrients, and regulate photosynthesis (they are right, in my opinion) ... others claim 24 hours is the hot ticket (they are confused, stoned children) ...:D ... just teasing ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

[QUOTE=willyhaze]let me go ahead and say im havin the exact same problem with germin..how long lite or cancfl 100w natural and 1is on heat 100wcfl plese any advice would gladly b appreci..[/QUOTE


I have no idea what you just said ... try staying awake in school ... :smokin:

[willyhaze]

thanks buddy ive awaken now peace u can tell im a newb...with massive ambitious good looks

[sjacobs713]

hey i appreciate it reaper... turned everything off, going to go and buy heat pad and place underneath it tonight.. i've been reading a bunch of things about the 24/0, but like you said it does make sense that for photosynthesis to take place naturally, you do need some darkness..... but that's a ways down the road, going to read up as much as possible on 24/0 vs 18/6..
thanks again!

slim

[the image reaper]

I sometimes tease too much, never mean any offense ;) ... there are two schools of thought on the 18/6 and 24/0, the 24 will grow plants, obviously, because there are some growers that swear by it, I try to only speak of what has been 'tried-and-true' in my own experiences ... Im not likely to even mention cloning, or hydro, as I have little experience with the one, and none with the other ... I'm just an old dirt farmer ... the cool thing about growing, is how you get so involved and concerned about your plants ... my only problems have been caused by 'over-helping' my plants .. too much nutrients, too much water, ... your plants will let you know when they are in need of something, you will be able to research the answers here ... these Forums are great, we didnt have anything like this in the Dark Ages ... Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal's first book was a God-send to us, and amazing how right-on they were, even back then :thumbsup: ... don't get frustrated with grow problems, each and every grow will probably be greatly improved from the prior ones ... something to look forward to ... :smokin:

[sjacobs713]

DAY 2

whats going on everyone, about to leave for work, but wanted to smoke a bowl, and update w/ little changes..

last night since i dont have a heat pad, i placed two bowls of boiling water inside the dome and closed it for about 30 mins, and also poured boiling water onto a towel, and placed that towel in plastic bags, and placed underneath the tray..
i am hoping that it helped bring the humidity up some, and warm the pellets a little..
i think i have a white widow that is trying to sprout ( the one in the very back row w/ the toothpick ), and one of the northern lights as well ( second to last in left row ) .. i'm starting to see like a little white dot in the dirt, and that's the only thing i can think it is, unless some dirt or dust got in there..
will update w/ more later. got to go

Slim

[Jdog7000]

I say that about the darkness from experience. Some more stable strains will not hermie if there is a light leak. But alot of F1's will with a light leak. Indoors is way different then growing outdoors with the sun and the moon. I've done both and outdoors is way easier in my opinion.But indoors they seem to be more sensitive(like to light leaks)Since they have been taken out of there element. I just suggest the darkness for beginers because hermies can be very discouraging. And if it can be avoided,why not?

[sjacobs713]

what up everyone... just got home from work, and went to check on my little ladies, and 2 NL's have popped up from the soil..
so that means that 2 of 12 are out of the soil, i've left them in the dark, and tried to apply as much heat as possible..

****now do i want to turn the light on for these that have sprouted, or do i still want to leave them turned off?

i've giving the pellets very small amounts of water, not directly on pellets but in the tray, so that they can absorb from the bottom..

****should i let those 2 that have sprouted stay in the tray longer or should i move them to dirt yet..

i really need knowlegeable answers to these questions, and hope someone knows.. ( i am sure you'll do )
just want to say thanks again...

[sjacobs713]

alright.. i've got 3 that have budded so far..
2 x NL
1 x WW
think that i may have over watered them though.. the pellets are full of water..... went ahead and put the 3 sprouts under real weak light, 2 75w Phillips Indoor bulb, and moved the propagation tray to other side of closet and placed a dark sheet ontop to keep it in the dark..
going to get my mylar tomorrow according to ups, so tomorrow going to wrap the room in it, and set up the light..
been reading bunch of threads out there, everyone's got some beautiful plants, even the ones that are withering still are so beautiful..
but anyways, just wanted to say thanks again to everyone for any advice..
PEACE!

slim

[sjacobs713]

dont know why the pic of the 2 NL wouldnt post.. show you'll tomorrow..

[sjacobs713]

what up everyone !

shit , so i am 4 days into the grow, and plants arent really booming like i wanted them to.. i got 2 NL's that are looking good, but not one single WW has really shot up any green leaves...
is it still too early for seeds to have germinated in the peat pellets, and i am just too anxious, or could something be wrong?
i am keep them moist, and in the propagation tray w/ humidity dome.. took them out of the grow room, and placed in another dark place in the house..
dont know if i should try and dig up the seeds from the peat pellets or what? where are all the experts at, no one wants to read thread or answer questions..
i know i ask alot, and you'll always say to read the forumn, and i do, but the best way that i learn ( other than experience ) is from someone teaching me..
i have invested over 500 bucks into this grow, and just dont want to fuck shit up, that is why i am so adoment (spelling?) about these things..
well anyways, i finally got mylar, going to pin it up real good tomorrow, just taped up right now.. but looks nice... check out pics..

someone please answer question about what i should do w/ my 8 remaining peat pellets, whether i should leave alone, or dig out seeds and maybe put n paper towels, or straight into soil????

anyways,
THANKS!

slim

[sjacobs713]

looking back at my thread now, i think it still may be too soon for them all to sprout, and i'm just too anxious! ( i hope anyway )

got a major heat issue though in the closet, can't cut any holes in walls, and if i leave the door open losing light!
checked out ebay and found a small a/c unit, that you put water in, for around 45 bucks ..plus shipping of course.
but anyways, plan on having a good grow, keep checking me out!
oh yeah, i've been superthriving these bitches kinda alot! almost every time i water them, not alot, maybe a drop or two, but yeah they're getting it almost everyday in small doses right now..
damn 1000w light if f-ing BRIGHT AND HOT!

anyways,
holla @ ya!
Peace!

slim

[sjacobs713]

ALRIGHTY..... I am 100% up and running.. got my mylar on the walls, light is going, fans are blowing, and plants are growing ( i hope )....
so anyways, I am a semi-happy camper at how things are moving along here.. I think i should have gone w/ the paper towel method to germinate these bitches, instead of propagation tray.. but you live and you learn..
I still got 4 more WW that need to sprout, and 1 NL...
hopefully soon.. dont understand why these WW's are not doing as good as my NL's?
I sure do hope to learn a lot from this, but I hope I come out w/ somewhere close to 16 oz ( 1 lb ) at the end all this..
12 plants, and then depending on how many females I have?? we'll see?

I do not understand why these experts dont look at my threads? I know i ask alot of questions, and you all want everyone to read ( which I do ) , but it's just that I learn alot better from other peoples experience, and being told what I need to do.. guess my comprhension is not too good?
but anyways, I really would like some feedback from you pro's or semi-pro's, your advice, your input on what is looking right and where i need to make changes..

but anyways, here are my latest pics..

PEACE!
slim

my picture size is too big.. anybody know any programs to make file smaller?

[sjacobs713]

shit so things are moving, these WW are having such a hard time growing.. the NL's are doing real nice right now it seems like.
we'll see what happens w/ them...
so here are a couple of pics I've taken these past 2 days, and have not been able to upload b/c they were to big..
thanks to orangeman, i now know how to make smaller.. going to take more when something changes..

[sjacobs713]

hey is my light too high? I'd say it's about 4 ft above the top of the first plant, maybe 4 1/2...
1000watts

[sjacobs713]

oh... also on one of my plants, (the middle one on the right in picture on top ), on the bottom of the stem it's twisted.. is this abnormal, will it cause issues down the road..
what should i do about it?

[dion]

Im not telling you im right, but IMO, those plants are infants.. for about the first week i use 2 2' flouros on 24/7. And as i am not a fan of high electric bills i only use flourescent bulbs, be them 4' flouros or cfls (of various watts spectrums and lumens), but even then i only use those 2 2' lamps... i didn't unleash hells fury on my child when she was born, so i figure natures wants folks to be gentle with of existances new additions.

I just think it may be a little bit early to unleash the big dog right now. and if you spent $20 getting a couple flouros it would be cool enough to place several inches above the sprouts and the light would be evenly spread enough to get them on the road to greatness.

that beez what it would dat id do
Dion

[sjacobs713]

alright, i may try that.. i'm using these 2 75watt Phillips indoor lights 12 hours out of the day, they any good, or should i just get flouresents..
wal-mart has got like 18 2ft indoor plant flourecents, w/ bulb....those any good?

check out those 2 lights, they any good?

[KHAN]

Yep 1000w on seedlings?

[sjacobs713]

everyone keeps saying that it's too much power.. think i may go and get some flourescent lights tonight, and let them feed off that for another week or two..
we'll see what happens, i'll post pics 4 sure..

[dion]

yeah bro, i got mine from wally world just like that. $10 ea. right? I just took of that plastic cover, strung 2 of them up together with some nylon and viola! I think a week should do it on 24/7. After that if you still want to give them flourescent light but not so much of it then switch to 18/6. 12 hours of light a day only is what you want when you have completed your desired height and size of you plant and you want to induce flowering. again IMO.

make sure that you hang those flouros pretty close to those plants now, after a week you'll see they have become aquainted with the world and then you can let em roll with that big dog HPS rig of yours. although for height and positioning of it I can be no use to you. lo siento amigo.

pura vida
Dion

[Opie Yutts]

Here's my input:

Don't type in all caps unless you are defining a category or name, or you are yelling.

[sjacobs713]

oh well Opie, I did.. you live and you learn, what can I say? now i know though, thanks to you, so thank you!

anyways, not too much has changed.. going to water the plants today w/ some superthrive, hopefully they like it..
got a flourescent light last night from WalMart, and hung it up today right above the plants...i'd take pictures, but I have a huge piece of black plastic on the door to keep out air.. ( have to bomb my house today for flea's, DAMN DOG! )
but yeah, tonight will post some pics, just wanted to drop a line...

PEACE!
slim

[Opie Yutts]

You can use any light for seedlings and cloning. If it is powerful though, like 1000 watts, you need to keep it way back. You want them to concentrate on root development at this stage, not photosythisis.

[sjacobs713]

yeah , bunch of peoplle have been telling me i shouldn't use the 1000w for a little while..
last night went out and bought a cheap flourescent fixture, for growing indoor plants, and i already had the 2 in the corner.. they have 75w Phillips Indoor Grow bulbs....

so you got any ideas on good stimulation for the roots? i saw at home depot some root stimulator, but it was for roses i beleive.. .would that work?
any idea's would be helpful..???

FYI... the 3 pots in the far back left row all have seeds that were in peat pellets inside a humidity dome that never sprouted...
broke the peat pellets open real gently, and all 3 seeds had sprouted from shell, just never grew a stem above the surface..
but anyways, took the popped seed out real gently, and placed in some soil...
we'll see....
I also started germinating 2 more white widow seeds last night in paper towels sealed inside a sealed tuppaware..
so hopefully we'll be adding 2 more white widow here soon...
white widow is having the most trouble growing in my small to be garden.. wonder why???

but anyways.. i appreciate everyone's help and advice on everything..

PEACE!
Slim.

[SeedlessOne]

CFL's would of been alot earier/better

[sjacobs713]

alright.. just an update...

i now have a total of 12 pots attempting to grow something... out of the 12 I've got 7 growing nice, 1 trying to grow up, and the other 4 no action yet ( although the seed has already sprouted. )
and now.... those 2 WW seeds i placed in paper towel yesterday, have about a 1 inch root hanging out.. :D
about to run to the handy dandy walmart to pick up some more pots for those 2 little girls, and 2 more flourescent lights...

now in 2 of my other lights, i have 2 75w Phillips Indoor Plant bulbs, should i get some CFL's for in there?
probobly will...
anyways, any input or advice is greatly appreciated.!
PEACE
slim


MAKING PROGRESS SO FAR.....

[sjacobs713]

my favorite little girl.. ( doesnt mean i dont love the others any less )...

.....once again, just want to say thanks to everyone that stays on the boards advicing, and helping me and others..

PEACE!
slim

PS.. I AM STONED!!
:D

[Buffalo Soldier]

Hey all, I've been logging in the hours to learn as much as possible on hydroponics for ww sog, but seeing that you have a soil ww crop I think I'll hang out here and see how things turn out. I'll offer any advice that I can and always a positive attitude, best of luck........everything looks great so far. :thumbsup:

[sjacobs713]

what's up buffalo, what up everyone else???.. my first grow as i am sure you can tell... hope that it turns out alright, i will definately keep things posted....
here's a pic of what is going on in the room...
currenytly 14 potential plants going.. 2 x flourescent tubes, and 2 cfl's 14 hrs of the day, and 1000w mh the rest of the day...
the pics are of the pots in the room, and my new lady... 1 of the WW's that i put in paper towel on saturday, transferred to dirt yesterday, and sprouted today!!! :D

anyways, holla at ya'll manana....

peace!
slim

[sjacobs713]

hey what stage of the plants lifecycle is nitrogen needed more?
got this stuff i bought a while back called all purpose deodorized fish emulsion " ( 5-1-1 ), was wondering when i should use.. plants seem to be growing a little slow.. anyone got any ideas, maybe i am just impatient.?

[Buffalo Soldier]

definitely the veg. cycle. You will see a difference with the fish emulsion, good stuff. Just keep your dog, cat, etc. away from the plants...they love it:dance: .


peace

[Buffalo Soldier]

By the way, I am also going to be using a 1000W MH, it's a closet grow with mad ventilation......do you plan on growing the ww out or a sog method..looks like it might get a bit tight in your growroom as these plants mature...any plans on using a HPS lamp during your flowering phase......


puff puff pass!!:rasta:

[sjacobs713]

well i got a switchable ballast mh to hps.... everywhere that i read it says that i should use MH for veg and hps for flowering...
been talking w/ some other people, and they told me that for the 1st week i really should use flourecscents, so that's why i went out and bought all those, but since yesterday when i started w/ the MH, in the day while i'm at work, and like now when i come home for lunch, i honestly can tell a difference in my plants, whereas the flourecscents couldnt...
they love that MH...
but to answer your question yeah i do plan on using the HPS but only during flowering..
damn 1000w gets HOTTT!! i got 2 big fans blowing air out of the room, and it's about 92-93F in there right now..
i need to build like a plywood, or even thinking about thick cardboard door that i can cut into, so i can hook up intake and outake fans..
going to buy one of the small a/c units here in a couple of weeks..
but yeah, eventually i definately plan on building a cabinet in some other part of the house, and dedicating that to nothing but females in a scrog.. ( can't wait for that, probobly after first harvest, take my clones, and start then! )

but some good news for me, MY OTHER SEEDLING POPPED UP ABOVE GROUND TODAY!!!
always makes me happy to know i have that much more possibility of great bud!
it's white widow too...

going to use some of that fish emulsion tonight.. in small amounts.

does anyone think that starting off my first 12 seeds in peat pellets, and then transplanting the pellets directly into another soil, may slow down the grow process?
for some reason i feel that my plants are a little behind schedule?

check out my new little lady....



PEACE!
slim

[Jdog7000]

No, I actually think that speeds it up. Because it germinates in the peat.
No need to feed a seedling until it starts it's 3rd set of jagged leaves.
And for veg you want to get some nutrients that are mainly nitrogen...like 20-20-20 or an organic nitrogen mix. Like Pure Blend Pro.for growth.
Your definately going to have to fix that high temp. Get a powerful ac unit. And put it threw the window. Make sure it's at least 8000 btu's if it's a regular size bedroom.
I hope you got some cash because they are expencive. But nessisary.
Also you are going to need an exhaust fan. Something like around 200-500 btu's. So you can either leave it on. Or on a timer every hour for 5-10 minutes. If not useing co2 or an acunit just leave it on. If you can. Have the exhaust up high. On the roof or the top of the room. And the intake down low. Up out of the floor or bottom of the wall.
Make sure your flowering area is pitch dark. No light leaks. they are a nightmare. So go in the room with the lights off and make sure you see no light. Stay in there for a while for your eyes to adjust.
Good Luck

[Buffalo Soldier]

Any plans yet as to when you will force flower to find the males?.......or are you looking towards a long veg cycle?.......Yea, those 1000W MH are brutal, ventilation is of the utmost importance. I always attached a dryer hose to a nice size fan funneled with oaktag to get the air in at the bottom of the growroom and there is an attic above the closet with a big fan laying on top of the opening pulling everything out. If need be, I'll throw my 5,000 btu in the window and have it in front of the inlet fan/hose contraption....... Keep an eye on that temp bro........:cool:



chillin:stoned:

[sjacobs713]

what up everyone! what up j, and buffalo..

j, really appreciate the input.. think that this weekend going to try and go get a strong fan, and build some kind of door in front of the door, so i can exauht into ....but yeah, the room is completely sealed of light in/out..saw these cheap a/c units on ebay that run on water, not freon (sp)..think i may try that, w/ intake, and outake fans going..

hey buffalo, what is oaktag? i hope to produce my buds as soon as possible, so i'm reallly looking to flower as soon as possible.. that's why i was worried about my plants growing slow.. after coming home from work today, in that short 5 hours, my 2 new ladies grew!!
check out the pics, they love that MH...
had to turn it off though, gave it some floro...going to give it some of the fish emultion tonight, hope it doesnt screw my beauties up..
anyways though, check out the pics, basically the same just a little more beautiful day by day....

anyway, holla at me..

PEACE!
slim

****smoking a fat one, a blunt that is,yup a fat one............****:pimp:

[sjacobs713]

the picture of the first 2 are the new seedling from the papertowels, and the other 2 pics are some of their sisters...
sorry forgot to post that...


***first pic was directly under light too, sorry bout that..***

[Buffalo Soldier]

congratulations.....
Oaktag is just a thin cardboard that can be shaped. Don't be hasty with the feedings, seedlings don't really need much for a few weeks.What are u using for soil? If you have a basic potting soil, maybe transplant to something with a bit more nitrogen.......

[Buffalo Soldier]

don't overdo the nutrients and care.let the plant do what it has to do...check out the threads from mand......she is an excellent patient grower that doesn't mess with nature

[sjacobs713]

lol....
i got the 2 florouscent tubes about a foot above the plants, and the 2 CFL's are about 18+inches away, but light gets to everything, and all the walls and floors and wrapped in mylar..
do i have lights too far?

slim

[sjacobs713]

**are** instead of "and"

stoned man.. my bad!

[sjacobs713]

ooohhh weeee.. it's a long weekend out here in the U.S., and i got off of work...:D

what up everyone...how's everything, and everyone doing?
shit, just another day here...not too much has changed, plants are growing SLOWLY, but they're still green, so i am happy...
so today i watered them...i used that fish emulsion for the first time, i sure do hope that they like it...
watered them each w/:
1qt h2o, 1/2 tspn of fish emulsion ( 5-1-1 ), and 3-4 drops of superthrive..

should i be adding any other ingredients to my water right now?

i took the ph of each of my ladies, and they were all somewhere in the range of 6.5 - 7.2 .... each pot was different..

so i've got 5 x WW and 5 x NL that are actually growing right now..
one of my WW though for some reason will not shoot out it's leaf's.. it's been growing a stem for about 7 days now, and it did have the popped seed shell ontop of the stem, but when watering today it knocked it off..

check out pic #2, does anyone think that there is somethig wrong with it?

also, one of my NL's the one that had the yellow leaf, well it's still got it, hasnt really grown or changed at all ..

check out pic #4, anyone think there is anything wrong w/ that one?

but yeah, will get on later..

holla at me, advise me PLEASE!!!

PEACE!
slim

hey buffalo, i know that you seen MAND's grow... shit looks beautiful, huh?
hopefull thinking....

[Buffalo Soldier]

well I wouldn't freak over the yellow leaf but it is my opinion that the 1000w should not be used before there are about 4 pairs of leaves, not includding the cotyledon set. Give those seedlings a break and and just stick with the flouos. I'm sure this is a fairly common suggestion on this board, as I have seen it stated before. Be patient, mother nature will provide:rasta:



one love

[sjacobs713]

Buffalo- what's going on man? only reason i keep questioning the MH or FLOROs is b/c i am reading through other peoples threads, and they started out w/ their HID ( whether is was hps or mh ) from the very beginning, and when i look at their plants on day 12 they've got a lot more leaf's than mine..
for some reason i just feel like my ladies are growing slow..
but believe me i feel ya on what your saying about they dont need super strength light right now, that's why i've been giving it to them 10 - 12 hrs a day..
but what i am going to do is go to WalMart and buy 2 more of those floro sticks for plants, and place above them, and just let them go 24/0...
i just want me some good reefer, been a long while for me since i smoked anything like that.. guess i'm just too anxious for it already??

so the plant that had the stupid shell stuck on the outside of it w/ no leafs, now has 2 leaf's and trying to pop out another 2... so that's good..

the fish emulsion didnt seem to have a negative effect on them, as they are still standing, and green as can be...
should i only be giving them that stuff once a week?
was reading another thread where some dude was giving it to them during the flowering stage once a week, talking bout he's going to start to do it twice/wk..
just want to be sure that it's okay to use right now, in the stage that they are in?
what does that stuff actually do, i read the bottle but still dont really understand..
i know it provides nitrogen, but what does nitrogen do for them?

anyways, i holla at ya'll later..

PEACE!
slim

*****picture is of the one that was just growing stem w/ seed on top no leafs, took the seed off yesterday, and she spread out...

**i only call them she's as wishful thinking..( they may all be males ):(

[Buffalo Soldier]

New growers always overdo it.whether it is watering, touching the plant, nutrients or just screwing up the night cycle during flowering.I don't know much about fish emulsion except that it is a great fertilizer, but how much food do u think your seedlings really need right now?........I can tell that you are an attentive grower, but be patient ,distract yourself and let those youngins take root.your patience will pay off in the long run....light, water and time are all your plants need at this point. If I am way off with my advice I'm sure that one of the veterans on the board would be slamming me right now.:p ...........just watch em grow:thumbsup:


peace:smokin:

[sjacobs713]

yeah that's what i been noticing..
so yeah, just going to leave all the floro's on 24/7 for another week or two, and then drop them under the 1000w MH for 2-3 weeks, and then however long it takes during flowering, i got the HPS for that..
i just hope that they take off here soon.. they have been growing so slow compared to others that i have seen, and been following..
we'll see though...

later man!
slim

[sjacobs713]

not too much is changing, just mother nature doing her thing right now..
couple of new pics, haven't been posting much b/c much is not happening...
anyways, i'm sure i'll put more up later..

oh yean, i put 2 NL seeds in papertowels in tuppaware ontop of my TV.. going to add 2 more to the familia..hoping for a bunch of ladies..:rasta:

holla at me!
PEACE!
slim

[sjacobs713]

so i think i may have some yellow leaf's but dont know for sure.. maybe i am just paranoid..
dont think i have been overwatering, got this meter that reads soil moisture and i water when it's close to dry.. not all the way dry, but close. top of soil is crunchy...
i watered about 4 times in their 2 weeks of life.. everytime they got couple drops of superthrive, and this later water i gave them some alaska fish emulsion ( 5-1-1 ).. this is the only thing i could think would cause this..
ph level of each plant is anywhere between 6 and 7, so that should be ok..
light schedul 24/0
10 hrs of MH about 4.5 ft above them, and then
14 hrs of floros..
all plants have different types of soils.. but based all soils on N>P>K..
any thoughts??

pic 1 and 2 are different plants..
pic 1 is the one i think may have some yellow leaf's coming on ( she's my biggest ) and i just want to stop that before it happens..
pic 1 is the middle one on the 4th pic...

any advise would be incredibly and greatly appreciated.. i just want to stop before it gets bad...

could hot temperature cause this??? cause that definately is a factor..
it does get hot at times...

thanks!

[The Grim Reefer]

Fish emulsion could easily be a factor, what are the temps like?
Your plants don't need fertilizer yet. :D

[sjacobs713]

ok not going to feed them anymore of that.. just give them h2o and superthrive...
temps in the day w/ the MH on get almost to 100 F... i know that's way too hot, so today i went out and bought another floro tube, tomorrow going to get another one, and another clamp light w/ CFL for the 2 new spouts ....
keep the MH off until i can figure a way to keep cool...
i was reading in Jakes thread that maybe it could be the root are not getting enough oxygen.. you think this could be?
i did not mix any perlite in my soils, ( didnt know )
if that could be a factor in it, how can i change to soil so that there is some perlit in it..?

thanks, i really appreciate any help..

slim

[The Grim Reefer]

Oof. Yeah, I had the same issue you're having actually. (if this is a root-oxygen problem).

Oh, and I also just read that anything over 90 degrees WILL effect the plant's processing photosynthesis :D They process it best 75-78.

What I would do is get the pot you want to transplant to, make large draining holes, layer the bottom of the pot with rock to keep your medium from falling through, then I would coat the rock with pearlite (just a half inch - inch) and then use this guide that was so expertly written by harddon :D:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=29705

Oh, be sure to mix 25-40% pearlite with your soil.

Good luck, tell me how it goes!

[Buffalo Soldier]

excellent advice, gotta let em breathe..

after the transplant just let them grow........


one love

[sjacobs713]

hey i really appreciate the advice.. i really do think that it could be that the roots are not breathing properly at all..
really sucks , cause that means i have to go and spend some more money..
i have spent so much damn money on this grow!!! i hope that it produces good for me at the end.. it should. :D
my wife is just nagging and bitching about all the money i spend, but hey I can't lose my ladies... that's my biggest one too, the one that is starting to show possible yellow leaf's ...

*** i origianally planted the seeds in small peat pellets, and now they are 15 days old..
do you think that the root system has grown out of the peat pellets yet, or can i just dig around the plant to pull up just the peat pellets.?
and the reason i ask this is b/c they are already in 1.5 gallon pots, and transplanting means i need to transplant into larger pots, which i do not have room for...
but if i need to transplant into larger pots i guess i can find a way to make space...
thanks Mr. GrimReefer for your thoughts!

slim

[sjacobs713]

hey i really appreciate the advice.. i really do think that it could be that the roots are not breathing properly at all..
really sucks , cause that means i have to go and spend some more money..
i have spent so much damn money on this grow!!! i hope that it produces good for me at the end.. it should. :D
my wife is just nagging and bitching about all the money i spend, but hey I can't lose my ladies... that's my biggest one too, the one that is starting to show possible yellow leaf's ...

*** i origianally planted the seeds in small peat pellets, and now they are 15 days old..
do you think that the root system has grown out of the peat pellets yet, or can i just dig around the plant to pull up just the peat pellets.?
and the reason i ask this is b/c they are already in 1.5 gallon pots, and transplanting means i need to transplant into larger pots, which i do not have room for...
but if i need to transplant into larger pots i guess i can find a way to make space...
thanks Mr. GrimReefer for your thoughts!

slim

[sjacobs713]

so last night i went out and bought a squirrelcage fan and set it up.. says that it will clear out 300 cubic feet per minute.. ( i think that my room is smaller than that.. )
so i hooked up one end of the dryer hose to the fan, and the other end through the ceiling and onto the hood of my light...
when i put my hand up to the hold on the hood where it is sucking i can feel decent suction,
but when i power on the light, in less than 10 mins gets to nearly 100 degrees F...
pisses me off, spent freaking 90 bucks on the fan and still doesnt do what i want..
i even cut a hole in the ceiling of my rented place to make it work, and still way too hott....:mad:
any idea's anyone..?????
home depot had those small window A/C units on sale for about 90 bucks, should i get one of these?
now there is not a window any where near my closet, so i can't hang it out a window, would it be okay to just set it at the base of the door on maybe a couple of crates.?
i really need somem help controlling the temp in there, so any input is greatly appreciated...

**** 1st and 2nd pic are from ontop of the ceiling, and looking in through the hold i cut in the ceiling..

3rd and 4th are just other pics from normal point of view.

[sjacobs713]

oh yeah, haven't transplanted the plant yet, i'm kinda worried about it.. the 4th pic above is that plant.. you can see where the leaf's are turning yellow..
i guess if it is still the same when i get home, or worse, then i am going to have to transplant..
the soil that i put that plant in , you can tell came w/ small amounts of perlite if you look in the pic ( i didnt mix it in so it's not much ),
but is that enough, or should i transplant?
i just dont want to stress my lady, she is by far my finest!

oh yeah, planted my other 2 NL's that sprouted in paper towels yesterday..
now i've got 12 going!!

[sjacobs713]

was looking through the threads, and my damn names was on there 8 times for the last post posted...
i ask a bunch of questions!

just want to say that i greatly appreciate everyones help, and input on the grow and issues that come up..
i'm one of those people that learns better from other's and being taught.. i dont really lilke to read, and take in too much what i read.. but i do!!!
hey but thanks, if i can be of any assistance holla at me!!

***
just cheefed a fat ass blunt, straight to the head.. just for you people!!!!!!
:cool: :D :rasta: :rasta: :stoned: :stoned:

[sjacobs713]

here is a small update,
i put my plants under the MH now 24/0 and they are absoulutely loving it.. every time i look at them they are expanding a little bit...
i lowered the MH to about 3 ft above them as well, so hopefully they'll be getting little more lumens..
some of them are still showing signs of nute burn, but they are growing much more quicker than they're burning, so i guess things are in a decent stage right now..
12 plants going in there right now, so we'll see what happens..
if anyone has any input or advice that may make my grow a little nicer, please let me know..
( i'm sure no one does, the way these boards work.. got to be a professional grower here, in order to get some kind of input. )
doesn't mean i'm not thankful, just putting it out there how it is..
:pimp: :pimp:

[Jdog7000]

You have to hang those ac units out the window. Or it will make your room hotter. If you rig up a rubbermade tub around it and seal to the window ,this works too. Mine is like that now. Or buy one for indoors like what you want it for. Just make sure it is at least 8000 BTU's or you are wasting your money.

[s12fever]

lovin ur setup and process bro,im also a newb - but didnt read shit about growing before planting my seeds, still trying to germinate in the soil.. which was a big mistake!...Keep us informed with th process m8:D
P.S i'll post here when my plants finally decide to sprout;)

[Buffalo Soldier]

Hey SJ........sorry I haven't posted in a bit...life is a bit frantic right now ...............including my garden......

pics look great, you can probably agree now that the MH could have definitely waited a bit when you first started out as well as the small presence of nute burn. Seedlings just don't need much in the beginning, now it is a trial an error game to find the proper height for your light. Lessons learned, but hey you have a nice crop going now . Give your plants plenty of positive vibes and you're on your way to some killer oregano;)



one:smokin: .

[sjacobs713]

now that i lowered my light about 1.5 ft, the temp has gone up to nearly 100 degree's.. :mad:
going to have to spend some more money, and get a swamp cooler... some a/c unit that works as an A/C but w/o freon...works on water from what i have read...
plants are still looking a little pale, but i swear they are growing soo much quicker w/ that damn MH...
gave them some water yesterday
2 qts h2o + 2 drops ST + sprinkles of epsom salt.... that's what every plant got.
some of plants did turn to a darker shade of green, some stayed the same yellow/green color..
on most of the plants, the bottom set of leaf's that had already started to burn from the nutes, are still burnt, but all the new sets of leaf's coming in are looking good..
i'm hoping that maybe 2 weeks, the showing of nute burn all over will have gone away, and i will have nothing but green leaf's...
i decided to not feed them during the veg stage, and just let them do their thing and grow..
when time to flower i will have done alot more reading on nutes, and know what i need, and how i need to give to them..

anyways,
i'll keep this thread updated w/ anything new that happens..

buffalo-
what up man? so you started your grow? yeah, the damn nutes burnt the hell out of my plants.. now they're all yellow and shit, not that dark green, but they're jumping back strong.. my little soldier ladies.. we'll see how things turn up though.
got any pics of your setup ? your ladies sprout yet?

PEACE!

slim

[Buffalo Soldier]

growing out of a 5'X3' closet, attic exhaust , fan intake via dryer hose to bottom of garden. Still sproutin with flouro's. Waitin' for all my babies to get about 4 leaves then I'll let my 1000W MH loose and see how she goes. walls are painted flat white with a hygrometer mounted on the wall. Plan to flower about @ 6 weeks.will probably use MH all the way, supplement with 400 HPS or just use my 1000HPS. Currently saving for switchable 1000W ballast. I'm a light freak. Basic potting soil right now with decent P. Will eventually transplant to a higher N mix. This is a new grow room I'm using so this grow is kind of a test run before I sprout the WW's. Currently building a reservoir hydro set up for 11 plants. Eventually want to have an aero system. I have always grown indoors from soil so I feel it is time to move on to hydro soon. I want to grow WW exclusively....High expectations........Will post pics as I get the time.......Appreciate the interest:dance: , don't want to crowd your thread.

If need be, I also have a 5000BTU to go in the window if things get out of hand. Gotta see the bills before I fire up the central air.


peace,
Buffalo::rasta:

[sjacobs713]

damn man!! sounds like you got it going on over there..
i heard from an old man back home that growing hydro is easier than doing the soil...
it's just even more money to spend...
if this grow goes decent, and i have a semi-decent yield, then i think i am going to get a hydro system for next grow..
you ever heard of those swamp coolers? they work as an a/c unit..
i really need to find a fix for this heat issue that i am having, and a window unit wont work for me... staying around 97 in there..
you grown WW before?

[YASoob]

hey i'm wondering if you ever got to fix that temp problem. i'm having the exact same problem. 1k mh, 4x4x7 space, but i only got 170 cfm and i don't think the 170 is strong enough.

[sjacobs713]

still haven't gotten it fixed.. got a squirrel cage fan to suck out of my light, rated at 300 cfm, but it's not doing a damn thing.. room stays around 98 degree's all day..
i keep the door open all day too, just have some mylar taped to this thick black plastic sheet that i use as a door.. but that lets air in and out too..
ordering another fan off of ebay tomorrow that's rated at 1350cfm.. so we'll see what that does..
let me know if you get your issue resolved..

[YASoob]

is light touching your thermometer?

i have 2 that i use, one below the light which the light is touching reading at 98. then i got one above the plant but its under a hood so light is not touching it and reading is 80.

i think you should do this: get exhaust to blow out, i think 300 is fine for your space and get an a/c portable a close as you can to the growroom, then use some sort of intake to blow that cold air in. this is just my opinion.

[postmandave]

coming along nicely jacobs .Keep it up mate and best of luck with the grow.the postman.

[Buffalo Soldier]

temp is a funny thing.........I read somewhere that if you can put your hand just above the plants and tolerate the heat so can your plants. This is a great gauge, probably the best I have ever heard, if the area around the plants is truly hot to the hand then address your ventilation as best as possible....but then again, if the crop looks good...........well you get the idea.


never grew WW.....but I heard so many beautiful things.

:stoned:

[sjacobs713]

was looking at these 2 pics last night side by side, and although i am very down b/c of the yellowing that is occuring, seeing them grow, and the progress they have made sure lifted my spirits alot.. they are only 5 days apart from one another...:o :) :o :thumbsup:

PEACE
slim

by the way everyone, i got the temps down to 90, getting a much stronger fan sometime this week, so hopefully they'll go even lower..
thanks!

[sjacobs713]

my bad i am baked.. just smoked some "dro" for the first time in about 6 weeks.. :stoned:
anyways , this pic is 5 days younger than pic 2 above..

[sjacobs713]

:dance: :dance: :thumbsup:


my temps have finally gone down now!! i made the hour drive to the nearest hydro shop yesterday, and got the best help out there..
so you can basically see in the pics what i have done to bring in the A/C air into the room, and pull out the air...
that's the new squirrel cage that i got ( 425 CFM ), that's pulling the air directly out the hood, and out to the rest of the house..
the trick though, was that i did not have glass on my hood, so the air that it was pulling out before was not just the hot air from the bulb, but all the air from the room.. so i got some glass to fit the hood, and taped it up all around so that it was pressurizd.. i can put my hand 4 inches below and BARELY feel warmth..
going to split the room today in half, and put all the ones that look to have good potential on that side, and then set the other half the side up w/ CFL's and let the other little ones try to come in..
put a small fan inside of the air vent, so that it is blowing air into the dryer hose..
temps in the day time are at 84 and at night time 80... :D
got some 35% peroxide, and some ph up/down, ph tester for water, and fox farms nutes...
watered them all yesterday w/ 2 qts of water, 2-3 dops of peroxide, 2 drops of ph down, and 1/2 tspn of FoxFarms Grow Big..
all of my plants have had major bottom damage, but top growth seems to still be coming in alright.
starting to get a stinky aroma in the room, the plants.. now i have to buy some sort of odor control..something else :(
anyways, just an update..

PEACE!
slim

[Jdog7000]

I plan on running my intake threw the ac vent as well.
Not sure what I'm going to do about the exhaust.
Prabaly put it out the window above the ac unit. If I'm on the second story.
Otherwise I'll run it to the attic if possible. Or the basement.

[sjacobs713]

few new pics that i just took.. 8 real healthy plants ( over 12" tall ), and out of the 8, 6 of them are being " LST ".... laid the plant down at a 90 degree angle, opened up the middle ALOT and promoted new, beautiful growth...

think i can already tell which ones are the males, i heard that the ones that just have a major growth spurt, have a tendency to be male, and i've seen that from 2 of them.. who knows though :cool:

anways here's the pics...
by the way, my temps are at 6 hours of the day ( the hottest part of the day day, mid afternoon ) no higher than 83 degree's, and the rest of the day 78-80 degree's...:D :D
finally!! and they are loving that, they are growing soooo much..!!!!


......BUFFALO SOLDIER YOU OUT THERE?? .....

[4x5]

Lookin' good, nice setup too!

[sjacobs713]

still having issues w/ the leaf's, but the plants are still growing healthly..
i've added to my garden
2 - B-52,
3 - C- 99,
3 - BlockHead
3 - Master Kush
:D :dance: :D :dance: :pimp:

i will start to flower in 7 days, on the 13th it'll be 2 months, and then i'm going to swap them over..
i've got a couple of ladybugs running around in there, just as a preventative..

thinking about ordering a 250 watt HPS for these seedlings that are coming up..
i've built another area in the house for the seedlings w/ a couple of CFL's, but they absoulutely love that HID..
been giving them h2o2 in their waterings, and foliar fed them w/ some too.. they should like that..
i've been reading great things about h2o2 , if anyone has any pro's or con's on using i would love to hear them..

but anyways, just an update.. i'm still alive and kicking :D

[Jdog7000]

Your gonna love the Master Kush.

[sjacobs713]

posting this basically for my own reference..

[sjacobs713]

2 b-53
3 master kush
3 blockhead
3 C- 99

[PRiMe4u]

during the germination stage though, from just putting the seeds into the peat pellets, how long should i leave the lights on for? 18/6? i read in the grow bible that you should leave on for 24/0, know anything about that?

slimI know 24/0 works great, but ...... I'm wondering if 18/6 has needed benefits. Roots grow in DARK. I might try, but ...... to lose 6 hours of light iz hard to justify for sure. Experience will pay me enough, I hope. Don't let the hermie mythe be the rule. I like the stressed female seeds. Got a mom and she was stressed and seeded ??? KOOL 'cause they are PURE FEMALE, so they say. Maybe 18/6 will give me a bigger stronger plant quicker. Time will tell. Yoda said "The future iz alwayz changing.".

[PRiMe4u]

temp is a funny thing.........I read somewhere that if you can put your hand just above the plants and tolerate the heat so can your plants. This is a great gauge, probably the best I have ever heard, if the area around the plants is truly hot to the hand then address your ventilation as best as possible....but then again, if the crop looks good...........well you get the idea.


never grew WW.....but I heard so many beautiful things.

:stoned:OverGrow.com called that the "back of hand" test. Works for me. I'm always too far away or JUST RIGHT. When they melt, I back off. OOPzzz

[sjacobs713]

hey Prime4U, what is that link in the subject.. it doesnt go anywhere...
????

[Buffalo Soldier]

Hey SJ...sorry for my absence, busy, busy..........things are going very well on your end, congratulations. What kind of take do you expect pull?


see ya soon.......

[sjacobs713]

Buffalo-
what's going on man? long time know here from u..
plants are doing alright it seems like, they are getting bushy... i dont really expect a big amount, enought to keep me high till my next harvest...
u got anything going on?

PEACE!
slim

[s12fever]

Damn slim, looking tops!
I've got my eye on this thread ;)

[sjacobs713]

THINK I MAY HAVE COME ACROSS A COUPLE OF BALLS, AND IF THEY ARE BALLS, THEN I'VE GOT IT ON AT LEAST 4 OF MY PLANTS SO FAR...
I'VE BEEN WATCHING REAL CLOSE THOUGH, AND THERE IS ALOT OF NEW GROWTH COMING BETWEEN NODES TOO....
SO MAYBE IT'S JUST NEW LEAF'S GETTING READY TO SPROUT..
IT'S ONLY BECOME VISIBLE WITHIN THE PAST 12 HRS...
BUT HERE IS THE WHOLE GROW SO FAR..
GOING TO TRY AND GET SOME GOOD PICS AND POST LATER OF THE HUEVOS..

[Dutch Pimp]

This sexing part..... is the most nerve racking phase.....

[sjacobs713]

when the female "hairs" come in, do they just come straight out the node, in the form of a very small type of " hair ", or do they kind of build of a little cluster and then explode out?

[iwantFUEGO]

youll start seeing little white hairs poking out.
you cant miss it trust me.
The only reason your unsure right now is because it hasnt happened yet.
But you'll know it when you see it.

[s12fever]

Sjacobs, you still keen to swap 2 for 2 seeds?

If so, email me. [email protected]. ;)