who say's money dont grow on tree's

[friendowl]

cuz it sure the fuck does.
nothing makes a man feel prouder
than doing shit on his own,
in the last two days without even trying
i have been living a different life
i have the best buds around my area
ive made a substantial amount of chedda
i get paid more at home watching the simpsons
then i do all day at work
life is good

[MaryJaneintheCloset]

That's because you're awesome. :) :) :)

[weezy]

cool

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

money does, in fact, grow on trees, where does paper come from to make the money?


but anyways, money is overrated and has become an addictive drug to society.

life is simpler, and more rewarding, overall more prosperous, if people just do things on their own without relying on everyone else to make their products for them in exchange for worthless firestarter and coins.

[cannabis campbell]

Money does grow on tree's / plant's

There called cannabis plants :) :thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

but anyways, money is overrated and has become an addictive drug to society.

life is simpler, and more rewarding, overall more prosperous
yeah, but there still bills to pay!

[friendowl]

its not just the money
i walk down the block and everone is nicer than before
before it was like hey how you doing good to see yeah take care
now its more like
where you going come in are you thisrty/hungry can i get you something
im gonna go to the store can i get you something
where you going you just got here can you sell me an 1/8 th

[LIP]

money does, in fact, grow on trees, where does paper come from to make the money?


but anyways, money is overrated and has become an addictive drug to society.

life is simpler, and more rewarding, overall more prosperous, if people just do things on their own without relying on everyone else to make their products for them in exchange for worthless firestarter and coins.

One day soon paper will be made from hemp!

[graph]

Money doesn't grow on trees. It's made from a cotton composite. If it was made from paper, it would tear when it gets wet. If you look really closely at paper bills, you can see different colored synthetic strings. Mostly red and blue.

[Swizzy89304]

Money doesn't grow on trees. It's made from a cotton composite. If it was made from paper, it would tear when it gets wet. If you look really closely at paper bills, you can see different colored synthetic strings. Mostly red and blue.

You always spoil our fun.
Heartless bastard :p

[graph]

You always spoil our fun.
Heartless bastard :p
Graph, the loveable bastard!

Damn, it's too late to change my name.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Money doesn't grow on trees. It's made from a cotton composite. If it was made from paper, it would tear when it gets wet. If you look really closely at paper bills, you can see different colored synthetic strings. Mostly red and blue.

you want to know the really sad part?


i knew that :(


seems i had a brain fart... :D that happens when i dont get to get stoned...



in any case, it doesnt matter, hemp can replace cotton anyways, AND cotton comes from a tree, SO... im still right :D


also, i havent said this before, and i probably never will again:











BUTT MONKIES!!!

[graph]

well, except for the paper part.

Oh, and I could pull the douchebag card.
Cotton comes from shrubs of the Gossypium genus, so it's not a tree.

But I get your point, and you're right, so it doesn't matter.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

HA you admit it! im right and you're wrong! go md! *does a little dance :dance:

QUICKLY! GO ADVANCED!

keepin that quick reply box open at all times!



ok i'll say it again, but no more freebies... stupid buttmonkies...

[Fan o KmK]

money does, in fact, grow on trees, where does paper come from to make the money?


but anyways, money is overrated and has become an addictive drug to society.

life is simpler, and more rewarding, overall more prosperous, if people just do things on their own without relying on everyone else to make their products for them in exchange for worthless firestarter and coins.
that is one of the most rediculous things i have ever heard. all of you people who think everyone shouldnt be so attatched to money needs to wake up and grasp life. money is everything and everybody knows it. give away all your money and see how long you last.

[God v2.0]

You always spoil our fun.
Heartless bastard :p


you're just jelous of graphs obvious intellectual superiority







lol:dance:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

that is one of the most rediculous things i have ever heard. all of you people who think everyone shouldnt be so attatched to money needs to wake up and grasp life. money is everything and everybody knows it. give away all your money and see how long you last.


oh, grow a brain, cant you see how "WELL" money works? yes, the simple fact is we need it to survive in the world the way it is, but things dont have to be this way, money is a pointless ideal, and so are government and corperation.

frankly, you need to pull your head out of your ass and take a good long look at the way the world looks and then come back with your findings. you cant honnestly expect me to believe that money is in any way truly useful.

it is firestarter at best. oxygen, water, and plantlife are needed, money only proves to complicate the natural balance of the world, and in fact destroys the harmony that balance is intended to uphold!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

also, i meant to say this, but got absorbed...

all people who think money is in any way important need to wake up and grasp life.

LIFE, is not materialistic at all, LIFE is not your body's ability to survive, LIFE is not having the most toys, LIFE is living, surviving, and enjoying what LIFE has to offer.

[Fan o KmK]

^ lol are you kidding me.

[xblackdogx]

^^ and another one bites the dust...
[sooner rather than later]

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

^^^ this is fun, what are we doing?


yeah, Fan, im kidding you, REAL LIFE doesnt matter, just the act of AFFORDING life matters.[/sarcasm*]



*just in case you couldnt already tell, as i doubt your perceptive abilities.

[Fan o KmK]

lol oh. sorry. yea after my first post i didnt know it was you, didnt recognize the new avatar so sorry for sounding like a dick.

anyway, yea i understand what you mean, my point was, thinking that money isnt important and we dont need it is rediculous because the entire world including america revolves around money.

[Fan o KmK]

wait. hahah wtf. im so confused i have no idea what the hell your talking about. at first when i read your post i was like oh wait mayb hes kidding and isnt really dumb. but now im not sure. w/e i give up lol fuck it.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

lol oh. sorry. yea after my first post i didnt know it was you, didnt recognize the new avatar so sorry for sounding like a dick.

anyway, yea i understand what you mean, my point was, thinking that money isnt important and we dont need it is rediculous because the entire world including america revolves around money.


lol and i was gonna ask when you started being an ass to me :P it's all good, but you should reallythink things out better lol! rather than just posting a "superiority" post trying to teach the opposition, you should try to address every point of view positively.


in this case, you could have mentioned in what ways i was correct rather than blatently arguing lol but hey it's all good, no harm done, and im still right, and you're still wrong :D lol

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Actually, without money you'd be a bum. People that say money is bad probably havn't had to live without it. Being poor sucks dick. And Owl, more power to you, but if you get busted you'll take back everything you said.

that's exactly the problem! ugh you dont understand. we need to live completely free from currency all together so that it doesnt matter what you do or do not have, you cant be "poor" unless you are poor in spirit.


if you want a TV, find someone who will teach you how to make one. that's the way the world should work, industry is open for the people to make their OWN things.

you do the work, you get the reward, and go home happy and not even have to worry weather or not you can AFFORD something' everything's free if you can make it or use it.


there's enough of everything for everyone to have two of everything, and the resources for such to boot. but thanks to the system of money, there's not enough of anything for anyone, because no one can afford it!

[CaptainDankNuggets]

pimp shit

[God v2.0]

lol society doesnt function without money dope head. whats the incentive to do any kind of work? because you get a piece of paper that is supposed to be equal in 'value' to the work you did, this way you can trade that piece of paper for something that someone else has worked to build.



SSW, if the world didn't have 6+ BILLION PEOPLE then i would definatly agree with you. But with so many people its hard to have a community based on trading only and no currency.

because not everyone can grow food either, and not everyone can build a house or fix your computer for you. So how are you gonna survive with no shelter or food? so you HAVE to have some kind of skill or some kind of currency to even survive in this day and age.

Now there was a post a while back about wut would happen if we all got stuck on a deserted island together, if that happened then i would insist on a ban on currency and trade for what you need, like i help u build a house to protect you and you give me your extra food/water etc.


Of course if we were stuck on an island i would kill you all and make a raft out of your dead bodies and a sail out of your clothes and i would sail away to freedom.

[God v2.0]

Then when i go cannibal on you and eat your guts I will get high too. Plus I'll drink your blood and fat (boiled down to a frothy soup) so that I get even more THC! AHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHA











*chews on a finger*

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

GOD! OMG! BECAUSE the world has 6+ billion people currency no longer works!


we have to forget about all our STUPID and USELESS industrial ideals and focus on FEEDING the planet!


for god's sake open your eyes.

if it werent for money, people could sent SHIPLOADS of food to the starving countries!

who wants to do all that work you ask? WELL, considering the TECHNOLOGY we have that could be used in the farming process to swiften harvests, AND considering the miraculous prowess of cannabis, there are surely a lot of people who would be willing to do something for the betterment of others.

it's BECAUSE we "NEED" something in exchange for our labors that the world is SO fucked up like it is, we EXPECT to get something out of everything we do! it's sheer greed.
cannabis can grow pretty much EVERYWHERE, and requires hardly any work to grow. it can feed people and solve world hunger... but doesnt. im sure we can figure out why it doesnt, with a little research in laws.

politics and currency really screw the world over, and you SUPPORT this because you believe that it is nessacary to reward people for trying to survive!


survival is not reward enough, they have to be surrounded by THINGS that have NOTHING to do with survival.



i cant wait till this world purges itself.


just remember, Earth is a living BEING, a CREATURE far evolved beyond us, and DOES think. she'll purge herself if she gets too sick, just like any human would do if they get the flue; puke.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i didnt finish my post because there's a FUCK of a lot to consider, and i dont feel like bothering. i've been going on about this for a long time now, and almost no one listens. i've put too much effort into researching this stuff to argue right now. maybe later.

[da haze meister]

Stoner Shadow Wolf...
you never fail to blow my mind
with your retarded, pointless, cynical bullshit
Keep It Up!! :thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

learn a little more about cause and effect, overall awarenss, and gain an understanding of what in reality is truly important, then observe how our world lives for a month, just making observations and implementing the cause and effect understanding so as to accurately predict the outcome of life, and come back to me.


honnestly, i have put a lot of effort into researching reality, and im not about to back down just because YOU dont understand. you ALL* dont understand this, and that's what saddens me the most.


* "all" meaning most people, about 80-95 out of 100

[da haze meister]

learn a little more about cause and effect, overall awarenss, and gain an understanding of what in reality is truly important, then observe how our world lives for a month, just making observations and implementing the cause and effect understanding so as to accurately predict the outcome of life, and come back to me.


honnestly, i have put a lot of effort into researching reality, and im not about to back down just because YOU dont understand. you ALL* dont understand this, and that's what saddens me the most.


* "all" meaning most people, about 80-95 out of 100
first of all
if you want to be heard and understood by people
and not viewed as an arrogant piece of shit
you need to GET DOWN OFF OF YOUR FUCKING PEDESTAL
but listen
i understand what you mean about money
but it is a simple fact of shit
humans have wants and needs
originally it was bartering
now its in a different form
i realize that i do not have the capacity to change that
so its all chill
i use money
i would like to see how you live without money
and also
you are an ungrateful piece of shit
try moving to ethiopia
then you would realize how fortunate you really are
to be living in amerikkka
sorry dude
thats just how it is

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i'd prefer it honnestly.

you dont know me very well.


and dude... you DO have the capacity to make a change, but you LET them beat you into a submissive little BITCH who wont stand up for what is right!


i would rather give my life in standing up for what is right than slink down and accept the illogical system this world works on!



you're all weak and worthless, you're soulless vessils working for the people who have all the power, and you LET them have their power because you dont think you can make a change.


PATHETIC!

[da haze meister]

i'd prefer it honnestly.

you dont know me very well.


and dude... you DO have the capacity to make a change, but you LET them beat you into a submissive little BITCH who wont stand up for what is right!


i would rather give my life in standing up for what is right than slink down and accept the illogical system this world works on!



you're all weak and worthless, you're soulless vessils working for the people who have all the power, and you LET them have their power because you dont think you can make a change.


PATHETIC!
ok im not gonna be called a submissive little BITCH by a hypocrite
you criticized me for not knowing you
and you dont fucking know me
you are a fanatical fucker who will eventually be shot in the face by someone with half a brain
unlike
you
what if i dont prefer to make a change?
what says that it will be much better?
huh if u can tell me that i will shut up
fuckin piece of shit

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i'll argue about this tomorrow or something. but here, have this little tidbit: the native american culture flourished perfectly fine without materialistic needs, dispite their almost constant warring between tribes, their way of life was still far better and more prosperous without money than ours is with it.

and on top of that, when the white gennocidal invasion began, many tribes with bad blood bonded together to fight, and soon saw how pointless their petty warring amongst themselves really was. if it werent for the fact that they lost all their land, this would BE my ideal society. america would BE a cashless and prosperous place!


do a little research on the native american culture (i know i need to do more on my half though, so dont be an asshole if you come to me with shit i didnt know)

[da haze meister]

as i said before
MONEY IS JUST AN ADVANCED FORM OF BARTERING
the fucking INDIANS BARTERED
all humans will TRADE

it is a simple human thing
get used to it

[xblackdogx]

woohoo

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i never said i had anything against the barter system.

in FACT. the barter system is more advanced that currency! dear god that is a thick headed claim!


under the barter system, PRE-currency (gold counts as currency just FYI), homelessness was a result of lack of participation in real life (REAL life, not this CORPERATE BULLSHIT world controll with money), they were poor because they were poor in spirit, not because they were pocket poor!


NOW days, almost everyone is poor in spirit, just dragging along dreary day after dreary day, trying to lighten things up by saving money so they can party once a month. which is a quick fix at best.


in fact, most of the homeless people are RICHER in spirit than most of the corperate presidents and CEOs!


this makes me SICK.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

sorry about getting pissed off earlier. i dont want to fight about this or argue and i got real frusterated that you dont understand, and it's been a weird past few months for me anyways, but that's no excuse to go taking my frusteration out on anyone verbally or otherwise.


i dont want to fight, just want people to see how wrong money usage is, or has become anywyas.


yeah, about 90 years ago, i could have let it go, the corperations were either nonexistant or had no power ofver the world, the PEOPLE still had controll over the government in america, and everything seemed to be on the right track.


but once the corperations gained such financial controll over the world, it's all just gone to shit, and i cant fathome the inability for anyone else to percieve this and further more not stand up and fight.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i jsut read this and had to tripple post so as to elaborate my point:

it's hard to make a person understand something especcially when their paycheck depends on them NOT understanding.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

fuck you. it is people like you who are responsable for the evil of the world.

rather than standing up and doing what's right, you just bow and say "yes matsa".

the world isnt evil because people DO evil, it's because people, LIKE YOU, just LET THEM.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

life isnt about how fucking easy you can have it, life isnt about that at all, life is SUPPOSED to be a challenge, it's supposed to make you stronger physically and mentally. life is supposed to be enjoyable all the while! but fuck, you cant have that! you have to make sure everyone suffers. you gotta make sure that everyone is being controlled, gotta see to it that no one can be happy on their own efforts, gotta make them pay.


maybe not YOU directly, but god damn man, why do you just let it be? why dont you stand up and fight? just because it's easier? that shows how initially weak you are.


i shouldnt have come back to the boards, should i?

[JunkYard]

Stoner, even with your system, there will be wealthy, and unwealthy alike...

Take for intance a person who has a trade that everyone needs; his services will be needed more than say someone who shoe's horses. Not everyone will be fortunate enough to do something everyone needs. Therefore, not everyone will be equal...just like it is now!

Money is not evil, but it does place people in classes, which your sytem would do as well.

Btw, not too many people will provide their services w/o something in return. A farmer won't simply give his food away, he'll need something given back to him, and if you can't provide something he needs, then your sh!t out of luck! ;)

I think your system would fail, whereas the system we have now actually WORKS! Why fix what's not broken?

Seriously, what would be the difference between your sytem, and what we have now, man? (Other than certain starvation for those who have no beneficial trade)

You may not agree with our monotary system, but it DOES work!

I'm interested to know 'why' you think your system is better than what we have now, because I don't see it!

How would it work, and what exactly do you suggest I be fighting for?

Being realistic,

[graph]

fuck you. it is people like you who are responsable for the evil of the world.

rather than standing up and doing what's right, you just bow and say "yes matsa".

the world isnt evil because people DO evil, it's because people, LIKE YOU, just LET THEM.

You own a computer. You're a bitch to the system too.

You wanna show me you can live without money, go grab your ass a farm and start tilling your own land. Once you got a good life going without money, I'll pick up a shovel and join you.

Damn, you're the defenition of a hippycrit (a hippie and a hypocrit, just in case you didn't know) The world is evil and money is the root of all evil, but please give me money so I can get out of this fascist country.

Money isn't the root of all evil, rather the love of money.

We have to be the world's bitch, that's the way it works. Sorry, really I am, but that's the truth.

[Funkamander]

*smacks graph on the ass* :thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you dont even KNOW how my system works, Junkyard, as i have not yet outlined anything, only given brief glimpses of fragments of the whole.



not right now, as i am DEAD tired and cant sleep (i'll be posting elsewhere soon) but the general idea is to make everything usable to everyone.


for example, you want a new couch. you can either try to barter for it, and bartering does not disclude physical labor, just FYI-given your farm example, or you can learn how to make it yourself. it's not that hard, but other things, like a TV would be a most difficult process, as one would have to learn a lot about cybernetics and plastics, among other things, but it's not impossible. you would then go to a factory and build your TV yourself.


yes, there is the maintainance factor, and people would have to routinely check and fix things, but i can see them as either being hired, and given special little badges that say "i eat for free" or something OR you would be required to perform these duties prior to using the machines.


overall, it revolves around teaching everyone everything about everything everyone can be taught about.


so that anyone can do any job.



people dont have specific jobs, they come and go as they please.


go to a restraunt and do some cleanup, make some food, and eat.


sure, i can see money still having a use, but it will not DOMINATE the world, and in fact will be worth less than physical labor, and not a real form of currency, but something along the lines of trade, most likely import-export related.


graph...


i would if i could but i cant so i wont.



i aspire to, believe me, and if i can get a chance to work on a farm, i am there, but i have not had such opprutunities knocking at my door in a while... make that ever.


although my uncle's friends have a sort of farm, i am half tempted to talk to them about letting me help out, and half shying away cuz i dont want to impose on my uncle's friends, THOUGH im sure they would love to have me around to help out.


next time i am down there, i intend to talk to them.

oh, and for the record, i dont own any computers, nor do i actually pay any money for anything.

i dont earn a paycheck, so i am not contributing in any way other than the fact that i do spend what money my dad gives me for food (hey, i gotta eat, cut me some slack eh?).

[Euphoric]

Of course if we were stuck on an island i would kill you all and make a raft out of your dead bodies and a sail out of your clothes and i would sail away to freedom.

ahAahAahah

[Funkamander]

Wow. I guess that whole "surgery" thing will be a thing of the past.

Unless, of course, you find someone who will teach you how, if you give him a potato.

[Az.]

that's exactly the problem! ugh you dont understand. we need to live completely free from currency all together so that it doesnt matter what you do or do not have, you cant be "poor" unless you are poor in spirit.

I understand what you are saying and completly 100% agree with it!!

The world would be abetter place if we didn't have money at all!

People are talking about living in "reletive poverty", if everyone in the world started again from 0 alot of people would die....mostly the materialistic people who think that they need money to survive....but alot of people would survive

I honestly think the world would be a better place if there was no money/electricity etc etc and if we had to hunt for our food...

I would love to have lived like that!

(I haven't read the rest of the thread btw.....so im probably a bit behind!!)lol

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

dude, MOST Doctors and surgons get into the practice out of the kindness of their hearts, and do it for the people, not the paychecks.

this will, for one, eliminate the greedy bastards from practicing and likely reduce malpractice.


yeah, that's real great... "i'll only save your life if you pay me *dr. evil style* one MILLION dollars!" :rolleyes: REAL great.

[JunkYard]

you dont even KNOW how my system works, Junkyard, as i have not yet outlined anything, only given brief glimpses of fragments of the whole.

Fair enough, but the glimps you gave creates quite the impression, man.


overall, it revolves around teaching everyone everything about everything everyone can be taught about.


so that anyone can do any job.

(Jack of all trades, but master of none?)

Intersting, but not 'realistic', imo.

We've evolved beyond a system like this, it's called progress, and I shudder of the thought of going back.

But that's just me, I'm a sheep, and I really like money. ;)

Could it work?

Yes!

Even so, it's not likely that modern civilization would be willing to live in such a manner, or ever 'want' to regress into such an ancient lifestyle. We've become far too modernized, and far too lazy to learn everything about everything! Besides, time would be an issue!

We have everything at our fingertips as is, and all we have to do is work hard to attain the things we want. The system we have now works just fine, and there are many flaws to your system per what you have disclosed thus far...

Just my thoughts, man!

No offence, but I think your living in a dream world of your own design. It's just not a feasible ideal, imo!

Please elloborate when you have the tim, though. I'm more than willing to try to understand your p.o.v. ;)

[smokin dope]

someone said it best that ya money is a drug on todays society...but theres just somethin bout rollin in my lac and smokin dope and spendin that i just love

[JunkYard]

I'd be on-board with you if the world were ever destroyed, leaving only a few survivors. I think your ideas would be top notch in such a scenario. :thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I'd be on-board with you if the world were ever destroyed, leaving only a few survivors. I think your ideas would be top notch in such a scenario. :thumbsup:

lol FRANKLY, that is the only way to get my ideals IN to action, because let's face it, the world is ignorant, fat, and lazy this side of the prime meradian and north the equator.


nothing short of an apocolypse will shock the people enough to make them realize what's truly important, SO while this WOULD work if you could get enough people to participate, it's not going to HAPPEN unless everyone were dying in all sorts of natural and unnatural disasters.


i have yet to devise any way of getting people to listen.


you display the best bet: agree but defy. while you agree with it, you wouldnt do it yourself unless everyone else did it.


and anyone else who agrees will likely take that same stance.


FEW people are willing to truly earn their rewards, they would rather just work for and pay for them, rather than do the ACTUAL work themselves.



in the mean time, im just waiting for the apocolypse, or trying to incite a revolt against the USA government.

[Funkamander]

I didn't mean surgery goes away because doctors only do it to get paid. I meant nothing of the sort.

This is what I am saying.

Imagine your world. Except, second generation. Nobody knows anything from before, now it all has to be taught again.

It's simply not possible to learn surgery.

If you wanted to take the YEARS out of your life to learn enough to make a real difference, you'd be dead. Because you have to concentrate on food. You could trade for food, except the only things you own are tools you need to survive. Everything else is just weighing you down.

There's only one way to learn surgery. Pick a partner.

He learns how to get food, you learn how to perform surgery. But there's more! You should probably bring on another for protection against the thieves. Sure, everyone's all friends in the New Age, but not EVERYONE.

And maybe another for entertainment. And another for clothes, maybe. And, maybe you should make a permanent home. It's not always easy finding or building shelter when everyone else is also drifting around...

You see where I'm going with this? All you're talking about doing is going back a few hundred years, except not really. Because we'd all know how easy we could have it. And we'd snap right back, once we re-learned EVERYONE DOESN'T ALWAYS WANT TO SHARE EVERYTHING.

[willystylle]

If society has become addicted to money - then why doesn't govt. ban that shit?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

If society has become addicted to money - then why doesn't govt. ban that shit?
the government IS society :rolleyes:


funky, hon, your arguement lacks logic.


the next generation isnt going to lose anything from the last generation, if they did, they'de be dead.


the first generation has it's responsability, as it already does, or should, to teach the next gen of kids everthing they can. it's called passing on wisdom, it worked in the past, why doesnt it work now?


as for everyone not wanting to share, the greedy bastards can die for all i care really, but hey, that's just me, and im not one to impose my beliefs on others. i might suggest it a lot and push, but i cant force, that's beyond me.


now honnestly, i dont understand what you dont understand, so i cant really answer you well.


why is everyone all the sudden roaming around and suddenly forgot how to use a car and a gas pump?

everything's still here, the technology still exists, it's just not in controlled hands anymore, everyone has access to everything, and of course, if you havent guessed, weapons, especcially of mass destruction, have been obliterated on the moon or rocketed to the other side of the sun or something.

[graph]

Right now, today, give up all of your worldly possessions. Hitch-hike to north carolina, or a likewise area. Find yourself a nice farmer, and ask to be hired as a farmhand, not for money, but for food and a small piece of land with which you can till and make your own food. Build a small shack and live ther.

Then, and only then, will I believe you can live without money.


See, all your vision says is that there should not be a standard by which all labor is shown worth. There will still be greedy people, and those people will only be able to fluorish under your system.

Let's go back to the doctors you keep bringing up. Now let's say that, God forbid, someone with a greedy heart learns the doctor's trade. Since there is no standard, what if the doctor wants everything the person owns in order to save their life? Nothing's stopping them, because the person dying doesn't know it could be done for cheaper.

In your system, some brilliant mind will some day stand up and say "hey, why don't we create a standard by which our labor is rewarded?". At that day, money will not be thought of as evil. I am not saying evil will not form, but, maybe, JUST maybe, it's a necessary evil.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the standard?!? the standard is the immediate results! that is the reward!

everyone knows pretty much how to use everything. not everyone will have the skills of a doctor, but the vast majority would have an understanding of general health and nutrition and could easily diagnoss something or other.

(i dont keep bringing up the dr. stuff btw, just fyi)

AND, god forbid, a greedy surgon does come along, he'd get the hell beaten out of him if anyone found out he was stealing everyone's worldly possessions in exchange for saving their lives.

considering there would be no primary law enforcement, it would be like a gigantic neighborhood watch, friends would help friends, wouldnt they? god forbid there is a complete loner without any friends, who cares? obviously no one likes him, nad if i were in his place, i wouldnt care if i died or not anyways, i got no one to care about or be cared about, so it doesnt matter to this person weather or not the surgon will help them.

and if it's not a loner, it will be someone with friends, who also have other friends... friends dont let friends get taken advantage of, and would find a way to screw the surgon over and repay their friend with a bad heart or whatever.


there WOULD be a sort of government, but it would be VERY small, and under the controll of the people. no two villages/towns/cities would have exactly the same laws, every county would be as though another country, all within one nation, so that's to say if you dont like the way people work together in georgia, you can move to oregon and live freer, or with more restrictions. there would be a place for everyone. SURE there'd be new york, denver, LA, and chicago, STILL using the SAME tried and true cash driven society we have now, but all the smaller villages and cities wouldnt be heald back by this system, they would be permitted to flourish on their own power.


ALSO, i would do away with fossil fuels and anything that contributes to greenhouse gases and smog.

fuels would be bio-diesel or gasoline derrived from vegetables and/or cannabis, hemp would be the primary building block for pretty much everything (did you know about Henry Ford's T1? read up on it, cannabis was involved ;)).

im not saying there wont be problems at all, that's inevitable, but the good does outweigh the bad i would think.

in about an hour or three (depends on how i feel) i will type out an outline as best i can and try to anticipate your every arguement, and post it somewhere in it's own thread.


also, an idea i have been toying with is cash with cannabis... say one leaf = the equivelant of $1. cash still exists, but is split between paper money and cannabis, that way you can grow your own money and if you can stop yourself from smoking it... lol


but i also understand that wouldnt work due to inflation so, i have a lot to consider before i start shelling out that idea.

[da haze meister]

ok shadow wolf
your ideas are valid
in an apocalyptic setting
but for now they are utter bullshit
i know you pay taxes
you bought a computer
gave money to the system
u have a digital camera
money to the system

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ok shadow wolf
your ideas are valid
in an apocalyptic setting
but for now they are utter bullshit
i know you pay taxes
you bought a computer
gave money to the system
u have a digital camera
money to the system
he's right we're all the system's bitch. Your ideas are good but you are thinking too optimistically. One bad person would kill your society.

[Funkamander]

Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

God forbid there is a complete loner without any friends, who cares? obviously no one likes him, nad if i were in his place, i wouldnt care if i died or not anyways, i got no one to care about or be cared about, so it doesnt matter to this person weather or not the surgon will help them.

So, since YOU can't take life without companionship, all loners are just as pathetic? Sometimes, people choose to be alone. As a matter of fact, it happnes thousands of times everyday. Looks like they're forced into the cities.

That's okay. I'll be here to help them out.

"No no. You don't have to teach me anything. You can just have this 5 bucks for a sandwich."

Oh, and we get the real doctors. You know, the ones who can stop diseases, not just make a sling.

Sounds good to me. Have fun sucking dick for scuba lessions. :D

[Nochowderforyou]

Yes, money does grow on trees. I've been sleeping in bud the last week. :D