Report: NSA Has Call Data On Millions

[Gumby]

WASHINGTON, May 11, 2006
(AP / CBS)

(CBS/AP) The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, a newspaper reports Thursday.

The government has amassed detailed records of calls of ordinary Americans â??across town or across the country â?? to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others, according to a USA TODAY report.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/11/politics/main1609261.shtml

[xblackdogx]

Better article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/nsahasmassivedatabaseofamericansphonecalls;_ylt=Ag U5Tfeq5hIbILyqLmp0PY.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBH NlYwN0bQ--

pretty crazy though, you and me [assuming you have verizon, att, or bellsouth],
they have logs of our calls
and the companies got paid for the info!
corporations and government agencies
play too closely with so much money

fuel the fire for each other on corruption

[eg420ne]

Well at least USAma and da girls sleep well at night knowing NSA looking for them, Oh wait thats not happening....Trust your government they know best they love you, what! you dont like being screened! what do you got to hide!, just because you go to gay porn sites dont make you gay, <--from your favorite spy agency The NSA

[halo]

LOL looks like the civil war should start any day now!

[Myth1184]

Hey guys...you know your morons right..These records are already Public Knowledge and already are collected by Phone Companies. But Wo if the Gov starts to collect them, then its a vast Neo Conserv conspiracy. You guys need to get outside more.

[xblackdogx]

Hey guys...you know your morons right..These records are already Public Knowledge and already are collected by Phone Companies. But Wo if the Gov starts to collect them, then its a vast Neo Conserv conspiracy. You guys need to get outside more.
if it was public knowledge,
the NSA wouldn't be paying millions for it
and also be spending millions to cover it up

[Shelbay]

Hey guys...you know your morons right..These records are already Public Knowledge and already are collected by Phone Companies. But Wo if the Gov starts to collect them, then its a vast Neo Conserv conspiracy. You guys need to get outside more.
Your saying that a log of millions of personal calls are already public knowledge? I don't think so....

[Gumby]

Hey guys...you know your morons right..These records are already Public Knowledge and already are collected by Phone Companies. But Wo if the Gov starts to collect them, then its a vast Neo Conserv conspiracy. You guys need to get outside more.

the dumbest thing I think i've heard in a while...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20060511/cm_thenation/20060320shorrock
Despite the President's rigorous defense of the program, no company has dared to admit its cooperation publicly. Their reticence is understandable: The Justice Department has launched a criminal investigation of the government officials who leaked the NSA story to the Times, and many constitutional scholars and a few lawmakers believe the program is both illegal and unconstitutional. And the companies may be embarrassed at being caught--particularly AT&T, which spent millions advertising its global services during the
Winter Olympics. "It's a huge betrayal of the public trust, and they know it," says Bruce Schneier, the founder and chief technology officer of Counterpane Internet Security, a California consulting firm.

Corporations have been cooperating with the NSA for half a century. What's different now is that they appear to be helping the NSA deploy its awesome computing and data-mining powers inside the United States in direct contravention of US law, which specifically bans the agency from collecting information from US citizens living inside the United States. "They wouldn't touch US persons before unless they had a FISA warrant," says a former national security official who read NSA intercepts as part of his work for the State Department and the
Pentagon.

[Gumby]

WASHINGTON, DC (KNX) -- The story broken by USA Today yesterday about massive mining of the private phone records of millions of Americans has created a bipartisan firestorm on Capitol Hill.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) vowed to haul telephone companies before his committee under oath to ferret out details the Bush administration refuses to supply, and more than 50 House Democrats signed a letter demanding a criminal investigation by a special counsel.

In the House, Representatives Jane Harman (D-CA) and John Conyers (D-MI) immediately introduced a joint bill to kill the gargantuan database of U.S. citizens' phone records.

The measure would require any attempt to easvesdrop on Americans or collect telephone or e-mail records to be be conducted in accordance with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA), or Title III of the criminal code. In both cases, court warrants based on probable cause are required. The legislation states that FISA is the exclusive way to conduct electronic surveillance of U.S. persons on U.S. soil for intelligence purposes.

[xblackdogx]

this [NSA PROGRAM in general] really is a ridiculous stunt by the gov't
every hard question asked toward them, they answer the following
we cannot confirm or deny the existence of the program due to its classified nature, to respond to an inquiry in which i cannot confirm nor deny is unsustainable.

FUCK, NATIONAL SECURITY,
lies upon lies
over simple questions
CONGRESS IS FORSAKEN
ALL WRITTEN INTO LAW ACCEPTED
by CONGRESS THEMSELVES
the fear in which they live
of being unpatriotic or bombed by Pinocchio [unknowingly]
the POWER OF PROPOGANDA
"DUCK, a tower in your city falling soon!"

FUCK the Patriot ACT

[Gumby]

but don't you know we are fighting terrorist... we should be afraid of them... we should fear them and give up all our right because of that... duh...

"The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people." - Noam Chomsky

I can't wait till they start making us get tattos proving we're american and putting all the ones who are not into nice camps... the liberties for safety shit is horrible... I cannot believe it works so well and people are so ignorant.

When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other in order that the people may require a leader. -- Plato

[xblackdogx]

BTW: written in the PATRIOT ACT is any information found is shared b/w ALL agencies [fbi, cia, dea, nsa, ss] ....
so they have phone logs, and then you cross that into another database
and bam you have SS#, address, bank statements....
TOO MANY corrupt officials for that information to be open like that

[Psycho4Bud]

I'm really on a wire on this one.....on one hand, this is a kick in the nuts to the privacy issue....but on the other, if some freak is known to be plotting something, it would be nice to know who his buddies are.

Out of country calls to "rogue" states is another issue.

I would imagine that I could be on a list....I've had stuff sent to my house from Amsterdam, the U.K., Canada, and Jordon within the last 3 years....oh well, they'll find I'm actually rather boring!:D

Flip a coin and hope to hell your right I guess!:cool:

[Gumby]

you mean we do have a number that they use to track all of us?? I guess they can give it a nice name and make it seem like it's for our saftey and not taking away our rights...

Before 1986, people often did not have a Social Security number until the age of about 14, since they were used for tax purposes and those under that age seldom had remunerative employment. In 1986, American taxation law was altered so that individuals over 5 years old without Social Security numbers could not be claimed as dependents on tax returns. Since then, parents have often applied for Social Security numbers for their children as soon as they were born.

Purpose and use

The original purpose of this number was to administer the Social Security program, but it has come to be used also as a "primary key" (a de facto national ID number) for individuals within the United States. This is a major example of functionality creep. Payroll, university student records, credit records, and driver's licenses are sometimes indexed by Social Security number. The U.S. military has used the Social Security number as an identification number for all service members since 1969. As a result, disclosure and processing of these numbers is of major concern to many citizens and privacy advocates.

What I'm wondering is why did no one watch Good Times... they talked about this shit back then... I just hope more and more people start seeing the whole larger picture of what our government is doing.


I can't wait till Hyden confirmation though, I think more will come out about the NSA stuff and the truth will sway a few more people.... I just have a feeling it's going to take more and more of the 'leaks' and breaking the law before a large enough number of people wake up and do something to change .

[Psycho4Bud]

The S.S. number for younger children is still used for tax purposes when it comes to claiming dependents or in which case the tax exemption is switched from year to year for the separated parents.