September 11, 2001 "Insider's Job"... Bush's own staff admit it was a inside job!!!

[skarz]

Reynolds: 'Come Out of the White House with Your Hands Up!'

Kevin Barrett, 07.05.2006 13:06

Ex-Bush Official Busts 9/11 Perps at U.W. Historical Society

Madison, WI
Saturday, May 6, 2006

An enthusiastic standing-room-only crowd packed the Wisconsin Historical Society auditorium Saturday to hear ex-Bush Administration insider Morgan Reynolds prosecute top administration and military officials for the 9/11 inside job.

Reynolds to Cheney: "You're BUSTED!"

Reynolds indicted Richard Cheney, George W. Bush, former Joint Chiefs Chairman Richard Meyers, confessed WTC demolisher and insurance-fraudster Larry Silverstein, and others for mass murder, conspiracy, and other charges including high treason. The enthusiastic response from the overflow crowd was a de facto vote for conviction on all counts.

The former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis, showed that the defendants conspired to create a false cover story of suicide hijackings in order to 'blow the World Trade Center to kingdom come' with explosives, a shock-and-awe psy-op designed to coerce the American people into supporting a pre-planned 'long war' in the Middle East, massive increases in military spending, and the rollback of Constitutional civil liberties.

Reynolds stated that everyone in the worldwide intelligence community knew that 9/11 was an inside job as soon as it happened, with the obvious stand-down of US air defenses, controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, and non-protection of the President in Florida being the biggest tip-offs. The head of the Russian equivalent of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the former head of the German intelligence service Andreas Von Bulow, former National Security Agency official Wayne Madsen, and former MI-6 agent David Schayler have all openly called 9/11 an inside job, while former CIA official Ray McGovern has confirmed this directly in private, and indirectly in public by way of his ringing endorsement of David Ray Griffin's work on 9/11.

Reynolds, who served as George W. Bush's Labor Department Chief Economist in 2001-2002, believes that a 9/11 truth victory is looming on the near-term horizon. He predicted that one or more of the 9/11 insiders will soon 'give it up' and come forward with what they know, saying 'Remember, you heard it here first.' He said that most of those complicit in the attacks did not realize how over-the-top the plot was, due to the need-to-know compartmentalization of such covert operations, and that some semi-complicit individuals will probably be coming forward. Reynolds said that most of his email acquaintances are now worried that the 9/11 truth movement is going to win, triggering the greatest Constitutional crisis in U.S. history. For Reynolds, this is less a cause for worry than for rejoicing: 'We need a Constitutional crisis!'

Reynolds argued that 9/11 truth is a matter of extreme urgency, since the perpetrators seem to be preparing another 9/11-style terror hoax as a pretext for attacking Iran with nuclear weapons. He said that exposing the 9/11 fraud is the best way to stop Cheney's plan to stage an unprovoked nuclear attack on Iran, and the military draft and Pinochet-style prison camps and death squads for dissenters that might accompany it.

Reynolds urged the audience to help educate the American public about the 9/11 inside job. Personal contact with family and friends, the internet, alternative media, and public events like this are all good educational strategies, he said, adding that a demonstration of 100,000 9/11 truth supporters at Ground Zero next year would be hard for the media to ignore.

Politicians and the media will help expose the 9/11 inside job, he said, only after the growing grassroots movement reaches critical mass. The organizers of Reynolds' talk urged audience members to come to the upcoming international 9/11 truth conference in Chicago, 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future, June 2nd-4th, 2006: http://911revealingthetruth.org

[Gumby]

Don't you feel a change a coming
from another side of time
breaking down the walls of silence
lifting shadows from your mind
Placing back the missing mirrors
that before you couldn't find
filling mysteries of emptiness
that yesterday left behind

And we all know it's better
Yesterday has past
now let's all start the living
for the one that's going to last
And we all know it's better
Yesterday has past
now let's all start the living
for the one that's going to last

Don't you feel the day is coming
that will stay and remain
when your children see the answers
that you saw the same
when the clouds have all gone
there will be no more rain
and the beauty of all things
is uncovered again

- god (cat stevens)... a terrorist on their fucking watch list... the same terrorist that wrote Peace Train... I can't wait till the truth comes out...

[xblackdogx]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Reynolds

this guy seems pretty credible...
i'm glad that the outbreak will happen soon!
for it is necessary

[skarz]

I doubted his credibility too, he WAS part of the Bush administration for christs sake! But, after some research I found him to be quite credible, I'm so glad he came out and started talking about it! I might bump this a few times so more people have the chance to read it!

[Gumby]

skarz, where did you find this about him??

[Gumby]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

that was a good read....

[skarz]

Yea, there's some extremely interesting stuff in his articles! I can't wait until more peope find out about this, they need to know!

[skarz]

** I posted this in the politics forum before but I'm posting it here because people need to know about this!**

Reynolds: 'Come Out of the White House with Your Hands Up!'

Kevin Barrett, 07.05.2006 13:06

Ex-Bush Official Busts 9/11 Perps at U.W. Historical Society

Madison, WI
Saturday, May 6, 2006

An enthusiastic standing-room-only crowd packed the Wisconsin Historical Society auditorium Saturday to hear ex-Bush Administration insider Morgan Reynolds prosecute top administration and military officials for the 9/11 inside job.

Reynolds to Cheney: "You're BUSTED!"

Reynolds indicted Richard Cheney, George W. Bush, former Joint Chiefs Chairman Richard Meyers, confessed WTC demolisher and insurance-fraudster Larry Silverstein, and others for mass murder, conspiracy, and other charges including high treason. The enthusiastic response from the overflow crowd was a de facto vote for conviction on all counts.

The former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis, showed that the defendants conspired to create a false cover story of suicide hijackings in order to 'blow the World Trade Center to kingdom come' with explosives, a shock-and-awe psy-op designed to coerce the American people into supporting a pre-planned 'long war' in the Middle East, massive increases in military spending, and the rollback of Constitutional civil liberties.

Reynolds stated that everyone in the worldwide intelligence community knew that 9/11 was an inside job as soon as it happened, with the obvious stand-down of US air defenses, controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, and non-protection of the President in Florida being the biggest tip-offs. The head of the Russian equivalent of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the former head of the German intelligence service Andreas Von Bulow, former National Security Agency official Wayne Madsen, and former MI-6 agent David Schayler have all openly called 9/11 an inside job, while former CIA official Ray McGovern has confirmed this directly in private, and indirectly in public by way of his ringing endorsement of David Ray Griffin's work on 9/11.

Reynolds, who served as George W. Bush's Labor Department Chief Economist in 2001-2002, believes that a 9/11 truth victory is looming on the near-term horizon. He predicted that one or more of the 9/11 insiders will soon 'give it up' and come forward with what they know, saying 'Remember, you heard it here first.' He said that most of those complicit in the attacks did not realize how over-the-top the plot was, due to the need-to-know compartmentalization of such covert operations, and that some semi-complicit individuals will probably be coming forward. Reynolds said that most of his email acquaintances are now worried that the 9/11 truth movement is going to win, triggering the greatest Constitutional crisis in U.S. history. For Reynolds, this is less a cause for worry than for rejoicing: 'We need a Constitutional crisis!'

Reynolds argued that 9/11 truth is a matter of extreme urgency, since the perpetrators seem to be preparing another 9/11-style terror hoax as a pretext for attacking Iran with nuclear weapons. He said that exposing the 9/11 fraud is the best way to stop Cheney's plan to stage an unprovoked nuclear attack on Iran, and the military draft and Pinochet-style prison camps and death squads for dissenters that might accompany it.

Reynolds urged the audience to help educate the American public about the 9/11 inside job. Personal contact with family and friends, the internet, alternative media, and public events like this are all good educational strategies, he said, adding that a demonstration of 100,000 9/11 truth supporters at Ground Zero next year would be hard for the media to ignore.

Politicians and the media will help expose the 9/11 inside job, he said, only after the growing grassroots movement reaches critical mass. The organizers of Reynolds' talk urged audience members to come to the upcoming international 9/11 truth conference in Chicago, 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future, June 2nd-4th, 2006: http://911revealingthetruth.org

[JR77]

Are you a moron? That is the stupidest thing I have ever read....Why don't you go live in Russia

[Hunternora]

There is no way America would do this to its self... Look at what happened to the economy, there is NO even trade off for the hit we took (not to mention the thouands of innocent lives...). I'm sure we're not hearing the whole truth, but come on, even if we did blow the towers, why didn't anyone see someone planting C4?
Bogus.

[xblackdogx]

^^trade off:
gov't gets more power [patriot act]-which is all over the news right now
and what do you think government spending does to the economy?

[eg420ne]

WoW hunternora & jr77 very convincing arguments

[skarz]

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=closed_minds_on_911

Haha, this article is great for the doubters out there :)!

[God v2.0]

There is no way America would do this to its self... Look at what happened to the economy, there is NO even trade off for the hit we took (not to mention the thouands of innocent lives...). I'm sure we're not hearing the whole truth, but come on, even if we did blow the towers, why didn't anyone see someone planting C4?
Bogus.

you are absolutly right, just take a look at the american economy. gas prices are through the roof, but its still costing the same amount to buy the oil, wtf?

we're on the verge of an economic crisis because bush wont fucking stop spending OUR (thats right mine and yours) money!

why would our govt give a shit about a few thousand lives? especially foreign ones too (not everyone in the WTC was from america). I mean they have no fucking problem sending out youth to die horribly in afgahnistan and iraq (why are we in iraq???????? all there is is desert with oil under it........


watch the video Loose change, if you actually paid any attention at all or researched to make sure you're right before you post something then you would know that several levels were cleared out for unexplained reasons DAYS before 9/11. giving them PLENTY of oppourtunity to plant explosives, and why couldnt we see them? well it would've been really smart to leave a bomb out in the open for everyone too see right? if you had an IQ above 10 then you would put the bomb in a wall or in a sealed box or somewhere else.

oh and bomb dogs were pulled from the building at the same time the levels were cleared out, coincidence? maybe, but it seems unlikely.






so unless you can explain the unscheduled evac of a few floors and the fact that bomb sniffing dogs that were supposed to be there were not, then i think i believe the 'conspiricy'.







why is it so hard for some of you people to believe anyways, how many times has there been a group of outright FOOLS who eat up every word the officals say until their whole illusion of a world is finally shattered by the truth?


sometimes i just dont understand. i mean everyone tells the truth right? so why shouldn't we believe everything everyone says about everything?

[God v2.0]

Last June I was explaining the fuss over my 9/11 article to a family member who shall remain anonymous and he interrupted and said, â??I donâ??t want to talk about it.â?� Millions join him in that sentiment. By implication they might as well say: â??Iâ??d rather cling to the official 9/11 mythâ?� = â??If mass murderers run free, Iâ??m fine with thatâ?� = â??If 9/11 was an inside job, then Iâ??m ruled by monsters and I might have to do something about it, Iâ??d rather watch Paris Hilton.â?�








that right there pretty much sums it up.

[God v2.0]

i mean it was hitlers right hand man who said "All you have to do is tell the masses they are being attacked and then denounce the non-supporters for beings unpatriotic and anti-(american)"








here i found the actual quote


"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
Hermann Gőring, Nazi leader at the Nuremberg trials
www.mediamonitors.net/gowans41.html

[krustythfreakinclown]

9/11 was done by the government to turn this country into a police state, period.

And because people have allowed themselves to feel scared, they are willing to go along with whatever Congress, the Supreme Court and the President say.

Ick.

Vote Libertarian.

[Psycho4Bud]

I did a bit of research on Reynold also, VERY disgruntled man!

[Fan o KmK]

ok forgive my ignorace but is this seriously real?

[Psycho4Bud]

ok forgive my ignorace but is this seriously real?

All depends if you believe that 4 airplanes full of people were paid off by the CIA with all the witnesses family members, friends, etc..........

Clinton can't get away with getting a B.J. in the oval office but Bush can get away with this????? GET REAL FOLKS!

[xblackdogx]

^^^ please,
look at all the scandals JUST SURFACING NOW
things are covered up very well

[eg420ne]

LOL OMG the media 100% behind this government or shall i say in on it from the get go...

[eg420ne]

Hey psycho you keep on saying the airplanes were full of people but the planes were not full of people maybe 35 & under in each plane...and weres dem arabs at on the list, oh yeah i forgot its a disgraces to post them in the same list as the victims

[thcbongman]

"you are absolutly right, just take a look at the american economy. gas prices are through the roof, but its still costing the same amount to buy the oil, wtf?"

Prices are based on on the cost to restock it, which means oil, transportation, profit, etc. etc.

"we're on the verge of an economic crisis because bush wont fucking stop spending OUR (thats right mine and yours) money!"

Partly, but we brought it upon ourselves. We are a credit society who in reality, doesn't keep too good track of debt. It reflects upon our government as well. While this powers the economy, eventually the well will run dry.

"why would our govt give a shit about a few thousand lives? especially foreign ones too (not everyone in the WTC was from america). I mean they have no fucking problem sending out youth to die horribly in afgahnistan and iraq (why are we in iraq???????? all there is is desert with oil under it........"

"
watch the video Loose change, if you actually paid any attention at all or researched to make sure you're right before you post something then you would know that several levels were cleared out for unexplained reasons DAYS before 9/11. giving them PLENTY of oppourtunity to plant explosives, and why couldnt we see them? well it would've been really smart to leave a bomb out in the open for everyone too see right? if you had an IQ above 10 then you would put the bomb in a wall or in a sealed box or somewhere else"

They don't. Then again, it's hard to tell what is real and what's made up, I'm talking about both sides of the story. Some points in Loose Change made common sense, but the way WTC is designed, it was meant to fall straight down if that were the case. The steel columns are designed to hold the entire weight in the center, so all the weight shifts towards the middle like an implosion if indeed these beams collapsed. What isn't plausable is how the beams would collapse. That's where the bomb theory has a stint of truth, although we'll never know without evidence.

[Gumby]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=9%2F11
^ better than loose change... doesn't go into the why like loose change, but does a better job in addressing the what happened that day... it's worth watching the first 20 min... I'd watch the whole thing many times, but atleast a little...

this one is the BYu professor Reynolds refers to alot...it's atwo hour lecture..
http://filmstripinternational.com/filmstrips.php?filmstrip=jones2
^loose change is also linked on that page...

Psycho, why did you say "I did a bit of research on Reynold also, VERY disgruntled man!" and what does that mean??

not attacking, but nothing I found sounded like he was pissed or was doing this for any other reason than the truth... where did you do your 'bit' of research?? what did you find that would discredit him?? j/w

[Psycho4Bud]

where did you do your 'bit' of research?? what did you find that would discredit him?? j/w

He has his own site....check out his articles and the manner that their wrote. Looks like a prisonplanet page.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

well, maybe instead of thinking that it's not factually correct because of the way it is written.. if that is the case fox news is no better... shouldn't the fact of the offices he held matter some. And the facts behind it? Why and since when has, 'because it looks like prison planet' been a good excuse to discredit someone?


I looked at his site and from what I could tell it was all pretty well defended and back up with references and he backed up his claims pretty well... why is it ok for him to do that, yet be discredited??

I guess what I'm trying to ask is what is your oponion of a good arguement if the end result does not match the one in your head?

[skarz]

Even if you don't believe the conspiracy theories... watch the videos a couple times and you'll soon realize it was not commercial planes that crashed into the buildings. I never noticed it until it was pointed out but look carefully and you'll realize there's no windows... I'm sorry but if you have ever been on a commercial flight you know that each row of seats has windows. And it's not that the passengers had their windows pulled down, there aren't any windows period!

I for one have flown on Boeing 757's and 767's several times and they are HUGE planes for long flights, with hundreds of seats and windows... it's pretty evident in the videos thats not one of those planes.

[eg420ne]

Even if you don't believe the conspiracy theories... watch the videos a couple times and you'll soon realize it was not commercial planes that crashed into the buildings. I never noticed it until it was pointed out but look carefully and you'll realize there's no windows... I'm sorry but if you have ever been on a commercial flight you know that each row of seats has windows. And it's not that the passengers had their windows pulled down, there aren't any windows period!

I for one have flown on Boeing 757's and 767's several times and they are HUGE planes for long flights, with hundreds of seats and windows... it's pretty evident in the videos thats not one of those planes.
I remember watching it live on TV the second plane hit & I said something like "that looks like a military plane"..and not making me an expert or not, but I have been in military planes and been around them all my life, and do know the difference in planes and it did not look like a commercial airline..And the Official story propaganda cant change my mind...

[Psycho4Bud]

Even if you don't believe the conspiracy theories... watch the videos a couple times and you'll soon realize it was not commercial planes that crashed into the buildings. I never noticed it until it was pointed out but look carefully and you'll realize there's no windows... I'm sorry but if you have ever been on a commercial flight you know that each row of seats has windows. And it's not that the passengers had their windows pulled down, there aren't any windows period!

I for one have flown on Boeing 757's and 767's several times and they are HUGE planes for long flights, with hundreds of seats and windows... it's pretty evident in the videos thats not one of those planes.

You have close up pics for a lil' proof on that? I've never seen a pic of the WTC planes that were clear enough to disclose if there were windows or not.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3218155323039993638&pl=true

go to minute 3:30... it's a video of the plane... even better... and yes it's from Alex Jones, but I don't think he faked that video...it's kinda hard to do that

[Psycho4Bud]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3218155323039993638&pl=true

go to minute 3:30... it's a video of the plane... even better... and yes it's from Alex Jones, but I don't think he faked that video...it's kinda hard to do that


All it showed was the undercarriage of the plane....you sure your got the right time frame???:confused:

[eg420ne]

Speaking of the time 3:30 what is that thing attach to the belly of the plane? Did any1 else see that, or do all commercial airlines have that...

[Psycho4Bud]

Speaking of the time 3:30 what is that thing attach to the belly of the plane? Did any1 else see that, or do all commercial airlines have that...

Actually they do, I believe its part of the landing gear cover...some shit like that....just fired a bowl.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

oh, sorry... i thought that would have been enough... but um, try this...

minute 134ish shows the planes and the design of the WTC, notice the size differences in the planes they show and the one from the vidoe above...

and this
http://filmstripinternational.com/filmstrips.php?filmstrip=loosechange
1:02:00 is another view... not the best again, but I don't think the plane is the big debate... it's the way the buildings fell and the fact that bombs were needed

[Gumby]

OH MY GOD I'm SO fucking sick of hearing about 9/11. I'm really sorry to put in a stupid reply like this one..but I'M JUST SO FUCKING SICK OF HEARING THIS SHIT!!!! What difference does it make? All those people died anyway. They are dead and gone. I'm almost trembling here i'm that pissed off about hearing this shit AGAIN!
NO ONE has any evidence that this was just an act of terrorism..or that it was a conspiracy. PLEASE POST BACK WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FACTUAL EVIDENCE!

watch any of the video's I've posted... I think that's enough facts... if not how about enough to fil a two hour lecture from a professor??

http://filmstripinternational.com/filmstrips.php?filmstrip=jones2

[Gumby]

oh, sorry... i thought that would have been enough... but um, try this... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=9%2F11

minute 134ish shows the planes and the design of the WTC, notice the size differences in the planes they show and the one from the vidoe above...

and this
http://filmstripinternational.com/filmstrips.php?filmstrip=loosechange
1:02:00 is another view... not the best again, but I don't think the plane is the big debate... it's the way the buildings fell and the fact that bombs were needed

forgot the link... sorry

[Myth1184]

Hes a nutjob, just trying to get back at his former boss for being fired.

[cjh3387]

Quit the conspiracy bullshit. I am in no way a strong Bush supporter. I think he should do things differently but I respect the fact that he has his own opinions set in stone and does everything he can to get what he thinks is best done. Plus he is absolutely hilarious to watch give speeches when you are stoned. The man himself used to be a fan of the drugs. But seriously, 9/11 was no conspiracy. The Bush administration could of done more to prevent it and they should take part of the blame, but it also goes back to the Clinton years where certain actions could of been taken to prevent the attack. I do think Bush had an idea it was coming because if you watch his reaction after his staff member told him what had happened in the classroom you will notice he just becomes spechless where most people's reaction would be asking who the hell attacked us.

[xblackdogx]

^^ where's the basis for those statements...
i would love to believe that,
but i've seen the facts
unless you've got some fresh ones for me

[cjh3387]

^^ where's the basis for those statements...
i would love to believe that,
but i've seen the facts
unless you've got some fresh ones for me


If you have facts that 9/11 is a conspiracy then why are you spending your time complaining about Bush on a message board when you could be getting his ass impeached. Everyone loves buying into 9/11 conspiracy shit. Especialy a stoner message board. We all like to burn a bowl and think about how the government secretly fucks us over. Just like some people believe Kennedy is a vegetable in South America and we never landed on the moon.

But back to the subject, I would love to hear your "facts" besides these stupid videos people make just to spark debate. And that Reynolds guy is obviously doing this for the money. He is laughing his way to the bank on this. Honestly people it is not hard to make up these conspiracy theories. Just because he was up there in the administration makes people believe him more. Why don't more of those people come out and join him?

[eg420ne]

How about the fact that top PENTAGON OFFICIALS were warn the night B4 911 not to fly the next day----LIHOP
Inside trading "put option"-----MIHOP
WarGames on 911 where hijack planes were used as a weapon, into buildings----MIHOP

[eg420ne]

How about the FACT they lied about not knowing of an imminent attack was about to occur, THEY LIED and ignored all warnings.

Im sorry if im not playing right you know democrat republican sometimes you win some sometime you lose some but this is serious this is not about party lines this is about america and its people and to get the truth out..

The Secret Service at Booker Elementary:
The Dog That Did Not Bark

Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. Two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicised photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.

The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.

The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack withmany unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

If the events of 9-11 were truly a surprise to the United States Government then there is no way the Secret Service could have known there wasn't a hijacked or stolen plane heading towards Booker Elementary School that very second.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

The Secret Service should be in that video, but they are not. It is clear from their inaction that they KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT A TARGET OF ONE OF THE HIJACKED PLANES. The intended targets of the planes had to have been known.

The dog did not bark because the criminal was its master.

Quod Erat Demonstradum, the Bush administration was part of the 9-11 plot.

[Psycho4Bud]

Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11"

DUDE!!! LOL..................

[eg420ne]

Michael who? are you talking about this line here psycho, come on dude im no kid so quit...

Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

[Psycho4Bud]

Michael who? are you talking about this line here psycho, come on dude im no kid so quit...

Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

LOL....sorry dude. Whenever I see his name I just gimp!!! Can't help it.....

[cjh3387]

Do you know how hard it is for a terrorist to hijack a plane and fly it directly into some random ass elementary school in Florida. Impossible for them to target that and hit it with a hijacked 747 plane. The President was very safe there especialy when you think about al the confusion going on that day.

[eg420ne]

Ok the fact that they did NOTHING in other word INACTION means alot cjh3387...dosnt matter if they tought it was safe or not gwad damn planes were hijack and no1 knew were the fuk they were at

[eg420ne]

And dude if they can fly a plane into the PENTAGON:rolleyes: what makes you think it be harder for them to fly one into a school---CHEESENRICE-- they had time like 3 days to think of a plan and figure out were the school was

[Psycho4Bud]

I think a Presidential motorcade would be easier to spot.:twocents:

[eg420ne]

LIke JFK

[xblackdogx]

If you have facts that 9/11 is a conspiracy then why are you spending your time complaining about Bush on a message board when you could be getting his ass impeached. Everyone loves buying into 9/11 conspiracy shit. Especialy a stoner message board. We all like to burn a bowl and think about how the government secretly fucks us over. Just like some people believe Kennedy is a vegetable in South America and we never landed on the moon.

But back to the subject, I would love to hear your "facts" besides these stupid videos people make just to spark debate. And that Reynolds guy is obviously doing this for the money. He is laughing his way to the bank on this. Honestly people it is not hard to make up these conspiracy theories. Just because he was up there in the administration makes people believe him more. Why don't more of those people come out and join him?
some photos..
match up the crime scene w/ the 9/11 Commission Report [what "happened"] and it doesnt make sense

we all have posts on here saying exactly why the FACTS dont match up w/ the story... go search it
1. y didn't F16s go after all the aircrafts [American nd United Airlines declared them hijacked 4-5 min after they were offcourse, then another 45 min goes by and the targets are hit]
2. the strange damages in the Pentagon
3. the insider trading evidence [purchasing of put options-bet a company will lose money] was never investigated, which the FBI do track
4. if it is possible for a building to collapse that fast [8-9s] only burning for 50-70 min. without explosives/thermite
5. WTC 7 collapse not being mentioned, or publicly explained completely
6. not being able to confirm the time some hijackers checked in [in notes of 9/11 comission report] - yet the airlines should have that info in the computer!
7. i can go on, and on... your turn, see what you've got backing up those silly fingers:thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

it's not hard to cover something up when you have BILLIONS upon billions of dollars, it's not hard to hire someone who can blend into a crowd and plant a bomb unnoticed, it's not hard at all, all it takes is a hefty sum of money.

while i remain mostly neutral on this untill more evidence is available, i am tempted to believe that it is a conspiracy. i dont know why just yet, but i would assume it has a lot to do with oil.


observe our situation enough with a completely non opiniated stance and you'll see more truth and filter more lies.

[xblackdogx]

observe our situation enough with a completely non opiniated stance and you'll see more truth and filter more lies.
yes, i too can only state so much, there is defintely a need for more evidence,
but it's so hard b/c they won't release jack shit

[eg420ne]

If the president was at the WhiteHouse he would of be moved. If the president was at the Mall Of America he would of been moved.
But our president was at a school filled with kids and was not moved just sat there looking like a bump on a log or shall i say a bump on a mirror..It Is the InAction Of KingGeorge and his SS that makes me yell treason..I bet they all felt safe knowing they were the terrorist..

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

eg, calm down a bit... it DOES seem logical to me that in such events when the president was in a less than likely to be known location to terrorists that he would be left be. YES, the inaction DOES speak volumes of POSSIBILITIES, but it's all speculation right now, you're throwing bricks at the wall. wait untill more compelling evidence arises before you go storming off on the inactions. we get your point, and if we dont, we gotta be retarded.

[eg420ne]

Ok as long as you know that i know that the government is criminal.. at least AT LEAST our government knew a terrorist attack was about to occur and then lied about knowing about it and ignored all warnings, that right there is treason another INACTION

[xblackdogx]

If the president was at the WhiteHouse he would of be moved. If the president was at the Mall Of America he would of been moved.
But our president was at a school filled with kids and was not moved just sat there looking like a bump on a log or shall i say a bump on a mirror..It Is the InAction Of KingGeorge and his SS that makes me yell treason..I bet they all felt safe knowing they were the terrorist..

what you claim- the "inaction" of the security procedures during the tapes of GW is- is one major talking point of any Congress, ex-CIA person questioning 9/11, it is a big give away according to them

[skarz]

I try to stay as open-minded about these situations as possible, but when there's more evidence it was set-up then it was actually terrorists, it's hard to believe.

[Gumby]

yes, i too can only state so much, there is defintely a need for more evidence,
but it's so hard b/c they won't release jack shit

I agree as well.. I have no Idea who was behind it and who did what... but I am sure that explosives were used to make all three WTC buildings fall. I saw Loose Change first, and then went to Alex Jones stuff and must say it could be as wrong as Bush is about terrorists with box cutters. Both seem equally insane to me, but after watching the 2 hour lecture and then the Eye Witness video, I 100% believe that explosives were used. How they got there, who put them there... I still don't know. But all I can say is I don't see how you could watch these two videos and not think explosives were somehow involved...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=9%2F11

http://filmstripinternational.com/filmstrips.php?filmstrip=jones2

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

that shit is just sick no matter how it happened or why.

[krustythfreakinclown]

I have no Idea who was behind it and who did what... but I am sure that explosives were used to make all three WTC buildings fall. I saw Loose Change first, and then went to Alex Jones stuff and must say it could be as wrong as Bush is about terrorists with box cutters. Both seem equally insane to me, but after watching the 2 hour lecture and then the Eye Witness video, I 100% believe that explosives were used.

If you've ever seen footage of a building imploded with explosives, the collapse of the 3 WTC buildings were exactly the same.

I don't know who did it or why they did it, but I just know that it wasn't done to increase freedom in this country. Just read the newspaper. We are sounding more like the former Soviet Union every day: Secret Police, warrantless searches, authorized torture, people being jailed without due process, public surveillance through the use of video cameras, data mining, wiretapping, religious persecution, the list goes on and on.

I know. I was in East Germany before the Wall came down (just visiting, thank God).

[Hunternora]

It takes WEEKS to plant the C4 to demolish a building... The towers were populated 24/7 yet no one saw the planting of said explosive. The buildings were so massive that it would have taken a two man crew months to do so, and who the fuck isn't going to see a guy walking around with plastic explosive in your office. Pentagon inside job? Maybe. But the towers were brought down by planes.

[xblackdogx]

It takes WEEKS to plant the C4 to demolish a building... The towers were populated 24/7 yet no one saw the planting of said explosive. The buildings were so massive that it would have taken a two man crew months to do so, and who the fuck isn't going to see a guy walking around with plastic explosive in your office. Pentagon inside job? Maybe. But the towers were brought down by planes.
since you havent divulged that deeply in the statements released
by those close to this incident:
there were periods right b4 the towers collapsed,
which they shut down groups of floors at a time [ie. 30-40]. covering most of the building
the reason was "maintenance purposes", supposedly to do w/
upgrading bandwidth-which would mean going into the walls

one guy was fixing his companies computers after ^^ this maintenance b/c
ALL THE ELECTRICITY WAS SHUT OFF, including security cameras,
so he spent days fixing it so that company get get on track, finishes Sept 10th,
next day comes along, it's his break day, and what does he see?

those w/ statements, and have worked in the WTC for awhile,
said it was a very unusual closing of the floors

[pisshead]

wtc 1 and 2 had security and surveillance shutdowns and more than usual evacuation drills in the weeks prior...that's not even important though, there's much stronger evidence pointing to inside job...as opposed to 19 freedom hating hijackers who weren't the radical fundamentalist muslims we were led to believe they were, and who didn't know how to fly.

[minnesota man]

Many convincing arguements for an inside job have been posted here.

In the video when the closer tower goes down, I saw a few explosions occur on the lower floors. Is that just me?

[Gumby]

no watch the 9/11 eyewitness video... it slows it down and gets the sound in the back ground as well.. it zooms in on the smaller explosions and shows the choppers that flew over and set them off...

What I want to know is why do so many people take time to think of how the offical story maked sense yet won't take 20 minutes to look at information that shows them what they asked... not you minnesota, but Hunter...

I mean there is a ton of information out there about the closing off of the WTC and even the removal of bomb sniffing dogs...It scares me that people are willing to defend something they are not sure about and will defend it without looking into any further information about what happened... I mean in my signature there is over 5 hours of video with all the information andone could need about the Sept 11th attacks... yet people will spend hours and hours picking apart the consiracy theort rather than find information to defnd their beliefs...

[Nylo]

"Liberals love osama Bin Laden"

Lol, sometimes conservaties DO hit the nail on the head. While of course I think 9-11 was an inside job, let's not go too far off the crazy-train here guys and forget that Islamic fundamentalism does exist in today's world. Like it or not, all the evidence points to it playing a major, major role in 9-11.

To sum it up, I agree with all of you up 'till the point where you exclude Islamic terrorism from being a reality in the world today. Because it's out there, and it's what fuels this corrupt administration to do the things it does every day as it's scapegoat.

[knocks]

Many convincing arguements for an inside job have been posted here.

In the video when the closer tower goes down, I saw a few explosions occur on the lower floors. Is that just me?

No, it isn't just you. When the 2nd tower goes down (on the Eyewitness Video), I think I can actually see tiny explosions that coincide with the muffled "boom" sounds...

But being the skeptic (though not necessarily the most intelligent one) that I am, some things that I'm wondering:

-I know next to nothing re: explosives and stuff like that...IF the gov't really wanted to bring down the towers with explosives, would they really need choppers to set it off? I dunno....in this age of tech, I'd thought that they'd be able to do this from a more remote distance.

-And speaking of choppers...Is the video implying that ALL of those helicopters were flying over the towers just to detonate the explosives? I thought there were some eyewitness accounts of people saying that they were looking at the police choppers flying over and NOT rescuing people. Also, I think "Loose Change" provided some close-up footage of the towers shortly after the plane crashed into it...Wasn't that shot from news choppers?

-And one more thing that I'm wondering...If the gov't really wanted to do this, what is the point of having the planes crash into the tower and THEN use the explosives? Why not simply just use the explosives and then create the story the hijackers had planted bombs....instead of using explosives in the basement (as the theory goes) and hope that clean-up workers don't find the mystery "hot spots of molten steel"? See what I'm saying? Why use the planes?

I'll finish watching the 2nd half of "Eyewitness" later. Very interesting though, thanks for the link.

[skarz]

Planes make it all seem plausible... think about how impossible it would be to say terrorists rigged 3 buildings with explosives... let alone 2 of the biggest buildings in the US. That would take days of set-up inside the WTC which would obviously be noticed, and they would have to be EXPERT demolition men to make it collapse as perfectly as it did. By running planes into the target, it makes the puzzle pieces fit together. At least that's what they want us to believe. Yesterday a Marine was at my cousins house for mother's day and I told him all about the information I have read up on and he said it wouldn't surprise him if it was set-up, governments have been doing it since the beginning of time. He also posed this question too me... "There are a lot of places in this world FAR more dangerous and an immediate risk then Iraq ever was, do you think we'd really be there if they didn't have oil?".

[xblackdogx]

^^ yes
Russ Feingold had a speech a few days ago saying how there are
places around the world with an immediate need for help involving OUR national security
one i know he mentioned:
some provinces in Indonesia have various Muslim groups
the gov't in these areas treat these groups horribly
this has been going on for years, and will basically force these
islamic groups to become extremist: as no other countries are forcing Indonesia to treat EVERYONE EQUALLY
these islamic groups will NOT ONLY backlash on the Indonesian Gov't
but also to other countries around the world [including the USA] b/c of the known tension b/w western style countries and fundamental islamic groups

[Psycho4Bud]

^^ yes
Russ Feingold had a speech a few days ago saying how there are
places around the world with an immediate need for help involving OUR national security
one i know he mentioned:
some provinces in Indonesia have various Muslim groups
the gov't in these areas treat these groups horribly
this has been going on for years, and will basically force these
islamic groups to become extremist: as no other countries are forcing Indonesia to treat EVERYONE EQUALLY
these islamic groups will NOT ONLY backlash on the Indonesian Gov't
but also to other countries around the world [including the USA] b/c of the known tension b/w western style countries and fundamental islamic groups


Australia has had problems with these factions for a while now:



Noordin Top infatuated with al-Qaeda
Radical Islamic terrorist Noordin Top was "infatuated" with al-Qaeda and has modelled himself on its leaders as he plots more attacks in Asia, a report has said.

Noordin is blamed in part for both the 2002 and 2005 Bali bombings as well as the 2004 attack on Australia's Jakarta embassy.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Noordin-Top-infatuated-with-alQaeda/2006/05/06/1146335953205.html

[skarz]

Oh, one other bit of evidence that is very suspicous... AFTER 9/11 happened, Osama Bin Laden supposedly released a tape fessing up too it right? Look at the video tape and you'll realize the guy in the video has a fairly large, round nose, with large cheek bones. Osama Bin Laden has a tall, narrow face with a long skinny nose... the two guys are obviously not the same person, yet they still say that's Osama fessing up to it?

P.S. - For those of you that didn't know already, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein hate eachother, theres no link between them :thumbsup:

[Gumby]

there are also all the other videos that Osama has released... with only the latest being the first to say anything about the american people...

ps... for those of you who really don't know, there were no connections between 9/11 and Iraq... there were no reasons to go in there in the first place... it is a war on Islam and Bush has made that quite clear from the begining. Watch Kingdom of Heaven... good movie... funny how ironic it is that the war is still going on 1,000 years later... but God loves to bomb people right?? God bless the USA, kill more than you love... that's god message right??

[skarz]

If Bush really is Christian, he'll be going straight to hell, that's a fact.

I was hoping the pictures the Pentagon released would actually prove something, i didn't realize they were the same ones already leaked out years ago. By "officially" releasing those, they actually dug themselves a deeper hole! If you look at the slides, you'll notice a white smoke trail behind whatever is hitting it right? Jet planes, no matter how big or small, don't leave behind trails unless they're above a couple thousand feet, no matter how fast or slow they're going. Only in the upper atmosphere do you see trails behing planes..... BUT... missiles can leave trails in the lower atmosphere. Interesting, isn't it?

[eg420ne]

Inside job all the way to the bank, and anyone who support these commie bastards needs to get their head out of their ass......