reality is...

[flamingskullballs]

we act like we know what everything is about...and in the end its just guessing...why are people so damn sure???

in the end, the hokey pokey; its what its all about

[geonagual]

Do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. That's what it is all about.:rasta: :rasta: :rasta:

[cannabis campbell]

Lmao.

[Mr.Whitey]

Reality is a Ride on a Bus

[flamingskullballs]

reality is a ride on a nothing

[Az.]

we dont even know what reality is for sure.....you cant actually prove anything....all you can do is suggest and find things to back up your suggestions....but at the end of the day you cant prove it.....

[VoidLivesOn]

What the hell? If I saw someone kill someone and got it on camera and then showed someone else...is that not proving it happened? Some people just arn't cut for this humdrum,wannabe, philosophical bullshit.

[flamingskullballs]

and some poeple arent cut for killing poeple you fuckin hick :thumbsup:

[Az.]

What the hell? If I saw someone kill someone and got it on camera and then showed someone else...is that not proving it happened? Some people just arn't cut for this humdrum,wannabe, philosophical bullshit.

hahaha it was just a thought off the top of my head you know.....and what im about to write is probably why im not studying philosophy

you cant prove it....you cant even prove that other people exist let alone that you can kill them....
you can't prove that what I am seing is a person dying....

i get confused in my own thoughts.....:D

but in the whole sceme of things....there really isn't any proof of anything.....it's just perception.

[OtterPop]

If you cant dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit

[Kid Dynamite]

its a cold winters day. you see someone out of your window, all wrapped up in a coat and a scarf and a hat. You assume its a person But how do you really know whats under the clothes? It could be a robot...or there could be nothing under there. All human beings base their lives on assumptions, but if the knowledge that those assumptions are based on is incorrect, if human beings are being decieved in some way, then there is no way of proving that anything really exists.

[Az.]

take physics for example, people think ooohhhh science proves things....when really you can only make theories with substantial evidence you cannot prove any particular theory....

if you could then thered be no speculation about religion and physics and we would know the general theory of everything

even Socrates said â??The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.â?�
and that was what.....2500 years ago?

[OtterPop]

What if our universe started out as not quite real, a sort of illusion, as the Hindu religion teaches, and God, out of love and kindness for us, is slowly transmuting it, slowly and secretly, into smomething real.

[OtterPop]

We are bound by language

[Az.]

What if our universe started out as not quite real, a sort of illusion, as the Hindu religion teaches, and God, out of love and kindness for us, is slowly transmuting it, slowly and secretly, into smomething real.

what would we be leading to? Death? The reality of death?

hahaha to be honest I really need to sleep......

[OtterPop]

It is proper to say : we appear to be memory coils (DNA carriers capable of experience) in a computer-like thinking system which, although we have correctly recorded and stored thousands of years of experiential information, and each of us possesses somewhat different deposits from all other life forms, there is a malfunction --a failure-- of memory retrieval. There lies the trouble in our particular subcircuit. "Savlation" through gnosis ==more properly anamnesis(the loss of amnesia)- Although it has individual significance for each of us --- a quantum leap in perception, identity, cognition, understanding, world and self experience, including immortality. It has greater and further importance for the system as aw hole inasmuch as the memories are data needed by it and valuable to it, to its overall functioning.

The acients possessed techniques( sacraments and rituals_ used largely in the Greco-Roman mystery religions, including EARLY CHRISTIANITY, to induce firing and retrieval, mainly with a sense of its restorative value to the individuals; the Gnostics, however, correctly saw the ontological value to what they called the "Godhead" itself, the total entity

[TheLion]

I'll tell you what I tell everyone else who asks. I have an answer to every question in the universe, whether it's the "correct" one is beyond me.

[BestTonicIsChronic]

Wow you guys sound like me, challenging concepts of reality. LoL. Thats me in a nutshell for like the past month, I can get it out of my head, its getting hard to accept reality as it is.

[VoidLivesOn]

Sorry was what I said mean? I just didn't know what you guys were talking about.

[graph]

I've read about five seperate articles in which doctors say the mind is nothing like a computer, but a garden.

Think about it, a computer has a set amount of memory. What it "knows" is simply information fed to it.

Now let's look at a garden. I can take one flower, and make a garden full of many different diverse and amazing flowers. Once that one flower is there, it will continue to spread until more come, and with that, it will attract other sources which will bring other types of plants. It will continue to grow and grow until it is met with death, though that death may be from a number of entities.



Okay, now for reality.

The Matrix stole an age-old belief, that the only reason why things are the way they are is it because it is agreed. For example, that desk it there because we all agree it's there. That building is there because it is the collected belief that it is there. The majority dictates what exists and what doesn't exist. Who's to say that people with auditory and visual schizophrenia aren't seeing real people that the majority are incapapble of seeing?


And now for a new thought entirely.

How do you know that the red you see is the red I see? What if the red you see is actually my yellow? How would we know? Could we ever know?

[OtterPop]

I dont find that analogy to be very effective in convincing me that we are more like a "garden" rather than a "comptuer". Maybe a cross between the both of them?? A computerized garden??

[mrdevious]

As I see it, reality is based on consistancy. If I see it, everybody else sees it, it affects me, it affects absolutely everybody else in the same way and never fails to do so, it would seem our assumption on what we're viewing is correct. And even if not, if the event, person, or thing affects everything and everybody in the exact same way, is that not the nature of its existence, how it affects other entities in existence?

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

fuck reality. get high

[TheLion]

The Matrix stole an age-old belief, that the only reason why things are the way they are is it because it is agreed. For example, that desk it there because we all agree it's there. That building is there because it is the collected belief that it is there. The majority dictates what exists and what doesn't exist.
This post is tempting me to go into some quantum physics. You're absolutely right. I'm not gonna get into detail, but here's something to ponder. We see with our minds, not our eyes. If we decide that an object does not exist, and we get that new view ingrained in our minds enough, we will no longer see that object.

[graph]

This post is tempting me to go into some quantum physics. You're absolutely right. I'm not gonna get into detail, but here's something to ponder. We see with our minds, not our eyes. If we decide that an object does not exist, and we get that new view ingrained in our minds enough, we will no longer see that object.

Please, get into detail. I love the quantums. Are you a fan of the string theory?

And otterpop, I have nothing else better to do all night. Let's have some fun.

[TheLion]

Here's some suggested material. The movie "What the bleep do we know". And the novel "The Self-Aware Universe, how consciousness creates the material world" by Amit Goswami, Ph.D. These materials will drastically alter the way you perceive the universe, in a positve way, in my experience.

[graph]

Not only have I read what the bleep do we know, but I stole it from the library, along with the division of consciousness by peter novak.

[TheLion]

That's awesome man, I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my search for reality. I gotta roll though.:thumbsup:

[graph]

Reality is fleeting...

[flamingskullballs]

i, personally, dont see reality as anything...its all the same void, so we should see each experience as fantastic

[TheLion]

i, personally, dont see reality as anything...its all the same void, so we should see each experience as fantastic
That's right man, we're all one, and everything is beautiful.:stoned:

[OtterPop]

haha you mean like a collective consciousness??

[Fengzi]

When you're young you think you know everything. As you get older you realize that you don't know half the shit you thought you did. And, the half you do know is bullshit anyways.

[flamingskullballs]

Here's some suggested material. The movie "What the bleep do we know".
that is a very good movie, i wqatch it now and then to refresh myself

[Az.]

Sorry was what I said mean? I just didn't know what you guys were talking about.

lol
Well either way it provoked quite a good conversation.....lol

[graph]

When you're young you think you know everything. As you get older you realize that you don't know half the shit you thought you did. And, the half you do know is bullshit anyways.
Eh, I'm still pretty young and I'm fairly aware of the fact that I know nothing. But still, it's fun to post more questions than answers. It works out the brain muscle.

[TheLion]

haha you mean like a collective consciousness??
I mean that on a subatomic level, the universe and everything in it is one. If you could somehow look down upon the universe, it would appear as one solid mass. We are all connected, there is no void; just quadrillions of billions (and more) of subatomic particles working in unison.

[graph]

The quarks and elements which comprise you, have been eternally before you and will continue to be eternally after you.

[OtterPop]

All i can say is einstien was the man!!!!!!!!!!!