2x during bloom?

[Krogith]

i have grown for 10 years and have never seen a plant being swiched to 12/12 or a outdoor thats budding grow 2X it was during veg......:smokin: i have seen from a 15% -40% groth in HIGTH im not talking bud size im talking higth. I have now read that someones claimeing 2x talller - 3x taller.......
They are claiming a 3 ft plant at veg would then be a 6-9ft plant when done? this sounds obserd can anyone clarfy on this? From my experiences everyone one in cali grows like me and i conversate and am part of the medical Growers. IMO a 3ft plant would be 4FT max with buds weighting down the stems i supost if i stood it up stright it would be 5FT....:smokin: useing 3ft as higth cause that was the question , personaly i grow indoors at least 6' but i got space. someone plz clarfy? am i doing somthing wrong and if so tell me what process would cause 2X+ on groth wich was the clame

[LOC NAR1958]

I think the taller the less it streches. I have a drip system very small with 6 plants. If I start to bud when they are one foot then they end up three or a little better. I just got a hortilux eye 1000 HPS and they are not streching near as much but will end up close to three. I started with a 400 HPS and one plant grew right into the bulb and burned all the tops off at three feet I ccut the tops back and then got a cheap 1000HPS the plant came back to over four feet and half a pound on it. DRY. Like super cropping. What kind of hydro are you useing?

[Krogith]

my question was awnswered thank you.... a 1ft plant growing to 3-5ft during 12/12 that happends due to the plant knowing it needs to shout up for light ( it would be contending for from other plant) now i was talking after about 4ft your plants not going to be 8-12ft tall it will get 3x's bigger not 3x TALLER , The claim that a plant at 3 ft would be AT LEAST Dubble it's higth to 3X's would mean 6-9FT tall and that was wrong... Now yes i have seen smaller plants that are still in there early groth stage 1-12 inchs that go nutz cause there contending for light

[Krogith]

:smokin: I like to get a good root system and usaly grow to about 5-6 ft tall befor i bud. What are your guys experinces on yeild? are you getting more per year to grow them smaller and get like 3+ seasons in the year or have you gotten more from growing them larger like 5-6 ft and haveing like 2 or 3 seasons? I'm talking to people who have done both ......Personaly i get more with 2 or 3 seasons of bigger plants rather than cutting there times down to fit in more seasons.... what have you experienced? (indoor obiously):smokin:

[Kush Over]

I don't know about tripling in height, but it definitely doubles. I've got visual proof to back this up, and this is a lone plant, no other to compete with in it's domain. Sativa dominant hybrid, if a hybrid at all.

Not ONLY that, but this plant stretched even more after that doubling, and it still stretched a centimeter or two after the last picture.

Oh, sure the plant's mass will triple and even sometimes more, but we're talking about height, right?

Notice that in the last two pictures some of the plant's branches were repositioned in and pulled down to the 'The Rack' to reduce the height a few inches. Now, in the last picture, it's reacquired it's former height and then some.

First picture: March 16th, 2006 [ about a week after 12/12 induction ]
Second picture: March 19th, 2006
Third picture: March 27th, 2006
Fourth picture: April 21st, 2006

Sorry for the quality, but it gets the point through.

[Krogith]

i wait longer on veg cause thast when your Main root groth is forming so i think it causes bugger thicker buds. Personaly that plant looks small =/... From my experiences i have grown like that also i feel the plant has Bigger buds and more when you allow the plant to turn into a Teenager i call em Seems to me if you had veged that plant more like tell it was 3 feet or more would it of shot up like that? ( form what i have seen a plant only does the crazy groth when you try and bud them to small the plant thinks it would not get enouf sunlight and thus shot up like it was contending with other plants for light) From my Exp i have seen your roots at the 12/12 transfer decide everything higth and bud size and that pic would prove my theory because from my exp if you had let her turn teenager and a better root hold she would of been 2X's thicker Buds ..... Whats your option ? (my shit is allways like 7foot tall if held up but shits hanging around 5 foot due to buds weight) But i also grow hella crazy i Trellis my stuff like a Grape vine im getting about 5+oz per plant in hydryton with a water ring with the bubbler in tubes each unit is a bucket (copy of the drip ring working off of the air pumps)

[Krogith]

is that a CLEAR BOWL? it's in ? hydro is not fair to compair to durt IMO SORRY =):smokin: what do you think would of happend if it had a better root establishment tho ?

[LOC NAR1958]

Your right the smaller they are the more they strechin height. Seems like I get alot more from a bigger plant when flowered. What happens is the smaller the lights the smaller the plant when you flower. Tha light can only penetrate the top one third, so they start small. I am going to try 2 foot and 3 foot to see the difference. I read a guy on here was getting 4 pounds off a 1000HPS and 4 plants. Awsome.

[Kush Over]

..Personaly that plant looks small =/...

LoL. I assure you, it was entirely my intention of doing just that -- 'making the plant small'. It was primarily due to a short vegetative cycle of 25 days, again something I anticipated would occur because -- it was my intent!

Why? Because she's a sativa dominant strain -- lesser yield, better quality -- and I wouldn't want her to outgrow the yard tall box she's in. I was always lead to believe the plant would stretch three times their height -- and by the way, they do. LoL. This one just doesn't show that well because of 'The Rack' and the HST, but the first two plants of this strain stretched from about 1.3 feet to almost 4.2 feet, primarily because they weren't trained.

"B-B-But inadequate lighting!"

Not when they were grown with sunlight -- taken out for so many hours during the day; then brought back in when they've had their fill of radiation.

Besides, the most recent picture in my last post does the plant no justice. The buds look much nicer now the plant's worked itself out of the lock-out -- the buds have at least grown 30% larger.


..From my experiences i have grown like that also i feel the plant has Bigger buds and more when you allow the plant to turn into a Teenager i call em Seems to me if you had veged that plant more like tell it was 3 feet or more would it of shot up like that?..

Turn into a teenager? I'm not quite sure exactly what to think of this. I wasn't aware we referred to plant's age with those terms. Thirteen to ninteen inclusive -- days, months, years? LoL

Or maybe you're referring to the preflowers? I bet that's it. In that case, preflowers did show before the flowering cycle induction. Typically, though, I follow the Bible [ and the Professionals / Experts ] on this and go for a few sets of alternating nodes to go with those preflowers -- which is what I did in this case.

Would she of shot up? I don't know, what's your thinking and experience tell you? Personally I think you're trying to cover your own ass on a fucking mistake that spawned off of the 'Has to be said.' thread. LoL. But, to be fair I'll tell you why it looks like the plant is tall and stretched.

I trimmed all the lower growth off that plant that I didn't want to keep or I felt was going to inhibit the flowering cycle. She was much bushier than that before the last picture was taken -- you couldn't possibly seen through one side to the other before I pruned her. Stretched my ass. I've got a 150w HPS on a two square foot area and just this one plant -- 16,000 initial lumens, 13,500 mean lumens after like eight hours of being on. There's not even space between the nodes -- it's all bud! LoL

LoL. I can't believe I'm actually reading this shit. "Man, that looks stretched.."
Sativa dominant in flowering. D-D-Duhh!

I thought you've been growing for like ten years, man. You've never grown out a sativa, or even a sativa dominant hybrid?


..( form what i have seen a plant only does the crazy groth when you try and bud them to small the plant thinks it would not get enouf sunlight and thus shot up like it was contending with other plants for light)..

Again, your sole.. experiences.

While I have seen plants contend for light with others I have yet to see a plant contend with itself for light -- it doesn't make sense. Sativas and sativa dominant strains s----t----r----e----t----c----h at the internodes -- this isn't i-n-d-i-c-a. Maybe you're thinking of a dumbass who tries planting in the fucking shade -- I don't know? LoL

It either stretches at the internodes or stem to look for light; or it produces more nodes [ alternating or corresponding ] which gives it a stretching effect, but that's hardly considered stretching. Or if they're under artificial light and there's multiple plants one plant might gain dominance by virtue of position beneath the light, and all the light from whatever spectrum the bulb has that reflects from the plant's leaves down to the smaller plants will be almost devoid of the usable spectrum's, thus causing a stretch.
Again, not my plant, as she's a loner.


..From my Exp i have seen your roots at the 12/12 transfer decide everything higth and bud size and that pic would prove my theory because from my exp if you had let her turn teenager and a better root hold she would of been 2X's thicker Buds ..... Whats your option ?..
That picture?

Uh, which one? This isn't another one of your experiences again, is it?
I'm sorry, bro. But this plant's root system is fine for the pot she's in. I've yielded three ounces from a gallon and a half worth of organic mulch and amendments; I think I could probably do a little better with a larger plant and medium.

We still don't understand your theory, to be honest. A better root hold? Dude, we already discussed mycorrhizal fungi, and I already gave the soil a shot of LazyMan Soil Conditioner at the time of soil preparation, which contains mycorrhizae. I'd much rather a US quarter diameter sized stalk, though. I think that's proof enough of the root efficiency, to be honest. In my experience. I think. LoL

Again, this teenager shit pervades me. Elaborate.


..my shit is allways like 7foot tall if held up but shits hanging around 5 foot due to buds weight) But i also grow hella crazy i Trellis my stuff like a Grape vine im getting about 5+oz per plant in hydryton with a water ring with the bubbler in tubes each unit is a bucket (copy of the drip ring working off of the air pumps)..

Seven feet tall? I don't go macro growing, especially unnecessary amounts of it. How long does it take you to get that height of a plant? I'm not willing to wait it, that's all that matters to me.

Trellis? Wow. And the invention of the SCRoG has been blown out of the water by a --- vertical SCRoG? LoL

Most people look for stealth and height control! Not Krogith! He'll grow up a fucking lattice wall!


..is that a CLEAR BOWL? it's in ? hydro is not fair to compair to durt IMO SORRY =):smokin: what do you think would of happend if it had a better root establishment tho ?..

Yes, it's a clear bowl. No, roots don't give a fuck about the light. Argue if you want, I've had light up to partially dirt covered roots and they were fine.
If it had a better root establishment? Uh, it'd be a bigger plant? LoL.

Something I don't want, I assure you. And I'm sure the plant's roots are just fine with the presence of mycorrhizal fungi in the medium.


Your right the smaller they are the more they strechin height. Seems like I get alot more from a bigger plant when flowered. What happens is the smaller the lights the smaller the plant when you flower. Tha light can only penetrate the top one third, so they start small. I am going to try 2 foot and 3 foot to see the difference. I read a guy on here was getting 4 pounds off a 1000HPS and 4 plants. Awsome.

What light?

LoL. You think I use those lights illuminating the plant in the pictures to grow with?

I use a 150w HPS, and it penetrates to the bottom. Again, proof of this is from nearly 35% of the original plant's weight in removed vegetative mass I had to cut off the plant before the final picture was taken. They were slowing it down, I say, slowing it down!

[Krogith]

im not talking virtical im talking lateral i'll run a branch under a # pattern of strings in about a week i'll have about 8-12 inches taller than string to then run it under again.. i wont do this more than 3 feet from the plants center. From a 3 foot plant to the 3 foot trellis stage is a 3 week peroid the trellis is around 2feet tall up the plants..... Now As for the light pentration comment.........

I have read the same thing light penterates 3 feet into a Plant thats why i do my trellis at 2 foot.and keep them down to 4 foot around budding ( the plant would normaly be 6 foot tall) but trellis makes a network OF stems suported. All the buds are between 1foot off the ground to 4 feet off the gound but plant is about 8 foot wide. i have use the same Clones from the club and the 2 6foot tall yeilded about 3 oz each got like 7 ounces from the 2 and the 2 that i trellised had smaller stems (due imo from being suported) and i got over 9 oz's over a QP per plant the buds were 2X size of the Stright up ones...



Soon as i get into my new place man and get going i'll have you check it out how i trellies them (after i found out i needed to move out of that house i hade to dismantle the operation) Then I got in a car accident and so between the two i hade to get a appt tell this settlement is over. My backs fucked up and gota get epadural shots now. I got a constant sharp pain in lower back into right leg i can;t walk more than 15 min atm with out Chronic pain, i've locked up 2 times where i was in so much pain i couldn't move for 5-10 mins. So lifes all crazy atm tell they fix me(if they can):smokin:

[LOC NAR1958]

Sorry to here that . Hope your back up soon . You need it for the pain. I would like to see the trelis thing and all.

[Krogith]

I call Teenager a plant thats 3Foot + (1 month + veg) by this point yes you should be able to sex em( + consider im growing Clones your growing seeds)(yes i have used seeds prefer not to) my plant starts at 2-5 inchs tall already it is from a mother by the time it's established Teenager 3foot range it's showing sex (wich is obiously already forshure feamale) From my exp the plants MAIN root groth is the VEG stage once you goto budding (12/12) the 1st 2-4 weeks it is still veg/budd stage but root groth is slowed dermaticaly... Now from what i have done a plant wich is allow to have a slightly longer veg time wich is going to make bigger buds duh yeah but point is over a year i can get 2 seasons i can grow more buddage than if i did 3 seasons in the year growing smaller plants and more of them to shorten there time like your doing.... that is from just my experences your right but i tryed both with the same clones, ferts, water ph and room/outdoor temp ( i tryed both ) :smokin: this is just what i have done, but the fact that a 4foot turned to budding would be 8foot AT LEAST up to 12foot HIGTH ...your claiming this? because that is the only Statement i have said isn't true :smokin:


Personaly i think plants have a chemical idea of what stage it's at. and when you turned it to bud at 12 inches it knew it was 12 inches it says shit it's bloom time but im a small mother fucker im going to need to shot up like a sob just to get to my light. PERSONALY I think a plant knows when it's around 3 foot (this is a # it ranges from 2-4 foot it's around that point) and will start showing it's sex around the time it has a good ass root system ( the sex showing is a direct link to root IMO)

Heres why i think like that when a baby grows it gos in stages 1st you get a main stem shot up and it's base leafs then once it's about 6+ inches or so inches it will stat poping out stems from the leaf/nods these nods act the same way as the seed they grow the stem and then at about 6+ inches or so of the stem shoting up it will pop out of it's nods AFTER this stage the plant no longer is doing this stem grow then produce out it's nods CYCLE it will stat poping out all it's Nods ( this is edvience to me that the plant is saying OK root system set now lets fucking grow)if you bud after this point where the roots have cought up to plant size then i get shit loads more bud.

Now IMO if you do not let the plant get to this stage it is still doing the stem then nod plain and thus turning it to bud will shot them stems right up and lot less bud. Instead of when swiched to bud WHEN IT is already produceing in ALL the nods. Does it not make sence that at thatpoint when all node production is ON it would be better than when the plants still doing it shot up and then nod stage? i think you could of let that catch up to it self Little more veg it's going to be around the same higth just tons more roots for nod production wich is bud production. Once the plant thinks it's 12/12 it says ok roots that all you got to grow lets see what buds you make.

Also light pentrates 3 feet into the Green of anyplant (yes untrimmed) so are you not waisting light that could have been growing other buds off other nods? if you had let it build up it's root system to catch the plant?
OR you think my whole theory is Bogus?