weed & steroids

[willystylle]

Does anyone know the effects of smokin dope has on the effectiveness of steroids? I'm looking specifically for effects on Deca-Durabolin, Anapolon, Test Cypionate and Equipose.

I'm askin coz I smoke way too damn much but I gym and take roids too - I don't get any negative side effects from smoking and roids but I'm wondering if the roids will work as effectively?

Any answers appreciated

TIA

[beachguy in thongs]

The effects of cannabis are non-toxic.

According to the Australian reports from the late 1990's, the ones that were found to be erroneous, higher testosterone levels were found in heavy cannabis users (40 males studies).

You know of the studies showing a very small affect in learning and memory, but, not enough to be considered anything and tests showed no effects had any impact after 28 days. (by the way, these are recent, I don't have time, right now, to look through my bookmarks for the site)

Pile onto that, this:

Anabolic Steroids
Affect the Brain

Parts of the brain that influence your moods and are involved in learning and memory are called the limbic system. Anabolic steroids act in the limbic system. In animals, they have been shown to impair learning and memory. They can also lead to changes in mood, such as feelings of depression or irritability.

Anabolic steroid users may act mean to people they're normally nice to, like friends and family.

Anabolic steroids in the brain may trigger really aggressive behavior. Some outbursts can be so severe they have become known in the media as "roid rages."

And this...


for seventy 17- to 20-year-olds through self-reporting and urinalysis. IQ difference scores were calculated by subtracting each person's IQ score at 9â??12 years (before initiation of drug use) from his or her score at 17â??20 years.

Current marijuana use was significantly correlated (p < 0.05) in a dose- related fashion with a decline in IQ over the ages studied. The comparison of the IQ difference scores showed an average decrease of 4.1 points in current heavy users (p < 0.05) compared to gains in IQ points for light current users (5.8), former users (3.5) and non-users (2.6).

Current marijuana use had a negative effect on global IQ score only in subjects who smoked 5 or more joints per week. A negative effect was not observed among subjects who had previously been heavy users but were no longer using the substance. We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence. Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained.

Studies have shown that teen-use of marijuana can be detected later in life, especially, in anxiety issues.

Honestly, I don't think Cannabis affects the hypothalamus, other than the CB1 receptors, and that area of the brain produces testosterone.

As with all drugs, Cannabis will deaden the reinforcement properties of the other drug involved.


In guys, anabolic steroids can interfere with the normal production of testosterone. They can also act directly on the testes and cause them to shrink. This can result in a lower sperm count and reproductive ability. They can also cause an irreversible loss of scalp hair.

In girls, anabolic steroids can cause a loss of the monthly period by acting on both the hypothalamus and reproductive organs. They can also cause loss of scalp hair, growth of body and facial hair and deepening of the voice. These changes are also irreversible.

"You may have heard that doctors sometimes prescribe steroids to reduce swelling. This is true, but these aren't anabolic steroids. They're corticosteroids."

I feel like I haven't answered your question, but I've been kind of busy, and in a hurry, so I'll tell you what I think.

1st- If you're gonna use steroids, don't tell people you smoke pot.
2nd- If you're a teenager, smoking pot, lightly, seems to be okay, as long as you persist on it (see CMAJ study above), but those tiny, little residual effects will be exacerbated by the steroid use, and very greatly in younger users.
3rd- I'm really pushing it, time-wise.
4th- I'll check back.

[GetBakedOrDieTryin]

Does anyone know the effects of smokin dope has on the effectiveness of steroids? I'm looking specifically for effects on Deca-Durabolin, Anapolon, Test Cypionate and Equipose.

I'm askin coz I smoke way too damn much but I gym and take roids too - I don't get any negative side effects from smoking and roids but I'm wondering if the roids will work as effectively?

Any answers appreciated

TIAnot really i just know when i did a cycle i drank a lot once, and i never drank again on cycle lol.

[Twoshots]

Hope you have a good PCT on hand. Get in the Nolvadex and HCG.
you gonna be a bitch when you come off the roids else.
Damn deca .. hope you stop that way before you stop the test..Hmmm where is my wood lol.

[darkside]

lol way too many of yall know way too much about roids. id rather keep my hair and my testicles. not too fond of man boobs either.

[beachguy in thongs]

lol way too many of yall know way too much about roids. id rather keep my hair and my testicles. not too fond of man boobs either.
It's called research.

[Its a Plant]

I don't get any negative side effects from roids

that's just not true.
you're a fool for taking the easy way out I must say.
why not put in the hard work?
my :twocents:

[1234abcd]

ROID RAGE haha

[Its a Plant]

hahah that's funny.
because that's the name of my espn fantasy baseball team.
actually it's "In a Roid Rage" but still.
I'm doing goood too.
ranked 126th out of a gazillion.

[darkside]

It's called research.

i have done research. steroids metabolise into various testosterone derivatives in the body including dht, which is the main cause of hair loss and prostate problems. the body also responds to steroids with an "estrogen rebound" to compensate for the extreme testosterone levels in the blood causing gynecomastia(man boobs) and mood swings. finally the added test causes the body to slow internal production of testosterone which results in shrinking of the testicles. these are known facts.

[whitekat]

i have abused steroids for over 20 years...still got my hair and health..only get to sneek a toke a couple of time a year due to drug testing at work, which is fixen to end. i retire in october this year. cyp and eq have been my go to cycle for years. i only used deca once....wasnt for me, never used anapolon(dont know it) but for the last couple of years the best results on me come from a test e and fina cycle......just watch your temper. when i did smoke on a regular bases it was after the gym, to relax.....good luck bro

[jamstigator]

Cancer of various kinds, degredation of your internal organs, lots of reasons not to do steroids. Of course, not everyone has problems, and if you make as much money as Jason Giambi, well, a million for medical bills probably isn't a problem. You do greatly increase your health risks by roiding up though. Is looking beefy and tough worth 10 or 20 years of being alive? I'd ask that question of myself before I began any roid regimen. It is, of course, your body to do with as you wish, but be aware of the dangers.

[Twoshots]

Cancer of various kinds, degredation of your internal organs, lots of reasons not to do steroids
Where the hell did you get your info..
do the reading son.
Is this another "I havent done it but I know it all" posts is it?
Next you will be telling people not to smoke the green...sheesh misinformation is great isnt it.

[Its a Plant]

twoshots, those things have been proven for quite some time now.
telling people that they are a fool for saying steroids aren't that dangerous is misinformation at it's finest.
but hey, taking the easy way out is respectable right?

[willystylle]

that's just not true.
you're a fool for taking the easy way out I must say.
why not put in the hard work?
my :twocents:

no offence Its a Plant but it is true - I would know best coz Im talking about myself. I have NEVER felt negative side effects of steroids.

And don't think I don't put in the hard work either - I gained 25lbs in 2 weeks and it wasn't from watching Prisonbreak, either. Easy way out? I do in a month what you would do in a year (assuming you even go to gym) Not to rip you off or anything but ppl who actually go to gym know the difference between steroid-use and steroid-abuse.

[Its a Plant]

no offence Its a Plant but it is true - I would know best coz Im talking about myself. I have NEVER felt negative side effects of steroids.

And don't think I don't put in the hard work either - I gained 25lbs in 2 weeks and it wasn't from watching Prisonbreak, either. Easy way out? I do in a month what you would do in a year (assuming you even go to gym) Not to rip you off or anything but ppl who actually go to gym know the difference between steroid-use and steroid-abuse.

I'll be the first to admit my error, my fault willy.
but dude, quit trying to convince yourself that what you're doing isn't harming you in any way at all.
tell yourself what you want, but they are illegal for a reason.
and yes lol you prick I go to the gym 5 times a week and constantly train for soccer year round.
I can run laps around your corner cuttin' ass bro, so don't go assuming things too quickly guy.

call it use, abuse, whatever, it's still copping out.
if you do so much hard work, why not drink some protein shakes and vitimins instead of cutting a corner and cheating yourself.
personally, anyone that does do steroids is weak
and I have no respect for anyone that uses them.
I just hope you can live with the fact that you alone didn't put in the hard work.
you needed a crutch.
simple enough?
Nothing here is meant to be like offensive, just letting you know.:thumbsup:

[whitekat]

i just gotta get in on this one and no i aint in a roid rage....yet... lol aint no way you gonna gain 25lbs in two weeks, it just dont happen. you lucky if you can put 10 lbs of muscle a year. steroids is a supplement just like protein drinks and vitamins...and it is legal, just visit your doctor. and i think soccer is for sissies....lol just kidding wish i would have played that sport instead of football, my kness wouldnt hurt so much on squat days. some people make there living with there minds, i made mine with my back and still do, got to train harder every year to keep up with them 20 year olds. oh isnt taking short cuts the american way........have a good day and go smoke, wish i could!

[suhl]

hey there douchebag, the bad effects of steroids dont take effect right away.

please ban me

[whitekat]

and i thought all pot heads were the friendly types... cant converse without name calling huh? go figure

[Its a Plant]

well kat
clearly it's time to make a new way of living if your body is trying to tell you it's too tired to do what it used to.
but hey, go ahead and push your body harder, and then the effects of roids will set in, like that small buddah suhl said.

[suhl]

what are you talking about. i cant tolerate ignorance. maybe i should just say lol just kidding after im done, then youll understand better. and no, im not friendly with idiots like you. god steroid users are scum.

[whitekat]

actually in oct i will be retiring from 25 years of firefighting....will take a few months off(to get super high) and then get in the teaching field...want to coach middle grade(7th and 8th) school kids.....hey smokings bad for you too, aint riding a motor bike without a helmet detrimental to your health, the list of bad things goes on....about the only side effects ive had has been high blood pressure, but its contolled by meds....

[whitekat]

not user ......abuser scum huh?......lol.....look in the mirror if you can

[suhl]

im through with you, just because you were a fire fighter doesnt mean you arent ignorant. that is like responding by saying i was a soldier. and i realize that, but other things dont help you get ahead, and smoking isnt nearly as bad as steroids and its primary users arent douchebag gymrat body builders and cheater

[whitekat]

usmc 74-78 power lifter aint no sissy body builder.....you sound like a soldier....anyway be cool and smoke a big one

[willystylle]

i just gotta get in on this one and no i aint in a roid rage....yet... lol aint no way you gonna gain 25lbs in two weeks, it just dont happen. you lucky if you can put 10 lbs of muscle a year. steroids is a supplement just like protein drinks and vitamins...and it is legal, just visit your doctor.

Thanks for this post whitekat.

I never said I gained 25lbs of muscle - most of it is water-retention and I'll be the first to admit it - but what I'm saying is that even if you use steroids, you still need to bust a nut at the gym everyday. A lot of ppl who don't gym regularly or don't take it seriously enough believe that steroids will give you muscle without the hard work - that's my point (my point not intending to insult anyone).

And yes I do take protein shakes and yes my diet is superb and yes it is legal and so are steroids under doctor's prescription!

And my original question wasn't for moral guidance regarding the use of steroids - or your personal opinion on the use of steroids in modern society - or the socio-economic rammifications(sp) of steroids. ALL I ASKED WAS DOES WEED EFFECT THE EFFICIENCY OF STEROIDS.

I mean I don't want to start flaming here but coming from a bunch of potheads, I'd say your convictions about steroids are laughable. Isn't WEED illegal???? That's what I thought.

I'm big, I'm beautiful, I'm strong. Its called bodybuilding and the best in the world take what I take and do what I do so excuse me if I'm not off to the pulpit to repent for my mortal sins.

[whitekat]

its all cool willie, i figured thats what you meant, my point was to show that steroids arent gonna blow you up like a baloon two weeks. i never smoked pot before a work out, pot relaxes me and i used it to unwind and take a nap after the gym. water retention is not good for you esp on the level you are stating. good luck and burn after your workouts, its worked for me.

[willystylle]

thanks for the post whitekat. I don't smoke weed at work or after a workout - call me superstitious(sp?)

But I do smoke at home, not at home, and church. yes church. I find that when I'm not being thrown out of one for being a drugged up spawn of satan, the highs at church are calming, almost spiritual.

More to the point my thread is actually pretty pointless because whether or not weed affects steroid efficiency, smoking and alcohol does and I do both.

[Its a Plant]

lol at this thread, seriously.
I simply mentioned that steroids were illegal for a reason, b/c they did cause severe health issues - not to just use their legality as an arguement.
so it turns out your initial post was pointless since you smoke and drink on top of it.
You might be worrying about the whole thing.
lol and how might you get a prescription for roids?
tricking a doctor into getting the note b/c I'm pretty sure only patients who need severe muscle repair / rebuilding get it.
It's all good though, do what you want and live life man.
just don't go crazy over your deteriorating health at 55.
peaceee.

[whitekat]

gotta die of something.......as for the script.....sports medicine doctor, thats one source...........if you have a demanding job or into sports(such as myself) or you are over 40 you can get harmone therapy(me again) and its legal and you take blood tests to stay on top of things. .....and whos gonna take the world cup? go holland! peaceeee

[Its a Plant]

lol finally we agree on something kat.
I am 3/4 dutch and will be cheering Ruud and the boys and rooting for the Yanks as well, though I doubt they make it out of pool play.
go USA.

so, um, my serious pick for the cup is brazil.
those ugly basterds make the game so beautiful.

[willystylle]

You might be worrying about the whole thing.
lol and how might you get a prescription for roids?
tricking a doctor into getting the note b/c I'm pretty sure only patients who need severe muscle repair / rebuilding get it.

I live in South Africa - highest crime rate in the world. Bribery and corruption are taught to school kids as essential skills. going to a doctor, slipping a R100 note under the counter and shit, he'll even inject you himself.

I'm not worried about the smoking cigs and drinking coz I decided that it aint worth giving up just for bodybuilding - but if smoking weed did in fact reduce the effectiveness of steroids well then I'd have to stop taking steroids.

(what, give up weed? u are a nutter...)

[Its a Plant]

yah don't go thinking TOOO crazy yet.
weed is too enjoyable to have to give up.
living in south africa must be kind of cool though, just sitting back and smoking to a setting African sun...

[Twoshots]

I live in the UK and here steroids are legal to a degree.prove they are used for personal use and I can carry them in the street.
Most of the myths behind steroids are the savage ammounts the pro bodybuilders use ans occasionally one of them dies..Its to be expected.If you want to be the best you have to further than the next guy.
BUT most users of steroids are average joes who research thoroughly first.
Steroids will not kill you or will they fuck you up if used correctly hell my damn doctor is a user himself.
they can prolong your life and youthfulness if used correctly.
And yes I do use them.Soccer=football, That shit the yankees call football is NOT football, hell to start with you bloody carry it lol...pansies shoulder pads..pah play rugby....
I`ll await the flaming but internet warriors are so tough arent they..later

[whitekat]

rugby wasnt a sport offered to me growing up. i played football, it did pay for my education for about two years, but couldnt keep up grades. then joined the marines where i got a real education......as for sports, now i only lift weights, i cant afford to get hurt and not work. it looks like youd have to be in great shape to play rugby, i like the fact that you keep on playing, not many time outs....but the sport i wished i played was soccer...now thats football.....as for juice i keep my test at 500 mg per week ,when i need to cut, i throw in 75mg fina eod for 12 weeks... and of course under doctors supervision:thumbsup:

[Twoshots]

Good to see you arent overdoing it whitekat. Same as me 500 test per week is plenty.2x year.
Just got my blood tests back and all is better than normal.So there goes the Im going to die from being fucked up routine huh..Feel better much stronger and the need for more sex than I can handle is still there lol..BTW am 34 years young.

[willystylle]

yah don't go thinking TOOO crazy yet.
weed is too enjoyable to have to give up.
living in south africa must be kind of cool though, just sitting back and smoking to a setting African sun...

It aint all that grand dude, we're still 3rd world down here. African sunsets are nice if you avoid the drive-by's :D

[paparose]

Mj does not lower the strength of juice however since it makes you feel tired you can not give 100% at the gym and thats a waste in my book. If you take juice you better hit the gym harder otherwise whats the point of taking them.
I did cycles including deca,test, equipoise and anapolon but are you gonna take them all in one cycle or you gonna bulk up first w deca/test and anapolon and cut with test propionate and equipoise?
I am on GH right now and you know you gotta lower you blood sugar by taking insulin, guess what MJ does it for you. So if one day you get on GH you dont need to stick slin as long as you are cycling mj with GH.
also during contest preperation contestants smoke a lot of weed to deepen their cuts, the key is drinking lots of water instead of going carazy for munchies. If you can hold your self after mj you get sick definition, sliced and diced. I did it before, I did a diet with mj and my bf dropped down to 3% while maintaning lots of muscle.
So mj is good and bad for bodybuilding. it is bad cause you need more oxygen in your lung, it is good cause you can eat a lot with mj and bulk up in winter and you can diet with it and get lean faster.
One quick note, to prevent deca dick you must take equal or more amount of test to supress deca, otherwise your dick will go on vacation for some time.