national illegal immigrant day!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

it never ends..........
now , I just hear on the news, tomorrow the illegal immigrants are gonna boycott and not go to work,to show that they are needed!!!
get the HELL out!!!
DonT think I will miss them, in fact I m ight party X -TRA HARD on May 1 st, 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Psycho4Bud]

That makes two of us! On Tuesday they should have immigration make the rounds for those that missed work on Monday.:cool:

[Bong30]

I am going to go shopping more tomarrow.........

[eg420ne]

Our government should do there job and mass arrest these criminals, what better chance for that then May 1st, i'll volunteer, these people yelling for the same rights as americans but are not willing to go to the process as others have--fuk em--I just hope no dumb shit happens..gawd damn it!! i cant help but to think this will help the neo-cons out...and i dont give a fuk about--- aww there poor and shit-- fuk em there leaders should deal with it instead of sending them over here, We have enuff problems..just my 2cents.

[Shelbay]

I am going to go shopping more tomarrow.........
Same here.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Glad to hear we are all in agreement! FUCK EM!!!!
DIRTY ROTTON SCROUNDRELS!!!!!

[xblackdogx]

DonT think I will miss them, in fact I m ight party X -TRA HARD on May 1 st, 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ironic how in the line of patriotism such disgusting statements made

[imagoober]

Our government should do there job and mass arrest these criminals, what better chance for that then May 1st
LOL, and anyone we miss we can get on cinco de mayo!:) i really hope that national illegal immigrant day blows up in there face! i say send them all home!

[eg420ne]

I hate to see america run down by people who call for the takeover of the southwest, who cares if it belong to some group back in the old days if they wanted it more they shouldve of fought for it harder. trust me i know few mexican nationals that have said thats the plan to be part of mexico again. how about la raza(the race) that calls for the take over of the southwest, i heard it with my own ears, the mexican radio station calls for it all the time.. but as i said b4 this is planned by the neo-cons or some other nwo type group, and that is the main reason i have hate for this kind of movement, they should be protesting there own government, we need protest here in the state to oust these criminals that have taken over the USA...No good will come from this, the only thing these people will bring on them is more hate. hey check it out some high school kids got in trouble for walking out and protesting the war, but when these illegal do they were greeted with open arms..shame on america---i guess this is my republican side

[redneck1]

my part of the country is pretty much in the forefront of this immigration nonsense. i told all the people that work for me, if you don't show up on monday, go ahead and take the rest of the week off! oh, you might as well just start looking for a new job the friday before your walkout. your gonna need the headstart on finding new work, because you sure as hell won't like the reference i give!::mad:

[Oneironaut]

I think it's an excellent idea. But let us not forget the true origins of May Day in the Haymarket Martyrs (http://www.kentlaw.edu/ilhs/haymkmon.htm), five anarchists who were murdered by the United States government after being framed for a crime they did not commit as they were demonstrating for worker's rights. We should be showing solidarity with our fellow workers, no matter where they happen to come from, instead of mindlessly feeding the system which oppresses us all. Shopping isn't going to help anybody, except of course for the capitalists who are profiting off the backs of the immigrant workers who manufactured the products you're buying.

[Myth1184]

it never ends..........
now , I just hear on the news, tomorrow the illegal immigrants are gonna boycott and not go to work,to show that they are needed!!!
get the HELL out!!!
DonT think I will miss them, in fact I m ight party X -TRA HARD on May 1 st, 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is actually the 2nd time the immigrants have had a National walk out day. Liberal Media is just hyping it up to sound like they are gona affect the nation. We didnt even notice it the first time.

[WhiskeyGirl]

This is actually the 2nd time the immigrants have had a National walk out day. Liberal Media is just hyping it up to sound like they are gona affect the nation. We didnt even notice it the first time.

your right myth--- cause I know I didnt. I Think now I do because its soooo obvious -- they are every where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BloodyRedBarron]

Rush Got It Right!

[eg420ne]

I saw this quote on another forum and thought it deserve to be here as well---
Theodore Roosevelt :
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

[Gumby]

I wanna know why so many 'americans' think it's the right thing to work everyday of the week nad to force your kids to go to school with teachers that are stupid...

Missing a day of work or day of school isn't that big of a deal... I've missed plenty for being hung-over much less for standing up for something... I think the real problem that is coming out from this isn't the effect imigrants have on american it the ability america has had to brainwash everyone to think that they must work every single day of the week and that if you do nothing for a day you are a worthless piece of crap...

They are missing one day ONE, 24 hours, that's it... I'm sure I've wasted a day doing something more worthless than a march.. hell everyday I go to work I think it's more worthless than standing up for a cause... what the fuck happened to this country to think that you must work 24/7 to be an american?

It just seems like the same hatered yuppies had with hippies who portested war and wanted peace... they didn't work for years and no one said let's round them up and throw them out... hippies made jobs out of following Grateful Dead and tripping on acid... what's wrong with that?? Why do you have to work 40 hours a week to be american?? We are spose to be a free country... free to work when ever you want... free to sit on your ass when you want... freedom is merely the ability to feel love for everyone...not the ability to work everyday...

imigrants are only protesting because they feel they have a point and a reason... instead of being irrational and thinking we can just march them back to mexico is just dumb and a waste of thought... why not try to figure out why they are doing it and make america a more welcoming country.

I thnk it's noble for what they are doing... they achieved thier mission and just have to put up with the ignorance of americans who think llfe means work... something I'm sure many people didn't think america stood for...

but you all keep your safe job, go home to your safe house, kiss your safe wife, and tuck your safe kids in bed... give up all your freedoms for safty and don't worry about anything in the real world...

I'll wait till next week till you bitch about something different and not understand why you aren't happy... could it be cause you work 60 hours a week?

[Shelbay]

I find nothing noble at all about today..why don't they learn english and do this the right way when coming here...don't disrespect and imo that is what many are doing..and I am enjoying a day of shopping with no hollering kids anywhere (I hope).:) At least they are standing together with few holdouts (and even they are supporters but still working).

[Psycho4Bud]

I wanna know why so many 'americans' think it's the right thing to work everyday of the week nad to force your kids to go to school with teachers that are stupid...

Missing a day of work or day of school isn't that big of a deal... I've missed plenty for being hung-over much less for standing up for something... I think the real problem that is coming out from this isn't the effect imigrants have on american it the ability america has had to brainwash everyone to think that they must work every single day of the week and that if you do nothing for a day you are a worthless piece of crap...


It's part of life....we all got things we don't want to do but have to.

They are missing one day ONE, 24 hours, that's it... I'm sure I've wasted a day doing something more worthless than a march.. hell everyday I go to work I think it's more worthless than standing up for a cause... what the fuck happened to this country to think that you must work 24/7 to be an american?

It just seems like the same hatered yuppies had with hippies who portested war and wanted peace... they didn't work for years and no one said let's round them up and throw them out... hippies made jobs out of following Grateful Dead and tripping on acid... what's wrong with that?? Why do you have to work 40 hours a week to be american?? We are spose to be a free country... free to work when ever you want... free to sit on your ass when you want... freedom is merely the ability to feel love for everyone...not the ability to work everyday...

imigrants are only protesting because they feel they have a point and a reason... instead of being irrational and thinking we can just march them back to mexico is just dumb and a waste of thought... why not try to figure out why they are doing it and make america a more welcoming country.

Their not hippies that were/are citizens.....their not immigrants....THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Why should illegals be given a day off and a blind eye? The key word is ILLEGAL!

I thnk it's noble for what they are doing... they achieved thier mission and just have to put up with the ignorance of americans who think llfe means work... something I'm sure many people didn't think america stood for...

but you all keep your safe job, go home to your safe house, kiss your safe wife, and tuck your safe kids in bed... give up all your freedoms for safty and don't worry about anything in the real world...

I'll wait till next week till you bitch about something different and not understand why you aren't happy... could it be cause you work 60 hours a week?

Let them go through the process like millions of other immigrants had to....what's so wrong with that?:confused:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Bong30]

I saw this quote on another forum and thought it deserve to be here as well---
Theodore Roosevelt :
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Thank you EG very powerful........i like your repub side.....lol

[Psycho4Bud]

Thank you EG very powerful........i like your repub side.....lol

He does make one hell of a good neo-con....lol:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Oh great....now the dog won't even play fetch...:mad:

[Gumby]

since when has a protest become disrespectful? Ya they are not legal... most of them know that, they understand that... they aren't protesting because they think they are legal... they are protesting because they want to become legal and our government is too busy with a Dick Length contest to pass anything that can help them come to this country legally...

They don't wanta amnesty and I hope they know they won't get it... they just want a process that they can follow to come into this country legally and if 3 million people come here illegaly each year, something isn't working right... something needs to be done about it and they are showing that.

Americans are too full of themselves to realize that.. they see one bad person and thinks that what everyone wants... it's not... the want the ability to come to america and live the american dream.... something you or your ancestors did at one point in their life as well.

Is it because Bush has had everyone by the balls and there have been no protest in years?? Is that why?? No one notices till people stand up and do something... that's what they are doing... they aren't trying to take america over... they are trying to find a way to become american...

are there some who need to be sent back.. yes a hell of a lot... but don't let them hide the main reason for the protests there is a problem in this country about illegals.... we know it, they know it... we need congress and our leader to do something about it...they are protesting cause they won't.. beacause they go to congress and pull out their dick's and say look mines bigger, no look mines bigger... we have a leadership who isn't worried about what is happening to america and it pisses me off that people who aren't american understand our rights more than americans do...

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

we have a failed immigration program... look on your tv 15 million got in without talking to anyone...that's a problem... they want it fixed as much as you do... stop trying to fight everyone... fight congress and bush if you are pissed about them being here... it's thier fault not the mexicans... they came cause they could and no one cared... but now that they are here people care... it's not the governments problem for letting them in though...no... it's theirs for wanting to come here and live a life better than what they would in mexico... Get a life... they came cause our government knew they needed a slave force to make them money... thats why they are here and why they won't send them back...

yell at your congressman not a mexican...

[Shelbay]

I think I would yell at the coyotes and their slave practices with human beings before I yelled at anyone else...and yes...what some are doing are disrespectful concerning the marches today imo.

[Psycho4Bud]

since when has a protest become disrespectful? Ya they are not legal... most of them know that, they understand that... they aren't protesting because they think they are legal... they are protesting because they want to become legal and our government is too busy with a Dick Length contest to pass anything that can help them come to this country legally...

People do it through the legal means available today...so what gives these people the right of way to avoid existing law?

They don't wanta amnesty and I hope they know they won't get it... they just want a process that they can follow to come into this country legally and if 3 million people come here illegaly each year, something isn't working right... something needs to be done about it and they are showing that.

There is a way, problem is this....they don't think they have to follow the existing guidelines.

Americans are too full of themselves to realize that.. they see one bad person and thinks that what everyone wants... it's not... the want the ability to come to america and live the american dream.... something you or your ancestors did at one point in their life as well.

Is it because Bush has had everyone by the balls and there have been no protest in years?? Is that why?? No one notices till people stand up and do something... that's what they are doing... they aren't trying to take america over... they are trying to find a way to become american...

If Americans want to protest in America thats one thing, if Mexicans want to protest....well, I think you know where I'm going with this....
are there some who need to be sent back.. yes a hell of a lot... but don't let them hide the main reason for the protests there is a problem in this country about illegals.... we know it, they know it... we need congress and our leader to do something about it...they are protesting cause they won't.. beacause they go to congress and pull out their dick's and say look mines bigger, no look mines bigger... we have a leadership who isn't worried about what is happening to america and it pisses me off that people who aren't american understand our rights more than americans do...

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This holds true for U.S. citizens!

we have a failed immigration program... look on your tv 15 million got in without talking to anyone...that's a problem... they want it fixed as much as you do... stop trying to fight everyone... fight congress and bush if you are pissed about them being here... it's thier fault not the mexicans... they came cause they could and no one cared... but now that they are here people care... it's not the governments problem for letting them in though...no... it's theirs for wanting to come here and live a life better than what they would in mexico... Get a life... they came cause our government knew they needed a slave force to make them money... thats why they are here and why they won't send them back...

yell at your congressman not a mexican...

We should yell at the congressman.....GET SOME GREYHOUND BUSSES READY!!!

[Bong30]

they should turn south and march right back to mexico and fix that shit hole....



if they put as much energy into mexico as they do protesting america... mexico might not suck.....




no it would still suck

[Psycho4Bud]

There are proper proceedures in place for immigration..........

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/require.htm

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/howapply.htm

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/statemap.htm

[Psycho4Bud]

I think I would yell at the coyotes and their slave practices with human beings before I yelled at anyone else...and yes...what some are doing are disrespectful concerning the marches today imo.

I myself would'nt harrass any protesters but I sure don't agree with them!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Bong30]

the civil war will start in sothern california.....

[Gumby]

There are proper proceedures in place for immigration..........

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/require.htm

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/howapply.htm

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/statemap.htm


is that why 20 million got in here illegaly?? what don't you get about needed a chagne?? if 20 million get through something is broken or not working like it should... you think greyhounds is the answer you're dumber than i thought... i'm sure it's cheap to haul 15 million people in greyhounds... get a fucking clue... somethings broken... its needs to be fixed and it's not that mexicans are here it's how they got here...it's sad that you can blame this on them and not give a shit that congress hasn't done anything about this... do you not rememeber them wacking each other off before they went on break about how great of job they had done and how they came up with a plan...

our immigration process is flawed... horribly flawed and if you think it's cause of the mexicans your either ignorant or stupid...

but blame them I don't care... you're gonna find something else to bitch about next week... and once again be ignorant to the fact the maybe fixing what is broken is better than hating people...

[Psycho4Bud]

is that why 20 million got in here illegaly?? what don't you get about needed a chagne?? if 20 million get through something is broken or not working like it should... you think greyhounds is the answer you're dumber than i thought... i'm sure it's cheap to haul 15 million people in greyhounds... get a fucking clue... somethings broken... its needs to be fixed and it's not that mexicans are here it's how they got here...it's sad that you can blame this on them and not give a shit that congress hasn't done anything about this... do you not rememeber them wacking each other off before they went on break about how great of job they had done and how they came up with a plan...

If their shooting across the border in such masses it seems to me the flawed system is in Mexico...not the U.S.
I thought Greyhound would be a nice way to travel...fact is this, THEY ARE ILLEGAL and have no buisiness here in the U.S. to begin with. Go through the proper process and THEN move on in.

our immigration process is flawed... horribly flawed and if you think it's cause of the mexicans your either ignorant or stupid...

So are other laws but that is part of society that ALL people have to abide by.

but blame them I don't care... you're gonna find something else to bitch about next week... and once again be ignorant to the fact the maybe fixing what is broken is better than hating people...

Who am I hating? I got busted for growing because it was ILLEGAL. I didn't bitch, piss, moan , or complain....I took my lumps. What makes illegal immigrants so special as not to have to abide by the law?

You should have noticed that part of the naturalizatiion criteria is to know english....many other immigrants from other nations had to jump throught the hoops, why not Mexicans?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This holds true for U.S. citizens!


then why are we in Iraq? if our beliefs are meant only for americans why are we trying to spread it around the world?? HYPOCRACY....

that's what's wrong is you are seeing them as non americans and therefor they shouldn't be allowed our rights?? that's crap, they are still allowed human rights.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â?? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â?? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

what about that one... not just american right... right this land was founded on... rights we no longer have... rights you all are pissing away for security... what about happiness... what about the right to live a peaceful happy life??

[Bong30]

I don't care... We know you dont care about america
you're gonna find something else to bitch about next week... NO wrong again, ill still be bitching about illegals, radical islam and you.
:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This holds true for U.S. citizens!


then why are we in Iraq? if our beliefs are meant only for americans why are we trying to spread it around the world?? HYPOCRACY....

that's what's wrong is you are seeing them as non americans and therefor they shouldn't be allowed our rights?? that's crap, they are still allowed human rights.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â?? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â?? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

what about that one... not just american right... right this land was founded on... rights we no longer have... rights you all are pissing away for security... what about happiness... what about the right to live a peaceful happy life??
great point!

so the US can kill 100,000 civilians in Iraq to get them the rights which we cherish,
but those in our country which arent citizens want it
and Americans look down upon them to the lowest level
= sickening

[Gumby]

20 million... 20 million... that 20,000,000

2 million have been arrested in the us...

some 450,000 for drugs.... 20,000,000 isn't cause of some small glitch in the system, it's a flawed system and flawed border... we share it by the way with mexico, it's not just theirs...

ok, why not instead of pay 10 - 25 BILLION to get them all out, we give Mexico 20 Billion to keep them their... why not instead of trying to kick them out we help mexico build a stronger country and help create jobs there so they don't come here... if we are the GLOBAL FREEDOM FIGHTERS!!! why not help the country right next to us instead of the one in the middle of no where with the oil...

[Psycho4Bud]

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This holds true for U.S. citizens!

EXACTLY....for U.S. citizens.


then why are we in Iraq? if our beliefs are meant only for americans why are we trying to spread it around the world?? HYPOCRACY....

U.N. sanctions broken
Paying martyrs for jihad
WMD's hidden in Syria now

You will also notice the Iraqi's exercising their right to protest.....you don't see Al-Quada doing it in Iraq though.

that's what's wrong is you are seeing them as non americans and therefor they shouldn't be allowed our rights?? that's crap, they are still allowed human rights.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â?? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â?? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

That's why I offered the Greyhound idea. If we did't allow them human rights they would be packed in the back of semi's like sardines....kind of like how some of them arrived. I don't notice any of these people crying for political amnesty because of human rights violations in Mexico.

what about that one... not just american right... right this land was founded on... rights we no longer have... rights you all are pissing away for security... what about happiness... what about the right to live a peaceful happy life??

There are alot of areas that all of the branches have stomped on the basics of our constitution but in general; I'm peaceful and happy......:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

20 million... 20 million... that 20,000,000

2 million have been arrested in the us...

some 450,000 for drugs.... 20,000,000 isn't cause of some small glitch in the system, it's a flawed system and flawed border... we share it by the way with mexico, it's not just theirs...

Exactly....a flawed border! They want to come here to work on a temp basis...give a work green card...they overstay the visit....give em' the boots.

ok, why not instead of pay 10 - 25 BILLION to get them all out, we give Mexico 20 Billion to keep them their... why not instead of trying to kick them out we help mexico build a stronger country and help create jobs there so they don't come here... if we are the GLOBAL FREEDOM FIGHTERS!!! why not help the country right next to us instead of the one in the middle of no where with the oil...
Why give them 20 billion. That's half the problem now. Oh U.S., either you give us "x" amount of dollars or this will happen. Why do you think half of our army was trapped up during the Iraq war? Turkey trying to extort money for allowing our forces to march. Because of this the 4th division wasn't able to secure the Syrian border.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

i know you are psycho... i thought you were rational as well... I just don't understand why you think it is ok to fix Iraq and spend $275,000,000,000 and counting ( www.costofwar.com) but not to fix mexico...

20,000,000 people didn't come here cause they thought it would be fun, they came because mexico isn't nice and it's easy to get here... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." that is not only american... its meant for everyone... and we are not helping them in any way by sending them back to a country that doesn't help...

so all I am asking is why not spend money on helping them out rather than spending the same money kicking them out, just so they will come back again...

give a man a fish he'll eat for a day.... teach a man to fish he'll eat for a life time...

I'm not saying let's let them in an call them american... we need sovernty... I'm saying why waste billions on sending them all back when we can spend the same money giving them a better life???

[Psycho4Bud]

give a man a fish he'll eat for a day.... teach a man to fish he'll eat for a life time...

I'm not saying let's let them in an call them american... we need sovernty... I'm saying why waste billions on sending them all back when we can spend the same money giving them a better life???

I agree there has to be more of a solution but I don't have the answers. Big buisiness ships out jobs to these countries (like Heinz) because of the consumer base but then it gives slave labor wages....that's something that needs to be dealt with by the Mexican government for fair labor wages.

Good debate.......enjoyed it!!!:D

I'm so glad we had this time together,
Just to have a laugh, and sing a song.
Seems we just got started and before we knew it
Came the time we had to say, 'So long.':thumbsup:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

ahh... so maybe the answer is to get rid of big business in america... that way we won't need slaves... we won't have 400million dollar oil profiteers... we won't have a global empire... we won't have a dictator... we won't have corruption... we won't have a rich and poor class...

maybe the answer isn't to fix each problem big business causes, maybe it's time to take big business out of government...

FYI.... Kerry is married to a lady with Heinz as a last name :) wonder why congress allowed it to happen... bring up another top 25 company and i'll find you someone in office...

here's a few- condi rice... chevron 10 years
hillary.... walmart board
DICK - do I have to??? Halliburton for one..
BUSH - doesn't he and his dad own oil... and there are much much more...
keep going??

pick one and look into their history... it's time we stop putting people in office who are there for money... cause that is what causes problems and it's not going to change till we stop the cause, not the problems...

[Gumby]

and incase you wondered... the illegal populatoin shot through the fucking roof when Bush got into office... I WONDER WHY??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456958/html/nn1page1.stm

SO LIKE I SAID DON'T YELL AT A MEXICAN YELL AT THE PEOPLE IN OFFICE WHO BROUGHT THEM HERE TO MAKE THEM MONEY... THEN LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE YOU GET PISSED AGAIN!!!

sorry had to let that out... time to get high and play in the garden... see you all later... by the way here are the email address to congress...

http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html

[activedenial]

The US government is saying it's OK to break laws.:dance: :clap: :thumbsup:

[bongerstonerd00d]

I got your back bro. And Gumby, why dont you as an American go to Mexico and assemble, then march for their rights. Let me know how that works out.



>>>>>>>>>>>>to the right
b0nger

P.S. If they really wanted us to miss them, they should have all marched back to Mexico, that would have really shown us what this fiasco was all about.

[Psycho4Bud]

P.S. If they really wanted us to miss them, they should have all marched back to Mexico, that would have really shown us what this fiasco was all about.

LOL.....that pretty much sums it up! Good one!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

What did they really accomplish today?

Didn't buy American goods........
Must have stocked up yesterday or are going to tomarrow

Holding the kids out of classes.......
So the kids that are actual citizens got more one on one

Didn't go to work.................
Oh well, the Dow Jones didn't drop off any

Look like ungrateful asses..........
Sure did!!

[eg420ne]

It will backfire on them all ...including the neo-cons..austin & dallas had a low turn out, even the rio grand valley, nice work La Raza

[Psycho4Bud]

It will backfire on them all ...including the neo-cons..austin & dallas had a low turn out, even the rio grand valley, nice work La Raza

Hey now, on this issue your more neo-con than the most of us..........Come to the dark side Luke!!!!!!!!

[Gumby]

I hope you all aren't this hyped about the Marijuana March this weekend...

are you all gonna find some reason it's bad to protest that??

[Bong30]

Hey now, on this issue your more neo-con than the most of us..........Come to the dark side Luke!!!!!!!!
i am your father.................(the repeb party) lol

[redneck1]

the fact of the matter with this immigration crap is: they are not immigrants, they are illegal aliens. they do not contribute anywhere near what they take out of the us. and the most important, they want something hear in the us, that not one us citizen can have in mexico. it is about as hypocritical a load of crap as there ever was. oh, and by the way, they sure as hell don't work for slave labor wages around here. i' usually a very tolerant person, but not now. but, i'm actually fairly content, because tomorrow morning i'm firing four people. i ran new hiring ads last weekend in anticipation of this, and hired new people to replace the ones that didn't show up today! :thumbsup:

[Gumby]

maybe you shouldn't have hired illegals to work for you... you're the problem not them

don't you realize that if you don't pay them they don't want to come over here... stop making money off them and they will leave... it's not that hard to figure out... but I guess you care more about money than you do your freedom which is why you hired them in the first place... thanks..

[Bong30]

maybe you shouldn't have hired illegals to work for you... you're the problem not them

don't you realize that if you don't pay them they don't want to come over here... stop making money off them and they will leave... it's not that hard to figure out... but I guess you care more about money than you do your freedom which is why you hired them in the first place... thanks..

sounds like he is doing the right thing now... thats all that matters. (remember gumby first time warning)

if you read his post he said that the illegals dont work cheap in his area. so how was that helping him.

good job redneck

[Gumby]

it's helping them because he gives them a lot of money... are you that stupid...

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU I WILL MAKE YOU LOOK RETARDED IF YOU KEEP POSTING AFTER ME...

and since when has it been ok to break the law once, not get in trouble for it, complain about the people you paid to do it and them bitch that they are here?

fuck am I living in a fucking dream.. people are seriously getting pissed cause they payed for mexicans to be here, now there are pissed they are here... and you support them for that... what the fuck did I wake up in... this has to be a bad acid trip right??

[redneck1]

actually gumby, i've never hired illegals! nor am i going to tolerate someone screwing up my customer base and their schedules! the reality is if your here legally and doing the right thing, you would'nt have nothing to protest about. thats the funny thing about the liberal point of view. you took my statement and twisted it to fit the shit your spewing. no where did i mention having illegals working for me, i stated i was terminating those that did not show up to work. :cursing:

[redneck1]

thanks bong! gumby, your a jackass! didn't you state earlier that you've missed work many times from being hung over and the such? your one of the main reasons why illegals come here and can find work. if you got your ass out of bed and went to work, there wouldn't be need for someone else to fill that position!

[Gumby]

sorry I thought you fired them for thinking they were illegal, but does it make you feel better to fire them for using thier rights... If by liberal you mean wanting to believe in the constitution then yes I am a liberal and think that if a person wants to use the rights they are allowed by our constitution no one should stop them... incase you didn't know what I was talking about ...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

since when has work controled life?? we have no personal freedoms and it's because of people like you.. who think it's more important you have people to make you money than have a country where people are free to express how they feel... so sorry for thinking you fired illegals but fuck you for firing people who believe in america... you should go to mexico since you don't like our laws here so much... or go to chiina where you can force you employees to work 18 hours a day... fuck you...

[redneck1]

ok gumby, without my customers, who will pay their salaries? and as a matter of fact, i'm a big believer in the constitution. but i have absolutely no sympathy for illegals being here! some of the guys that work for me and my family, more for my dad than myself, are from mexico. how many people have you helped obtain a green card to work. i can name about a dozen off the top of my head that my family has helped. my family still has a place way down in mexico, where we use to teach alot of diving. many of the people that work for myself and my dad, are from down there. the difference is, they all came here legally and the funny thing is, none of them wanted to be any part of this bullshit. they don't drive around with mexican flags. they all, atleast the individuals that work for us, try their best to be part of american society. you want to know what the most ironic part of this is? they are all above forty. you have no idea how much of a difference that makes. they are old school mexican, have deep values, and are genuinely great people. now, the younger ones, very early twenties, don't have any of these old fashion values. :mad:

[redneck1]

one more thing. the reason i assumed you were liberal, is how easily you make assumptions about others you don't even know. you made all kinds of assumptions about my situation without any facts. you went from accusing me of hiring illegals to not believing in the constitution. whats next, because my log in name is redneck1, your going to call me a white supremesist(spelling).:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

no I accused you of not believing that people should be allowed to protest, and assemble... May 1st has been a workers freedom day for a long time... may day has been a workers protest day longer than you had your business... that's what I'm say... I'm sorry if american news has done a shitty job covering the protests, but they are not about people who are here illegaly... they are for people who want to work... those who want respect and equal employee rights... sorry the media and people like you took this day to mean lets hate all the illegals here and forgot what May Day stood for and what workers rights mean....

[redneck1]

blah, blah,blah.

[bongerstonerd00d]

Its tough being a god fearing, christian, white, male, republican these days. And no, I did not belong to the KKK with Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia).

Did Hilary march today ? 2 years ago she declared on TV, "WE NEED TO CLOSE OUR BORDERS"........now she says "GOD would not approve"........amazing.

Senators Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi.....where were they at today ?? I did not see Senator Rosy Cheeks (Theodore Keddedy D-Massachusetts
) either..


I think the Mexicans did a lot of walking for nothing.



Oh well, I'll shut up....


peace, and hug your neighbor

b0nger:rasta:

[Gumby]

Its tough being a god fearing, christian, white, male, republican these days. And no, I did not belong to the KKK with Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia).

Did Hilary march today ? 2 years ago she declared on TV, "WE NEED TO CLOSE OUR BORDERS"........now she says "GOD would not approve"........amazing.

Senators Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi.....where were they at today ?? I did not see Senator Rosy Cheeks (Theodore Keddedy D-Massachusetts
) either..
I think the Mexicans did a lot of walking for nothing.
Oh well, I'll shut up....
peace, and hug your neighbor
b0nger:rasta:


I don't know why you want me to respond or what you are trying to say cause it doesn't make any sense... but I don't believe I ever said I loved Hillary... I don't think I ever said that we should all love mexicans and let them in... I don't think I ever said I give a shit about the marches... what I did say was it's sad mexicans as using our constitution more than americans are...

I did say we have a huge problem with immagrants and it because of the people in charge not the mexicans... I'm pretty sure I blamed Hillary for beign on Walmart's Board, and made fun of Bong for shopping there and saying fuck you to the immigrants...

What you didn't see was my post where I said what Kennedy was doing... you missed the post that I was watching c-span and caring what are government is up to... you missed the post that I said that is the only way anything will change... yelling at a mexican will do nothing... but telling the douche bag you voted for that you realized he's a douche bag will...

I said it's time we stoped letting the biggest businesses run our counrty because they only want money and cheap labor...

huh, I wonder why oil prices are highest ever and there are 20 million illegals working here... it's cause the fucking mexicans, right?? Get a fucking clue and read what I write before you call me out next time...

[redneck1]

actually gumby, i pretty much agree with most of your last post. peace.:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

One thing that gets me on this issue and without posting supporting links I'll tell ya what I found. Out of 20,000,000 illegals they estimate that 70% is Mexican. That would be 14,000,000 Mexicans alone. Mexico has a population of 107,000,000. That means that 13% of their population lives and works in the U.S.???

Can anyone else see what might be wrong with that?:cool:

[Gumby]

i heard it was actually about 20-25% percent more leaning towards the 25 side... you gotta remember there are still a lot of them here that are 'legal' as well... there are a lot of them that are shipped over here to work for big busineses... did you notice that huge companies had to close yest?? odd... I wonder why that happened?

but ya, having that many people leave your country isn't good... that's why I think we need to help them out... why are we helping Iraq, but not Mexico?? They are a little bit closer... hell they got drugs now... fix it up a bit, stop taking so much money and taxing so much... build some schools... get some medicine, help maybe with water... hell I hated going to cancun and not being able to drink water.. can we not help them out with that... lets trying helping out our neighbors instead of blowing up another country...

[eg420ne]

the unseen invasion

[redneck1]

in actuality, the vast majority of the major companies that were closed yesterday, had their employees work on saturday in exchange for taking monday off. the media is very good at omitting the majority of the information they report. go figure. as far as "helping mexico out", this country is roughly three hundred years old, depending on when you want to start counting it as a country, and look at our status in the world. mexico has been around much longer than the united states. i'm all for helping the next guy out but, just exactly what has mexico ever done for the united states? the cheap labor argument doesn't apply.

[Gumby]

they did give us the southwest... if we're going whole history... we did take that from them...

I don't think we should baby them... or even be that involved, I'm liberal remember... he who governs leasts governs best... I'm just saying instead of spend the money to get them out of here, what if we use that to motivate them to go home... we have to do something, I'm just trying to purpose a different means then putting them on busses... that is how this whole thing started... Just don't think it's better to round them up to get them out of here rather it would be better to spend that money on giving them a reason to go back there...

plus you can't use ice in mexico... that shit sucked, i had hot water the whole time... I can't drink that hung over, i need ice...

[Psycho4Bud]

they did give us the southwest... if we're going whole history... we did take that from them...

I don't think we should baby them... or even be that involved, I'm liberal remember... he who governs leasts governs best... I'm just saying instead of spend the money to get them out of here, what if we use that to motivate them to go home... we have to do something, I'm just trying to purpose a different means then putting them on busses... that is how this whole thing started... Just don't think it's better to round them up to get them out of here rather it would be better to spend that money on giving them a reason to go back there...

plus you can't use ice in mexico... that shit sucked, i had hot water the whole time... I can't drink that hung over, i need ice...

I'm really confused here! On one hand you accuse the U.S. of invading Iraq to rape them of oil supplies, having 131,000 troops on their lands, etc....

On the other hand, you don't seem to mind 14,000,000 Mexicans illegally in our country raping the health system for free care, school systems for free education to non-tax paying illegals, and don't bring up the "gun card" because groups like MS-13 have enough of them not to mention the border attacks.

We're trying to get 3 factions in the middle east to get along so we can get the hell out of there:The Mexicans march the streets stating that "today we march, tomarrow we vote". I really don't understand! Who's the evil invaders??:confused:

[haze kr]

here here

[Gumby]

No I want them out... I think they should leave... I'm pretty sure I made that clear, but if not ... yes get the fuck out... lock the border, we need sovernty...

but all I am saying is instead of getting mad at the mexicans, get mad at the people incharge from them being here...

and instead of spending the billions and billions it would take to round them up and ship them out... why not spend it on mexico and help them become a better nation... so 1/4 of there population doesn't want to leave... what good does shipping them back do when they don't want to be there... they are just going to want to come back... if we're gonna spend the money why not spend it in a way that will help them longer...

the whole give a man the fish thing...

ship them out they will come back... teach them how to become "what we are" and they will stay and make mexico better...


just like it does no good to bomb Iraq and not help... just like it was stupid to go through afghanistan and not leave soliders in there to defend it...

why fix a problem if you are only creating another one... why not stop the cause of the problem... <-- cause Bush and Halliburton get paid to fix all the problems they keep creating....

[Psycho4Bud]

No I want them out... I think they should leave... I'm pretty sure I made that clear, but if not ... yes get the fuck out... lock the border, we need sovernty...

Load up the busses then??? Semi's ???

but all I am saying is instead of getting mad at the mexicans, get mad at the people incharge from them being here...

Their government....are you suggesting that we invade Mexico and cure their political system? If not, how?

and instead of spending the billions and billions it would take to round them up and ship them out... why not spend it on mexico and help them become a better nation... so 1/4 of there population doesn't want to leave... what good does shipping them back do when they don't want to be there... they are just going to want to come back... if we're gonna spend the money why not spend it in a way that will help them longer...

the whole give a man the fish thing...

ship them out they will come back... teach them how to become "what we are" and they will stay and make mexico better...

"yes get the fuck out... lock the border,".....LOL...flip-flop?

just like it does no good to bomb Iraq and not help... just like it was stupid to go through afghanistan and not leave soliders in there to defend it...

why fix a problem if you are only creating another one... why not stop the cause of the problem... <-- cause Bush and Halliburton get paid to fix all the problems they keep creating....

Your all for sending bucks to Mexico to fix their system and therefore keep their citizens and gang bangers home......should have Saddam just gave us all the oil contracts for nothing to keep us out of Iraq...since we didn't belong there?

[redneck1]

ok, now this shit is beyond ridiculous. why the fuck should we pay to fix mexico? why shouldn't they fix their own country? nobody helps the united states fix this country when something bad happens! i don't have anything against mexicans, but i sure as fuck wouldn't go into their country where i would be a guest as a tourist, and start waving my flag, and demanding all kinds of shit. there has to be a point when enough is enough, and this is it! oh, they did not give us the southwest. they lost it in a war, much like the lands they attained in the south of their country. there is no way to fix the immigration problem without someone being pissed. i would much rather the people that are upset are the ones that are here illegally, and not the citizens of this country that die supporting this country!

[xblackdogx]

ok, now this shit is beyond ridiculous. why the fuck should we pay to fix mexico? why shouldn't they fix their own country? nobody helps the united states fix this country when something bad happens!

Qatar recently (day or two ago) donated 70 million dollars for Hurricane Katrina relief. Around 40 million was donated to universities in the area such as Xavier. ;) ...

[Gumby]

how do you idiots purpose on sending them back?

how much will it cost, and where will you get the money from??

what good does spending hundreds of billions of dollars to kick people out do??

and yes, don't you think if we would have given sadam $275,000,000,000 he might not have been so pissy?? Don't you think the people in Iraq and Afghanistan saw us trying to help out thier country by giving them $275,000,000,000 instead of using that money to blow them up they would like us a little more??

if we are going to spend the money why not try to make both sides happy instead of pissing someone off?? We have to pay for it cause it was our government who let them in... it was the US that was attacked on 9/11 right and the US who needs to be safe... we should have the strong borders... but we don't cause the people in charge want money... so they need cheap labor and a war... AHH... oh shit, 20 million illegal workers and one of the most expensive pointless wars ever (which was started by a lie from our government.. well more than one lie)...

why do you people always have to be mad at everone?? this is spose to be a marijuana forum, smoke something, it'll make you happy....

All I'm trying to say is that if we're gonna spend the money, why not spend it on making someone happy instead of pissing someone off again?

quit the patriotic bullshit and how great america is... they don't deserve here we're the best ever... people die for this country.. blah blah blah... they died supporting a country that cared... an idea that this is the best country in the world... and the best country in the world doesn't spend trillions of dollars blowing shit up and kicking people out.... this isn't america, it's a global empire... I am damn sure are forfathers didn't want us running this country into debt blowing shit up and kicking people out.. it will cost billions upon billions to do that, why can you all not get that??

we have to spend the money either way to get them out... and if you all weren't so busy being pissed at everyone you'd see 95% of americans want them out... you're just too busy bitching that they shouldn't be allowed to stay... NO SHIT... I haven't seen anyone even start an argument on why they should stay... So stop bitching that they should leave and instead try to think of a good way to get them out...

stop bitching to other people about stupid shit... it does nothing... if you'd read what people write and listen to what they say, maybe you wouldn't be as pissed off... but we're not trying to disagree with you so stop defending yourself... just stop thinking it's a fucking easy thing to ship them out...that's ignorant, and worse than them thinking they can stay...

I really don't know what is worse... illegals thinking they can just come in and have our rights, or the americans who really think we can just get busses and ship them back. Not once have I seen a plan or even an idea of how this could be done... it's one of the fucking stupidest things I've ever heard and you all are only doing it because you're not thinking... you're getting pissed and thinking with your dick and not your head...

I'm pissed too... I fucking hate them here... but that will do absolutely nothing to get them out of here... maybe when america understands that and you people stop getting pissed at people who agree with you... we can get mad at that people who do have a say and something will change...

just honestly tell me what the fuck saying lets ship them out on busses does?? someone get me the plan on how to do that and I may take you more seriously... but fuck off... you're worse of a problem than they are because you're doing nothing to fix the problem, just standing on the sideline making ignorant remarks...


and psycho, if you're gonna be a mod try reading before your write stuff...

ship them out they will come back... teach them how to become "what we are" and they will stay and make mexico better...

"yes get the fuck out... lock the border,".....LOL...flip-flop?

to me that sound like i still want them in mexico... i just wanna give them a reason to stay there so we don't have to keep kicking them out and costing more money...


Their government....are you suggesting that we invade Mexico and cure their political system? If not, how?

that's what we did to Iraq isn't it... so we can do it to one country but not the other... makes fucking great sense... but no I don't like killing people, not very peaceful in my mind (not sure why killing people isn't peaceful, just something I could never grasp)..... all I'm saying is the money is going somewhere... instead of giving it to Halliburton to ship them out and not do anything... kinda like Iraq... why not - (from my own post just up the page... read next time ok)

"fix it up a bit, stop taking so much money and taxing so much... build some schools... get some medicine, help maybe with water... hell I hated going to cancun and not being able to drink water.. can we not help them out with that... lets trying helping out our neighbors instead of blowing up another country..."

Why not help the kids in that country get an education so hopefully in a generation they can run a peacful prospering educational coutry... why ship them back to a place they are going to leave anyways?? why can't you all get that... stop being pissed at everyone, it's not their fault your life sucks...

[Bong30]

how do you idiots purpose on sending them back?

You make it illegal......to hire them...god your dumb. do you want me to list the 3 strikes for you again? THey will GO HOME
how much will it cost, and where will you get the money from?? Them they go there they can take their ases home.
what good does spending hundreds of billions of dollars to kick people out do?? Man you are smart...

and yes, don't you think if we would have given sadam $275,000,000,000 he might not have been so pissy?? Don't you think the people in Iraq and Afghanistan saw us trying to help out thier country by giving them $275,000,000,000 instead of using that money to blow them up they would like us a little more??

if we are going to spend the money why not try to make both sides happy instead of pissing someone off?? We have to pay for it cause it was our government who let them in... it was the US that was attacked on 9/11 right and the US who needs to be safe... we should have the strong borders... but we don't cause the people in charge want money... so they need cheap labor and a war... AHH... oh shit, 20 million illegal workers and one of the most expensive pointless wars ever (which was started by a lie from our government.. well more than one lie)... (smoke screen) war blahblah

why do you people always have to be mad at everone?? this is spose to be a marijuana forum, smoke something, it'll make you happy....I smoke all day every day and punk commie kids like you piss me off

All I'm trying to say is that if we're gonna spend the money, why not spend it on making someone happy instead of pissing someone off again? I dont give a fuck who we piss of. BORDERS LANGUAGE CULTRE

quit the patriotic bullshit and how great america is... they don't deserve here we're the best ever... people die for this country..(BRING MY DAD BACK ASSHOLE) blah blah blah... they died supporting a country that cared... an idea that this is the best country in the world... and the best country in the world doesn't spend trillions of dollars blowing shit up and kicking people out.... this isn't america, it's a global empire... I am damn sure are forfathers didn't want us running this country into debt blowing shit up and kicking people out..(are you kidding me what did they do to the indians) it will cost billions upon billions to do that, why can you all not get that??

we have to spend the money either way to get them out... and if you all weren't so busy being pissed at everyone you'd see 95% of americans want them out... you're just too busy bitching that they shouldn't be allowed to stay... NO SHIT... I haven't seen anyone even start an argument on why they should stay... So stop bitching that they should leave and instead try to think of a good way to get them out...

stop bitching to other people about stupid shit... it does nothing... if you'd read what people write( you type too much gumby, keep it to about 2 paragraphs and break it up with spaces it is hard to read when you sit here and bitch at commies all day) and listen to what they say, maybe you wouldn't be as pissed off... but we're not trying to disagree with you so stop defending yourself... just stop thinking it's a fucking easy thing to ship them out...that's ignorant, and worse than them thinking they can stay...

I really don't know what is worse... illegals thinking they can just come in and have our rights, or the americans who really think we can just get busses and ship them back. ( read above self deportation) Not once have I seen a plan or even an idea of how this could be done... it's one of the fucking stupidest things I've ever heard and you all are only doing it because you're not thinking... you're getting pissed and thinking with your dick and not your head...

I'm pissed too... I fucking hate them here... but that will do absolutely nothing(story of your life) to get them out of here... maybe when america understands that and you people stop getting pissed at people who agree with you... we can get mad at that people who do have a say and something will change...

just honestly tell me what the fuck saying lets ship them out on busses does?? someone get me the plan on how to do that and I may take you more seriously... but fuck off... you're worse of a problem than they are because you're doing nothing to fix the problem, just standing on the sideline making ignorant remarks...


and psycho, if you're gonna be a mod try reading before your write stuff...

ship them out they will come back... teach them how to become "what we are" and they will stay and make mexico better...

"yes get the fuck out... lock the border,".....LOL...flip-flop? ( remeber jekel hyde)
to me that sound like i still want them in mexico... i just wanna give them a reason to stay there so we don't have to keep kicking them out and costing more money...


Their government....are you suggesting that we invade Mexico and cure their political system? If not, how?

that's what we did to Iraq isn't it... so we can do it to one country but not the other... makes fucking great sense... but no I don't like killing people, not very peaceful in my mind (not sure why killing people isn't peaceful, just something I could never grasp)..... all I'm saying is the money is going somewhere... instead of giving it to Halliburton to ship them out and not do anything... kinda like Iraq... why not - (from my own post just up the page... read next time ok)

VVVVVVVwho has this kinda time gumby keep it short.^^^^^^^^^^

"fix it up a bit, stop taking so much money and taxing so much... build some schools... get some medicine, help maybe with water... hell I hated going to cancun and not being able to drink water.. can we not help them out with that... lets trying helping out our neighbors instead of blowing up another country..."

Why not help the kids in that country get an education so hopefully in a generation they can run a peacful prospering educational coutry... why ship them back to a place they are going to leave anyways?? why can't you all get that... stop being pissed at everyone, it's not their fault your life sucks...
My life is great.....NOW


:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

do you want me to list the 3 strikes for you again?

the only thing yo've ever thought of and yes... that's the kind of thinking I would like people like you to do... not go trough what I write and Bitch about it...

come up with a better idea and prove me wrong... stop bitching... for someone who's life is great you sure do bitch a hell of a lot about the stupidest shit...

[Bong30]

1st time you are caught hiring an illegal warning
2nd time 50k fine
3rd time (listen) the CEO does 60 days CEO.....not manager not worker


see gumby not the worker....

[Gumby]

well done... see some independent thinking... wasn't that fun??

the only problem that I can think of with your idea is that it exsists, just not in that form... but what doesn't exsist is a congress that care about that part... what I've been preaching the whole time...


It is on the jobs front that the hypocrisy of our leaders becomes so maddeningly apparent. From 1997 to 2005, we added 4,300 agents to patrol our borders, increasing the force to 11,100 and making it appear as though the government was getting serious about a crackdown, according to the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse. But at the same time, the number of federal immigration agents who investigated work-site compli- ance actually went down, from 240 in 1999 to 65 in 2004, according to the Government Accountability Office.
The same study found that the number of notices of intent to fine employers who had hired illegal aliens dropped to three in 2004. At least 7 million illegal immigrants are estimated to be working, but our immigration service could only find three employers hiring them.
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_3771055

when our government is making money on them being here... money from the businesses who hire them... they aren't too keen on kicking them out by not letting them work... cause they don't get paid that way...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/26/national/main546248.shtml
(AP) A federal jury acquitted Tyson Foods and three managers Wednesday of hiring illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America as part of a nationwide conspiracy to boost production and profits.

(didn't they shut down on monday cause of all their illegals?? that was in 2003 that they were found not guilty... trial by jury though, right bong.. they were allowed to cause 12 people say so, not cause it's right or wrong)

Past high-profile cases haven't slowed the tide of illegal workers. Not a $1.75 million fine paid by Houston-based Pappas Restaurants in 1997 for training undocumented workers as chefs, then supplying false papers and hiding places at its Pappadeaux Seafood and Pappasito's Cantina eateries in the Metroplex. Nor the $1.9 million penalty shouldered two years later by Filiberto's, a Phoenix chain of Mexican restaurants, or the $11 million forked over last year by Wal-Mart for having illegal immigrants fill cleaning crews even though the chain said it was unaware of their status.

Although there's little consensus among employers on which legislative proposal is best, those interviewed acknowledged that from a national security perspective, the current system isn't working.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/14466774.htm

[Gumby]

that's the same walmart you shopped at on May Day too Bong... not trying to say I was right, but... I think I was right....

But I'm glad to see that independent thought.... what about these strikes though

congress - 1st earmark warning
2nd earmark to make money 60 days in jail
3rd time 3 years in jail...

maybe if we hold the people who allow it accountable, it won't happen anymore... A country For the people, Of the people, By the people... not money whores...

[Psycho4Bud]

how do you idiots purpose on sending them back?

how much will it cost, and where will you get the money from??

what good does spending hundreds of billions of dollars to kick people out do??

Your the one that stated that they should get the hell out....how do you propose this...with financial aid for Mexico so they can take back their invaders.....your points, not mine!

and yes, don't you think if we would have given sadam $275,000,000,000 he might not have been so pissy?? Don't you think the people in Iraq and Afghanistan saw us trying to help out thier country by giving them $275,000,000,000 instead of using that money to blow them up they would like us a little more??


LOL...nice twist. What I stated was that you believe that we should line Mexicos pockets in order for them to take back 14,000,000 of their citizens, shouldn't have Saddam just gave us all the oil rights in order for our 131,000 troops to stay home....same shit!

if we are going to spend the money why not try to make both sides happy instead of pissing someone off?? We have to pay for it cause it was our government who let them in... it was the US that was attacked on 9/11 right and the US who needs to be safe... we should have the strong borders... but we don't cause the people in charge want money... so they need cheap labor and a war... AHH... oh shit, 20 million illegal workers and one of the most expensive pointless wars ever (which was started by a lie from our government.. well more than one lie)...

And this has what to do with the illegals in this country....9-11 garble doesn't work on this.

why do you people always have to be mad at everone?? this is spose to be a marijuana forum, smoke something, it'll make you happy....

You seem to be very happy.:rolleyes:

All I'm trying to say is that if we're gonna spend the money, why not spend it on making someone happy instead of pissing someone off again?

quit the patriotic bullshit and how great america is... they don't deserve here we're the best ever... people die for this country.. blah blah blah... they died supporting a country that cared... an idea that this is the best country in the world... and the best country in the world doesn't spend trillions of dollars blowing shit up and kicking people out.... this isn't america, it's a global empire... I am damn sure are forfathers didn't want us running this country into debt blowing shit up and kicking people out.. it will cost billions upon billions to do that, why can you all not get that??

we have to spend the money either way to get them out... and if you all weren't so busy being pissed at everyone you'd see 95% of americans want them out... you're just too busy bitching that they shouldn't be allowed to stay... NO SHIT... I haven't seen anyone even start an argument on why they should stay... So stop bitching that they should leave and instead try to think of a good way to get them out...

If 95% of Americans want them out, git r done! Drop their asses off at the border. You say they should leave, they are illegal, they drain our system, I really don't understand your flipping on this issue?????

stop bitching to other people about stupid shit... it does nothing... if you'd read what people write and listen to what they say, maybe you wouldn't be as pissed off... but we're not trying to disagree with you so stop defending yourself... just stop thinking it's a fucking easy thing to ship them out...that's ignorant, and worse than them thinking they can stay...

I really don't know what is worse... illegals thinking they can just come in and have our rights, or the americans who really think we can just get busses and ship them back. Not once have I seen a plan or even an idea of how this could be done... it's one of the fucking stupidest things I've ever heard and you all are only doing it because you're not thinking... you're getting pissed and thinking with your dick and not your head...

I'm pissed too... I fucking hate them here... but that will do absolutely nothing to get them out of here... maybe when america understands that and you people stop getting pissed at people who agree with you... we can get mad at that people who do have a say and something will change...

just honestly tell me what the fuck saying lets ship them out on busses does?? someone get me the plan on how to do that and I may take you more seriously... but fuck off... you're worse of a problem than they are because you're doing nothing to fix the problem, just standing on the sideline making ignorant remarks...

So remarks that contradict your beliefs are ignorant...o.k.....that makes for a great debate/discussion.

and psycho, if you're gonna be a mod try reading before your write stuff...

LOL...when I'm in here I'm not playing mod so stick that one right up your candy ass! I've read your stuff and asked questions regarding your post, YOU are the one that blew a nut!

ship them out they will come back... teach them how to become "what we are" and they will stay and make mexico better...

"yes get the fuck out... lock the border,".....LOL...flip-flop?

to me that sound like i still want them in mexico... i just wanna give them a reason to stay there so we don't have to keep kicking them out and costing more money...

Get the fuck out does not mean stay in Mexico. If I'm in a bar and the bouncer says get the fuck out...it usually means I'm in his bar...not someone elses.

Their government....are you suggesting that we invade Mexico and cure their political system? If not, how?

that's what we did to Iraq isn't it... so we can do it to one country but not the other... makes fucking great sense... but no I don't like killing people, not very peaceful in my mind (not sure why killing people isn't peaceful, just something I could never grasp)..... all I'm saying is the money is going somewhere... instead of giving it to Halliburton to ship them out and not do anything... kinda like Iraq... why not - (from my own post just up the page... read next time ok)

Don't pull this garble on my ass, don't work dude! I read your post and asked questions regarding what YOU posted.

"fix it up a bit, stop taking so much money and taxing so much... build some schools... get some medicine, help maybe with water... hell I hated going to cancun and not being able to drink water.. can we not help them out with that... lets trying helping out our neighbors instead of blowing up another country..."

Why not help the kids in that country get an education so hopefully in a generation they can run a peacful prospering educational coutry... why ship them back to a place they are going to leave anyways?? why can't you all get that... stop being pissed at everyone, it's not their fault your life sucks...

They know how to build schools, they know how to purify water.....you said it "teach a man to fish........" They already know how to fish but it's a hell of alot easier to come up here and take the fish for free! Rebuild Mexico...hell no, not unless they want to become a state!

By the way....... a good way to stop being pissed is to quit calling folk ignorant asses for their comments to your posts.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

i don't see how i'm am that confusing...

we have to spend money...
it cost money to round them up and send them out
it cost money to help mexico build a better nation

I am picking the latter... the fact you do not understand that it is is an either or is situation is ignorant...

I am defending my belief my saying if Mexico is better they will go back and stay there...

Questioning your belief for sihpping them by saying why will they not come back??


with the underlying belief that it is our government's fault they are here... they allowed them and wanted them... and that is who we should be mad at


does that clear up anything for you?

[Psycho4Bud]

i don't see how i'm am that confusing...

we have to spend money...
it cost money to round them up and send them out
it cost money to help mexico build a better nation

I am picking the latter... the fact you do not understand that it is is an either or is situation is ignorant...

I am defending my belief my saying if Mexico is better they will go back and stay there...

Questioning your belief for sihpping them by saying why will they not come back??


with the underlying belief that it is our government's fault they are here... they allowed them and wanted them... and that is who we should be mad at


does that clear up anything for you?

What would my plan be is about what your asking.....I'd have a nice wall, something that would be considered as the 8th wonder of the world. There would be outposts with HEAVILY armed individuals for all those carrying ladders or shovels. All the damn underground tunnels would be filled and cemented shut for good.

We ARE in debt, We CANNOT afford to take care of the needs of 20,000,000 more unwanted people. 95% of Americans want them out....ship their asses and don't be nice about it....maybe if the trip home was worse than the one getting here they WOULDN'T come back!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

^ and look at that fucking smile does that look like a sad smile to you?? just cause I say fucking ignorant a lot doesn't mean I'm pissed... I have a bad mouth... sorry, not a big believer in 'swear words'

remember I'm a puritain.. swear words aren't that... I follow (try to)the Ten Comandments and I believe that the commandment was :

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

that means I don't say 'In God We Trust', and think we should 'Swear to God' when we go to court... cause that's kinda bad...

but that's a whole nother topic and I don't really wanna talk about how fucked up the Ten Commandments have become... and how fucked up christians think there are

[Gumby]

What would my plan be is about what your asking.....I'd have a nice wall, something that would be considered as the 8th wonder of the world. There would be outposts with HEAVILY armed individuals for all those carrying ladders or shovels. All the damn underground tunnels would be filled and cemented shut for good.

We ARE in debt, We CANNOT afford to take care of the needs of 20,000,000 more unwanted people. 95% of Americans want them out....ship their asses and don't be nice about it....maybe if the trip home was worse than the one getting here they WOULDN'T come back!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

and how much does your wall cost?? and how much does it cost to get them out?? that's why you are ignorant... because you don't think about that... if money is your issue for taking care of them, than why is it not for building the '8th wonder in the world' ... FUCKING IGNORANT!!!

[Psycho4Bud]

and how much does your wall cost?? and how much does it cost to get them out?? that's why you are ignorant... because you don't think about that... if money is your issue for taking care of them, than why is it not for building the '8th wonder in the world' ... FUCKING IGNORANT!!!

O.K. you INGNORANT FUCK! Here's $53,000,000 to start off with! If thats the game you want to play...bring it on! If not....chill.

Coloradoâ??s Medicaid program will spend more than $53 million this year on acute emergency needs for non-U.S. citizens, but the exact amount that will be spent caring for illegal immigrants isnâ??t known.
http://www.thepbj.com/story.cfm?ID=9074

And another $73,000,000

U.S. to help cover health costs of illegals
Providers in state to divvy up $71 million for emergency care
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/10/MNGSCCMILO1.DTL

And another $4,700,000,000!
Texas' illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers more than $4.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43755

And another $1,300,000,000!
Arizona taxpayers pay an estimated $1.3 billion a year for health care, education and prison costs
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13694

It took me less than 5 minutes to find over $6,000,000,000/yr.! Thats for one years costs in 4 states! I'll not only have the 8th wonder of the world in 5 years but I'll also ship their asses back south of the border in a Limo!!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:


Your choice....with/without flame.......

[Psycho4Bud]

Here's some wall money for ya!

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimates that state and local costs associated with illegal immigration for public education, health care and incarceration, now about $36 billion a year, would balloon to $61.5 billion by 2010 -- a 70 percent increase -- and increase to $106.3 billion by 2020.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200604/NAT20060411c.html

According to this, within a five year period we're going to spend an estimated $250,000,000,000 on illegal care. That would have the potential of making the Great Wall of China look like a Kwik Trip!

[Bong30]

According to this, within a five year period we're going to spend an estimated $250,000,000,000 on illegal care.

he cant count that high on his fingers and toes....

does gumby, even have fingers and toes?

[Psycho4Bud]

A proposal to build a double set of steel walls with floodlights, surveillance cameras and motion detectors along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border heads to the Senate next month after winning overwhelming support in the House.

The wall would be intended to prevent illegal immigrants and potential terrorists from hiking across the southern border into the United States. It would run along five segments of the 1,952-mile border that now experience the most illegal crossings.

The plan already has roiled diplomatic relations with Mexico. Leaders in American border communities are saying it will damage local economies and the environment. And immigration experts say that -- at a cost of at least $2.2 billion -- the 700-mile wall would be an expensive boondoggle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/26/BORDERFENCE.TMP

700 miles...hell, lets go for it all! 2100 miles worth at $6.6 with the typical "it may be twice as much" gives a total wall cost of $13,200,000,000. Greyhound would probably be $200/head making $2,180,000,000 a shipping fee. Total cost of wall and shipping on all illegal Mexicans at $15,000,000,000.

$250,000,000,000
-$15,000,000,000
=$235,000,000,000 SAVINGS!!! (across 5 years)A quarter of a trillion dollar savings not to mention the 63 billion dollar burdon per year by 2010 would be eliminated!

THEN we could send em' some clean water if ya want!:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

I love to see a wall built i'll even help , but then they will just build underground passages way to cross over. we'd need the national guard on the border, i bet then the mexican army wont shoot at them like they do the BP & sheriffs.........but having the NG there wont sit good with me either, maybe i should move away from the border, but where?

[Psycho4Bud]

On the Great Wall of China they used pits with drums to detect if an invading army was trying to trench their way in. These days we have Seismic Monitors.....they wouldn't get close! :thumbsup:
By the way, National Guard would be posting ALL OVER that wall.....we would STILL save money!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/index.html

one like this maybe... good guy to take advice from... good way to build relations.... good way to be a global freedom fighter... when will you see that you are supporting a dictator... he has convinced you it's a good idea to build a wall between our borders...

since when did we go from 'Tear down this wall' to build the 8th wonder of the world??

what part of america is that?

and now that you have found the money, why are schools and social help not a good idea... the last reason you said was money... why should we not help out our neighbors? we just whored them out for cheap labor... they were slaves, why not at least give them a chance...

I bet your ides for ending slavery would have been to ship them all back to africa huh?

[icebelowfreeze]

i love america but we make alot of mistakes, we dont fix our problems until its too late, 9/11, now the energy and the immagration problem. They should have secured the border in 2001, i have nothing against immagrants wanting to come to america and make a better life for thereself, but theres the right way and the wrong way of doing things, you dont let that many illegals in the country and say oh well were gonna make it a felony... If illegals can get in, what would stop the terroist's???? from what i hear canadas borders not so secure either.

[Psycho4Bud]

http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/index.html

one like this maybe... good guy to take advice from... good way to build relations.... good way to be a global freedom fighter... when will you see that you are supporting a dictator... he has convinced you it's a good idea to build a wall between our borders...

LOL...he hasn't convinced me of shit! Actually if we are to be honest about it, eg420ne brought it to my attention. The discussions in here brought the 20,000,000 number to my attention. After reading a little bit about the subject, knowing full well that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS shouldn't be here; I've come to my own conclusions based on FACTUAL NUMBERS.

since when did we go from 'Tear down this wall' to build the 8th wonder of the world??

Comparing this to the Berlin Wall? Come on now..:rolleyes:

what part of america is that?

That would be South America and North America.

and now that you have found the money, why are schools and social help not a good idea... the last reason you said was money... why should we not help out our neighbors? we just whored them out for cheap labor... they were slaves, why not at least give them a chance...

Hey, after we save a quarter trillion a year we can institute a few of your programs....how bout $50,000,000,000 a year after 2011, we'll STILL be saving money!

I bet your ides for ending slavery would have been to ship them all back to africa huh?

Low blow, uncalled for! Fact is, my great grandfather served for the North!


Funny though how you turn this shit around. FIRST it was the cash! I found PLENTY of cash. Now it's Berlin Wall and slavery shit?

YOU stated they should be out....I FOUND THE CASH for limo rides to the Mexican town of their choice.........you wondered how someone could be so ignorant as to think we could afford a wall...I FOUND THE CASH! :thumbsup:

So your answer is within the next 5 years to have a $250,000,000,000 unneeded expense on our national budget AND rebuild the entire Mexican infrustructure so they "might" want to go home? And you bitch about Bush's spending?:rolleyes:

[Shelbay]

I like the news I just read on Arizona State law that is being enforced about illegals..every state should pattern a law similar and I bet it would help with stopping more from being sold into this country and expecting amnesty for their illegal actions. Who is here from Maracopa County? And I do believe the illegals theirselves should be held accountable but once again I detest those coyotes in this business...any Alabama leo's on here for once I say thank you for getting those 2 coyotes last week and doing what you are..not letting them go and holding strong on current developments.

[Gumby]

Low blow, uncalled for! Fact is, my great grandfather served for the North!


Funny though how you turn this shit around. FIRST it was the cash! I found PLENTY of cash. Now it's Berlin Wall and slavery shit?

YOU stated they should be out....I FOUND THE CASH for limo rides to the Mexican town of their choice.........you wondered how someone could be so ignorant as to think we could afford a wall...I FOUND THE CASH! :thumbsup:

So your answer is within the next 5 years to have a $250,000,000,000 unneeded expense on our national budget AND rebuild the entire Mexican infrustructure so they "might" want to go home? And you bitch about Bush's spending?:rolleyes:



no, what you are not understanding is this... and I don't know how to spell it out any eaiser...

your plan... to buss/limo/truck them out and build a wall ... ( you at first had no funding sources)

my plan... build infrustructure so they will go back... ( using the money the money it would take to ship them out and build a wall)


I wasn't debating Bush's spending in this thread, I was debating your spending... the money you later found to use for shipping them out and building a wall... That money... instead of spending it on shipping them out and building a wall... why not spend the same money you will spend to help them...

your main complaint for my idea has been either... a)why should we spend money on them... or why should we help them out...

a) It's the same money you would rather build a wall with and ship them out with... it's spending money on them either way you look at it... I see my was as a little nicer and hopefully a better way to keep good relations with Mexico/get them all back to Mexico/ and look like a nice neighbor instead of a mean big brother.

b) because we are America... not Berlin... the same reason you laughed when I brought it up... we're not even close to that idea of a country... they why do we need to build a wall, instead of help them out??

[Psycho4Bud]

no, what you are not understanding is this... and I don't know how to spell it out any eaiser...

your plan... to buss/limo/truck them out and build a wall ... ( you at first had no funding sources)

my plan... build infrustructure so they will go back... ( using the money the money it would take to ship them out and build a wall)


I wasn't debating Bush's spending in this thread, I was debating your spending... the money you later found to use for shipping them out and building a wall... That money... instead of spending it on shipping them out and building a wall... why not spend the same money you will spend to help them...

Don't blow smoke up my ass.......THIS is what you so eliquintly stated!


and how much does your wall cost?? and how much does it cost to get them out?? that's why you are ignorant... because you don't think about that... if money is your issue for taking care of them, than why is it not for building the '8th wonder in the world' ... FUCKING IGNORANT!!!

O.K.....so how are YOU going to fund this and face esculating costs on our system due to more and more illegals?:cool:

[Gumby]

what don't you get???

i'm don't think it's that hard...

the money for YOUR wall... will instead go for my Idea... that's all I was saying...

instead of a wall we build a better country... same money...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... THE FACT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHY I SAID YOU WERE IGNORANT 10 POSTS AGO... BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY IS THE SAME... YOUR MONEY IS THE SAME MONEY I WOULD USE...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT... THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU WANT TO USE FOR A WALL I WANT TO USE FOR PEACE...

WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT??

am I really not that clear or are you really that ignorant?

ig·no·rant (ĭg'nər-ənt) pronunciation
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


I did not have money planned to spend... my money was the money you were going to use to bus them out and build a wall.. please understand that... it will cost you money to do that... INSTEAD of spending that money on something that doesn't look the most neighborly ( your wall) spend THE SAME MONEY YOU PURPOSE BE SPENT ON THE BUSSES AND WALLS on something nice and respectable... do you not think people would look better upon america if INSTEAD of building a wall we use

[Gumby]

THE SAME MONEY FOR PEACE....

[Psycho4Bud]

what don't you get???

i'm don't think it's that hard...

the money for YOUR wall... will instead go for my Idea... that's all I was saying...

MY money came from kicking them out and taking it from the SAVINGS!

instead of a wall we build a better country... same money...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... THE FACT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHY I SAID YOU WERE IGNORANT 10 POSTS AGO... BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY IS THE SAME... YOUR MONEY IS THE SAME MONEY I WOULD USE...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT... THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU WANT TO USE FOR A WALL I WANT TO USE FOR PEACE...

NOT THE SAME MONEY (mine is from expenses saved) YOU DUMB SON OF A BITCH! FIND THE CASH BITCH!

WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT??

am I really not that clear or are you really that ignorant?

ig·no·rant (ĭg'nər-ənt) pronunciation
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


I did not have money planned to spend... my money was the money you were going to use to bus them out and build a wall.. please understand that... it will cost you money to do that... INSTEAD of spending that money on something that doesn't look the most neighborly ( your wall) spend THE SAME MONEY YOU PURPOSE BE SPENT ON THE BUSSES AND WALLS on something nice and respectable... do you not think people would look better upon america if INSTEAD of building a wall we use

So when your proven wrong all you can do is flame? WTF??? I found the cash, now you find it and ALSO find the cash to support the increase this country is going to feel up till you convince the illegals that you have rebuilt their country. I also know the meaning of ignorant: GUMBY!

[Psycho4Bud]

THE SAME MONEY FOR PEACE....

The money I found is what we spend and project to spend to support the illegals. You want to keep the poor lil' immigrants and also fix their homeland...NOT the same money! Are you Democrat by chance?:cool:

[Gumby]

will you need the money to send them out before you stop spending it on them and if not when ever you get that money... them money for them not being here... when you get that money.... the same money for them not being in mexico... that money... the same money... the money for them not being here... the same money... that money... when you get that money...

instead of spending it on a wall and shipping them out... spend it on mexico and give them a reason to get out...

both plans they are out... they all leave... my plan they go to a nice country where they can get an education (maybe understand what ignorant means), health care... the infrustruster... the same money you found that we spend on them here.... that money .... the same money... the money it will cost... that money... do you understand it's the same money yet?? ... why not spend that money on building a better Mexico.

Instead of spending it on the illegal ones here... instead of spending it on a wall... the same fucking money... why not spend it on mexico...


any way you look at it we will have to spend money... the money you found - on the ones that are here that shouldn't be - the money for your wall/busses - the money to better mexico...

it's the same money... they all leave... no more illegals here.... do we need better laws for employers and housing fuck yes.... do not allow them to make a living here illegally... but instead of spending the money on them here or spending it to ship them out... why not tell them were going to spend it on bettering thier country and give them a reason to go back??


is it really that hard to be nice to people?? i guess you believe what our dictator does?? bombs better than hugs... feirce ignorance over peaceful sharing

[Psycho4Bud]

is it really that hard to be nice to people?? i guess you believe what our dictator does?? bombs better than hugs... feirce ignorance over peaceful sharing

I'm being nice to the U.S. taxpayer who is sick and tired of supporting these illegals. Tell ya what Mr. Peaceful...next time some illegal Mexican lady has a baby, YOU can be kind enough to fork over the $3,000 for the expense and leave the rest of us ignorant tax payers out of it!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

you still don't realize in the end of my idea they are back in mexico... why can't you understand that??

that's $3,000 is either, a) going to be spent everytime if nothing is done
b) be spent on sending less a few out of 20,000,000 immagrants home (your plan)
or c) spend it on them in mexico, so they go back there and the ones that are there can make it a better place so we don't have to do this again...

when will you understand it's the same money??

tell you what mister ignorant, next time you wanna spend billions on building a wall why not try to spend it making the world a better place... I'm sorry if that is such a grave concept for you... but I was taught to believe love is better than hate... we are all humans, there is no need to spend THE SAME MOENY on sperating us when THE SAME MONEY could be spent on giving them a better place to live...

please... please... please... go back and read a little... I really don't think I made it that confusing... I agree I mistype a bit and use FUCKING IGNORANT alot... but that's cause this is a real easy concept to get... love beterr than hate... bridges better than walls... peace better than war...

same money if they are here... if there is a wall.. or if we help them in mexico...

you're choosing to seperate and cause hate.... i'm choosing combine and create peace... so next time a mexican lady has a baby be grateful it costs as much to feed, clothe, house, and educate her child as it would be to build a wall and kick her out... you be happy about that... think about that when you have your wall in mind... cause IT'S THE SAME FUCKING MONEY...

[Psycho4Bud]

you still don't realize in the end of my idea they are back in mexico... why can't you understand that??

that's $3,000 is either, a) going to be spent everytime if nothing is done
b) be spent on sending less a few out of 20,000,000 immagrants home (your plan)
or c) spend it on them in mexico, so they go back there and the ones that are there can make it a better place so we don't have to do this again...

So that illegal Mexican woman can have her kid on the streets and not on our tax payers money? Where's the extra cash to afford their being here and rebuilding Mexico...ANSWER PLEASE...FOR ONCE!

when will you understand it's the same money??

tell you what mister ignorant, next time you wanna spend billions on building a wall why not try to spend it making the world a better place... I'm sorry if that is such a grave concept for you... but I was taught to believe love is better than hate... we are all humans, there is no need to spend THE SAME MOENY on sperating us when THE SAME MONEY could be spent on giving them a better place to live...

please... please... please... go back and read a little... I really don't think I made it that confusing... I agree I mistype a bit and use FUCKING IGNORANT alot... but that's cause this is a real easy concept to get... love beterr than hate... bridges better than walls... peace better than war...

same money if they are here... if there is a wall.. or if we help them in mexico...

you're choosing to seperate and cause hate.... i'm choosing combine and create peace... so next time a mexican lady has a baby be grateful it costs as much to feed, clothe, house, and educate her child as it would be to build a wall and kick her out... you be happy about that... think about that when you have your wall in mind... cause IT'S THE SAME FUCKING MONEY...

FACT:
Most of the U.S. LEGAL citizens want them deported.

Our border patrol are under gun fire.

They'll cost the U.S. taxpayers a total of a quarter trillion dollars within the next 5 years.

So called "peace lovers" don't want to flip the bill (When I proposed this to ya, you didn't say o.k., I will)

Summary:

Let the 5% of U.S. citizens use their tax dollars to rebuild Mexico and let the other 95% build a beautiful wall and ship their illegal asses back to Mexico to enjoy all you have done for them!:D
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5% across 5 years estimated at a quarter trillion gives ya 12.5 billion to work with....that should get the darlings some bottled water at least!

Lets see here now...that leaves the rest of us with 237.5 billion to work with.......Still looks like a beutiful wall, limo rides for all, and you can still blow daisys all over Mexico.:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

the fact that you still don't understand they go back with my idea is so incredably ignorant it's a fucking joke... you've become worse than bong...

and when you realize that instead of spending that 237.5 billion on a wall you could have built plenty of houses/hospitals/schools in mexico... so they have a place to live/make money/ and prosper... not in america... with the same amount of money spent...

what is so hard to figure out about that... I don't wanna flip any bill I wanna take the money you are wasting on guns and walls and spend them on bettering the world... blow fucking daisys over that....

stop trying to make me believe what you are and just take 5 minutes to read what I am trying to explain to you... because it is really frustrating knowing you're the mod and you either
a) are too stupid to understand what I am saying or
b) not reading it and just posting your opinion...

they all leave with my idea... why can you not understand that??
you need money with yours.. i need money with mine... it's the same money....

they all leave... with the same amout of money spent...

results of yours... we kick 20,000,000 into a place they don't want to be and spend more money making sure they don't come back

results of mine... we give them a place they want to go... so they leave and don't come back...

same money... same goal... yours evil... mine nice... does that make it any easier for you??

[Psycho4Bud]

the fact that you still don't understand they go back with my idea is so incredably ignorant it's a fucking joke... you've become worse than bong...

They do go back with your plan....AFTER you prove to them that your improvements makes THEIR OWN country more appealing than ours (all within 5 yrs. of couse)....free health care, no taxes, higher pay scales, etc....

and when you realize that instead of spending that 237.5 billion on a wall you could have built plenty of houses/hospitals/schools in mexico... so they have a place to live/make money/ and prosper... not in america... with the same amount of money spent...

Sorry buddy, can't spend that cash now because we have to SUPPLY free health care, etc........SPENT MONEY, since they're staying till you fix their country AND THEN convince them it's better at home!

what is so hard to figure out about that... I don't wanna flip any bill I wanna take the money you are wasting on guns and walls and spend them on bettering the world... blow fucking daisys over that....

Money is spent, you pissed it away keeping your welfare cases here in the U.S.
stop trying to make me believe what you are and just take 5 minutes to read what I am trying to explain to you... because it is really frustrating knowing you're the mod and you either
a) are too stupid to understand what I am saying or
b) not reading it and just posting your opinion...

they all leave with my idea... why can you not understand that??
you need money with yours.. i need money with mine... it's the same money....

they all leave... with the same amout of money spent...

results of yours... we kick 20,000,000 into a place they don't want to be and spend more money making sure they don't come back

YOU want to rebuild that shit hole, not me!

results of mine... we give them a place they want to go... so they leave and don't come back...

At what cost to the U.S.? I answered your money questions...ANSWER THIS!!! Use links and not "opinions".:D I did!

same money... same goal... yours evil... mine nice... does that make it any easier for you??

Mine economically fiscal......yours, bullshit....does that make it easier for you?

[Gumby]

ya, you pretty much helped me out... you're ignorant

you argue no better than Bong and I'm sorry I didn't realize that with your pentagon BS... but, you still doing a great job at being a Mod... but you are ignorant when it comes to a different view

I completly understand your view and plan and understand where your money comes from...

I can find just as many BS plans taxpayers pay that you did... mine is only bullshit because you don't agree not because of the money...

you don't want to rebuild mexico... it's not about the money... you just don't want to help out... I just hope you understand that... I want to help them and give them a reason to go.... you just want to kick them out... that's is the only difference between our plans.. you calling mine bullshit is only because you don't want to help and you disagree with giving them money...

how long is it gonna take you to build that wall by the way?? and how long is it going to take you to round up the 20.000.000 people?? you really wanna talk about flaws in plans... you really think you can do yours in 5 years?? you think we just stop paying with yours?? if we don't stop till they leave then where do you get your money from?? we can't use the money if they are still here can we?? are you just going to ask them?? cause you need money to round them up and get them out... and you won't get that till they leave... and they can't leave till they get that money... oh, shit... your plan has yet another flaw... but even when you do get them out... you still need to build that wall... if you think it can be done in 5 years your just proving your stupidty even further... so until that wall is there they are still coming back, costing more money and still using the money you need... uh, oh... another flaw...


how is it that you can get the money for them for not being here to round them up and get them out?? when you answer that question follow it with 'and that can be used to help rebuild'... cause it's going to be the same time... then when you answer the question of the money to build the wall (untill they stop coming in) follow it with 'and that can be used to build their country and give them a reason to go back....

then when you ask yourself how much will it cost to keep the wall maintained, armed, gunned, manned.... think of how much you could keep giving to mexico to help them maintain their better nation... giving them a reason to stay...

look at canada... why don't you want a wall there?? they can come in too... why not build one there?? cause they don't want to come cause they have a nice country... wht can't we just try to do the same for mexico.. if we are really the nation fighting for freedom, why not help our nieghbor...

[icebelowfreeze]

you said do something to make em move back, what about the marijuana legalization along with coke, ect. Dont know if they tend to make this fully legal, or tolerant? Sounds more like a plan to get people back there or get more tourist's to me, not a bad idea as long as it can be controlled i guess. plus they have that song with heavy rotation playing in mezico saying "Cross the border and Die" pretty much

[icebelowfreeze]

my bad, just realized mexico city refused the law about legalizing drugz, too bad

[Gumby]

bush told him no, so they didn't sign it into law... no drugs in mexico...

[Psycho4Bud]

ya, you pretty much helped me out... you're ignorant

you argue no better than Bong and I'm sorry I didn't realize that with your pentagon BS... but, you still doing a great job at being a Mod... but you are ignorant when it comes to a different view

I completly understand your view and plan and understand where your money comes from...

I can find just as many BS plans taxpayers pay that you did... mine is only bullshit because you don't agree not because of the money...

you don't want to rebuild mexico... it's not about the money... you just don't want to help out... I just hope you understand that... I want to help them and give them a reason to go.... you just want to kick them out... that's is the only difference between our plans.. you calling mine bullshit is only because you don't want to help and you disagree with giving them money...

how long is it gonna take you to build that wall by the way?? and how long is it going to take you to round up the 20.000.000 people?? you really wanna talk about flaws in plans... you really think you can do yours in 5 years?? you think we just stop paying with yours?? if we don't stop till they leave then where do you get your money from?? we can't use the money if they are still here can we?? are you just going to ask them?? cause you need money to round them up and get them out... and you won't get that till they leave... and they can't leave till they get that money... oh, shit... your plan has yet another flaw... but even when you do get them out... you still need to build that wall... if you think it can be done in 5 years your just proving your stupidty even further... so until that wall is there they are still coming back, costing more money and still using the money you need... uh, oh... another flaw...


how is it that you can get the money for them for not being here to round them up and get them out?? when you answer that question follow it with 'and that can be used to help rebuild'... cause it's going to be the same time... then when you answer the question of the money to build the wall (untill they stop coming in) follow it with 'and that can be used to build their country and give them a reason to go back....

then when you ask yourself how much will it cost to keep the wall maintained, armed, gunned, manned.... think of how much you could keep giving to mexico to help them maintain their better nation... giving them a reason to stay...

look at canada... why don't you want a wall there?? they can come in too... why not build one there?? cause they don't want to come cause they have a nice country... wht can't we just try to do the same for mexico.. if we are really the nation fighting for freedom, why not help our nieghbor...

You ask me a question as to where the money will come and also call me ignorant for even suggesting that it would be available. I PROVE to you that the money would be available and in the long run we'd even see net savings.

I ask you where YOUR money is coming from and there is no response except for bullshit slams and how is this wall going to be maintained. Well, as far as maintanance, I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border.


Now answer me for ONCE!

HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO FIND THE MONEY TO SUPPORT YOUR BUDDIES IN THE U.S. AND ALSO REBUILD MEXICO? You cant!

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO COMPLETELY OVERHAUL THE INFRUSTRUCTURE OF MEXICO? You don't have a clue!

PLEASE feel free to change the answers and remember, supply supportive links.:D

[Gumby]

You ask me a question as to where the money will come and also call me ignorant for even suggesting that it would be available. I PROVE to you that the money would be available and in the long run we'd even see net savings.

I ask you where YOUR money is coming from and there is no response except for bullshit slams and how is this wall going to be maintained. Well, as far as maintanance, I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border.


Now answer me for ONCE!

HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO FIND THE MONEY TO SUPPORT YOUR BUDDIES IN THE U.S. AND ALSO REBUILD MEXICO? You cant!

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO COMPLETELY OVERHAUL THE INFRUSTRUCTURE OF MEXICO? You don't have a clue!

PLEASE feel free to change the answers and remember, supply supportive links.:D


I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border...

I'm going to use that money... that has what I have been saying the whole time... the same money you are going to use... I do not know numbers but you also don't have numbers for rounding them up... our government hasn't figured it up yet... no one knows... no one knows the impact of them leaving... of how much it will take away from our economy... you don't have that figured in...

But either way... the same money you want to use to build a wall with I want to help out mexico with... the same money ... why don't you understand that...

if you want to debate plans then please say that and I'll be more than happy to go through your bus and 8th wonder and point out what is wrong... but why don't you understand that the same money you want to use and purpose to use, I want to use...

why can you not understand that I can use the same money you can... there is nothing to debate about that... why do you keep thinking that is the issue?? it's not... it's the same money...

the only thing that is different is that you want to build a wall and I want to help mexico...

[Freshy]

i believe it is closer to 12,000,000 not 20,000,000. and I would say have them pay taxes before we give them aid instead of the other way around. and no democracy in the world would deport all of them... except maybe Mexico, but they have a big problem with those people from Guatemala (Mexicans are encouraged to beat, rape, shoot, and steal from illegal immigrants living in Mexico)

the main reason to tighten up the borders (look it's plural) is for our own safety. i would have to assume that Canada has better security than Mexico though, therefore Mexico should be the first priority. also, in Canada the terrorists will freeze their desert lovin nuts off...

a statistic said something along the lines of 40% of all weapons people attempt to cross the Mexican border with actually make it. this includes weapons of more impact than small arms, such as explosives.

[Psycho4Bud]

I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border...

I'm going to use that money... that has what I have been saying the whole time... the same money you are going to use... I do not know numbers but you also don't have numbers for rounding them up... our government hasn't figured it up yet... no one knows... no one knows the impact of them leaving... of how much it will take away from our economy... you don't have that figured in...

But either way... the same money you want to use to build a wall with I want to help out mexico with... the same money ... why don't you understand that...

The same money??? The money I'M talking about is the money saved by NOT HAVING THEM HERE! Your keeping them here and rebuildiing Mexico....

if you want to debate plans then please say that and I'll be more than happy to go through your bus and 8th wonder and point out what is wrong... but why don't you understand that the same money you want to use and purpose to use, I want to use...

Because it's not....your plan has them staying in the U.S. costing us that cash, mine has their free ride done and the cash is availabe...BIG DIFFERENCE!

why can you not understand that I can use the same money you can... there is nothing to debate about that... why do you keep thinking that is the issue?? it's not... it's the same money...

the only thing that is different is that you want to build a wall and I want to help mexico...

You really can't be this thick. SERIOUSLY!:eek:

[Gumby]

it will cost you money to find them and put them on busses... it will cost you money for people to do that and for gas for the busses... it will cost you money to keep the paper work for them.... it will cost you money to get them out...

you will not have the money for them not being here until you get them out...

and you cannot get them out unless you have money...

that money... the money you will use to get them out with... the money you will use before they leave... that is the money I will use... the same money...

when they leave we will save money... the money you purpose to build a wall and keep it maintained... that money... the money for them not being here...

that money will go for them to stay in mexico... they came here with out anyone having to round them up and ship them out... if we give them a reason to go back to mexico..... we don't have to spend the money you need to ship them out...

mine would cost less than your plan... and it would be the same money... please understand that, I'm getting tried of trying to explain the fact that both cost money and that it's the same money..

[xblackdogx]

psycho i understand what you mean about it being different money...
so where would the money come from?
it's a good idea

[Psycho4Bud]

psycho i understand what you mean about it being different money...
so where would the money come from?
it's a good idea

I look at TODAYS cost and compare it to the future cost. We can begin projects, go to war, send foreign aid, etc....on a moments notice so it's not like we can't find deportation cash. Look at posts #85 and #86 where I put in actual expenses we see today and what they project for up to 2020. If we spend the money today on this massive of a project at todays costs, we will be saving close to a quarter trillion dollars by the end of a five year period.

This year alone is going to cost the fed $36,000,000,000! Spend THAT money now to begin deportation and construction with U.S. labor. They show up at a jail, deport, hospital, deport. At least those wages will be taxable and also be kept in our market of being sent off to some other country to help out granny.

â??Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he is.â?�

About 10% of Mexico's total population is in the U.S. illegally.....let them go home and do some fishing! They've been taught how to fish being here illegal learning the system.

[xblackdogx]

^^ yea i understand...
i was directing my question portion to gumby...
it was clear in my mind, but not descriptive in my post :p

i meant it was a good idea gumby,
but where would the money come from ?

[Psycho4Bud]

^^ yea i understand...
i was directing my question portion to gumby...
it was clear in my mind, but not descriptive in my post :p

i meant it was a good idea gumby,
but where would the money come from ?

I've been asking the same thing over and over......:rolleyes:

[Psycho4Bud]

One LAST time attempt here:

You have a neighboy...dog is shitting in your backyard and you notice the neighboy himself in your kitchen stealing food from your fridge. You mention it to the neighbor and he laughs and does it again, and again. :mad:

My thinking is that I fence my backyard from having dog shit all over and put better locks on my doors and windows to keep the neighbor out. I suppose I could just shoot the both of em' but I'm a peaceful man!:D

Gumby wants me to believe that he would use fence money and lock money to fertilize his neighbors yard so it will be more appealing for the dog to shit in and also load the neighbors fridge so he don't steal any more food.:rolleyes:

[Psycho4Bud]

Thousands in Mexico back 'A Day Without Gringos'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/05/02/MNG6VIIQL01.DTL

LOL...I don't think I want my tax dollars used to rebuild their infrustructure. Make it a decade without gringos!

[Gumby]

One LAST time attempt here:

You have a neighboy...dog is shitting in your backyard and you notice the neighboy himself in your kitchen stealing food from your fridge. You mention it to the neighbor and he laughs and does it again, and again. :mad:
the enforcement you and I both agree is needed... understand I want them gone too... please get that... I want them out of here faster than you... just cause it's a different way, and a nicer way, doesn't mean I don't want them out fast

My thinking is that I fence my backyard from having dog shit all over and put better locks on my doors and windows to keep the neighbor out. I suppose I could just shoot the both of em' but I'm a peaceful man!:D
Not very nice... and will cost you more money to build a fence, and lock than it would to show your neighbor how to garden and to buy a leash for his fucking dog.

Gumby wants me to believe that he would use fence money and lock money to fertilize his neighbors yard so it will be more appealing for the dog to shit in and also load the neighbors fridge so he don't steal any more food.:rolleyes:

So you could 'teach' him how to support himself so he doesn't keep using you... and to give his dog a place to shit... that way you don't need a fence and the money you save from not building a fence could be used to help your neighbor... then when your neighbor realizes he doesn't need anything from your house and his dog has a place to shit... you are happy cause he's not coming over, and he is happy cause he has a good life... the same money is spent

why can you get that the same money that would be needed for a fence and lock could be used to help grow your neighbors lawn and buy him food, but yet not realize it's the same thing when we talk about the Wall and Mexico..

the only thing I have said, and am still trying to get across to you is that you will have to spend the same money....

either for a) them being here, something we both do not want, but since I don't want to force them out and lock them out you cannot understand that... b) kick them out and lock them out, your plan or c) give them a reason to go back, my plan...

no matter where you get the money from I can use the same money... it's the same idea... just mines more peaceful yours more ignorant...

But maybe instead of building a fence so the dog doesn't come back and buying a lock for your fridge, why don't you grow some balls and tell them to keep his fucking dog off your yard and get out of your house... it's your fault he's doing it and allowing him to get away with it... and in your analogy you are our government...

the thing I have blammed the immagration problem on this whole time... it was our government who brought them over here and paid them (food in your fridge) and our government who doesn't care if they stay here (shit on your yard)... instead of dealing with the caues and realizing it is because you only have the food in your fridge cause the mexican next door grew it and only have a nice lawn cause the mexicans take care of it... you want to fix the problems of them being here... and lock them out... I want to fix the cause of them being here...

In both of our plans we need to up enforcment... something we agreed on but you ignorantly missed... so either way you're going to tell them to fuck off...

I just think it would be nicer to tell them to leave and help them get out and have their own place to go, fixing the cause for them coming here... rather than tell them to fuck off, build a wall and lock them out... stoping a problem but not addressing the cause...

Daddy's flown across the ocean
Leaving just a memory
A snapshot in the family album
Daddy what else did you leave for me?
Daddy, what d'ya leave behind for me?
All in all it was just a brick in the wall.
All in all it was all just bricks in the wall.

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

I don't need no arms around me
And I don't need no drugs to calm me.
I have seen the writing on the wall.
Don't think I need anything at all.
No! Don't think I'll need anything at all.
All in all it was all just bricks in the wall.
All in all you were all just bricks in the wall.

[andruejaysin]

I'm being nice to the U.S. taxpayer who is sick and tired of supporting these illegals. Tell ya what Mr. Peaceful...next time some illegal Mexican lady has a baby, YOU can be kind enough to fork over the $3,000 for the expense and leave the rest of us ignorant tax payers out of it!:thumbsup:Or we give them a green card so they can start paying taxes and buy insurance. Makes more sense than spending a zillion bucks building a fence they'll just climb anyway.

[Gumby]

he doesn't understand that is the same money...

why spend money on them here when you can spend money on a wall and kick them the fuck out... I'm guessing his answer will fall somewhere along those lines..

[Psycho4Bud]

Or we give them a green card so they can start paying taxes and buy insurance. Makes more sense than spending a zillion bucks building a fence they'll just climb anyway.

I have nothing against the green card system...problem is when their time expires they don't leave.

[andruejaysin]

I have nothing against the green card system...problem is when their time expires they don't leave.
Would you?

[skaisdead]

I dont have a problem with any man, woman, or child that comes to this country legally, learns the language, and is loyal to America. Does anyone not agree wtih me?

It's not that we don't want these people in our country, we dont want them taking over our country. They could at least make an attempt to learn how to communicate with us, instead of coming into our homes and places of business expecting us to learn to speak to them.

I don't discriminate against anyone for the color of their skin, or where they are from. I discriminate against lazy ass, law breaking, violent, thieving, job stealers who think its their right to come here illegally and do whatever the hell they please.

[Psycho4Bud]

Or we give them a green card so they can start paying taxes and buy insurance. Makes more sense than spending a zillion bucks building a fence they'll just climb anyway.


I have nothing against the green card system...problem is when their time expires they don't leave.


Would you?

So you want to issue green cards, get some tax, and for all their hard work let them stay? WTF? That sounds like current policy...:rolleyes:

[Psycho4Bud]

I dont have a problem with any man, woman, or child that comes to this country legally, learns the language, and is loyal to America. Does anyone not agree wtih me?

It's not that we don't want these people in our country, we dont want them taking over our country. They could at least make an attempt to learn how to communicate with us, instead of coming into our homes and places of business expecting us to learn to speak to them.

I don't discriminate against anyone for the color of their skin, or where they are from. I discriminate against lazy ass, law breaking, violent, thieving, job stealers who think its their right to come here illegally and do whatever the hell they please.

DAMN....WELCOME TO THE POLITICS ROOM!!! Your a site for sore eyes in here!:thumbsup:


Have a good one!:thumbsup: