CLONING CAUSE DROP IN POTENCY / YIELD?

[ToKnoIsToGro]

Is it true that the more times cloning is done, potency and yield are adversely effected? My friend wants to clone this plant, but it is not ready to be cloned just yet.

[locomark]

Well,

My guess is you have never been to Amsterdam? Millions of $$$/euros being made yearly off cloned plants sold in over 300 legal coffee shops. If potency was being effected they wouldn't be making that kind of bank.

If you want the TRUTH don't get it second hand through the grapevine. Just ask at www.CANNABIS.com someone will give it to you straight no chaser.

Loco

[ToKnoIsToGro]

Perhaps i should rephrase myself. I believe the meaning of the statement is that the more times a clone is cloned, then cloned, and cloned again, and again,....

Rather than a mother giving off several. Of which i am aware is the case. No i have never been, but i have indeed heard of Amsterdam, Netherlands AKA Holland, AKA land of the Dutch, drug&sex Cap. of the world.

So reconsider the revised stmt.

[BlueDragonSmoke]

Over a long period of cloning maybe but my buddy has had a plant for 4 years now no problems . He takes 6 clones from the best plant he has, flowers all except the 6 clones , vegges them , takes 6 clones off the best plant again , flowers all 6 , and vegges the 6 clones again. been doing this for 4 years and NO problems at all so far....peace

[britewire]

Well,

My guess is you have never been to Amsterdam? Millions of $$$/euros being made yearly off cloned plants sold in over 300 legal coffee shops. If potency was being effected they wouldn't be making that kind of bank.

If you want the TRUTH don't get it second hand through the grapevine. Just ask at www.CANNABIS.com someone will give it to you straight no chaser.

Loco

Let me clearify a few things. It's not only amsterdam(city), it's the Netherlands(country) in generall. They don't sell clones or growing sulply's in coffeeshops, but in growshops.

Plants from seed always have a better yield than from clone. But it's never far off. There's an differance of about 20% in yield. The advantages of clones are they're easy to use and fast too grow.

[Kush Over]

..The advantages of clones are they're easy to use and fast too grow..

And you already know the plant's gender when you get it.

[busteruk7]

no it isent true ToKnoIsToGro
you can clone a clone as many times as you want without it affecting potency
cheers all :)

[britewire]

no it isent true ToKnoIsToGro
you can clone a clone as many times as you want without it affecting potency
cheers all :)

Yeah, but a plant from seeds will always yield more than a clone.

[busteruk7]

Yeah, but a plant from seeds will always yield more than a clone.
yeah true enuff
cheers all :)

[justaseed]

Yeah, but a plant from seeds will always yield more than a clone.

TOTALLY WRONG!!!! clones get better as time goes on. the plant is more mature and can yeild more, higher potency buds. the longer you grow you will learn this from experience.

[The Grim Reefer]

Oh god.. so confused.

3 people saying 3 different things.

Interesting thread ;)

[britewire]

We agree too disagree?

[justaseed]

i have noticed on these forums that newer growers that don't really know what they are talking about seem to like to post misleading information. i am not talking about anyone in particular now just a generalization. people just need to be careful not to post misinformation as this could be very detrimental to people looking for correct answers to there questions. we must remember that newbies will tend to take all our answers as fact without question. bottom line.... don't answer a question that you are not 100% sure of the answer from your own experience. there are enough people on these forum that someone will have some experience with almost everything to do with growing. i know everyone is just trying to help but we must be careful of what we post. i have misread posts and answered incorrectly myself, but i will always happily be corrected if that is the case. nobaody can be right all the time, we are all still learning as well. that's why i say don't answer unless you are completely sure on the info you will be posting.

[britewire]

I sure you're wrong :D

[Jdog7000]

The main thing about old clones is the wierd leaf tweeks and twisted inperfections. After a few years they start to get a leaf here or there that is messed up looking. But the buds are good.Once you see these inperfections you need a new mom.

[britewire]

But you do agree that motherplants always yeild more?

[justaseed]

no, clones are more mature hence yeild more, higher quality bud. it is a simple fact. ask around and almost everyone will say the same. think about it for your own grows. don't the yeilds and quality get better every grow? i always got better yeilds and better quality bud from clones than i did from the original seed plant.

[britewire]

Hahaha...

Sorry but now I have my doubt about your growing experiance and quality's

[justaseed]

oh really, i got anywhere from 12-14 oz from my 400hps grow. how much do you get? you can ask around this forum if you don't think i know how to grow!

[justaseed]

and here is a link to my old scrog thread.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=52326
this illistrates the kind of experience i have. i am no expert but i know what i'm doing! just because you don't agree with me you are gonna start saying i don't know what i'm doing! the funny thing is you are not even right. ask around and people will tell you quality and yeild increase with maturity. how can a seed plant that was "born" say, 4 weeks ago even hope to compete with a clone that was taken the time as the seed plant sprouted from a 6 month old mother. the seed plant would probably just be showing sex(maybe) and the nodes probably would not even be alternating yet so if put to 12/12 you would get a good yeild but not what you would get from the clone that would be much bigger and have had it's nodes alternating since it rooted hence being much more mature and able to produce more, higher quality bud. do you see my point now?

[Jdog7000]

Actually it isn't much of a difference. But if you really want to argue this point.I'm pretty sure seeds yield more. But there are so many variables!
A young seedling needs to veg for about 6 weeks to get full potencial out of the yield. So a mature seed will yield more then a clone. But clones will finish faster then the same strain grown from a clone.

[justaseed]

i always yeilded more with clones. every single time without fail. seed scrogs 10-12oz / clone scrogs 12-14oz

[britewire]

And I always yielded more with seed... where does does leave us?

Let's agree too disagree

[latewood]

Clones yield is directly proportional to how it is grown...
How much light?..what nutes?..How much nutes?..etc...etc.

I have grown a clone to almost 3/4lb...so what. I grow a bunch and get 1/2oz per...

you guys are arguing about different things really...

Britewire says he always yields more from seed...I am sure he does.

clones do take on the age of it's mother...So, Potency/Potential for faster production of trichomes is strongly present... but, yield? It is all in how you grow.

I can tell you this is what I have experienced...I personally can flat out produce alot more from clones than seed in a period of months due to my ability to have perpetual grow...
Again, that is how I am set-up...

Another grower might have a germination factory going, but has to weed out males, and all that...Just the same, if set-up correctly both concepts can mass produce...

Everyone is different and most all grow differently... probably were taught differently...In most cases everyone is right!

As far as misinformation here...I think that information got tangled up in different growing idiology's, and personal feelings, although that wasn't anyone's intent.

It just turned into My dad can beat up Your dad.

The best part is...With all the debate; No-one cussed anyone out. See ya'll later, "I gotta go" tend the gardens. lw

[latewood]

PS good argument though!

[britewire]

Let's do a test.

I'm preparing a Jock Horror in Scrogg right now. One of the seedlings I'll grow and make a motherplant out of it and after this grow I'll take some clones from the mother and use those clones in the exact same setup.

We'll see what does best.

[Kush Over]

Don't let an argument interfere with the pursuit of knowledge and transcendence.

[The Grim Reefer]

Don't let an argument interfere with the pursuit of knowledge and transcendence.

It hasn't yet, one thing that differs from the growing forum and the lounge (not the growers lounge which I love <3) is that we here have the ability to have an argument without the entanglement of resorting to a dick measuring contest.

This is why, I love the C.com growing forums.

I love you all.. and no, I'm not high.

Not yet.

*sparks spliff up*

[britewire]

oh really, i got anywhere from 12-14 oz from my 400hps grow. how much do you get? you can ask around this forum if you don't think i know how to grow!

This grow I won't do shit because of a new strain with some unexpected length problems (VEG was too short) But I did hit the 1gr/Watt several times doing scrogg.

[justaseed]

This grow I won't do shit because of a new strain with some unexpected length problems (VEG was too short) But I did hit the 1gr/Watt several times doing scrogg.

excellent! looks like we both know what we're doing.

when i am finished going to court for my possession charges i will start up a grow again. the 1st will be a seed scrogg obviously and then clones from the motherplant for the following grows. it will be interesting to see if i get the same results as before. we must keep in touch to compare our results.

btw, i don't consider this an arguement as much as a debate. and this is how we all learn new things and increase our knowledge of growing. the internet allows us to learn from others experiences as well as our own. growers 20 years ago would shit there pants if they could see the resources we have available today due to the internet. no hard feelings i hope brite! i actually defended you a few months back if you remember here is the thread: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=621353#post621353

if the results of our upcoming "experiments" prove me wrong then so be it. i don't have alot of time right now but when i get outta work i have a few good thoughts on this subject that i will post.

[britewire]

No hard feelings at all! We're all here to learn from each others techniques and thoughts about growing, arn't we? If we all had the same thoughts about it nobody would ever discover something new, so this is a good thing.

I'm germinating 20 Jock Horror seeds at the moment and they're for a scrogg aswell.. I'll keep you updated in de "Jock Horror in SCROG" thread.

[latewood]

Let's do a test.

I'm preparing a Jock Horror in Scrogg right now. One of the seedlings I'll grow and make a motherplant out of it and after this grow I'll take some clones from the mother and use those clones in the exact same setup.

We'll see what does best.I can't wait to see it...
Now that will be proof! I love it. where's GK and turtle with all this love flowing?

[justaseed]

i was doing alot of thinking on this subject at work today. i came up with this:
"seed plants" tend not to get as bushy as clones of the same plant in my experience. i am going to assume that is why i never got the yeilds with seed plants as i did with clone scrogs. even with alot of topping and lst in veg the seed plants would never have as many growth tips as the clones would, causing the screen to not be as evenly filled with seed scroggs although the "main branches" on the seed plants seemed to get fatter/fuller. this being the case, i would usually get about 10-12 oz of mostly medium sized buds with a few larger ones from seed scroggs. on the other hand, from clone scroggs i would usually get 12-14oz of mostly small buds with some medium size buds. i don't care at all about the size of the buds. i just care about quantity and quality so the 12-14 oz of small buds is my 1st choice.
now that i rambled on a little i am going to ad to our original question for debate:
will a seed plant of "exactly the same size" as a clone yeild more?

[Jdog7000]

I've been told several times by many differant ppl that Seeds yield more.

[Stickyplant]

It just turned into My dad can beat up Your dad.



That is the funniest thing I have read in days...lol:D

[latewood]

It hasn't yet, one thing that differs from the growing forum and the lounge (not the growers lounge which I love <3) is that we here have the ability to have an argument without the entanglement of resorting to a dick measuring contest.

This is why, I love the C.com growing forums.

I love you all.. and no, I'm not high.

Not yet.

*sparks spliff up*remember, some of our members don't have "dicks" to measure...LOL

[latewood]

Is it true that the more times cloning is done, potency and yield are adversely effected? My friend wants to clone this plant, but it is not ready to be cloned just yet.I would like to answer this one post...even though we went well beyond it, I have a short answer...I think.

When cloning from MUM...jr takes on age of mother...
you must keep MUM in at least a 5 gallon bucket and she will provide well yielding, potent clones for at least a year...then yield and potency could degrade.

Just cloning and growing should not effect yield and since the clone takes on the age of the MUM...the potency can be elevated somewhat...

If you want to keep clone longer than a year...several have...You should keep it in a soilless medium transplanted to a 10 gallon pot for the duration.

One final note. you must increase size of pot, for each month you are going to grow plant. I.E. a regular 4 month grow can be done in a 3-5 gallon pot...after transplanting from 1 gallon...

MUMs you plan on keeping over a prolonged period of time.
5-10 gallon pots are necessary...
5 gallon works for MUMs kept for a year, because the smaller pot/tub keeps MUM under control, from getting TOO bushy. Imho. lw

Not so short...Oh well, lw