may day

[Bong30]

BOYCOTT... all stores and companys closed on monday. Then on monday go out and shop like normal and support the stores that are open.

International Workers' Day
International Workers' Day (a name used interchangably with May Day) is the commemoration of the Haymarket Riot of 1886 in Chicago, Illinois, and a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the international labor movement. The 1 May date is used because in 1884 the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions, inspired by labor's 1872 success in Canada, demanded an eight-hour workday in the United States to come in effect as of May 1, 1886. This resulted in a general strike and the riot in Chicago of 1886, but eventually also in the official sanction of the eight-hour workday. The May Day Riots of 1894 and May Day Riots of 1919 occurred subsequently.

Due to these Radical Left overtones, May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist, and anarchist groups. In some circles, bonfires are lit in commemoration of the Haymarket Riot usually right as the first day of May begins. [citation needed] In the 20th century, May Day received the official endorsement of the Soviet Union; celebrations in communist countries during the Cold War era often consisted of large military parades and shows of common people in support of the government.

The Red Scare periods ended May Day as a mass holiday in the United States, a phenomenon which can be seen as somewhat ironic given that May Day originated in Chicago. Meanwhile, in countries other than the United States and United Kingdom, resident working classes fought hard to make May Day an official governmentally-sanctioned holiday, efforts which eventually largely succeeded. For this reason, May Day in most of the world today is marked by huge street rallies of workers led by their massive trade unions and various large socialist and communist parties â?? a phenomenon not generally seen in the U.S. (which has a history of strong anti-communism) or the UK.

In most countries other than the U.S. and UK, May Day is often referred to simply as "Labor Day".


These stupid illegals dont even know what may day was about.

they are breaking all unions, and lowering all wages they are scabs.

They want another riot?..........they are going to polarize us like they have never seen before

[Shelbay]

They are ignorant Bong..heck most do not even speak enough english to understand what medical careto give their children unless critical HOURS are spent translating. There is no way to fix this is there? Not with the ones already here illegally..and now have children that are legal Americans.

[Bong30]

1st no more anchor babies (Jackpot babies)

we need to punish the people that hire said workers.....

if your company is caught with illegals....

1st time warning

2nd time 50k fine per each illegal

3rd time CEO does a year in Jail


They will self deport...cause the wont be able to get a job.

Then all the ones that are left are criminals doing crimes to live, and we will get them.

[Bong30]

does this make sense to anyone else

May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist, and anarchist groups.

can you say..... agenda

[Shelbay]

Well then...who is responsible? Not just Big Companies doing the hiring but our Government needs to step it up...because when employers are forbidden by law to forward SS#'s and names of illegal aliens when they hire to Homeland Security..whats up with that one? Guess it doesn't make sense huh...since we are the only 2 discussing this.

[Bong30]

Well then...who is responsible? Not just Big Companies doing the hiring but our Government needs to step it up...because when employers are forbidden by law to forward SS#'s and names of illegal aliens when they hire to Homeland Security..whats up with that one?

you are right.....we ned to start at the top cleaning house.....

it will sart this november and get to a fever pitch in 08

[Shelbay]

And maybe you and some of your friends should do what they did and still do here in Hoover,Alabama....take reliable,effective pictures when the Company truck pulls up to pick the illegals up for work..and send in to the IRS...they WILL get involved then...they want their money. I have seen this actually done..it worked.

[Bong30]

that is awsome...get them outta here...

maybe i will be able to afford health care

[Shelbay]

I have to go cook darn it...this was interesting Bong. If you would like to talk sometime about people with the same interest off this board...let me know..alot of retired military around here so I listen alot lol. Thanks for chatting with me...

[Bong30]

I have to go cook darn it...this was interesting Bong. If you would like to talk sometime about people with the same interest off this board...let me know..alot of retired military around here so I listen alot lol. Thanks for chatting with me...
Thank you....

[Gumby]

1st no more anchor babies (Jackpot babies)

we need to punish the people that hire said workers.....

if your company is caught with illegals....

1st time warning

2nd time 50k fine per each illegal

3rd time CEO does a year in Jail


They will self deport...cause the wont be able to get a job.

Then all the ones that are left are criminals doing crimes to live, and we will get them.


What should we do with the government then?? They have hired over 40,000 illegals to work after hurricane Katrina. They did the same thing after Opal and Andrew. When they need help rebuilding they call on all the illegals... I like your plan on this one Bong... but since they are up to 40,000 times they have broken the law, lets just put Bush's whole cabnit in jail. All of FEMA and Homeland Security... they'll probably do more in jail than without...

I don't think it is the Mexicans fault... Don't get me wrong they souldn't be here, but if you were offered $100 an hour to pick strawberries in Mexico you don't think our poor would flood over that way? I don't understand how we cannot expect them to do the same. We are a land of huge corporations, which need slaves to create profit. It isn't the guy you see that picks up one or two mexicans to help with yard work, it's the multi million dollar companies who hire thousands of illegals that are the problem.

But hell, drugs are legal in Mexico... maybe they'll go back now


ps. George doesn't want a secure Mexican border because of the drug money that does come across... The DEA will lose millions of dollars a year if that border is secure... it's not just the mexicans who are the problem... it's the whole situation and corrupt government. The Global Empire needs slaves

[Bong30]

Dammit gumby STFU i hate goerge bush on this one STFU bitch


who ever hired 40 k illegals put them in jail....through fucking bush in jail...is that what you wanted me to say.........fuck gumby just say it.

Bush is a limp dick on this got it gumby.

remeber i said first time warining...i would even give a coomie like you a warning he should get one too.

real american will fix this problem while pussies like you just sit there and bitch about the global market bla bla bla

[Gumby]

who's the real americans?? the only people I ever see you come close to defending is Bush and his posse...

I don't want them in office because they hired 40,000 people and then went on tv and say we need comprehensive blah ablah blah...

my answer to the problem is get someone who has a brian in office and can think for himself...not people like you who can't think and when ever anyone says something you don't understand you attack...

I was agreeing with you and you are with me, why are you still attacking me?? I was being sarcastic with throwing them all in jail, if you think I was serious and think it's possible you're dumber than I thought...

stop attacking people who don't agree with you and instead take five minutes to read something and come back and write something worth reading...

It was so much better reading these posts without your shit in them... educate yourself, please... that's all i ask of you...

I was making a point that it's hard to help change something when your government is in strong support agianst it... kinda like gas prices...

Our government wants illegals and high gas prices, that's how they get their money... Big companies pay politicains big money to keep them in office and they can only make that money if they have cheap labor. You think they just didn't notice 20 million new people working?? You think they didn't notice Bid Oil made BILLIONS this quarter?? You don't find it ironic that Bush owned and gets millions from oil each year?? Chenny got millions from his energy companies this year... Rice worked for Chevron for ten years?? It doesn't strike you as ironic that their companies make MILLIONS and MILLIONS a year?? You think it's just cause they are lucky or because they understand what slave labor will do for you...

You said 'they are breaking all unions, and lowering all wages they are scabs.'
I was telling you why... stop attacking me unless you educate yourself and can say something with atleast one fact in what you write ok??

[Bong30]

who's the real americans?? the only people I ever see you come close to defending is Bush and his posse... I dont defend bush I defend america)
I was being sarcastic with throwing them all in jail, if you think I was serious and think it's possible you're dumber than I thought...No i am madder then you thought
.. stop attacking me unless you educate yourself and can say something with atleast one fact in what you write ok??

what was this gumby....fact stfu you didnt say shit about this.... selective answering yes, the same way you just post from articles what fits your objectives. P4B busted you on that.

International Workers' Day
International Workers' Day (a name used interchangably with May Day) is the commemoration of the Haymarket Riot of 1886 in Chicago, Illinois, and a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the international labor movement. The 1 May date is used because in 1884 the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions, inspired by labor's 1872 success in Canada, demanded an eight-hour workday in the United States to come in effect as of May 1, 1886. This resulted in a general strike and the riot in Chicago of 1886, but eventually also in the official sanction of the eight-hour workday. The May Day Riots of 1894 and May Day Riots of 1919 occurred subsequently.

Due to these Radical Left overtones, May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist, and anarchist groups. In some circles, bonfires are lit in commemoration of the Haymarket Riot usually right as the first day of May begins. [citation needed] In the 20th century, May Day received the official endorsement of the Soviet Union; celebrations in communist countries during the Cold War era often consisted of large military parades and shows of common people in support of the government.

The Red Scare periods ended May Day as a mass holiday in the United States, a phenomenon which can be seen as somewhat ironic given that May Day originated in Chicago. Meanwhile, in countries other than the United States and United Kingdom, resident working classes fought hard to make May Day an official governmentally-sanctioned holiday, efforts which eventually largely succeeded. For this reason, May Day in most of the world today is marked by huge street rallies of workers led by their massive trade unions and various large socialist and communist parties â?? a phenomenon not generally seen in the U.S. (which has a history of strong anti-communism) or the UK.

In most countries other than the U.S. and UK, May Day is often referred to simply as "Labor Day".

[Gumby]

I am fully aware of what May Day is... I didn't say anything negative or positve about out... because I left it out doesn't mean I don't know anything about it...I was bringing up the reasons why most of them are here, something you weren't.

But if selective answering is something I'm guilty of, please list the questions you'd like me to answer and I will... but if you could do the same ....

1 - Why is it ok for the president to have warrentless spying??
2 - How can a 110 story building fall in 8.4 seconds??
3 - Why was WTC 7 the first building in history to collapse from fire??
4 - Why did we stop going after Bin Laden??
5 - Why would Karl Rove have to testify 5 times if he wasn't involved??

how's that... list me 5 of what ever the hell you want and I won't dodge anything... just try to answer these for me ok??

[Bong30]

I am fully aware of what May Day is... I didn't say anything negative or positve about out... because I left it out doesn't mean I don't know anything about it...I was bringing up the reasons why most of them are here, something you weren't.

But if selective answering is something I'm guilty of, please list the questions you'd like me to answer and I will... but if you could do the same ....

1 - Why is it ok for the president to have warrentless spying?? its not
2 - How can a 110 story building fall in 8.4 seconds?? gravity
3 - Why was WTC 7 the first building in history to collapse from fire?? pyroplastic flow
4 - Why did we stop going after Bin Laden?? i didnt know that we did
5 - Why would Karl Rove have to testify 5 times if he wasn't involved?? karl rove is a bitch

how's that... list me 5 of what ever the hell you want and I won't dodge anything... just try to answer these for me ok??

done bitch

[Gumby]

thought you would be.... kinda hard to defend yourself when you're an idiot isn't it??

why can't you answer them?? yet can post after everything I write about them?? Where's that million you won?? I'll defend anything I say on here with what I believe and think and will more than happy for you to prove me wrong... but please stop posting after me if you cannot do the same ... you're wasting space...

just answer one of them, can you do that?? give me one thing you hate about what I say... i'll tell you why I think that way, and if you can show me the facts and reasons to believe otherwise I'd be glad to... but you don't... you write shit...

here are your answers
1) - he can't - that's why Nixon was impeached
2) - it can't explosive must have been used, gravity isn't even that fast. gravity has a speed of 9.4 m/s, and if each floor hit the floor below it, it would slow down and cause it to even go slower than a free fall.. that means longer than 8.4 seconds... the only way to achive that is to have a vacume, or have everything under it move out of the way (explosives)
3) - py·ro·clas·tic, is that what you meant, cause that has to do with rock...
What are pyroclastic flows?

"Pyroclastic flows are high-density mixtures of hot, dry rock fragments and hot gases that move away from the vent that erupted them at high speeds. They may result from the explosive eruption of molten or solid rock fragments, or both. They may also result from the nonexplosive eruption of lava when parts of dome or a thick lava flow collapses down a steep slope. Most pyroclastic flows consist of two parts: a basal flow of coarse fragments that moves along the ground, and a turbulent cloud of ash that rises above the basal flow. Ash may fall from this cloud over a wide area downwind from the pyroclastic flow."

However that does explain why the material of WTC 1 and 2 flowed over the water... the only type of matter that will do that and only becaue of the temperature... much higher than any fire could cause, only the middle of the earth and explosives can create heat hot enough to cause pyroclastic flow...

4) - He was trapped and we had the troops to get him, But Rumsfeld said no and that we should go into Iraq, because Bush and Cheeny both said they has WMD's, but they didn't...

5) - then why is he still working for Bush? why is he still incharge of so much in the country?


so before you start defending bush for all his great work and this great country please try to think longer than 30 seconds about the questions... That is what he has based the last 5 years on and you know nothing about it and what you do know... spying and Rove.... you don't care and pretend it's not that important and that he's still the best...

[Bong30]

thought you would be.... kinda hard to defend yourself when you're an idiot isn't it??

why can't you answer them?? yet can post after everything I write about them?? Where's that million you won?? I'll defend anything I say on here with what I believe and think and will more than happy for you to prove me wrong... but please stop posting after me if you cannot do the same ... you're wasting space...

just answer one of them, can you do that?? give me one thing you hate about what I say... i'll tell you why I think that way, and if you can show me the facts and reasons to believe otherwise I'd be glad to... but you don't... you write shit...

here are your answers
1) - he can't - that's why Nixon was impeached
2) - it can't explosive must have been used, gravity isn't even that fast. gravity has a speed of 9.4 m/s, and if each floor hit the floor below it, it would slow down and cause it to even go slower than a free fall.. that means longer than 8.4 seconds... the only way to achive that is to have a vacume, or have everything under it move out of the way (explosives)
3) - py·ro·clas·tic, is that what you meant, cause that has to do with rock...
What are pyroclastic flows?

"Pyroclastic flows are high-density mixtures of hot, dry rock fragments and hot gases that move away from the vent that erupted them at high speeds. They may result from the explosive eruption of molten or solid rock fragments, or both. They may also result from the nonexplosive eruption of lava when parts of dome or a thick lava flow collapses down a steep slope. Most pyroclastic flows consist of two parts: a basal flow of coarse fragments that moves along the ground, and a turbulent cloud of ash that rises above the basal flow. Ash may fall from this cloud over a wide area downwind from the pyroclastic flow."

However that does explain why the material of WTC 1 and 2 flowed over the water... the only type of matter that will do that and only becaue of the temperature... much higher than any fire could cause, only the middle of the earth and explosives can create heat hot enough to cause pyroclastic flow...

4) - He was trapped and we had the troops to get him, But Rumsfeld said no and that we should go into Iraq, because Bush and Cheeny both said they has WMD's, but they didn't...

5) - then why is he still working for Bush? why is he still incharge of so much in the country?


so before you start defending bush for all his great work and this great country please try to think longer than 30 seconds about the questions... That is what he has based the last 5 years on and you know nothing about it and what you do know... spying and Rove.... you don't care and pretend it's not that important and that he's still the best...
i did answer them look gumby look trigger happy

[Bong30]

accel due to gravity is 9.8

not 9.4 you are dumb

when i answered you the first time i said

a version of this...................pyroplastic flow what is concrete? rock?

metal? sounds just as possible as a "PULL"

you left wing coomie think pull

i use logic:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

read what I wrote you douche... I said try to take more than 30 seconds to answer them cause they are wrong or pointless in your cause to defend Bush...

I know you only put two words behind each thing I wrote... but next time try to atleast read what I write...

[Bong30]

you just keep saying the same shit

you dont like the answer i give so you say i dont answer

i do read your emotional babble

[Gumby]

sorry i missed it by .4... but 9.8 still isn't fast enough to drop the building... so go ahead and tell me why gravity is right again??

pyroclastic - isn't a word... that was your whole answer..

who's trigger happy??

just like i said stop posting shit.. I'm not the only one who wants you to stop... the idea isn't to post as many stupid threads as you can just so you can do it fast... it's to read and respond with something educated...

[Gumby]

no you didn't answer...

the ones you tried to answer were wrong and I pointed out why... you cannot defend them, that doesn't mean I don't agree that means you're an idiot... and the ones you did answer, you don't think about... you still defend Bush, yet said he spied... that's not an answer, that's oximoronic...

[Bong30]

I have to go cook darn it...this was interesting Bong. If you would like to talk sometime about people with the same interest off this board...let me know..alot of retired military around here so I listen alot lol. Thanks for chatting with me...
maybe you are gumby

when P4b tells me to chill i will till then

i will continue to put my point of view out in the world just like you can.


put me on ignore gumby... the real pussy move

like i care what
GS, gumby, pisshead, black dog, think about me (if you hate me and i missed you sorry)

[Psycho4Bud]

when P4b tells me to chill i will till then

LOL....don't count on me telling ANYONE in the politics section to chill unless some racial shit goes on. Now back to your corners and come out for a clean/or not/ fight........NOW LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!:dance:

By the way, how are you people calculating the speed of gravity? Fact is, gravity works on a mass at a rate of 32.2ft/sec/sec and from there the only thing to take into consideration of a free falling object is the floatability (for lack of a better word). Kind of like comparing dropping a bowling ball as opposed to a feather or piece of paper. Or in the case of a falling building it may have resistance on the fall do to the building itself.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

we aren't attacking you what don't you get about that?? I understand you may be a douche bag, but I don't give a shit if you want to be one or not...

what we are trying to tell you that you cannot seem to get through your fucking skull is that you talk like a 8 year old.... you bring nothing to the discussions and the points you make are hypocratical, oximoronic or just plain stupid... it's that fact that we have to try to read through you shit to realize they are pointless that we are pissed about... it's the fact that you cannot form a personal thought and that you google for defitions of words to post after everything we write... it's the fact that you put shit in every thread...

how many people do you need to tell you your posts are worthless before you listen to them... yes there is one person who was talking to you, but it is nothing that cannot be posted in 3 posts, not 23... that's all we're trying to say.. you're lack of education and abilty to express it in every post is what pisses us off... not that you're an idiot but the fact that you ignore it

[Bong30]

nope just you attacking me

[Gumby]

LOL....don't count on me telling ANYONE in the politics section to chill unless some racial shit goes one. Now back to your corners and come out for a clean/or not/ fight........NOW LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!:dance:

By the way, how are you people calculating the speed of gravity? Fact is, gravity works on a mass at a rate of 32.2ft/sec/sec and from there the only thing to take into consideration of a free falling object is the floatability (for lack of a better word). Kind of like comparing dropping a bowling ball as opposed to a feather or piece of paper. Or in the case of a falling building it may have resistance on the fall do to the building itself.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:


earth's gravity is 9.8 m/s... it's how you can figure out how much something wieghs on earth... the pull of any object on earth is 9.8 m/s (there are changes in altitude and what not, but the standard is 9.8) so when you drop anything, no matter what it travels at 9.8 m/s... feathers and bowling balls only fall at different rates because of the resistance caused by air, or floatability.


"The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies, which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=9%2F11

they explian it better than i could... minute 113 - the fall of WTC 7 and the gravity needed... but watch the whole thing... as scientific as you need... I'm not here to prove I'm right... I'm here to explain what I believe and what lead me to believe it... if you can watch this and not believe what I do please explian to me why... that's all I'm asking...

[Bong30]

LOL....don't count on me telling ANYONE in the politics section to chill unless some racial shit goes on. Now back to your corners and come out for a clean/or not/ fight........NOW LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!:dance:

By the way, how are you people calculating the speed of gravity? Fact is, gravity works on a mass at a rate of 32.2ft/sec/sec and from there the only thing to take into consideration of a free falling object is the floatability (for lack of a better word). Kind of like comparing dropping a bowling ball as opposed to a feather or piece of paper. Or in the case of a falling building it may have resistance on the fall do to the building itself.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:
you are right p4b

but i was talking about, and gumby was tring to talk about
acceleration due to gravity (g)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The acceleration that an object experiences because of gravity when it falls freely close to the surface of a massive body, such as a planet. Also known as the acceleration of free fall, its value can be calculated from the formula


g = GM / (R + h)2


where M is the mass of the gravitating body (such as the Earth), R is the radius of the body, h is the height above the surface, and G is the gravitational constant (= 6.6742 � 10-11 N·m2/kg2). If the falling object is at, or very nearly at, the surface of the gravitating body, then the above equation reduces to


g = GM / R2
In the case of the Earth, g comes out to be approximately 9.8 m/s2, though the exact value depends on location because of two main factors: the Earth's rotation and the Earth's equatorial bulge. The downward force of gravity is opposed by an outward centrifugal force due to the planet's rotation, which is greater at the equator than at a higher latitudes. (The centrifugal force is "fictitious" in the sense that the real force caused by rotation is the centripetal force; however, it is a convenient fiction for the sake of calculations.) By itself, this effect would result in a range of values of g from 9.789 m/s2 at the equator to 9.823 m/s2 at the poles. This discrepancy is further accentuated because of the Earth's equatorial bulge, which causes objects at lower latitudes to be further from the planet's center than objects nearer the poles and hence subject to a slightly weaker gravitational pull. Overall these two effects result in a variation of 0.052 m/s2 in the value of g, which leads to a variation in the weight of an object by about 0.5% depending on whether it is weighed at the equator or at one of the poles. Taking an average over the whole surface of the Earth, physicists have arrived at a standard value for g of 9.80665 m/s2. On other planets and moons the values of the acceleration due to gravity may be very different, resulting in different weights for the same object on these various worlds.

[Bong30]

i was talking acceleration due to gravity

[Gumby]

now that you know gravity, please explain how the buildings fell faster than gravity??

and pyroplasitc flow isn't it... it isn't a word... and if you meant pyroclastic, try again, would only work it they blew up...

[Gumby]

no, 9.8 is earth gravity, not the accleration of gravity... there is a big difference... but none the less... go ahead with the timing and the amount of time needed for a piece of steel to drop 110 stories, much less the time needed with 109 stories of steel underneath it...

[Bong30]

they didnt.......... you just twist the facts to fit you commie objectives

YOU DONT FUCK WITH PHYSICS BOY.... not even gw

my thoghts on the pyroplastic flow (sp) <is that better for you dick head) i wll never correct your spelling cause it is a pussy cock move got it gumby)

my thoughts are... when the planes hit the buildings the exo skeleton of the building was damaged then some fire and time AHHH time. yes it took a little while for physics to happen.

Faster than gravity...uhh no but once the top floors drooped onto the bottom floors the Force (F=ma)
force that the top of the building hit the bottom part of building is way to much to hold. so the bottom let loose easy

building 7 when the debris from the building fell there is this thing called friction, and when all that rock and metal was falling it was getting hotIE my version of pyroplastic flow).... it hit the bottom of the building and caused structural damage, and after time and fire it fell

easy............

[Bong30]

no, 9.8 is earth gravity, not the accleration of gravity... there is a big difference... but none the less... go ahead with the timing and the amount of time needed for a piece of steel to drop 110 stories, much less the time needed with 109 stories of steel underneath it...
it will be hard for you gumby... your as dumb as a stick when it come to math

Acceleration DUE (dumbass) to gravity read my above post numbskull

[Gumby]

i post 5 hours of professional lectures proving what I say and you post this and expect me to believe you?? I think I'd rather take the professors telling me what happened... here's a two hour lecture about it... not a 2 minute response... watch it and then come back here and explain your theory one more time... next time just try to make sense...

http://filmstripinternational.com/filmstrips.php?filmstrip=jones2

[Breukelen advocaat]

I'm not educated in architecture, or engineering, at all - but I met someone on a NYC subway on 9/11 that was. He predicted the rapid collapse of both WTC towers - because he knew that they were built to have that reaction in an exteme case of damage to their structural integrity.

This is about the 200th time I've written this. I'd believe a professional architect that was near the scene in of the crime, in NYC on 9/11, over amatuers, burn-outs, paranoids, and people with agendas.

As for building 7, I have no idea about that. It was probably destroyed deliberately because it was deemed dangerously unstabe by experts on the scene.

[Bong30]

I'm not educated in architecture, or engineering, at all - but I met someone on a NYC subway on 9/11 that was. He predicted the rapid collapse of both WTC towers - because he knew that they were built to have that reaction in an exteme case of damage to their structural integrity.

This is about the 200th time I've written this. I'd believe a professional architect that was near the scene in of the crime, in NYC on 9/11, over amatuers, burn-outs, paranoids, and people with agendas.

As for building 7, I have no idea about that. It was probably destroyed deliberately because it was dangerously unstabe.
Thank you thank you thank you.....

[Gumby]

they didnt.......... you just twist the facts to fit you commie objectives

YOU DONT FUCK WITH PHYSICS BOY.... not even gw

I didn't change anything... you can look it all up, the collapase and time leading up to and after are all caught on many videos... please watch the ones I've posted..



my thoghts on the pyroplastic flow (sp) <is that better for you dick head) i wll never correct your spelling cause it is a pussy cock move got it gumby)

my thoughts are... when the planes hit the buildings the exo skeleton of the building was damaged then some fire and time AHHH time. yes it took a little while for physics to happen.


The problem with your thoughts... the building was made like a screen, it was able to take hole in the exoskeleton.. up to 4 or 5 jumbo jets... it was designed to withstand the impact...

"Frank A. DeMartini, Manager, WTC Construction and Project Management, discusses the fact that the WTC towers were designed to take multiple hits from airliners and not collapse, comparing it to poking a pencil through fly netting, DeMartini was adament that the towers would not collapse. DeMartini died in the towers on 9/11, this interview clip was taken from video shot in January 2001."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/141104designedtotake.htm

and fire doesn't melt steel... specially after and hour of burning... That physics....

"We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104easilywithstood.htm



Faster than gravity...uhh no but once the top floors drooped onto the bottom floors the Force (F=ma)
force that the top of the building hit the bottom part of building is way to much to hold. so the bottom let loose easy

That's just stupid... I don't need to source anything to prove how dumb that is.... you don't think it takes longer than 9 seconds for 90 floors to fall one at a time until the reach the last one?? that's 10 storys a second... go look at a ten story building and honestly think it can fall flat in one second... a three story house can't even do that... much less a 90 story building...




building 7 when the debris from the building fell there is this thing called friction, and when all that rock and metal was falling it was getting hotIE my version of pyroplastic flow).... it hit the bottom of the building and caused structural damage, and after time and fire it fell

easy............

Because you think pyroclastic flow is something it isn't doesn't mean it's right, it means you're wrong... "Photos taken moments before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors." Two floors on fire to drop a 70 story building... it would have to be the first ever... and even before the other buildings next to it that were damaged much more than WTC7 was... building 7 is a joke... if you think debris that caused two floors to catch fire caused the building to collapse on itself is the reason, then please tell me how a bomb can be placed under the Oklahoma City building, or even the WTC before this attack and not completly fall?? You've seen oklahoma right? half the building is gone, blown up, but the other half... still standing... cause fire doesn't cause them to fall.... that's why they use steel and concreate...

but next time please do try... and let me know when you get that million dollars ok... you're fucking pathetic Bong and I'm glad I have good weed and can tollerate posting this shit for you... I just wish you'd take 5 minutes to look at it rather than come attack me for some other stupid thing...

http://www.reopen911.org/Contest.htm <---- incase you forgot where to get that million... please let me know that they think of your pyroplastic bullshit...

[Bong30]

you are qouting prison planet................hahahahahahhahahahahaha

[Gumby]

I'm not educated in architecture, or engineering, at all - but I met someone on a NYC subway on 9/11 that was. He predicted the rapid collapse of both WTC towers - because he knew that they were built to have that reaction in an exteme case of damage to their structural integrity.

This is about the 200th time I've written this. I'd believe a professional architect that was near the scene in of the crime, in NYC on 9/11, over amatuers, burn-outs, paranoids, and people with agendas.

As for building 7, I have no idea about that. It was probably destroyed deliberately because it was deemed dangerously unstabe by experts on the scene.


Don't believe me... believe the guy who built it - "Frank A. DeMartini, Manager, WTC Construction and Project Management, discusses the fact that the WTC towers were designed to take multiple hits from airliners and not collapse, comparing it to poking a pencil through fly netting, DeMartini was adament that the towers would not collapse. DeMartini died in the towers on 9/11, this interview clip was taken from video shot in January 2001."

A BYU Professor - "...glaring weaknesses in the [US Gov't] 'final' reports ...The â??explosive demolitionâ?� hypothesis better satisfies tests."

Sixty out of sixty academics agree a new investigation is needed...
â?� â??Prof. Steven E. Jones


Someone who was there at the time - http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm

This article from Chief Engineer magazine presents eyewitness account of the moments after the first plane crash, and describes evidence of large explosions in the lobby, parking garage and subbasement levels of WTC-1 at the time of the crash
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/281104undergroundexplosions.htm

someone who taped the entire day....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=9%2F11

The highjackers... cause they are still alive...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#hijackersalive

The group of people looking over the computers found in the wreckage...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/german_firm_probes_final_world_trade_center_deals. htm
Or was it coincidence that unusually large sums of money, perhaps more than $100 million, were rushed through the computers as the disaster unfolded?

[Gumby]

you are qouting prison planet................hahahahahahhahahahahaha


No I'm not... I used it to find sources... there is a difference... just caues the links are from Prison Planet doesn't mean the information is from Alex Jones... and if that's your only defense... i'll take it...

what about that million $$ Bong... you never bring that up... why not??

once again, what don't you understand about pointless posts?? that's a fucking joke compared to how I disproved you... better luck next time...

[Bong30]

when i see you use alex jones i just laugh its called agenda... he has one so do you.

lets just use the wikipidia.... no more alex and i wont think you are a joke.

what $$ gumby.... whats your net worth... the .55 cents in your pocket and the car your parents bought you.

please..... if you even know your credit score, ill fall over


you disproved me in your eyes, i still think what i do....

[Bong30]

April 28, 2006, 12:05PM
IMMIGRATION DEBATE
La raza not united on border
One Hispanic Minuteman says it's matter of law, not a race issue


By CYNTHIA LEONOR GARZA
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Al Garza says he's proud of his Latino heritage, his race. La raza, he calls it, shifting easily from English to Spanish.

But he said he's not about to join the protesters who have taken to the streets of Houston and other cities in recent weeks in demand of amnesty for illegal immigrants.

"Personally, I'm very disappointed in our own raza at what they're doing," said Garza, a Texas native who wants to end the flow of illegal immigration across the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Just because I'm Hispanic doesn't mean I'm going to allow complete strangers trampling over property, vandalizing people's homes and ranches," he said.

Garza, former Texas president of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and now the group's second-in-command, is one of the nation's most prominent Hispanic anti-immigration activists.

Ten percent of the Minutemen's 8,000 members are Hispanic, he said.

"This has nothing to do with race," said Garza, who was born in Raymondville in South Texas. "Anyone that has any racial agenda is not wanted in our group."

What matters, Garza says, is enforcing the law and getting control of the border. His view of illegal immigrants, some experts say, underscores long-held differences between American-born Latinos and foreign-born newcomers.

"There is a major divide between the immigrant community and the native community," said Guadalupe San Miguel Jr., a history professor at the University of Houston. "From the very beginning you see these differences, but over the years our differences have been maintained."

Indeed, some polls show that American-born Hispanics are more critical of immigrants than newcomers.

While the foreign-born are nearly unanimous in their belief that immigrants strengthen the U.S. with their talents and work ethic, native-born Hispanics are more divided.

Sixty-five percent say immigrants are a plus, but 28 percent say they are a burden, according to a 2005 study by the Pew Hispanic Center, a research group in Washington, D.C.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/3825969.html

[xblackdogx]

^^ yawn... who gives a shit
illegal immigration is the issue used to
draw focus away from the incompetencies of this administration

and it is effective: look how many threads pop up about this "problem"
that we don't actually face and then the issues on iraq and GW are washed upon the shore until it's too late

[Bong30]

^^ yawn... who gives a shit

you could make a career of being wrong



Zogby Poll of California Voters on Immigration:

â?¢ 62% say immigration makes education reform more difficult;
â?¢ 67% oppose driver's licenses for illegal immigrants;
â?¢ 72% oppose giving reduced tuition for illegal immigrants;
â?¢ 83% of immigrant citizens say jobs to foreigners only if no Americans available;
â?¢ 65% of black Americans favor a moratorium on legal immigration.



A majority of registered voters throughout the state of California believes continued immigration makes the possibility of reform of the stateÃ*s education system much more difficult, a new poll by Zogby International reveals.
The poll, conducted between February 26 and March 2, 2001 of 802 registered California voters, was commissioned by the Oakland, Calif.-based Diversity Alliance For a Sustainable America. The poll has a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.6%.

State education reform?
A majority (62%) believes that continued immigration makes state education reform more difficult, compared to 32% who say it would have no impact on reform. Another 7% are unsure.

Most ethnic groups believe continued immigration makes state education reform more difficult, including whites (65% more difficult, 31% no impact), Hispanics (66%-27%) and African Americans (67%-28%). Asian Americans, however, disagree with the majority with 54% believing there would be no impact on education reform, compared to 41% who say immigration makes reform more difficult.

Driver's licenses for illegal immigrants?
Another clear majority oppose a proposed state law granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Results show 67% oppose such a law, 29% support the law, with 4% not sure. Respondents were told that state legislators have proposed a law allowing illegal immigrants to apply for driver's licenses and that licenses can be used as one form of identification to apply for welfare benefits.

Whites and Asian Americans had the highest levels of opposition to licenses for illegals, at 70% and 64%, respectively, with African Americans (63%) and Hispanics (54%) also disapproving.

Reduced Tuition for Illegal Immigrants?
Overall, nearly three-quarters of respondents oppose a law giving illegal immigrants reduced tuition to state colleges and universities.

Whites (78%) and Asian Americans (65%) oppose such a law, as do Hispanics (55%) and African Americans (51%).


American vs. Foreign workers?
A clear majority agrees that employers should be required to certify that there are no American workers available for a job before an employer imports workers from overseas. Results show 68% agree, 27% disagree and 5% are unsure. Immigrants who have acquired U.S. citizenship are more in agreement (83% agree, 12% disagree) than those born a U.S. citizen (68% agree, 27% disagree).

Moratorium on legal immigration?
Results show that 43% of those surveyed believe a three-year moratorium, or authorized suspension of legal immigration, would be beneficial to the state, compared to 40% who say such a suspension will be harmful to the state. Another 16% are not sure.

African Americans (65% beneficial, 24% harmful) support such a moratorium in much higher percentages than whites (44% beneficial, 38% harmful) and Hispanics (34% beneficial, 56% harmful).

Slight differences in opinion are seen between U.S.-born citizens (44% beneficial, 40% harmful) and immigrants who have since acquired U.S. citizenship (40% beneficial, 46% harmful). At the same time, men and women are split with men generally opposing such an action (39% beneficial, 46% harmful) and women supporting such an action (47% beneficial, 35% harmful).






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Polling Details

10. The California Department of Education recently reported that one in four schoolchildren in the state's schools cannot speak English well enough to understand what goes on in the classroom. Knowing this, will continued immigration make it more difficult for education reform to succeed or will it have no effect?

Table 4. Effect on Education Reform

Overall % Bay % LA/SD % Other %
More difficult 62 51 58 69
No effect 32 40 35 25
Not sure 7 9 7 6


Twice as many California voters (62%) say education reform will be more difficult than those who say it will have no effect (32%).

More respondents from other areas of California (69%), than respondents from the Bay area (51%), Los Angeles or San Diego (58%), say they think continued immigration will make education reform more difficult.

More respondents older than 50 (68% average), than respondents 18 to 49 (54% average), believe it will be more difficult for education reform to succeed with continued immigration.


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18. State legislators have proposed a law allowing illegal immigrants to apply for driver's licenses. Knowing that in California, driver's licenses can be used as one form of identification to apply for welfare benefits, do you support or oppose a law granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants?

Oppose 67%
Support 29
Not sure 4


Two-thirds of respondents oppose a law allowing illegal immigrants to apply for a driver's license. More immigrants (71%) than U.S. citizens (67%) oppose such a law.

More Republicans (79%), than Democrats (62%) or Independents (55%) also oppose such a law. Three-quarters of homemakers, compared to 60% of women who work for wages, oppose a law granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

A majority of respondents age 18 to 29 (55%), compared to an average 30% of respondents 30 and older, supports a law granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.


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17. The state legislature proposed a law giving illegal immigrants reduced tuition to state colleges and universities. Do you support of oppose such a law?

Oppose 72%
Support 25
Not sure 3


Older voters are more likely than younger voters to oppose the law. For example, an average of 76% of respondenets 30 and older, compared to 49% of respondents 18-29, say they would oppose a law fiving illegal immigrant reduced tuition.

More Republicans (84%), than Democrats (65%) or Independents (64%), oppose a law giving illegal immigrants reduced tuition to state colleges and universities.


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20. Do you agree or disagree that employers should be required to certify that there are no American workers available for a job before an employer imports workers from overseas?

Agree 68%
Disagree 27
Not sure 5


By more than a two-to-one margin, a large majority (68%) agrees that employers should be required to certify that there are no American workers available for a job before an employer imports workers from overseas.

There is little difference of opinion among sub groups.

Republicans, Democrats and Independents (69% average) all agree that employers should certify there are no American workers available before they import workers.

Surprisingly, more immigrants (83%), than U.S. citizens (68%), agree that employers should certify there are no American workers available before they import workers.


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15. Do you think a three-year moratorium on legal immigration would be beneficial or harmful to Californians?

Beneficial 43%
Harmful 40
Not sure 16


Overall, there was a narrow split among respondents. Forty-three percent believe a three-year moratorium would be beneficial, and 40% believes it would be harmful to Californians.

Republicans (47%), more than Democrats (42%) or Independents (39%), say they think a three-year moratorium on legal immigration would be beneficial to Californians.

Nearly half of immigrants (46%), compared to 40% of U.S. citizens, say a three-year moratorium would be harmful to California. In addition, more men than women (46% to 35%) say the moratorium would be harmful.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Don't believe me... believe the guy who built it - "Frank A. DeMartini, Manager, WTC Construction and Project Management, discusses the fact that the WTC towers were designed to take multiple hits from airliners and not collapse, comparing it to poking a pencil through fly netting, DeMartini was adament that the towers would not collapse. DeMartini died in the towers on 9/11, this interview clip was taken from video shot in January 2001."

De Martini did NOT, I repeat, DID NOT, build the WTC. He did not work there until 1993 - he was a an architect hired as construction manager after the first terroirst attack. He helped rebuild parts of it that were damaged or destroyed by the bombing attack. Unfortunately, he was killed on 9/11.

I believe that DiMartini said that the towers would survive jet crashes - but he was wrong. This is not the first time that you have claimed that De Martini was involved in the construction of the WTC, "believe the guy who built it" - so please read the link below.

All I'm claiming is that I talked to a seasoned professional architect in NYC on 9/11, who predicted exactly what would happen. I believe that other people have a different opinion, but I'll go with mine - and I don't think that any investigation will prove the contrary.

McGrawHillConstruction-DeMartini (http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/analysis/construction_losses.html)
"De Martini had first worked at the twin towers when engineer Leslie E. Robertson Associates hired him to assess damage after the terrorist bomb blast of 1993. He did such a good job that the port authority hired the 49-year-old New Jersey native to do the job as a staff member. He was based in an office on the 88th floor of the north tower. He recently gave a tour of the towers to students from his old high school. "He loved the structure's massiveness and always pointed out that there was a big subgrade complex that was a city of its own," says his wife, Nicole, who is also an architect."

[Gumby]

o.k. so one guy is partialy not reliable... what about the others??

the 9/11 eyewitness was there too... he taped the whole thing... I believe him, much like you put most of your belief in the guy that was there... I was skeptical cause I saw Alex Jones first and couldn't believe something like that could happen... I even made fun of it... But then I saw this one... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=9%2F11

How do you explain it? I mean it's a video from that day... those moments... not someone telling you what happened... what can and cannot happen with a building... it is a look in the past second for second of what happened... how do you disprove or think something else could be? It would take so many random events and unknown facts to even come close to desrcibing it... the 9/11 commision report didn't even do what they did

What is wrong with this video? No prison planet... no slant... no Alex Jones... no commie crap... nothing you can attack me with you douche bag (BONG)... one guy who was there the whole day... tell me why he is wrong... please...

[Gumby]

BONG I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS MILLION DOLLARS - http://www.reopen911.org/Contest.htm - it wasn't a personal attack... it's an attack that you cannot defend which you made personal... if you can prove what you are saying they will give you a million dollars...

I can assure you however that I am more weathy than you will ever be because I don't define wealth by the amount of money I have or the car I drive.... I define it by the knowledge I have and the love I can give... two things I know I will always have more of than you...

by the way I am 22, have owned my own business for 5 years... own a 4 bedroom 2 bath house... bought a dodge durango with my own money... I am worth over $400,000 in money terms... so go fuck yourself

[Breukelen advocaat]

o.k. so one guy is partialy not reliable... what about the others?? the 9/11 eyewitness was there too... he taped the whole thing... I believe him, much like you put most of your belief in the guy that was there... I was skeptical cause I saw Alex Jones first and couldn't believe something like that could happen... I even made fun of it... But then I saw this one... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=9%2F11How do you explain it? I mean it's a video from that day... those moments... not someone telling you what happened... what can and cannot happen with a building... it is a look in the past second for second of what happened... how do you disprove or think something else could be? It would take so many random events and unknown facts to even come close to desrcibing it... the 9/11 commision report didn't even do what they didWhat is wrong with this video? No prison planet... no slant... no Alex Jones... no commie crap... nothing you can attack me with you douche bag (BONG)... one guy who was there the whole day... tell me why he is wrong... please...

I watched the first 12 minutes of this video - and will take in more as I am able, until I've seen the whole thing.

I did not see anything in the first 12 minutes that was unusual, or different from what I've seen myself in NYC, on TV, and on the Internet - but I will get to watch the whole film in segments over the next day or so.

[Gumby]

it took me two 'sessions' to watch it was well... partly lentgh and partly content... it does get to you. They use the voice recordings a lot for audio timing, and it gets sad. I am not sure if the buildings fall in the first 12 min but you will hear a scream "oh god" that I can't get out of my head... when I see them fall I hear that guy in the background everytime now... It's a very sad movie, but I think it's the best I've seen and very unbiased. I hope you enjoy it even if it doesn't change your mind about who was behind it... I don't think that is what the movie is about ... I think it just more about what happened that day and the differences between 'common knowledge' of the event and 'actual footage' of the event.

ps. have you ever noticed that they will not show build 7 collapse on television... a lot of people, including myself never saw it before the internet.

p.p.s.. History International did a great piece on Nietzsche yesterday... one hell of a thinker...

[Breukelen advocaat]

I worked in one of the Towers, but had changed jobs long before 2001. When the winds were high, the building swayed, and you really felt it moving while riding in the elevators. The elevator was in two sections - you had get off and change to another bank on the 45th floor.

I still have my work WTC ID cards: several from the firm that I worked for, and one which was from the Port Authority, that permitted me special entry to work nights and W/E's when I needed to. I'm fortunate that I didnâ??t stay at those jobs. While I don't think that the floors that we were on had casualties, there is no guarantee that I wouldn't have been a victim outside, or if I had been on one of the bad floors for some reason that day. People were killed by falling debris - one woman that my wife worked with, not in the Towers by in another building in the complex saw a man get sliced in half as he was running. She was a well-known financial analyst, and had to go on disability due to the experience.

A big part of one of the plane's engines, or the motor, ended up on Murray Street, about a quarter mile (a rough guess) away from the towers, outside of a loft where I guy I knew had a music business.