hierarchy of smoking devices?

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can someone who actually knows the answer please explain why certain devices are better than others for smoking weed? i mean theoretically it's all just marijuana smoke going in and out of your lungs, what makes a certain device get one "SO STONED" vs. a device getting one "kinda high" or not high at all.

i dont deny that it's true because i notice that i get shorter and less intense highs off of my bowl compared to my bong, and i use less weed in the process too... but what makes it that way is what i don't understand

[S i k]

well bongs clean the smoke in the water before entering your lungs and with bowls your inhaling all the other stuff thats in weed, so the cleaned smoke gives you more of a real high off THC instead of the cloudyness of a bowl that all the other stuff in weed gives you..

[growitandsmokeit]

As a total guess its probably something to do with the differenences in air flow over the burning bit and I guess this is related to differences in burning temperature. Scientist should study these things god dammit.

[420purplehaze420]

Its all about pull, airtightness, and the concentration of the smoke, a bong condenses the smoke as well as cools it, so you can take a bigger hit and get more at a time, while a pipe produces hot harsh smoke that gives you all the carcinogens, a bong avoids, and leaves you with a more foggy headed high.

this is what i have concluded from my own experiences and what others have told me.

I to use to wonder why a bong is just so much better than a pipe.

[Krogith]

maybe when you argued with me about holding smoke you wernt thinking about this, a bong allows you to hold your smoke for a bit and i know it takes longer than 5 secounds to absorb a bong rip. now if i set a timmer and took a deep breath and let it out after 5 secounds and held my breath then did same thing set timmer took big breath and held it 18 secounds i bet you would be way easyer to pass up 1st time. your body is able to retain and circulate more oxygen the 2ed time. This would apply to all chemcles. Why do people Hotbox because all the smoke you blow out has no THC? No. Your body will absorb more of the THC and high will last longer. Bongs and vaperizors own. :smokin:

[ToxicHaze]

what about vaporizers huh?

[Krogith]

i have only use 1 vaporizer shes my baby i got a volocano, this is one of the best you put your shit in a pice that conected to a big plastic bag fills up like a hot air baloon with just melted THC vapor no burnt carbon, fucking nice as shit:smokin:

[420purplehaze420]

what about vaporizers huh?
well vaporizers arent really part of the hierarchy of smoking, as you do not smoke anything with it, the whole reason there good is because it doesnt burn the weed, but vapourizes the THC and a few other cannaboids. From my experiences the high quality ones give a fantastic high and conserve weed quite a bit.

[krustythfreakinclown]

From my experiences the high quality ones give a fantastic high and conserve weed quite a bit.

Really? Cool! Never smoked out of one yet, but that day may come...

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Vaporizer----Convection \
----True, they aren't smoking devices, they are still the absolute best
Vaporizer----Conduction /

Bong

Bubbler

Lung

Gravity Bong <<<<<These three are actually the same device.
The Lung is up higher because it's most
Convenient
Waterfall

Joint (ties with Gravity Bong family)

Steamroller

Pipe



I have a question, do you get thicker smoke by pulling fast or pulling slow?

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i can answer that... the faster you pull, the faster the smoke is going to get into your throat and the faster your throat gets that burn in it makes the exhale come quicker.... so burning it slowly can build up more smoke before it gets to your mouth

(talking about a bong i presume)

[slipknotpsycho]

well bongs clean the smoke in the water before entering your lungs and with bowls your inhaling all the other stuff thats in weed, so the cleaned smoke gives you more of a real high off THC instead of the cloudyness of a bowl that all the other stuff in weed gives you..
water bongs give you a higher ratio of harmful chemicals/THC then other conventional methods of smoking, water bongs cleaning the 'smoke' is a very common mis-conception.


as for the original question, i'm sure it has something to do with how much/how thick the peice being used produces it's smoke. i'm not exactly sure why or how, perhaps (as i recently heard in the 'don't hold the smoke' thread, the thc is pretty much absorbed instantly) it's becuase the said peice produces alot more smoke, in which you lungs absorb more THC. for instance, i get alot high off my bong then my pipe, but i also get alot higher air/smoke ratio in my pipe, then in my bong, even if using the same ammount of weed.

[suhl]

that doesnt make sense. unless water cotains harmful chemicals how could it make the smoke worse for you?

[slipknotpsycho]

that doesnt make sense. unless water cotains harmful chemicals how could it make the smoke worse for you?
i'm sure someone will come behind me and post the info on it, as i don't know where it was (it was an actual break down of smoking methods) and it's not that it puts more harmful chemicals in it, it's the fact that it gives you a higher ratio of harmful chemicals/thc... anyone who knows what i'm talking about please post the link to the site... cuz i can't for the life of me remember where it was..

[bayareapothead5]

hate to burst your weed bubble there slipknot, but your wrong...the only difference between a pipe and a bong is that the smoke goes through water. the water filters out some of the cannabinoids in the smoke. so to review...bongs just clean out some shit in the smoke thats not too good for you.

[S i k]

hes right ^

[slipknotpsycho]

hate to burst your weed bubble there slipknot, but your wrong...the only difference between a pipe and a bong is that the smoke goes through water. the water filters out some of the cannabinoids in the smoke. so to review...bongs just clean out some shit in the smoke thats not too good for you.
are you really going to make me have to go find it? i just took bars, i gotta go to sleep soon... are you sure you wouldn't just rather take my mind for it? if no, then in the mornning i find.

[slipknotpsycho]

never mind i found it....

http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html


Disappointingly, waterpipes performed uniformly worse than the unfiltered joint. The least bad waterpipe, the bong, produced 30% more tar per cannabinoids than the unfiltered joint. Ironically, the pipe with the electric mixer scored by far the worst of any device. This suggests that water filtration is actually counterproductive, apparently because water tends to absorb THC more readily than noxious tars. Like the waterpipes, the cigarette filter also performed worse than the unfiltered joint, by about 30%. Researchers speculate this is because cannabinoids are exceptionally sticky and adhere to other solids. Hence, any filtration system that picks up particulates is likely also to screen out cannabinoids.

note, this is from NORML, so it is very unlikely the information is wrong, since they are pro-marijuana afterall....

[S i k]

THC doesnt stick to water..and last time i checked water wasnt a solid? =/

i thought the only thing THC would stick to was fatty stuff like milk, im sure the ppl in the cooking section know somethin about this..

[slipknotpsycho]

you'd be suprised how much you 'know' about weed, is in fact not true.... don't take my word for what i said, take norml's word for what they said... thc isn't water soulable, that doesn't mean some won't get stuck in the water, just like acetomenophin isn't water soulable, but if you use the extraction method for vicodins you can bet your ass there's atleast still a little bit more chemical you want out of the vicodin, stuck to the acetomenophin.... tell me why NORML would put out false information, when they only aim to legalize weed?

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Contrary to popular impression, waterpipes don't necessarily protect smokers from harmful tars in marijuana smoke, according to a new study sponsored by MAPS and California NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). The reason is that waterpipes filter out more psychoactive THC than they do other tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect. The study does not rule out the possibility that waterpipes could have other benefits, such as filtering out gases, but it suggests that other methods, such as the use of high potency marijuana, vaporizers, or oral ingestion are needed to avoid harmful toxins in marijuana smoke.

and this

Surprisingly, the unfiltered joint outperformed all devices except the vaporizers, with a ratio of about 1 part cannabinoids to 13 parts tar. This disturbingly poor ratio may be explained by the low potency of the NIDA-supplied marijuana used in the study, which was around 2.3%.


Well see, it's obvious not enough research has been done to make a conclusion just yet. I mean, the variable of the smoke lost through joints wasn't taken into account. I'm not saying you're wrong or right, just that not enough research has been performed to give conclusive evidence that waterpipes are a less effective and more harmful smoking method.

I felt I had to edit and add another thing. It's still unconclusive if marijuana really does cause cancer. I believe it does, but that's beside the point. Now, a waterpipe, for me anyways, results in less coughing, which means that I have a lower chance of developing bronchitis than someone who is thrown into coughing fits. Choose your poison, I guess.

[IIG]

1. Vaporizer
2. Bongs
3. Blunts
4. Joints
5. Pipes

People that smoke out of a pipe only, do not know what they are missiing...

[slipknotpsycho]

never mind i found it....

http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html



note, this is from NORML, so it is very unlikely the information is wrong, since they are pro-marijuana afterall....
in response to graph's post let me change 'the information is wrong' to 'the information is intentionally falsified.

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hahah. In that case, we're agreed.:D

Seriously though, I stand by my previous statement that smilies are only fun when you're high.

[ChronicMike]

Out of all the times ive smoked bongs always get me th highest....plus there so fun to smoke out of.