JUSTASEED i got some scrog Qs i need some As

[seasoned vet]

so i been searching the word SCROG, and i see your name coming up alot with very good info, let along very good pics. A+

heres my situation. im working with a 30in wide x 21in deep x 70" tall cabinet, im running 2 plants i wanted to go with 1 o.g.master kush (great tamatoes) and 1 blueberry (mmm blueberrys) but from reading your posts, i should keep to the same strain. ive gotten about 6 grows under my belt BUT no scrog, i built this set-up with scrog in mind. im using 2 waterfarms (hydrO) and a 250w hps for flower then about 4 or 5 125w cfls. i got 1 inlet 55cfm fan and one exhaust 55cfm fan, im using floranova series nutes. theres the details.

now as far as scrog, how would you go about this whole situation and exactly what goes on when you "twisting, bending, and tieing down", sounds brutal.....do i have to top them? should i have em grow to the screen? should i let them grow then push the screen on em? your bud sites are all perfectly even on top, do you trim the plants all at the same height, so say you got a 10in plant a 11in and a 11.5, would you cut them all even at 10? please help my seeds are burning a hole in my pocket!!!!!!


thanks, seasoned.

[seasoned vet]

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[turtle420]

now as far as scrog, how would you go about this whole situation and exactly what goes on when you "twisting, bending, and tieing down", sounds brutal.....do i have to top them? should i have em grow to the screen? should i let them grow then push the screen on em? your bud sites are all perfectly even on top, do you trim the plants all at the same height, so say you got a 10in plant a 11in and a 11.5, would you cut them all even at 10? please help my seeds are burning a hole in my pocket!!!!!!
Hey vet, how you doing?

I'm not jAs, but maybe I can chime in my two cents... or all 5 cents I've got with me...

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Anyways, here are my thoughts...
"twisting, bending, and tieing down" might sound brutal, but it really isn't! Not at the least... unless you are a brute, and you manhandle your girls.

But, you do all that, g e n t l y. Nice and easy. You'll find it much fun when you see the plans reacting, within ours, to the new shapes you have give to her extremities. Much fun.

TOPPING:
Well, you don't have to top them... but you can.
Furthermore, topping will give you more "extremities" to work with... so topping and SCRoG go farily well together.

The thing with topping is, that it takes a couple of days (weeks? 1 week? 2 weeks?) for the plant to keep on going as it was before. When you top, the plant gets like, "stunned". Not that she stops or anything, but she's kind of thinking: Shit dude! Why you do that again?! OUCH!!!.

Then she grows two or more new shoots. Much fun too!

So, between topping here, and there, your vegetative time should be extended. If I'm not mistaken, JustAseed vegged his plants for something around 6 weeks, or maybe even 8. I'M NOT SURE how much time, but I know it wasn't 3 weeks... it was more.

"should i have em grow to the screen? should i let them grow then push the screen on em?"
You can do it both ways.

I'm doing it by letting the plants grow into the screen, then weaving/trainning them into it.

Again, if I'm not mistaken, I think jAseed would veg his plants screen-less, then latter place the screen over them. I don't know if he would then veg for a couple of more weeks or what... I'm not sure.

"so say you got a 10in plant a 11in and a 11.5, would you cut them all even at 10? "
Don't cut them... just, train them into the screen.

The idea is to try and keep the most even canopy possible. So even small "pop corn" budsites, would be contenders for biggest-colas.

Hope this helps Vet, much care,

-turtle420 :cool:
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DISCLAIMER: I've attempted to answer all this to the best of my abilities, and within my time-constraints (I'm eating)... I suggest you double check everything I said, and be open for corrections from other members and from JaS.

[seasoned vet]

hey turtle thanks for the response, im gonna be starting the tamatoes this week some time, possibly tonight, i got the rockwool ready. i really wanna do the scrog but am nervous about doing it, we'll theres a first time for everything. ive done alot of reading about over the past few days but i think what i really need is someone to walk me threw the process, the tiing bending and all that, training them is what im nervous about, i wanna make sure i do it right.

thanks, seasoned.

[turtle420]

the tiing bending and all that, training them is what im nervous about, i wanna make sure i do it right.
Hey Seasoned,

Let me tell you, that my SCRoG experience is ahead of yours by barely 2 weeks. That's the total amount of my SCRoG experience... so take my advice with a pound of salt.

Anyways, the training, bending and tying... it's REALLY easy. You know the plants are kind of flexible? Well, use just that... carefully "weave" them into the screen.

From my 1st time experience right now, I can tell you that I don't "weave many times" one branch. There isn't a branch that's long enough to "weave many times" in one instance.

^^^ That last thing I said is kind of confusing, so let me try and elaborate:::
I've seen my branches poke through the screen, then be like 4 or 5 inches above the screen. That's when I take them and "weave" them into the screen. But, when you bend them, you have "enough branch" for like 1 "weaving" through the screen holes.

It isn't like a branch will be enough to "weave through" four or five holes in one "training session".

So the screen training (weaving) is step by step... little by little.

After one "weaving session", a couple of days, and the plant will have grown in length more... and it'll be reaching for the skies (and the lights). So when you have "enough branch" once again, you do another "weaving session".

That's my experience so far... I might be doing it wrong. In any event, I'm going to snap some before/after pictures of my handy work, and upload, so you can judge for your self. :)

Best to you Seasoned, and let's see how we both do!,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[justaseed]

sorry i just noticed this thread! i have to put the kids to bed now but i'll be back soon and do my best to answer your ?'s

[justaseed]

i had a separate veg chamber where i would veg clones for 6-8 weeks. i topped them once they had 4 nodes and continued topping and lst until they almost reached the size i wanted. then allow 2 weeks without topping for the plant to recuperate. at this point i would move them to the flower chamber and, as you said, push the screen onto them. i would leave the lighting on 18/6 until the screen was about 75% full then switch the lighting to 12/12. you must continue tying the branches to the screen for the 1st 2 weeks or so of 12/12 until they crown off and begin budding. then just watch them grow. imo it's ok to trim fan leaves above the screen that are shading budsites as lond as you do so sparingly. leave all fan leaves below the screen alone. alot will die and fall off on there own anyway. sorry i took so long to reply. good luck.

[justaseed]

turtle i just read your last post...excellent explanation of the training process. and it sounds like you are doing it right. instead of "weaving" i would use twisties to tie the branches to the screen, this is alot easier and quicker imo although the results are the same.

[seasoned vet]

sweet thanks for the response, now when you say continue toping you top them more then once? i think i got the hole tying em down thing, the biggest thing for me is toping them correctly and at the right time...what will happen if i dont top? but have everyting weaved and tied down?

[turtle420]

turtle i just read your last post...excellent explanation of the training process. and it sounds like you are doing it right. instead of "weaving" i would use twisties to tie the branches to the screen, this is alot easier and quicker imo although the results are the same.
Thanks for the kind words JaSeed...
Many of your SCRoGs have been wallpapers in my computers... no kiddin'. ;)

As to the "twisties"... Haha!
Funny you say that... just yesterday I started doing that...

My impressions so far?
As you said... much easier than weaving... and I suspect, much easier to make "corrections" if you don't like where a branch is placed or something.


sweet thanks for the response, now when you say continue toping you top them more then once? i think i got the hole tying em down thing, the biggest thing for me is toping them correctly and at the right time...what will happen if i dont top? but have everyting weaved and tied down?
I'm wondering something very similar....

jAseed... when you top.... let's say two new tops are coming out... about how much do you wait before topping those new ones?

Seasoned vet... I'm going to try and explain what I do regarding topping:::

You know the very top of a plant? The one that has those "tender" new growths... very small... leaves still "curled up" waiting to grow unfolded...
I try and move out of the way the leaves that are clearly there (the small ones)... then cut just above them.

Above them you'll see what's about to become small "curled up" leaves, but they're not quite there yet. So I chop that off...

I, personally, use a nifty "scissor" I got at some point... sharp edges... short blades... not for big branches... just for tender stuff like that. I think the manufacturer is "Fisk" or something.

But don't fret too much about it... I mean, if I remember correctly, Mand tops with here fingernails... and she prefers to call it " pinchin' " I believe. And her grows are text book!

I've found out that the best thing about this hobby is the "experimentation"... just, try different things and checking out the results.

So, just try it out... :)

Best to all, thanks sVet and JaS,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[seasoned vet]

sweet i got those fiskar scissors there kick ass, now im alil confused on toping it more then once.

[justaseed]

imo you must to if you wanna scrog properly. just "pinch" out the growth tips it's that simple.

turtle, i would start by topping the main stalk at the 4th node. then after a week or so i would top the secondary growth as well. then after another week or so i would top the tallest branches to allow others to catch up. then just keep topping the tallest branches every week or so. this keeps the plant short but very bushy. just make sure you give the plant 2 weeks to recuperate without any topping before you switch to 12/12