nitrogen ferts

[chronicuk]

hi all ive just started my outdoor grow which is 10 seeds of nirvana blue mistic i ve got two fertilizers baby bio which i know is a veg vert and sulphate of ammonia nitrogen plant food it says it to give a boost for cabbage and lettuce plants.
at the back it says : ammoniacal nitrogen (N) = 21.0% do u think this will be good for veg for my plants heres pics thatks all

ps: is baby bio a chemical fert and can anyone recomened a better organic veg vert thankz

[Kush Over]

Good Lawd! That's a lot of Nitrogen!

Be careful with that! If you spill it on yourself your children will be born naked.

It should be good in third - forth recommended doses. I'm not sure about the Baby Bio, though. What's it got in there? I'd consider getting something with micro nutrients and at least a little Potassium for the plant's health.

[chronicuk]

the baby bio N P K is 10.6 - 1.9 - 1.4 for its says on the bottle contains organic matter does that mean its organic. it also says 10.6 - 4.4 -1.7 it says to put 5 to 10 drops in 1/2 a leter (1 pint) of water
or mix half a capful in 1 leter (2 pints) of water and only feeding twice a week is this a good fert and how often and how much should i use thankz u very much kush over

[Kush Over]

Ah, now that I see it you could probably put the nitrogen stuff away and just use the Baby Bio for vegging. 10.6 - 1.9 - 1.4 is much better than straight ammoniacal nitrogen, and since it's organic based nutrients there's less a chance of burning the plant.

Don't feed them if they're only seedlings. Instead, wait until they're about three to five weeks old, then feed them a half recommend dosage of the Baby Bio to that amount of water the bottle lists.

In the mean time try looking for some flowering foods, maybe something organic based. You'll need something with a higher phosphorous rating and with as little nitrogen as possible, so go with a higher P and K for the flowering food. I recommend bone meal, kelp meal, or maybe even a guano high in phosphorous and potassium.

Oh, and you answered yourself with that "the bottle says 'contains organic matter', is it organic" question.

[chronicuk]

so do u think 3 drops in 1 leter would be a good start when i first start veging?
could u reccomend a good organic fert? i need a uk site with some good ferts is what i need.
would it be good to get worm casting for when im flowering
http://www.capitalgardens.co.uk/acatalog/Fertilisers.html thats the link for the worm castings is there any good fertsfor flowering in this site plus any extras i might want to add.
also i found something which might be really good for flower its in the same page on the same link its called J Arthur Bowers Sulphate of Potash.
ps: is worth getting epsom salts for my outdoor grow?
thankz once again Kush
I appreciate your help

[Kush Over]

Three drops a liter should suffice.

The earthworm castings are a very good choice. I think it has a little NPK value and somewhere in the neighborhood of ten trace elements, maybe a few more I'm not sure. So yes, you can use the castings for both vegging and flowering as they won't interfere much, NPK wise.

That site you listed has some good stuff. That Rootgrow Fertiliser has beneficial fungi that'd be good for both vegging and flowering. The J Arthur Bowers Sulphate of Potash and Superphosphate are good, too. Those two together would make up excellent phosphorous and potassium values for flowering. That Maxicrop Organic Plant Growth Stimulant also looks like it'd make a good additive. And the Maxicrop Organic Seaweed Meal wouldn't hurt, either.

The Epsom salts are important because they contain one of the top five most needed nutrients for cannabis, and that's magnesium. It's probably one of the most common deficiencies, so it is important to at least have something containing magnesium in the event the plant(s) aren't getting enough.

[chronicuk]

thanks for your detailed replys :)
just wondering if i get both the sulphate potash and supetpotash would i need to buy another fert for flowering?
just is what i plan on getting so it all adds up close to 10 pounds. hope theres no delivery charges.
VEG: Rootgrow Fertiliser,Wormcast Fertiliser,J Arthur Bowers Epsom Salts and Maxicrop Organic Plant Growth Stimulant.
Do u think the Phostrogen Plant Food is good for flowering at the bottom of the page looks like a good NPK supply for the plants NPK: 14-10-27 + Trace elements.
ps: for the rootgrow fertiliser should i get the 80 ml tree sachet,80ml 'Roses and Shrubs' sachet or the 80ml 'Houseplants' sachet.
peace

[chronicuk]

by the way here is the soil im using at the moment for my seedlings.http://www.gardenhealth.com/product_range/specialist/multipurpose.php
and heres the perlite thats all that ive got at the moment is it alright for now?http://www.gardenhealth.com/product_range/feed_all/perlite.php

[Kush Over]

You're welcome. That's what helps for.

No, you wouldn't need to buy another fertilizer for flowering. The plant(s) will more than love the phosphorous and potassium you'll be providing granted the medium is also getting some of the micro nutrients in the wormcastings as well the mycorrhizal fungi from the rootgrow fertilizer.

Roots become particularly vulnerable during flowering as a result of the plant concentrating it's energy on it's flowering process. The mycorrhizal fungi will assist the plant to a near stress fear recuperation in the event that the roots are damaged, and even if that doesn't happen the plant will still benefit from the assisted nutrient and water uptake. As far as what amount to get, get whatever you think you'll need. It shouldn't take much mixed with the medium to get some benefit, though.

The problem with the Phostrogen Plant Food is that it contains more nitrogen than phosphorous, so it wouldn't be very good as a flowering fertilizer. Cannabis generally uses more phosphorous than nitrogen during flowering, so it doesn't require more than what's in the medium already. Phosphorous will promote bud growth and nurture it to it's fullest, whereas nitrogen will promote leaf and general plant mass growth, but not for flowering. Potassium is used to accumulate and trans-locate carbohydrates, the stored food, within the plant. Without adequate Potassium the plant's yield can be severely impeded.

The compost and perlite should do fine, by the way. And if you have anymore questions you know where to come.

[chronicuk]

thankz for that i wont get that Phostrogen Plant Food then.
heres some pics of my plants buy the way ill make a thread for my grow on these forums soon :)
http://www.planetskunk.com/cannabis9620.html&sid=a12edc62986df684700cba30f0c41a30

[chronicuk]

by the way ive ordered superthrive about 2 days ago a was wondering how much drops of superthrive should i put in 500 ml of water?
would half a teaspoon be enough. cause i think it says 1 teasppon per gallon and i dont really have a 1 gallon bucket to put all that water in.

[Ssenorp]

You guys should read this:

http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/jiha4207.html

Its a study that claims nitrogen addititives will decrease THC levels in the plant.

[stone eng]

Kush over is right about the worm casings, they are a really good all around food. Also, once they're more than seedlings you can give them a good shot of organic Nitrogen by making alfalfa tea. Alfalfa pellets are $4.50/ 50 LBS!! around here. I put 1/2-1oz in the coffee maker, then dilute into a gallon of water. I've read that it also has some good trace nutrients, but I've heard that it is not recomended for use during flowering. They DO love it in veg, and so do jalapeno peppers, BTW :)

[chronicuk]

superthrive arrived today could someone tell me how much to give to my seedlings?thankz for all comments

[chronicuk]

heres a link to my grow >>>> http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=63008

[Kush Over]

SuperThrive's great. It contains Vitamin B1 -- also known as Thiamine -- which has shown in studies the potential to protect your plant from many different pathogens, bacteria, and fungi -- but not all. I'll take this excerpt from Checkbiotech.org.

"Researchers found that thiamine induces systemic acquired resistance (SAR) in plants, which enhances resistance to many, but not all fungal, bacterial, and viral pathogens. By spraying thiamine on rice, Arabidopsis, and cucumber, among other crops, and inoculating the plants with the pathogens, the researchers found that the incidence of viral and bacterial infections amongst the plants was much lower. For instance, thiamine treatment of the rice cultivator Nakdong also induced resistance to the compatible bacterial leaf blight pathogen Xanthomonas oryzae pv oryzae strain.

The effect of thiamine spraying lasted for as long as 15 days for the plants. These findings provide a new way by which scientists could develop strategies for the control of plant diseases."

Along with this are 1-Naphthyl Acetic Acid, an auxin in SuperThrive which assists in root development. These are two compounds among fifty vitamins and hormones in SuperThrive. Supposedly it causes a greater percentage of female flower production, meaning it acts almost as a 'feminizer' would, so to speak. I can vouch for it myself -- the only male bits on plants I get are rare hermaphrodites. Rare and unrelated to SuperThrive.

I use anywhere from one - two drops in .5 liters of water. You don't really need more than one to two drops of SuperThrive to a gallon, anyway. I typically use it each watering and each feeding up until I decide to induce flowering, and then from there I just flush and desist using it.

Why stop using it?

Because it can inhibit flowering after the onset of buds.


Max Payne's fun, huh?

[chronicuk]

thankz for that info.
when should i stop using suprthrive and when does flowering start outdoors so i can change to my flower ferts?
thankz