Does anyone ever think how bad it would be to live forever?

[GhostFace2K]

Every time I think about death the first thought that comes to my mind is how awful it would be to just NOT EXIST upon death. Picture yourself in this situation: They say you brain still functions for a short amount of time (7-14 seconds) after it has been completely severed from your body. Imagine that you have just been decapitated, and in your last fleeting seconds (with your head detached from your body) you're thinking about death. All of the sudden you realize that what if there is no after-life? what if... when you die, you are just dead, there is no more, you have no soul, you have nothing, you no longer exist, and everything that was you ceases to exist. I'm sure that makes the majority of you cringe, it's a terrible feeling to even think about it. So then i start thinking... wow it'd be much better to be in heaven and live forever... And then i start thinking to myself, would it really be better to live forever? would it really even be fun to live for eternity. Just imagine living till your 100, then imagine living to 1000, then imagine living to 10,000. Soon enough you should be able to get a small glimpse of how dull life would be, and how boring it could get after 100,000 years go by and you're still alive. I'm sure nothing you do amuses you after you've been alive for 100,000 years Would living infinitely long really be bad? Would you rather live eternally in after-life, or just cease to exist upon your death? Would you get bored after living for a million years?

[Highness]

actually if you died I mean really died and ceased to exist completely. It really wouldnt be that bad since you wouldnt be around to mourn or feel or think about what happened or what you lost so actaully that would be complete rest for ever. Living forever now that all depends, living forever staying the way we are now would suck ass and i would choose the permanent death instantly , but living forever and evolving and becoming more than what you are now that has my vote completely. A never ending adventure, who in there right mind would'nt want that and in all actuality nothing really ever ends everything is eternal, it just continues in different ways. Do you mean dieing and leaving your body living forever or do you mean living and becoming an Immortal man in the flesh?

[GhostFace2K]

actually if you died I mean really died and ceased to exist completely. It really wouldnt be that bad since you wouldnt be around to mourn or feel or think about what happened or what you lost so actaully that would be complete rest for ever. Living forever now that all depends, living forever staying the way we are now would suck ass and i would choose the permanent death instantly , but living forever and evolving and becoming more than what you are now that has my vote completely. A never ending adventure, who in there right mind would'nt want that and in all actuality nothing really ever ends everything is eternal, it just continues in different ways. Do you mean dieing and leaving your body living forever or do you mean living and becoming an Immortal man in the flesh?

i guess it meant kind of both... Would you want to live eternally as an immortan man in the flesh? most would say no, but i have 2 friends who say yes. But the question i wanted to address would be living eternally in an "after-life" scenario (i.e. heaven, purgatory, reincarnation/rebirth cycle, etc etc...)

[GhostFace2K]

and i'm not saying that it would suck to cease to exist completlely... you're right in the sense that if you cease to exist when you die, you wouldn't be conscious to even contemplate the issue, but i'm saying metaphorically from a 3rd person perspective... it kind of pinpoints the absurdity of life... in that there is nothing more to you than where you end...

[Highness]

Personally no If I am going to live forever I want the full package, my body and all to evolve to the next plane I never really understood why people always have to exclude the flesh like a piece of trash in order to evolve or live forever. And yes to be Immortal in the flesh and evolve as a whole would be my vote but to be immortal in the flesh and remain a mere human would be scary and my version of purgatory bar none.

A question for you sir.....why do you think people choose to suffer and have ultamatoms of do or die fatalistic tendencies when it comes to life in general. Why do people always foreshadow within there lifetime either a sacrafice to achieve greatness or forever suffering? Why dont people think about what it would be like to have the best of both worlds? why do they always sway to pain and suffering with this ingrained taste for morbidity?

well it turned out to be a 3 part question but each question is basically asking the same thing from a different point of view....haha i tend to do that alot being aquarius and all I look at everything from every point of perception possible I can not allow myself to leave anything untouched by my observation and perception. And will never understand why people choose Ignorance is Bliss over Knowing all that you want to know. But I think its because they are fearful to know the answers.

[Highness]

and i'm not saying that it would suck to cease to exist completlely... you're right in the sense that if you cease to exist when you die, you wouldn't be conscious to even contemplate the issue, but i'm saying metaphorically from a 3rd person perspective... it kind of pinpoints the absurdity of life... in that there is nothing more to you than where you end...


why do you feel there is nothing more to you then where you end? I understand is it because like most you dont like the options presented to you by others and the mass belief of humankind that you must grow old and die? If you are to die is'nt it better to die believeing and trying to achieve what you really want for yourself ..reguardless of what god,devil or the resyt of the world thinks. Or have you accepted someone elses beliefs as your fate and already given up? Im not saying you feel or think this way personally I am asking what you think of these things.

[GhostFace2K]

Personally no If I am going to live forever I want the full package, my body and all to evolve to the next plane I never really understood why people always have to exclude the flesh like a piece of trash in order to evolve or live forever. And yes to be Immortal in the flesh and evolve as a whole would be my vote but to be immortal in the flesh and remain a mere human would be scary and my version of purgatory bar none.

A question for you sir.....why do you think people choose to suffer and have ultamatoms of do or die fatalistic tendencies when it comes to life in general. Why do people always foreshadow within there lifetime either a sacrafice to achieve greatness or forever suffering? Why dont people think about what it would be like to have the best of both worlds? why do they always sway to pain and suffering with this ingrained taste for morbidity?

well it turned out to be a 3 part question but each question is basically asking the same thing from a different point of view....haha i tend to do that alot being aquarius and all I look at everything from every point of perception possible I can not allow myself to leave anything untouched by my observation and perception. And will never understand why people choose Ignorance is Bliss over Knowing all that you want to know. But I think its because they are fearful to know the answers.

Personally i think that the thoughts that you speak of are completely spurred from societal influences. In todays society, the bar is set so high, and living the "American Dream" is what all youth are taught is the way And there are points in your life that make you realize how far you really are from reaching that idealistic "American Dream" leisure lifestyle. So in a sense, society has set an ultimatum, and you adapt this kind of do-or-die approach to it. And the people who want to live that "American Dream" no they that are going to sacrifice greatly to get there, and those who believe that they're already too far behind will just reiterate the fact that they're doomed.
Stealing from Fightclub, i think this quote points out the absurdity of the American "way":

"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. "


And as for the "ignorance is bliss" i think that you are exactly right. But the quote is exactly right as well... Ignorance allows people to live in bliss, without worries. And it's much easier to live an ignorant lifestyle than it is to know and accept the truth of life. And unfortunately, the truth of life is probably different for everybody.

[GhostFace2K]

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[GhostFace2K]

why do you feel there is nothing more to you then where you end? I understand is it because like most you dont like the options presented to you by others and the mass belief of humankind that you must grow old and die? If you are to die is'nt it better to die believeing and trying to achieve what you really want for yourself ..reguardless of what god,devil or the resyt of the world thinks. Or have you accepted someone elses beliefs as your fate and already given up? Im not saying you feel or think this way personally I am asking what you think of these things.

I don't feel that there is noting more to you then where you end? but that would be the conclusion if you believed that death meant ceasing to exist. I personally believe that there is a heaven. What you were referring to about at least dying believing something has been contemplated for centuries. You, my friend, have a philosphers mind. "Pascal's wager" in the belief of religion is that even if you do not believe in God, you're better off wagering that he does exist. Because if you're right and God does exist, then you've made the right decision. But if you were wrong, and God doesn't exist, there was no harm done. But imagine that you don't believe in God. Now if you die, and God does exist, you get the shaft. Basically...It's a win/win situation to believe in God and after-life.

[Highness]

Personally i think that the thoughts that you speak of are completely spurred from societal influences. In todays society, the bar is set so high, and living the "American Dream" is what all youth are taught is the way And there are points in your life that make you realize how far you really are from reaching that idealistic "American Dream" leisure lifestyle. So in a sense, society has set an ultimatum, and you adapt this kind of do-or-die approach to it. And the people who want to live that "American Dream" no they that are going to sacrifice greatly to get there, and those who believe that they're already too far behind will just reiterate the fact that they're doomed.
Stealing from Fightclub, i think this quote points out the absurdity of the American "way":

"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. "


And as for the "ignorance is bliss" i think that you are exactly right. But the quote is exactly right as well... Ignorance allows people to live in bliss, without worries. And it's much easier to live an ignorant lifestyle than it is to know and accept the truth of life. And unfortunately, the truth of life is probably different for everybody.


hmm I see but I dont feel that its unfortunate that the truth of life is different for everybody and why do people let there surroundings course them so like if no great war in your generation really means anything or a depression for that matter, why dont, people just see things that happen as they are and realize reguardless of what happens they still are themselves reguardless of the times they are in. It doesnt matter what the generation quota is man, no purpose or place what does that have to do with what peoiple really want inside. Thats whats important , why do people point a finger at everything and blame it for there problems never realizing that your life is not so much in danger as is your perception of that life. Its all what you make of it I have met people that just go around finding every little thing to complain about when they dont really understand how bad it could really be. They dont understand that by remaining in that state of mind and being that in itself is them wether they realize it or not are choosing there future, destiny, fate or whatever word you want to label it with.

people act like its some impossible feat to change there mind witch in turn would change the outcome of there lives it may not happen instantly but it happens and that what i think counts , as long as your headed where you want to go even if it takes what seems like eternity, isnt that better than just giving in and jumping on the bandwagon of the majority rule and saying your doomed. If not then people desrve to have the doom they so repeatedly forshadow for themselves. Then they will get that smack in the face and wake up and realize that life itself wich is right infront of them can show them how to get to where they want to be.

But no, people disreguard lifes importance and its message in so they choose entropy and death and in the end they will realize no one was to blame but themselves.And in that fact its good that everyone has there own truth cuz it would truly suck to be chained to something that has nothing you want anything to do with.

[Esmada]

When you die ther really is nothing. There is no god or heaven or hell. The meaning with life is to grow up and have childeren so that ouer genes go on. Thats how we live foreever,through our childeren. religion is just made up to put people at ease and prevent mass hysteria. (please be patient with my spelling) We are,after all,memals. We are blessed with a brain that is to big and an imagination. Rest in peace.

[Oneironaut]

Exactly. No amount of wishful thinking will create an afterlife for you. You are your brain. When your brain dies, so do your personality, your memory, your emotions, your beliefs, your experiences, etc. There is no soul in you which will magically transfer the contents of your brain to some magical fantasy camp in the sky.

This is not just some entry test to see if you can get past the bouncer at the pearly gates. This is real life. All you can do is live it and leave it. So live it to the fullest while you have it. People who believe in the afterlife have an expectation that their experience will last forever, which makes them forget just how precious our time is on this planet. After all, a few decades is but a drop of water compared to the incomprehensibly vast oceans of time you will spend in the "afterlife". It makes them indifferent to suffering and oppression at times. I will suffer injustice now, they reason, because God will bring me justice in the end and I will live in blissful happiness forever. Religion is a tyrant's best friend.

[Rizzle]

Well you don't have to believe in anything buddy, but don,t denounce others for there religious beliefs, i am religious and i enjoy my life to its fullest , so in my opinion your theory is full of shit

[Oneironaut]

I can denounce whatever crazy beliefs I want to denounce. As Scott Adams (the guy who draws Dilbert) put it:

People keep telling me that I should respect the beliefs of others. That sounds entirely reasonable, at least until you think about it. The problem is in knowing where to draw the line....

But it seems to me dishonest to display respect for all beliefs equally. Surely there are beliefs that deserve slightly less respect than others....

This has to be an even bigger problem for those of you who have a religion of your own. You’re thinking something along the lines of “My prophet talked to a real angel whereas your prophet was evidently taking a drunken forest wiz and thought a tree stump was talking back to him.”....

I also wonder if showing respect for all beliefs is causing more problems than it’s avoiding. The only thing that keeps most people from acting on their absurd beliefs is the fear that other people will treat them like frickin’ retards. Mockery is an important social tool for squelching stupidity.

Some ideas are better than others, and I point out where the bad ideas go wrong, and why they inconvenience people. Afterlife belief is wrong because we have no evidence of an afterlife. And it does cause suffering. Not only when people start depreciating their earthly lives in expectation of an infinite and perfect eternal life, but also when people crash airplanes into buildings because they think they're going somewhere afterwards.

[benagain]

We've all been through this convo with oneironaut before. We're not gonna change his mind no more than he'll change ours. Besides...We all (religious or not) hate it when someone tries to get us to beleive the same way they do when we feel so strongly about it. I'm sure he means well so there ya go.....
Oh btw....I like french fries :thumbsup:

[Oneironaut]

Of course I mean well. I just want people to realize that, like everything else in this universe, we are all temporary. I think this is a very important thing to be aware of. Once you cure yourself of delusions of immortality, once you acknowledge that everything you'll ever do you must do before you die, once you realize that the only possible kind of justice is justice we enact in the here and now, you begin to take a new perspective on life. You find out how important it is to do what pleases you and those who are close to you, not some hypothetical deity.

[benagain]

Of course I mean well. I just want people to realize that, like everything else in this universe, we are all temporary. I think this is a very important thing to be aware of. Once you cure yourself of delusions of immortality, once you acknowledge that everything you'll ever do you must do before you die, once you realize that the only possible kind of justice is justice we enact in the here and now, you begin to take a new perspective on life. You find out how important it is to do what pleases you and those who are close to you, not some hypothetical deity.

While I disagree on some issues with you I do agree with ya here a little bit. I think that some people are so worried about what's gonna happen when they die that they make life miserable now. Religion or not, God or evolution....either way we should focus on what we can do now to make life better for everyone. i think the best part of (most) religion is it's supposed to give people a reason to treat each other nice and fair. Some people get hungup on the meaning of one sentance in the bible and get into holy wars. totally not the point. Regardless of what happens when we die. We should all get along now while we can :thumbsup:

[orangeman]

If I could live in the form of being 18 for ever I would love it. Yeah, 18..I sure wouldnt wanna get older and older and keep living while I look like a prune..well that is to live on this earth. It'd be cool to see the world develop technology even better. But I just hope there is an afterlife..if we really have a "spirit" then I think the spirit will possess another form of life, like maybe a bird, a plant (lol), or a human again? Like if you really think about it if we have a spirit, when we die the spirit cant die...it has to go some where and maybe we do live for ever but it's obvious that living as your current self would eventually get boring and be a forever nothingness so thats maybe why you die and get born again with a fresh mind and no prior knowledge of the previous life so things start all over and things never get boring for ever..I know this is a bit confusing but seriously.

[friendowl]

shit if i could i would live forever.
yeah there would be some bad things but overall
im curious to see how this earth winds up.
100 years isnt enought time.

[bichickindallas]

i would not want to live forever.based on your religious beliefs,is what happens after your death.my personal belief is your either six feet under or baked.but if we lived forever,it would disrupt the natural order of life,there is no life without death,could you imagine if people didnt die?we already have a population problem.it also bothers me how some people celebrate death,spending thousands on funerals.i know i dont want a bunch of bad dressed people with lame flowers staring at my dead body when i die.as far as the world ending,that will begin when natural resources begin to run dry,which they will,not for a long time im sure,but then comes chaos,and wars over the last of the resources,and there is evolution,we are a species and could become extinct,or we could keep evolving.and thats my opinion.im new here by the way,high to everyone!and thank you for smoking:stoned:

[Mercsix8six]

its like killing urself matters in li=fe when other ppl say " oh now dont do that well it happens then thers about a couple thousand to take its place and stuff? think about being either in the a box or being outside of one cuz eather way ur in One. no dies not in a box think about it.........kill ur self and making sure none can u find leaves me in a wolrd of LimbOO huhuh huhh?

[Highness]

When you die ther really is nothing. There is no god or heaven or hell. The meaning with life is to grow up and have childeren so that ouer genes go on. Thats how we live foreever,through our childeren. religion is just made up to put people at ease and prevent mass hysteria. (please be patient with my spelling) We are,after all,memals. We are blessed with a brain that is to big and an imagination. Rest in peace.


Esmada, no disrespect but have you died for your self and know this to be a pure fact?, I dont think so cuz your still here....And in my opinion it is totally foolish to speak about something you really know nothing about.

And you say what you say like you think its a hundred percent sure when you dobnt even know yourself.

Now saying that thats what you believe or feel is different than acting like you know thats whats real and thats whats going to happen to everyone.



Just for the record, to respect others and what they believe and feel is a good thing..... but to tell others that something is ,when you really have no experience in what your talking about yourself is just spreading ignorance.

We were talking about posasabilities and they way things are thats all...anyone that comes on here acting or feeling like they know a HUndred percent what exactly happens when we die or whats in store for all of our lives or future is COMPLETLY full of themselves.
No one has any right to dictate someone elses life , future , or death much less the power to do so, when it comes to these topics all we can do is theorize until our time to find out what its really about comes.

[GhostFace2K]

I believe in ghosts, and i believe in after life. There's been thousands of people to attest to the idea of an afterlife. Those who have had a "near death" experience all experience death in almost the same exact way. The tibetan book of the dead describes death to the T, and when somebody has a near-death experience it usually fits perfectly with the description of death given in the ancient and biblical Tibetan Book of the Dead. I believe that there is way too much that is unexplained, and you can't dismiss it. The world is vastly enormous, and contains dynamics that science will never discover. There's been cases where children have dreams of a previous life, and researchers have been able to identify the EXACT life of the person the child describes. The child can describe (in detail) every facet of that man's life, and the only way i believe that this is possible is if there is some kind of spiritual transcendence after death.

[slipknotpsycho]

if there is an afterlife, where a body's soul goes after the body ceases to exist... wouldn't it be crowded by now? i don't care what christians say, if they say because people live we have a soul, then so do animal, think of all the animals, bugs, people and everything else that has died in the existance of the earth... i think i'd rather just cease to exist then be piled into some magical paradise where you can't even move your finger without touching someone else...

[GhostFace2K]

I'm sure if a place for after-life does exist, it probably doesn't have spacial issues. The universe is infinitely big, and a "heaven" probably entails very complex aspects that we as human beings couldn't even begin to understand.

[slipknotpsycho]

if it were that big, wouldn't we be seeing more and more ghosts/spirits wandering around as time goes on (more and more livingthings die) i just find it really hard to believe, that if there is a special place all dead people go, that we wouldn't find evidence of it, especially after everything that's died in the ammount of time 'time' has started (if god created everything, and there might be more and more planets out there, wouldn't that also mean they are subject to the same things, or does this god only watch earth?) i believe in ghosts, but i can't explain why, i don't believe in a soul, i don't even believe (anymore) that ghosts are actually 'there' i think of them more as a fragment in time.... most ghost stories are always the same thing "this certain ghost <insertname> haunts this place, and does this particular act over and over and over" that makes me believe that ghosts aren't actually even there, but through the perfect conditions, you are just watching the past.... kind of like a scratched cd... or broken record, where it keeps repeating the same ammount of time on the disc over and over (hope that makes sense)

[GhostFace2K]

if it were that big, wouldn't we be seeing more and more ghosts/spirits wandering around as time goes on (more and more livingthings die) i just find it really hard to believe, that if there is a special place all dead people go, that we wouldn't find evidence of it, especially after everything that's died in the ammount of time 'time' has started (if god created everything, and there might be more and more planets out there, wouldn't that also mean they are subject to the same things, or does this god only watch earth?) i believe in ghosts, but i can't explain why, i don't believe in a soul, i don't even believe (anymore) that ghosts are actually 'there' i think of them more as a fragment in time.... most ghost stories are always the same thing "this certain ghost <insertname> haunts this place, and does this particular act over and over and over" that makes me believe that ghosts aren't actually even there, but through the perfect conditions, you are just watching the past.... kind of like a scratched cd... or broken record, where it keeps repeating the same ammount of time on the disc over and over (hope that makes sense)

well i actually like ur thoughts on ghosts.... but as far as dead spirits accumulating as the world gets older... i think reincarnation handles that pretty well... Let's just say that there were a set number of souls or spirits or consciouses or whatever at the beginning of time... if the majority of those souls are reincarnated, there wouldn't be a large number of ghosts/spirits/souls accumulating because they are re-entering earth and life as a new body, but an old soul... that's why some people say "oh man he's so young at heart, but such an old soul" because i think some characteristics of souls (personality traits and such) are also reborn when a soul enters rebirth... and as for ghosts, i think every once in a while a soul gets lost on the path to reincarnation so they kind of get stuck in limbo... that's why a lot of psychics say that they're "lost souls"... because they're trying to find there way back into the cycle of death/birth and they've got lost somewhere along the way

[slipknotpsycho]

well i actually like ur thoughts on ghosts.... but as far as dead spirits accumulating as the world gets older... i think reincarnation handles that pretty well... Let's just say that there were a set number of souls or spirits or consciouses or whatever at the beginning of time... if the majority of those souls are reincarnated, there wouldn't be a large number of ghosts/spirits/souls accumulating because they are re-entering earth and life as a new body, but an old soul... that's why some people say "oh man he's so young at heart, but such an old soul" because i think some characteristics of souls (personality traits and such) are also reborn when a soul enters rebirth... and as for ghosts, i think every once in a while a soul gets lost on the path to reincarnation so they kind of get stuck in limbo... that's why a lot of psychics say that they're "lost souls"... because they're trying to find there way back into the cycle of death/birth and they've got lost somewhere along the way

ok with that said, i think it's safe to say the population of the world has more than quadrupled in the last 1000 years... where did all these new souls come from to begin with? if there was only a set ammount of souls, and they just contine being reincarnated into bodies how could you explain a constantly expanding population worldwide?

[slipknotpsycho]

before this turns into some argument/heated debate let me state once and for alli don't calim to have all the answers, nor do i think i even have one of them... i'm just merely here (this thread) to hypothetically (i guess is the word) discuss what things COULD be, not how they are, i used to believe in reincarnation, but even if you do, there's still millions of bodies out there, that couldn't possibly have been reincarnated, well atleast reincarnated with a soul that came from earth...

[GhostFace2K]

ok with that said, i think it's safe to say the population of the world has more than quadrupled in the last 1000 years... where did all these new souls come from to begin with? if there was only a set ammount of souls, and they just contine being reincarnated into bodies how could you explain a constantly expanding population worldwide?

well first you have to understand reincarnation.... reincarnation includes EVERYTHING... you can be reincarnated to an animal or a tree or anything that is living.... so with that said... while human population is on the rise, notice how every other species population is declining. Forests are declining, animals are declining, etc etc etc.... which means all the old souls that used to be animals and tree spirits have now become human beings... and as a result there are less spirits (or souls or whatever u wanna call it) available to serve as other non-human life forms...

[slipknotpsycho]

well i can't say too much to that now can i? lol....

wait, so everytime you plant a tree, someone/something dies? o.0

[GhostFace2K]

well i can't say too much to that now can i? lol....

wait, so everytime you plant a tree, someone/something dies? o.0

i'd say it works out about right... or maybe a soul finds it's way out of limbo?

[BizzleLuvin]

two words: TUCK EVERLASTING

[GhostFace2K]

two words: TUCK EVERLASTING

i'm guessing it's a movie... do they address these topics?

[MyMARYJANE]

i wuld not wanna cease to exist- i would rather live forever and ever
plus, heaven cant suck and wont get boring! why do you think they call it heaven? aha
mayb theres always something to do and once your in heaven all your problems, bad feelings and all bad shit is supposed to be gone. you wont get bored, or angry, sad, sick etc. all you feel is happiness and everything good that you enjoyed in life=heaven
this is what i think it's like and if it is, then thats sweeeet

[GhostFace2K]

i wuld not wanna cease to exist- i would rather live forever and ever
plus, heaven cant suck and wont get boring! why do you think they call it heaven? aha
mayb theres always something to do and once your in heaven all your problems, bad feelings and all bad shit is supposed to be gone. you wont get bored, or angry, sad, sick etc. all you feel is happiness and everything good that you enjoyed in life=heaven
this is what i think it's like and if it is, then thats sweeeet

yeah i guess that would be pretty sweet... but if u think about it... it'd be like a fake "sweetness" lol... like you're not happy cuz something good happened, ur happy cuz ur supposed to be... u know what i mean? u know how they say the only way to truely appreciate joy is to know what pain feels like... the only way to truely understand how good it is to be happy, u have to know what it's like to feel sad... to know what it's like to live without pain you have to experience pain.... do u think u will at least remember what pain and sadness feel like when you're in heaven?

[Highness]

actually thats just an ultamatomists point of view the feeling of happy and sad are very seperate and you can feel one with out knowing what the other feels like , only thing with what your saying that holds true is how pain makes you appreciate pleasure more when you reach it, however I dont see how it could dilute the actual sensation itself of happiness. Its like when your on good X you can try with all your might to think of and feel something painful and as soon as you do it just dissolves away into pleasure and good feelings.

I mean we all have our own Ideas of heaven and I really do stand strong in my feelings and beleief that at some point in time each and everyone of us will be able to coexist and each have his or her heaven exactly the way it is meant to be within themselves..

Think about this, My idea of what it would take to achieve a perfect worl...or heaven...in a word.

We must first all understand the power of creation, think of it why did the power of creation create the world we live in , the universe, hell everything that is on everylevel and then leave it all in such an unabundant state of existence.
To me the power of creation as powerful as it is why not will it endlessy create whatever is needed no matter what is needed for eac and every individual. lets say like each and everyone of us would have exactly what we wanted and if creation would just activate again there would be no need to take or steal from another tio have what you want you would just get it from the power of creation.

There would also have to be like a universal , cosmic law something along the lines of gravity but this would be perfect justice instead. lets just say even if we could have everything we wanted without having to slave for it or take it from another and the world would be perfect this way...well lets just say one guy even though he has everything hes is still an asshole at heart and wants to take anothers stuff just to cause pain or hurt well thats when the law of perfect justice would kick in...and no not delivered by a man or someone else that is iperfect in his opinions, This law would instantly cause anyone great unending hellish pain if they even attempted to take from another against that persons will. would that not be the perfect law? . no more relying on the criminalistic law we have now but a unchangeanble law of cosmic force that no man could alter.

Only then will the world be perfect and no more wars to fight cuz creation would give us everything we want and need. And then we could all just share ourselves as experiences adn to do that it would take the consent of both parties to allow the experience to happen, no more worries of some guy that likes to be strong and tuff and fight, wanting to have that experience with a smaller person that has no interest in fighting, yet the power of each individual could not be swayed by another reguardless of size or power in case both parties consented.

Imagine the word no being pwerful enough to stop anything you didnt want to happen against your will, no fighting no arguing just NO and that would be it.
The smallest creatures or man could coexists on whatever level he/she/it wanted to without fear of being manipulated.

This is the heaven I want this is the perfection that everyone wants because there is no loop hole in it , no ultamatoms or sacrafices...its perfectly good without any flaws, if it will happen as I have stated...nothing could go wrong cause everything is covered completely without neglect to any degree or perspective. Only the power of creation and the freedom and ability to use it is all we need.

I mean you could have one guy his dream be a house on a hill with white picket fence, kids and a big truck in the drive...he steps out on his front lawn and see a guy flying by through the air and is amazed at what he sees is possible....but neither of either guys reality will cancel out the others just because on doesnt want what the other has.

Thats what we have today this thing that says oh wait your dreams arent as big or as good as mione so guess what yours dont get to come true,, this is all bullshit AND i MEAN IT FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART....

Noone be it he/she/it has the right or power to say what can and cannot be for another when it comes to this subject. For if they say you do not deserve or cannot exist because what you are is not what they are then they themseleves deserve to suffer there own judgement of foolishness.

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I wonder what would have happened had we named it "Prussia" instead of "Heaven"...

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