Put your money where your mouth is

[Gumby]

$1,000,000 - there you guys go... for everyone who thinks it was terrorists and not Bush... ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!

So, have at it and let me know when you get that $1,000,000 ok? HA HA HA... THIS SHIT IS ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN!!! anyone wanna take a bet on wether or not Bush will stay in office 3 more years??

http://www.reopen911.org/Contest.htm

[Bong30]

I will bet you he will be in office 2.5 years.....

We are going to hand Iran their asses and we will need a strong commander and chief..... not some wuss.

[Gumby]

i'll be more than happy to take that bet...

how's that million Bong?? you win it yet?? I know you know the truth, right... you know what happened...

And if you honestly think that we can fight Iran you're a lot dumber than I thought... you're the same dumbass who thought we could blow Iraq up too weren't you?? Bong I thought you were waking up a little. I mean you siad you had a daughter, just think about her would you... that's fucked up that you would raise a kid like that, want them to live in a war state, fearing for her life everyday. You really think if we fight Iran they are not going to come over here... maybe you're so ignorant because you haven't seen war, is that it... since it's over there you don't care... well, wait till people start dying around you... wait till your daughter asks why you hate someone so much you can kill them... What are you going to tell her?? We needed a guy with balls in charge hunny cause I have none... is that it?? We needed a moron in charge who already fucked up two wars, I thought the third time he'd get it right?? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA TELL HER?? I don't give a shit what you think about me... I know how you fell about that... but if you can have a kid and think the way you do I honestly just feel sorry for you now...

[Bong30]

We have apretty good record kicking thier asses......



Operation Praying Mantis was the 18 April 1988 action waged by U.S. naval forces in retaliation for the Iranian mining of an American warship.

The 14 April mining nearly sank the guided missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts, which was sailing in the Persian Gulf as part of Operation Earnest Will, the 1987-88 convoy missions in which U.S. warships escorted reflagged Kuwaiti oil tankers to protect them from Iranian attacks. By the time the Roberts was towed to Dubai on 15 April, battered but saved with no loss of life, U.S. planning for the retaliatory operation had already begun in Washington and in the Middle East.

The battle, the largest between surface forces since World War II, sank two Iranian warships and as many as six armed speedboats. The attack by the U.S. may have helped pressure Iran to agree to a ceasefire with U.S-backed Iraq later that summer, ending the eight-year conflict between the Persian Gulf neighbors.

Contents [hide]
1 The battle
2 U.S. naval order of battle
3 See also
4 External links
5 Further reading



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The battle
On 18 April 1988, the Americans responded with several groups of surface warships, plus airplanes from the carrier USS Enterprise. The action began with coordinated strikes by two surface groups. One group, consisting of two destroyers and the amphibious transport dock USS Trenton, attacked the Sassan oil platform while the other, which included a guided missile cruiser and two frigates, attacked the Sirri oil platform. U.S. Marines from Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF 2-88) fast-roped onto the Sassan platform, gathered intelligence, and set explosives to disable it.

Iran responded by dispatching Boghammar speedboats to attack various targets in the Persian Gulf, including an American-flagged supply ship and a Panamanian-flagged ship. After these attacks, A-6E Intruder aircraft from VA-95 were vectored in on the speedboats by an American frigate. The aircraft dropped Rockeye cluster bombs on the speedboats, sinking one and damaging several others.

Action continued to escalate. Joshan, an Iranian Combattante II Kaman-class fast attack craft, challenged USS Wainwright (CG-28) and her surface group. The American ships responded to the challenge by sinking Joshan. Fighting continued when the Iranian frigate Sabalan departed Bandar Abbas and challenged elements of an American surface group. She was observed by two VA-95 A-6Es while they were flying surface combat air patrol for USS Joseph Strauss (DDG-16).

Sahand launched missiles at the A-6Es, and the Intruders replied with launches of two Harpoons and four laser-guided Skipper bombs. This was followed by a Harpoon firing from Joseph Strauss. The weapons delivered against Sahand were successful.

Fires blazing on her decks eventually reached her magazines, resulting in an explosion that led to her sinking. Despite the loss of Sahand, one of Iran's most modern ships, the Iranian navy continued to fight. A sister ship, Sabalan, departed her port for operations in the Persian Gulf. She fired on several A-6Es from VA-95 with a surface-to-air missile. One of the Intruders responded with a laser-guided bomb that hit Sabalan and stopped her dead in the water. The Iranian frigate was taken in tow by an Iranian tug with the stern partially submerged. VA-95's aircraft, as ordered, did not continue the attack.

USS Simpson (FFG-56) and USS Bagley (FF-1069) were present when the USS Wainwright (CG-28) was attacked by a AGM-84 Harpoon missile from the Iranian guided missile gunboat Joshan. The Wainwright bridge reported the missile traveled about 50 feet above the water as it passed down the starboard side before being spoofed by chaff from the Wainwright. Wainwright and Simpson hit back with four missiles. Bagley responded by firing one Harpoon. The 3 ships then closed on the burning remains and sunk Joshan with 5" and 76mm gunfire. An Iranian frigate, Sahand, was destroyed in the operation as well. The frigate Sabalan was damaged minutes before the Americans halted the operation.

By the end of the operation elements of the American fleet had damaged Iranian naval and intelligence facilities on two inoperable oil platforms in the Persian Gulf, and sank at least six armed Iranian speedboats. Sabalan was repaired in 1989 and has since been upgraded, and is still in service with the Iranian navy. In short, Iran lost one major warship and a smaller gunboat. Damage to the oil platforms was eventually repaired and they are now back in service.

The U.S. side took only two casualties: the aircrew of a Marine Corps AH-1T Sea Cobra gunship. The Cobra, attached to the USS Trenton, was flying reconnaissance from the Wainwright and crashed sometime after dark about 15 miles southwest of Abu Musa island. The bodies of Capt. Stephen C. Leslie, 30, of New Bern, N.C., and Capt. Kenneth W. Hill, 33, of Thomasville, N.C., were recovered by Navy divers in May, and the wreckage of the helicopter was raised later that month. Navy officials said it showed no sign of battle damage, though the aircraft could have crashed while trying to evade Iranian fire.


They have 7 million suicide bombers ready to go..... im glad we have more ammo:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

once agian you do nothing but prove how dumb you really are... 1988... the internet was almost new in 1988 yet you think the war is going to be the same?? You think nothing has changed?? Did you not see their weapons they showed off last week??

I just hope they kill you first... the best part about war is that people who fight it are those that think killing people solves things, so it's them who die first... the sad part is people like you who aren't fighting yet are more than willing to send Americans over there to die. If you're so ready to kill them you should be over there fighting... you should be on the front line ready to die... until then shut up...

[Bong30]

I just hope they kill you first..... until then shut up...

defensive much? proven wrong much? clueless much?

CLASSLESS................YES

[Bong30]

This what debate is Gumby just incase you didnt know ill highligt the items important to you....

Other forms of debate

Online debating
With the increasing popularity and availability of the Internet to people, different opinions arise frequently. This paved the way for more formal debating websites, typically in the form of online forums or bulletin boards. The debate style is interesting, as research and well thought out points and counterpoints are possible because of the obvious lack of time restraints (although practical time restraints usually are in effect, e.g., no more than 5 days between posts, etc.). Many people use this to strengthen their points, or drop their weaker opinions on things, many times for debate in formal debates (such as the ones listed above) or for fun arguments with friends. The ease-of-use and friendly environments make new debaters welcome to share their opinions in many communities. Examples of online debating websites are shown in the external links.

Research= all those damn article i post

Debate and argumentation theory
All forms of debate, whether consciously or not, make certain assumptions about argumentation theory. The core concept of argumentation theory is the notion of advocacy. In most cases, at least one side in a debate needs to maintain the 'truth' of some proposition or advocate some sort of personal or political change or action. A debate could also potentially be between two or more competing propositions or actions. Or debate could also be a purely performative exercise of charisma and emotion with no assumption of fixed advocacy, but it would possibly lose much of its coherence and educational value. On the other hand, evolving and changing advocacies or no advocacies at all might be liberating and permit true advancement and understanding through debate. The variety of different debate forms and activities have different understandings about the nature and limits of advocacy, and different activities have different expectations about whether argumentation theory in relation to advocacy can be challenged within a competitive debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate#Online_debating

Gumby you are so easy...its like debating with a 15 year old.... ohh wait;)

[Gumby]

once again you pulled crap...i know what a debate is... that's not what i'm trying to tell you... i'm telling you your research is crap... that's not research it's a google search... you did it again to find the defintion of debate... that's what's pathetic about you... you think google is research... research and using sources is when you take time to read something, learn about it, draw personal conculsions and then use your source to defend your conclusion... not google your key word and copy and paste... that's ignorence, try looking up that word.... but I am glad that you noticed you can search for the key word 'debate' and then click on the defintion after you do so... who's on the 15 year old level??

[Gumby]

by the way, what are you doing with that million??? education??

still don't see why you spend so much time trying to change my mind though, I'm not gonna give you $1,000,000... so, go... make that million then come back here and let us know how you did it... then you can tell me how to debate

[Gumby]

Just wondering what you've been up to with that million dollars Bong?? Let me know ok... funny how quickly you stopped talking about that...

[Bong30]

Million dollars......what about it?


i just got tierd of proving you wrong, and listening to you pull your foot out of you mouth.

im here......

[Gumby]

what did yuo do with it is what I'm wondering... you took a long time to disprove the video i posted... just wondering why you have that much time... wondering how that million you got is going is all... I know you're here, but the way I see it is that you aren't talking about it because I found someone to stake A MILLION DOLLARS on what I'm saying and you know that you have nothing. You don't even have to stake anything, just prove me/him wrong and you get a million... just seems to me that if you offered me a million to defend something I believe I'd do it or change my mind...

so... did you do it or did you change you mind?? :)