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Fabolous
04-19-2006, 05:22 AM
I find this Video Explains it all.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

Shows how truthful our Government is.

likemclever
04-19-2006, 05:24 AM
*cough* political fourm

king kong bong
04-19-2006, 08:43 AM
waste of time...

Bong30
04-19-2006, 01:27 PM
I find this Video Explains it all.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

Shows how truthful our Government is.


Itâ??s like using Mickey moore for a reference.....SLANTED MUCH? Yup


I could start a production company make a film to say the exact opposite of that..... ITâ??S A MOVIE for entertainment

Gumby
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
it's is the movie that started me to think.. but if you really want proof and movies that explain it a little more in depth watch the longer ones, like loose change and 9/11 eyewitness... there is a BYU professor who also has a 2 hour lecture online about it... i'll try to find that link, but it's been a while...

My question is to all of those who don't believe- why do you think that since you don't believe in it, it is wrong or a waste of time? What makes you omnicient? and how do you know the truth, I have yet to have anyone explian to me how one of the movies is wrong.

Just explain to me how the hole got to the third wall of the pentagon...
Explain where the engines went...
Explain how the same plane could hit a 110 story build and turn it into dust, yet hardly knock down a complete section of the pentagon...
And pleaes tell me why the videos of the attack, or any information of that plane have been released....

(Am I suppose to believe that there is over 30 minutes of cell phone calls from flight 93, yet none from the other three planes? And no black box has been found? That's the first time in history since they were invented, and just happens that six of them are lost on the same day... when the fuck does irony turn into lying for you all??

Fabolous
04-19-2006, 02:49 PM
Itâ??s like using Mickey moore for a reference.....SLANTED MUCH? Yup


I could start a production company make a film to say the exact opposite of that..... ITâ??S A MOVIE for entertainment
are you a dumb ass or where you drop on your head as a baby?

Man, is it that hard to believe the government lied and is hiding Thing's, it's 100% true of what the Flash Movie says, when a plane hits it doesn't explode into nothing but ash, and then produce a hole the perfectly around,

And on top of that no plane can travel that low at those speeds, hell that was way to fast for a plane to hit that building.

And what Michael Moore was saying in his Movie was 100% true as well.

Psycho4Bud
04-19-2006, 04:08 PM
I've seen the video, good for entertainment purposes but that's about it in my eyes....I just have a hard time finding credibility when you got the heavy Nazi music in the background. If the evidence is that compelling you shouldn't really need the sound effects.

As far as Fahrenhiet 911, you may want to read this over.
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Gumby
04-19-2006, 04:23 PM
you mean the music in the background is the reason why you don't believe what they say?? That's stupid...

By the way if you really wanna talk about Nazi tactics look at Bush, he prances around in his military uniforms whenever he is with troops... Um, he was discharged... and his face is everywhere, much like Hitler, and all the other dictators...

amazing you can use 'nazi tactics' to defend Bush... that's great... here's the REAL nazi tactics...

http://pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-3842.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8439228734279462200&q=jfk

Psycho4Bud
04-19-2006, 04:29 PM
you mean the music in the background is the reason why you don't believe what they say?? That's stupid...

When I first saw that movie it did make me ask questions, and I did my research and found that there were alot of flaws in their story. Like I said, good entertainment and thats about it. As far as the links, WHY is it that these movies all last for hours? I just got done watching one of blackdogs for 1hr20min. Only so much time in a day and I haven't even gotten high yet!!!:)

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Myth1184
04-19-2006, 05:07 PM
this has been shown and shown and debunked and debunked all over the internet.

Bong30
04-19-2006, 07:39 PM
this has been shown and shown and debunked and debunked all over the internet.

Yes, but our youth are so brain washed by a left leaning antiamerican public education system. I fear we are doomed. We need a balance of both sides and let them make the dicision.


An Overland High School geography teacher was put on leave Wednesday while Cherry Creek Schools investigates whether he violated district policy that requires balanced viewpoints in the classroom.
Jay Bennish, who teaches 10th grade world geography, is being investigated for making biased, anti-President Bush comments in class during a discussion of the State of the Union speech last month.

"These are serious allegations and we're very concerned about it," said Tustin Amole, spokeswoman for Cherry Creek Schools. "This does not reflect the type of teaching that we want to see in Cherry Creek school district."

Bennish could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.

On Feb. 1, Bennish, who has been at Overland High School since the fall of 2000, had a discussion in his class about the State of the Union address.

Sean Allen, a student in the class, taped the discussion, in which Bennish made a number of unfavorable comments about Bush that upset Allen's father.

"He said that some people may compare (Bush) to Hitler," Amole said.

The school district did not learn about Bennish's lecture until last Wednesday, when it received an e-mail about it from an out-of-state person who had seen an online column on it written by Walter Williams on www.townhall.com, Amole said. That same day, Allen's father also called the principal of Overland High School to complain about the teacher, and the complaint was forwarded to the district, which began its investigation.

"After listening to the tape, it's evident the comments in the class were inappropriate," Amole said. "There were not adequate opportunities for opposing points of view."

Allen's father apparently gave a copy of the taped discussion to KOA radio host Mike Rosen, who did a show on the subject Wednesday.

Since then, a number of parents have called the school about Bennish's remarks, both in support and in opposition.

Amole said that Bennish told school officials he had received threats as a result of the controversy.

Amole said that the ensuing brouhaha over Bennish's lecture has become disruptive to the school, which led to Bennish's being put on leave Wednesday.

"We felt it was better for all concerned if he was out of class," she said. "This is not a punishment at this point."

In the meantime, the district is investigating whether Bennish violated its policy on teaching about controversial and sensitive subjects, and has reminded teachers about the policy. "We do want teachers to express their opinions, but to put that in context and to provide opposing points of view," Amole said. "All discussion must be fair and balanced."

District officials have been talking to Bennish and his students as part of the investigation.

"We want to find out all the facts, what other students have to say about it, whether there have been other incidents," Amole said.

Amole said the district hopes to complete its investigation of Bennish this week.

Apparently, this is not the first time he has been in hot water over comments made in class, according to Amole.

A few years ago, another student complained about remarks Bennish made in class. In that case, Bennish met with the parent and the school principal, and the issue was resolved without district intervention.

Sean Allen is a hero.....

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4508296,00.html

Psycho4Bud
04-19-2006, 07:51 PM
Yes, but our youth are so brain washed by a left leaning antiamerican public education system. I fear we are doomed. We need a balance of both sides and let them make the dicision.

I was angry at that age too. It passes in time and things get a little more in focus.

budright03
04-19-2006, 09:00 PM
When I first saw that movie it did make me ask questions, and I did my research and found that there were alot of flaws in their story. Like I said, good entertainment and thats about it. As far as the links, WHY is it that these movies all last for hours? I just got done watching one of blackdogs for 1hr20min. Only so much time in a day and I haven't even gotten high yet!!!:)

Have a good one!:thumbsup:


Psycho.. if there were a lot of flaws in the movie, could you please list just a couple of these flaws so that I dont become brain washed by a left leaning antiamerican public education system...........

postmandave
04-19-2006, 09:05 PM
yes psycho would you lie to let me in on them.You know me always like both sides of the story.the Postman.

Bong30
04-19-2006, 09:36 PM
Psycho,
In colorado you could go from overland HS to CU and have this point of view put on you from 15-25. When do we get a chance to deprogram.

Ward LeRoy Churchill (born October 2, 1947) is an American writer, activist, and academic. He is a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and author of over twenty books and hundreds of essays. In addition to his academic writing, Churchill has written for several general readership magazines of political opinion.

Churchill was widely discussed and criticized in the mass media during 2005, stimulated by publicity given to a 2001 essay in which Churchill questioned the innocence of many of the people killed in the World Trade Center attacks, labeling them as "technocrats" and "little Eichmanns."[1]

Great Spirit
04-19-2006, 09:41 PM
I've seen the video, good for entertainment purposes but that's about it in my eyes....I just have a hard time finding credibility when you got the heavy Nazi music in the background. If the evidence is that compelling you shouldn't really need the sound effects.

As far as Fahrenhiet 911, you may want to read this over.
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

Have a good one!:thumbsup:I totally believe this video. It is in "plain site" no pun intended that our government was a conspirator to 9/11, but it is really the Elite and rich ass people that hold power who are the real culprit. Apprently it is becoming to expensive to maintain society, so they figure they'll play Nature and wipe the people they don't like off the Earth.

Sad isn't it. Money talks. Too bad they'll be getting something they didn't expect!

Bong30
04-19-2006, 10:14 PM
I totally believe this video.
That is the funnies thing i have herd....NO shit huh GS you believe this?

MODS....dont count his last post........hahahahahha

Gumby
04-20-2006, 12:11 AM
Psycho,
In colorado you could go from overland HS to CU and have this point of view put on you from 15-25. When do we get a chance to deprogram.

Ward LeRoy Churchill (born October 2, 1947) is an American writer, activist, and academic. He is a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and author of over twenty books and hundreds of essays. In addition to his academic writing, Churchill has written for several general readership magazines of political opinion.

Churchill was widely discussed and criticized in the mass media during 2005, stimulated by publicity given to a 2001 essay in which Churchill questioned the innocence of many of the people killed in the World Trade Center attacks, labeling them as "technocrats" and "little Eichmanns."[1]


Churchill is one of the smartest men alive and students have created a waiting list to get into his class... He has completely explained his feelings and defended them with the upmost intellegence. Just because someone says something you do not agree with doesn't mean they are an idiot. Maybe if you were not ashamed to believe what you do you would not feel the need to attack those who do not feel the same. Just as Hitler was a brilliant man and we should learn as much from his as we can. Does that mean we need to kill all the Jews and create a dominate race, hell no... But it does mean we should learn about it so it doesn't happen again.

It really pisses me off when you attack people who don't feel like you do, and yet you seem to be fighting for American. IF you heard anything Churchill actually said rather than find a single quote you'd understand you're an idiot. He is fighting for america... for the freedom to say what he wants to say and profess his knowledge to those who would like to listen... The freedoms our country was founded on.

But instead people like you get pissed off because they do not see the world as you do and instead of taking the chance of being wrong you attack... Just tell me this then, what do you feel is correct to teach in schools and why do you think the government should be in charge of what we learn? If you don't like what he says, don't listen... he'll stop talking... it's not that hard.

This is a free contry where people have the right to say what they want to say, act like they want to act and profess what they want to profess... that's why we live in a FREE country. As long as he harms no one, and I have yet to hear a speech inwhich he attacks someone anymore than you do here, he should be free to speak whatever the hell he wants... have you ever thought that people may not want him to talk because he speaks the truth and not because he's just some random guy? I mean how ignorant must you be... but please find another stupid irrational reference to defend what you say... I love reading all your articles from a year ago...

Gumby
04-20-2006, 12:13 AM
Oh ya, and the first video is only 30 min... but I'm sure you're gonna get mad after the first minute or two and pretend the rest doesn't matter and nothing else in it is true... so don't even bother looking at it...

Fabolous
04-20-2006, 12:11 PM
Man i tell yea, just because some music in the background people wouldn't believe it, it was suppose to be a eye catcher to you would pay attention, there's no flaws. And i just don't get why people think that the government never lied back the attacks. i mean come on is it really hard to believe this? hell even in Iraq the government is hiding shit. specially to what there doing to the prisoners ect ect.

It's call ignorants, and to many people have in this Country.

And not to get to far off topic but, there some proof spreading around where the government was link to the whole Katrina Destruction, if you think about it. There's no one on the lands that where hit the hardest, if those lands don't get repopulated with in a certain time limit it then becomes Government land. Heaven know what they wanna do there if true. :confused:

Gumby
04-20-2006, 12:27 PM
I don't know abuot causing Katrina's damage, but they we're involved in not repairing it and getting help down there... I've been hit be hurricanes all my life and know when any big hurricane came through my city we had help that day. We even had help for Katrina... New Orleans was filled wil poor people who didn't work... they didn't help the government raise any money, so they didn't help them.

By the way, to change the topic a little bit more... did you watch the news last night?? The Oklahoma City Bomber is coming clean and saying how it was a cover up and people from the government were involved... debunk that one...

Fabolous
04-20-2006, 12:29 PM
i would suggest taken a look at this website, if you don't want the Music with the nice effect go here, there's more then enough evidence here that shows they there was no plane involved
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pentagon/spencer05.htm

I find this pic below funny, it shows if there was a plane it would have had to go that low at that angel traveling more the 450+MPH (This is off the website)

Fabolous
04-20-2006, 12:31 PM
By the way, to change the topic a little bit more... did you watch the news last night?? The Oklahoma City Bomber is coming clean and saying how it was a cover up and people from the government were involved... debunk that one...
I did not, but strangely it does not surprise me :rolleyes: .

Gumby
04-20-2006, 12:42 PM
man it was good... said he was sick of hiding the truth and was going to say something late last year... but then they caught his kid and put him in jail... they interviewed the kid last night and said the FBI followed him and that his dad is threatening to come out with the truth... I just hope people believe him when he talks, but I'm sure americans will ignore it and move on pretending we live in a great world...

I always wondered how the Nazi's could believe in Hitler and Kill all those people... I mean I could understand how a few of them could want that much power, but the regular population... how could they look blindly at the situation and not do anything... but now I'm beging to understand... they acted just like americans are acting right now... as long as it doesn't matter to them it doesn't matter...

Our united states of america
Has quickly become a global empire
Come on
See it now for what it really is
Power hungry with nothing much to give
And violent, all in the name of freedom
Freedom is not domination
I believe freedom has got to come from within
Yes it does
And without the gun
Freedom's the ability to feel love for everyone
The empire controls the media
And media controls the world
Come on
Media is the empire's mouth
Capitalist propaganda coming out
And violence, all in the name of freedom
Freedom is not competition
I believe that freedom's got to come from within
Yes it does
Not with the gun
Freedom's the ability to feel love for everyone

Miss Green
04-20-2006, 01:00 PM
Yes, but our youth are so brain washed by a left leaning antiamerican public education system. I fear we are doomed. We need a balance of both sides and let them make the dicision.


An Overland High School geography teacher was put on leave Wednesday while Cherry Creek Schools investigates whether he violated district policy that requires balanced viewpoints in the classroom.
Jay Bennish, who teaches 10th grade world geography, is being investigated for making biased, anti-President Bush comments in class during a discussion of the State of the Union speech last month.

"These are serious allegations and we're very concerned about it," said Tustin Amole, spokeswoman for Cherry Creek Schools. "This does not reflect the type of teaching that we want to see in Cherry Creek school district."

Bennish could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.

On Feb. 1, Bennish, who has been at Overland High School since the fall of 2000, had a discussion in his class about the State of the Union address.

Sean Allen, a student in the class, taped the discussion, in which Bennish made a number of unfavorable comments about Bush that upset Allen's father.

"He said that some people may compare (Bush) to Hitler," Amole said.

The school district did not learn about Bennish's lecture until last Wednesday, when it received an e-mail about it from an out-of-state person who had seen an online column on it written by Walter Williams on www.townhall.com, Amole said. That same day, Allen's father also called the principal of Overland High School to complain about the teacher, and the complaint was forwarded to the district, which began its investigation.

"After listening to the tape, it's evident the comments in the class were inappropriate," Amole said. "There were not adequate opportunities for opposing points of view."

Allen's father apparently gave a copy of the taped discussion to KOA radio host Mike Rosen, who did a show on the subject Wednesday.

Since then, a number of parents have called the school about Bennish's remarks, both in support and in opposition.

Amole said that Bennish told school officials he had received threats as a result of the controversy.

Amole said that the ensuing brouhaha over Bennish's lecture has become disruptive to the school, which led to Bennish's being put on leave Wednesday.

"We felt it was better for all concerned if he was out of class," she said. "This is not a punishment at this point."

In the meantime, the district is investigating whether Bennish violated its policy on teaching about controversial and sensitive subjects, and has reminded teachers about the policy. "We do want teachers to express their opinions, but to put that in context and to provide opposing points of view," Amole said. "All discussion must be fair and balanced."

District officials have been talking to Bennish and his students as part of the investigation.

"We want to find out all the facts, what other students have to say about it, whether there have been other incidents," Amole said.

Amole said the district hopes to complete its investigation of Bennish this week.

Apparently, this is not the first time he has been in hot water over comments made in class, according to Amole.

A few years ago, another student complained about remarks Bennish made in class. In that case, Bennish met with the parent and the school principal, and the issue was resolved without district intervention.

Sean Allen is a hero.....

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4508296,00.html

This is an outrage how on earth can this teacher be questioned when not only most of the american people think the same but the media and the rest of the world.Can't you see what is happening to your country?And not only the country but the rest of the world?Don't you think that sounds nazi in itself just like the book 1984 (George Orwell)where you couldn't speak out and have a different opinion.Bush puts it on you straight up in his speaches "Just like he saids if you are not with us you are against us.Doesn't that mean anything?

Fabolous
04-20-2006, 02:48 PM
This is an outrage how on earth can this teacher be questioned when not only most of the american people think the same but the media and the rest of the world.Can't you see what is happening to your country?And not only the country but the rest of the world?Don't you think that sounds nazi in itself just like the book 1984 (George Orwell)where you couldn't speak out and have a different opinion.Bush puts it on you straight up in his speaches "Just like he saids if you are not with us you are against us.Doesn't that mean anything?
Wow, you are like the 10th person i have heard the same qoute from that very same book.

I gotta read this........

Bong30
04-20-2006, 02:59 PM
This is an outrage how on earth can this teacher be questioned when not only most of the american people think the same but the media and the rest of the world.Can't you see what is happening to your country?And not only the country but the rest of the world?Don't you think that sounds nazi in itself just like the book 1984 (George Orwell)where you couldn't speak out and have a different opinion.Bush puts it on you straight up in his speaches "Just like he saids if you are not with us you are against us.Doesn't that mean anything?
Its called say it outloud,

BALANCED VIEW POINT........

Say what ever you want just try to balance it:thumbsup:

Miss Green
04-23-2006, 04:18 AM
Wow, you are like the 10th person i have heard the same qoute from that very same book.

I gotta read this........

You should read it is a great book and it does relate to today it's like he had a crystal ball and told it how it was.By the time I finished reading it i was just blown away its a great read and i'm sure your library would have it.Happy reading :stoned: :thumbsup:

Miss Green
04-23-2006, 04:28 AM
Its called say it outloud,

BALANCED VIEW POINT........

Say what ever you want just try to balance it:thumbsup:

But how is it a balanced view point when your president won't even contemplate "balanced view point"Bush only wants to hear what he wants to hear and not the other side of the story and that isn't balanced at all!