Sheen Challenges Official 9/11 Fable on National TV, w/video

[pisshead]

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/150406sheentv.htm

either the perfect collapse of building 7 was random, even though steel buildings have burned for days and not fallen...or the charges were set in the building in a matter of hours because they thought it was going to fall...or they were placed in advance, which is absolutely necessary for a perfect collapse like we saw with building 7...

not important enough to be included in the 9/11 commission report...building 7 wasn't hit by a plane and was further away than buildings closer that were actually hit by big chunks of the towers...

can the big government apologists who aren't conservative prove a building can be wired for detonation in several hours (assuming the thinking on 9/11 wasn't...oh my god, we've been attacked, we better start loading building 7 with explosives so we can 'pull' it)...or can they show 1 other example of a modern, reinforced steel building collapsing because of a few small fires in different parts of the building...in a perfecly symmetrical fashion...

just 1...that's it.

that rests with the 9/11 freedom hating muslim hijacker conspiracy theorists...

A Defiant Sheen Challenges Official 9/11 Fable on National TV
Dares Millions of Viewers to "Do [their] own research"
Prison Planet | April 15 2006 (http://prisonplanet.com/index.html)

Actor Charlie Sheen made history when he first questioned the official story of 9/11, calling it the "biggest conspiracy theory of them all."

Sheen's comments sent shockwaves across the alternative media and have been one of the biggest stories on the internet for weeks. The story also garnered prime time coverage by major news outlets including CNN, FOX News, and hundreds of newspapers worldwide.

Following his brave step into the spotlight over his 9/11 questions and the ensuing backlash of attacks and hit pieces, Sheen issued an email statement to the media demanding that he be challenged on the facts instead of junior high name-calling. Not one single mainstream media outlet has had the nerve to take Sheen up on his challenge.

Only a few days after Sheen's story broke in the mainstream press, sources within FOX News and CNN told Alex Jones off-the-record that there was a concerted effort from their companies' management to "kill" the Sheen story and to end any favorable coverage of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Producers were given this dictate despite the record high ratings and positive audience feedback that was received from coverage of the Sheen 9/11 story.

On Friday, April 14th on ABC's Jimmy Kimmel Live talk show, Sheen once again brought forward his questions about the official story to tens of millions of Americans. When asked by host Jimmy Kimmel about the statements he made on The Alex Jones radio show, Sheen succinctly remarked, "I just had questions, I had a lot of questions."

He went further, decrying the media's treatment of his statements, noting that "[the mainstream media] didn't really take a look at any of the stuff I was asking them to look at, any of the evidence or any of the stuff that generated those questions..." instead they spun it into the story of whether or not he was "qualified" to question the government.

"I felt the only real validation that I needed was being a tax paying citizen that loves my country," Sheen expressed to a powerful round of applause from the studio audience. Sheen continued, "What happed to the time in this country when we were entitled, when we had a constitutional and a God-given right to be curious about things that didn't make sense."

When asked by Kimmel what had brought him to pose his questions about the official story, Sheen replied, "I've done a lot of research," then referred to the growing number of high-profile individuals who have already bravely stepped forward to ask questions about 9/11, stating "...its not just me, its the people that have come before me - the experts and the engineers, the physicists and the scientists and the scholars, that raised a lot of these things and I took a look at their research and said yeah, it doesn't add up, a lot of it doesn't add up, hence these questions."
Before Kimmel moved the discussion to another topic, Sheen was careful to remind the audience, "There are two areas: Building 7 and the five frames from the Pentagon. Don't listen to me, do your own research."

Following the broadcast of the Jimmy Kimmel Live show, Alex Jones spoke with Sheen about his views concerning the interview. Sheen made the following statement:

"This is a landmark moment in the 9/11 Truth Movement. We have fired a flaming arrow into the heart of the myopic propaganda posing as the irrefutable official story. Come one, come all, the floodgates have opened! Reveal your patriotism."

In response Alex Jones stated, "In my 12 years of broadcast, I have broken hundreds of stories that have gained national attention, but none have captured the imagination of the people like Charlie Sheen's statements on 9/11. Universally people recognize that his courageous stand has smashed the floodgates and the tide has now turned. The 9/11 Truth Movement saw its birth over four and a half years ago and it witnessed an unprecedented infusion when Charlie Sheen spoke out. "
"The bottom line is that people resonate with Charlie Sheen's courage. The average man or woman understands that Sheen is taking a risk by saying aloud what they have only thought about in secret: 9/11 was an inside job and the foundational event for the police state growing in America and the pretext for the ongoing wars for global empire.â?�

[Bong30]

You are funny with that shit...... alex jones...hahahahahah He should have a disclaimer (for entertainment only)

Charlie sheen...........hahahahahahahhaahah i wouldnt trust him if he told me the time

[eg420ne]

So bong30 what you think happen to building 7--since you didnt debunk it

[Bong30]

i think it fell due to fire and

a version of this,

Pyroclastic flows are fluidized masses of rock fragments and gases that move rapidly in response to gravity. Pyroclastic flows can form in several different ways. They can form when an eruption column collapses, or as the result of gravitational collapse or explosion on a lava dome or lava flow (Francis, 1993 and Scott, 1989). These flows are more dense than pyroclastic surges and can contain as much as 80 % unconsolidated material. The flow is fluidized because it contains water and gas from the eruption, water vapor from melted snow and ice, and air from the flow overriding air as it moves downslope (Scott, 1989). The image on the right shows the formation of pyroclastic flows during a 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens (photo courtesy of J.M. Vallance).

Ignimbrites and nuees ardentes are two types of pyroclastic flows. An ignimbite contains mostly vesiculated material whereas a nuee ardente contains denser material (Francis, 1993). Nuee ardente means glowing cloud and was named for the pyroclastic flows seen at Mount Pelee. These flows were often accompanied by a cloud of ash elutriated from the flow. When the incadescent ash particles are observed at night, the flow looks like a glowing cloud moving away from the volcano.

Pyroclastic flows can move very fast. Small pyroclastic flows can move as fast as 10 to 30 m/s while larger flows can move at rates of 200 m/s (Bryant, 1991). Nuees ardentes have been known to extend 50 kilometers from their source and Ignimbrites, because of the lighter weight material that they carry, can extend 200 km from their source (Bryant, 1991 and Scott, 1989). At Mount Pinatubo in the Philipines, pyroclastic flow deposits were 220 m thick in some valleys but averaged 30 to 50 m thick in others (Wolfe, 1992). Pyroclastic flows have been known to top ridges 1000 m high (Bryant, 1991). The image on the left shows a pyroclastic flow descending Fuego Volcano in Guatemala (photo by W.C. Buell IV, 1974).
Click here for a movie of a pyroclastic flow at Mount Pinatubo (movie courtesy of M.T. Dolan).


Pyroclastic flows can be very hot. In fact, pyroclastic flows from Mount Pelee had temperatures as high as 1075 degrees C (Bryant, 1991)! Some Pyroclastic flows from Pinatubo had temperatures of 750 degrees C and pyroclastic flows from Mount St. Helens had temperatures of 350 degrees C ( Bryant, 1991). Such high temperature flows can burn manmade structures, vegetation, and, for those unlikely enough to be caught by then, human skin


put a little jet fuel and some other flamables there is this thing called friction heat........you guys are dumb

just admit that you guys hate bush so much you will twist physics to fit your views

[pisshead]

that explains nothing about building 7. nothing specific about building 7. certainly not why it would collapse perfectly. building 7 wasn't hit by a plane.

congratulations, you're a moron. george bush is as much a puppet as bill clinton.

[activedenial]

You laugh at Alex Jones, and I laugh at entertainment news run by five corporations. They have got you to be one of the sheep. While I listen to alex jones and the real news, you go watch nataly holloway murder case on tv, or the raped black girl by duke university students. HA HA HAAAAA!:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

i think it fell due to fire and

a version of this,

Pyroclastic flows are fluidized masses of rock fragments and gases that move rapidly in response to gravity. Pyroclastic flows can form in several different ways. They can form when an eruption column collapses, or as the result of gravitational collapse or explosion on a lava dome or lava flow (Francis, 1993 and Scott, 1989). These flows are more dense than pyroclastic surges and can contain as much as 80 % unconsolidated material. The flow is fluidized because it contains water and gas from the eruption, water vapor from melted snow and ice, and air from the flow overriding air as it moves downslope (Scott, 1989). The image on the right shows the formation of pyroclastic flows during a 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens (photo courtesy of J.M. Vallance).

Ignimbrites and nuees ardentes are two types of pyroclastic flows. An ignimbite contains mostly vesiculated material whereas a nuee ardente contains denser material (Francis, 1993). Nuee ardente means glowing cloud and was named for the pyroclastic flows seen at Mount Pelee. These flows were often accompanied by a cloud of ash elutriated from the flow. When the incadescent ash particles are observed at night, the flow looks like a glowing cloud moving away from the volcano.

Pyroclastic flows can move very fast. Small pyroclastic flows can move as fast as 10 to 30 m/s while larger flows can move at rates of 200 m/s (Bryant, 1991). Nuees ardentes have been known to extend 50 kilometers from their source and Ignimbrites, because of the lighter weight material that they carry, can extend 200 km from their source (Bryant, 1991 and Scott, 1989). At Mount Pinatubo in the Philipines, pyroclastic flow deposits were 220 m thick in some valleys but averaged 30 to 50 m thick in others (Wolfe, 1992). Pyroclastic flows have been known to top ridges 1000 m high (Bryant, 1991). The image on the left shows a pyroclastic flow descending Fuego Volcano in Guatemala (photo by W.C. Buell IV, 1974).
Click here for a movie of a pyroclastic flow at Mount Pinatubo (movie courtesy of M.T. Dolan).


Pyroclastic flows can be very hot. In fact, pyroclastic flows from Mount Pelee had temperatures as high as 1075 degrees C (Bryant, 1991)! Some Pyroclastic flows from Pinatubo had temperatures of 750 degrees C and pyroclastic flows from Mount St. Helens had temperatures of 350 degrees C ( Bryant, 1991). Such high temperature flows can burn manmade structures, vegetation, and, for those unlikely enough to be caught by then, human skin


put a little jet fuel and some other flamables there is this thing called friction heat........you guys are dumb

just admit that you guys hate bush so much you will twist physics to fit your views
Yes i do hate GWbush for the damaged he has done to America,, so a fire made building 7 collaspe in a complete CD like way..hmmm you have to try harder then that....remember the burden of proof is on you the ones who beLIEve the government official conspriacy theory...

[pisshead]

and why is it those who disagree with the freedom hating hijacking theory are held to such an impossible standard...when little evidence for the feds' theory can be given...

there were those passports though, that went through clothing and an exploding plane and a burning building, all the way to the ground with such minor damage...we were told it existed before we were told it never existed. but it was good PR at the time i guess...

[Psycho4Bud]

"Sheen's comments sent shockwaves across the alternative media and have been one of the biggest stories on the internet for weeks. The story also garnered prime time coverage by major news outlets including CNN, FOX News, and hundreds of newspapers worldwide."

If being called a nut is sending a shockwave, well I guess he sent one.:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Everybody nuts--- since my fuking high got wasted by bong30 useless post i have to roll up another one---C-yaa

[Psycho4Bud]

Everybody nuts--- since my fuking high got wasted by bong30 useless post i have to roll up another one---C-yaa

Now eg, you ask a guy with the name Psycho if he's nuts??? Kick back, do three, one for each of us....you'll definately have a new outlook on life.:thumbsup: :stoned:

[Bong30]

im going for rips too



inhale ...exhale just got an ouce in the mail................. a little cypress hill for you

[eg420ne]

Well im going to, bygod:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

There we go, and the stoner spirit wins again!!!:thumbsup: :dance: :stoned:

[smoke me smoke me]

Ya i trust my theories from Charlie Sheen, a coked up prostitute buying rich boy who grew up sucking down lines and boozin it up. Ya what a fucking genius charlie sheen is.

Come up with some shit supported by someone a little smarter than charlie sheen to help your arguements, i will take my stories from the shitty cable news over sheen anyday. Charlie Sheen lol..... who's next the dude from Charles in charge saying he saw Bush planting explosives in the twin towers.

Charlie Sheen the dude from Hot Shots! Part Deux and Men at Work trying to feed us his Hollywood coked up conspiracys and you guys believe him

[xblackdogx]

Ya i trust my theories from Charlie Sheen, a coked up prostitute buying rich boy who grew up sucking down lines and boozin it up. Ya what a fucking genius charlie sheen is.

Come up with some shit supported by someone a little smarter than charlie sheen to help your arguements, i will take my stories from the shitty cable news over sheen anyday. Charlie Sheen lol..... who's next the dude from Charles in charge saying he saw Bush planting explosives in the twin towers.

Charlie Sheen the dude from Hot Shots! Part Deux and Men at Work trying to feed us his Hollywood coked up conspiracys and you guys believe him

what does his character have to do with anything? He is asking questions. He isn't even telling you to trust this theory you claim that he has, i believe he said research yourself. you're a fucking idiot trying to support the gov't's theory by bringing him down, when you should just provide answers to what his questions are especially since the gov't's version is apparently what actually happened, it shouldn't be too hard.

and btw: there is no excuse for the WTC7 not being included in the 9/11 Commission Report. anyone that says otherwise is kidding themselves and should proceed to give money to those bullshit republican assholes you support.

[smoke me smoke me]

hey blackdog I like how you chose your name for this site after looking at a picture of your mom. A black dog

[xblackdogx]

hey blackdog I like how you chose your name for this site after looking at a picture of your mom. A black dog
oh i envy you, you must have such an easy life with that small of a brain. are you up to wiping your own ass yet?

[smoke me smoke me]

ya but im so stoned i forget the tp and use hand only. i hate when that happens, especially when i run out of handsoap.

[Jeff Spicoli]

you know what, stop calling us "sheeps" because we don't believe your america hating bullshit. if you hate our government so much, GET THE FUCK OUT. you fucking conspiracy theorists need to get new fucking hobbys.

[Oneironaut]

Charlie Sheen? Haha, as if he's a credible investigator here. I think I'll trust the scientists and firefighters on this one, but if we must play the celebrity game, we've got Penn & Teller on our side. http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/prevepisodes.do?episodeid=s3/ct

I used to buy this stuff back when I was only reading one side of the debate. But as I actually started investigating what skeptics had to say, I realized it's just about as grounded in objective evidence as the moon hoax conspiracy theory. I hate the government as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to make up lies about it. I have enough real reasons to hate it.

[eg420ne]

Charlie Sheen? Haha, as if he's a credible investigator here. I think I'll trust the scientists and firefighters on this one, but if we must play the celebrity game, we've got Penn & Teller on our side. http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/prevepisodes.do?episodeid=s3/ct

I used to buy this stuff back when I was only reading one side of the debate. But as I actually started investigating what skeptics had to say, I realized it's just about as grounded in objective evidence as the moon hoax conspiracy theory. I hate the government as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to make up lies about it. I have enough real reasons to hate it.
WoW do you fell the same way about the firemen that were in the twintowers that said they heard bombs going off

We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses."

"As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."

"Shortly after 9 o'clock ... [Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place, and then an hour after the first hit - the first crash that took place - he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.


Two WTC impacts. Three explosions reported.


One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact he thinks may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device - he thinks, he speculates - was probably planted in the building. ... But the bottom line is that he, Albert Turi, said that he probably lost a great many men in those secondary explosions, and he said that there were literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people in those towers when the explosions took place."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html

[Sinsemilla Jones]

became President!
:eek:
;)
:p

Well, I guess loser is a little strong, Sheen was in some successful movies (Wall Street, Platoon), and I don't think he got any loans from the bin Ladins to support his acting career.
;)

Of course, it goes without saying, that the only actors qualified to speak out or get involved in politics are Republicans of limited range (Ben Stein, Jack Thompson, Arnold Schwarzenegar, Ronald Reagan).
:D

Sheen has the limited range thing down, though.
:p

[Breukelen advocaat]

From YOUR link, here is a news report that shows that they knew the buildings would collapse - Mayor Giuliani was at the base of the World Trade Center ten minutes before the collapse of WTC 2.

In the following 9/11 ABC News live interview Giuliani states he was warned of the collapses:
â??I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.â?� [/FONT] http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html,



Perhaps Iâ??ve said this many times, but it bears repeating. While leaving lower Manhattan on the subway, on the morning of 9/11/01, I was told by another straphanger, who happened to be an architect, that these buildings were designed to, and would, collapse straight down if struck by a large aircraft, or faced with a similar emergency. This is exactly what happened when I arrived home and turned on the TV. The government, and the airlines, should have had the cabin doors extremely protected and locked on all flights, as does El Al Airwas. This, to me, was the biggest mistake, of all. Flights should never be diverted due to hijackers' threats. Israel has not had a successful hijacking since their planes have been equipped with better doors on the cockpits - which are always locked. They have had other security measures in place for years, including proiling. It works.



Unfriendly skies are no match for El Al

By Vivienne Walt, USA TODAY

Once you board, up to five armed undercover agents will travel with you in strategic aisle seats, ready for attack. Furthermore, like many Israelis, cabin crews are former soldiers in the Israeli military who have received combat training. The cockpit door, of reinforced steel, is locked from the inside before passengers board and is opened only after everyone has disembarked at their destination. No matter what's going on in the rest of the plane, it is never opened during flight.
Our pilots go to the bathroom," says Klieman, without confirming whether bathrooms are inside the cockpit.
Perhaps surprisingly, El Al's pilots are not armed. "I hear the American pilots want to have arms now, which I think is a bad idea," Tal says. "They could go outside the cockpit and hurt people. You cannot fly a plane and carry arms."[/FONT]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/10/01/elal-usat.htm

[Great Spirit]

you know what, stop calling us "sheeps" because we don't believe your america hating bullshit. if you hate our government so much, GET THE FUCK OUT. you fucking conspiracy theorists need to get new fucking hobbys.By hobbies, do you mean joining an earth army? We don't believe in violence where we are from. We find your world and way of life unevolved, barbaric, and has no place in the greater Galactic Community of Souls. If you do not stop, it will be your doom. It is always a tragedy for a civilization to collapse by its own accord.

Indeed they would like to leave the USA due to its treachery!! But then again, if they left you NSA people wouldn't have anyone to put in jail, and thus keep you out of work!!

You know actually every country on Earth is corrupt, because humans are evil by instinct. The USA just tries to conceal it more then others! The US government and the Elite got what they wanted on 9/11. Such a gullible people Amerikans are, and unfortunately stupid. I would question the collective wisdom of your leader if I were you.

And most of your conspiracy theories are true!!

[eg420ne]

From YOUR link, here is a news report that shows that they knew the buildings would collapse - Mayor Giuliani was at the base of the World Trade Center ten minutes before the collapse of WTC 2.

In the following 9/11 ABC News live interview Giuliani states he was warned of the collapses:
â??I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.â?� [/FONT] http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html,



Perhaps Iâ??ve said this many times, but it bears repeating. While leaving lower Manhattan on the subway, on the morning of 9/11/01, I was told by another straphanger, who happened to be an architect, that these buildings were designed to, and would, collapse straight down if struck by a large aircraft, or faced with a similar emergency. This is exactly what happened when I arrived home and turned on the TV. The government, and the airlines, should have had the cabin doors extremely protected and locked on all flights, as does El Al Airwas. This, to me, was the biggest mistake, of all. Flights should never be diverted due to hijackers' threats. Israel has not had a successful hijacking since their planes have been equipped with better doors on the cockpits - which are always locked. They have had other security measures in place for years, including proiling. It works.



Unfriendly skies are no match for El Al

By Vivienne Walt, USA TODAY

Once you board, up to five armed undercover agents will travel with you in strategic aisle seats, ready for attack. Furthermore, like many Israelis, cabin crews are former soldiers in the Israeli military who have received combat training. The cockpit door, of reinforced steel, is locked from the inside before passengers board and is opened only after everyone has disembarked at their destination. No matter what's going on in the rest of the plane, it is never opened during flight.
Our pilots go to the bathroom," says Klieman, without confirming whether bathrooms are inside the cockpit.
Perhaps surprisingly, El Al's pilots are not armed. "I hear the American pilots want to have arms now, which I think is a bad idea," Tal says. "They could go outside the cockpit and hurt people. You cannot fly a plane and carry arms."[/FONT]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/10/01/elal-usat.htm
as we all witness when the plane hit the 2nd tower a hugh gulf of fire was raging out, the jet fuel burnt up on impact, after a while you could see people in the impact area, and firefighters have said that the fires were almost out, & if thats the case why did the tower that was hit last the first to go down. And who warned Giuliani why didnt they warned the firefighters that were in the building,
Firefighters in the impact area of WTC 2 reported no inferno or failing structure immediately before the building's collapse
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_9-11_index.html

Man i sure would like to believe the government story but for some reason i cant..If only i had a time machine

[Breukelen advocaat]

as we all witness when the plane hit the 2nd tower a hugh gulf of fire was raging out, the jet fuel burnt up on impact, after a while you could see people in the impact area, and firefighters have said that the fires were almost out, & if thats the case why did the tower that was hit last the first to go down. And who warned Giuliani why didnt they warned the firefighters that were in the building,
Firefighters in the impact area of WTC 2 reported no inferno or failing structure immediately before the building's collapse
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_9-11_index.html
Man i sure would like to believe the government story but for some reason i cant..If only i had a time machine


As hard as it is for us to comprehend, firefighters are sworn to give their lives, if necessary, to save people in danger.

Chaplains were giving the Catholic ones Last Rites at the scene - because they knew that it was a suicide mission. They volunteered to do the rescue - theses are the bravest people in the world.

If we ever catch bin laden, he should be handed over to a firefighter, ANY firefighter in the world that wants to take him out, for a fight to the death. I guaranfuckingtee you that bin laden would be dead meat.

There are no braver people in the universe than firefighters - any police officer worth his/her salt will tell you that if they were looking for somebody to watch their back, they wouldn't pick another cop - they'd pick a firefighter.

I saw many of those men daily, in the firehouse across the street from the WTC complex. They are no longer alive - along with 2500 other people including firefighters, cops and rescue workers from other areas.

This is not something that I take lightly - I was there before it happened, in 1993 when they bombed it the first time, very close on 9/11, and since.

[Great Spirit]

As hard as it is for us to comprehend, firefighters are sworn to give their lives, if necessary, to save people in danger.

Chaplains were giving the Catholic ones Last Rites at the scene - because they knew that it was a suicide mission. They volunteered to do the rescue - theses are the bravest people in the world.

If we ever catch bin laden, he should be handed over to a firefighter, ANY firefighter in the world that wants to take him out, for a fight to the death. I guaranfuckingtee you that bin laden would be dead meat.

There are no braver people in the universe than firefighters - any police officer worth his/her salt will tell you that if they were looking for somebody to watch their back, they wouldn't pick another cop - they'd pick a firefighter.

I saw many of those men daily, in the firehouse across the street from the WTC complex. They are no longer alive - along with 2500 other people including firefighters, cops and rescue workers from other areas.

This is not something that I take lightly - I was there before it happened, in 1993 when they bombed it the first time, very close on 9/11, and since.You kids still are not paying attention. I'll have to repeat it again...

9/11 WAS USED TO BRING ABOUT A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP IN AMERIKA AND TO CREATE A NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

Me: "But I didn't see a plane crash into the Pentagon Fuhrer Bush!"
Bush: "Uh uh duh Happy Birthday!! I mean shut up you little freedom loving shit! How dare you question my authority as dictator of Amerika!! Yea I plotted 9/11 and I'd do it again! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

[Breukelen advocaat]

One more thing: When the winds were high, the WTC towers always swayed. Most large buildings do this.

I happen to know this, because I worked in 2 WTC years (actually decades) ago. This should give you some indication that they were not indescrutable. If the fucking WIND could cause them to move, then it's not hard to picture what a huge airliner would do to it.



P.S. The latest solo album by Donald Fagen (founding member of the group Steely Dan), pictured below, is largely a metaphor for 9/11, it's aftermath, and American society since then. I think that this is his best solo work, and may be his last solo album.

[Great Spirit]

One more thing: When the winds were high, the towers swayed. Most large buildings do this.

I happen to know this, because I worked in 2 WTC years ago. This should give you some indication that they were not indescrutable. If the fucking WIND could cause them to move, then it's not hard to picture what a huge airliner would do to it.Oh please this is total bullshit!!!! The towers would have survived an impact of a regular 757. It was the planned detonations that really brought down the towers!! Remember building 7 too and how they had to just pull it? Hmmmm???? And the other NSA guy "knew someone" who took pictures of the plane crashing into the Pentagon!

God you guys make it too easy for me to expose, I almost feel sorry for you!

[Breukelen advocaat]

Oh please this is total bullshit!!!! The towers would have survived an impact of a regular 757. It was the planned detonations that really brought down the towers!! Remember building 7 too and how they had to just pull it? Hmmmm???? And the other NSA guy "knew someone" who took pictures of the plane crashing into the Pentagon!

God you guys make it too easy for me to expose, I almost feel sorry for you!



Listen again, shithead. They KNEW that planes could knock it down, and I was told this before they collapsed. So was our Mayor, who is NOT an idiot about everything (with some things, he was). If Rudy, an experienced prosecutor who brought down many organized crime figures, does not suspect foul play, then that's pretty much a negation of your belief.

What bothers me is that you assholes here that refuse to even CONSIDER the possibility that the World Trade Center towers could have collapsed from the planes alone are "true believers" in your conspiracy theorists. That alone is enough to completely discredit your position.

You, and others like you, haven't "exposed" anything, You are a failure,and always will be. You have no past, little prospect for a good future, and your present situation is laughable. Do the right thing, and end your miserabe existence.

[Great Spirit]

Listen again, shithead. They KNEW that planes could knock it down, and I was told this before they collapsed. So was our Mayor, who is NOT an idiot about everything (with some things, he was). If Rudy, an experienced prosecutor who brought down many organized crime figures, does not suspect foul play, then that's pretty much a negation of your belief.

What bothers me is that you assholes here that refuse to even CONSIDER the possibility that the World Trade Center towers could have collapsed from the planes alone are "true believers" in your conspiracy theorists. That alone is enough to completely discredit your position.I'm sorry...all I heard was bla bla bla I'm an ignorant freedom hating fascist!

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror." - George W. Bush
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011110-3.html

[Psycho4Bud]

Listen again, shithead. They KNEW that planes could knock it down, and I was told this before they collapsed. So was our Mayor, who is NOT an idiot about everything (with some things, he was). If Rudy, an experienced prosecutor who brought down many organized crime figures, does not suspect foul play, then that's pretty much a negation of your belief.

What bothers me is that you assholes here that refuse to even CONSIDER the possibility that the World Trade Center towers could have collapsed from the planes alone are "true believers" in your conspiracy theorists. That alone is enough to completely discredit your position.

You, and others like you, haven't "exposed" anything, You are a failure,and always will be. You have no past, little prospect for a good future, and your present situation is laughable. Do the right thing, and end your miserabe existence.

Hey Breuk...remember this?

Previous Bombing


In 1993 terrorists drove a truck packed with 1,100 lbs of explosives into the basement parking garage at the World Trade Center. Despite the size of the blastâ??it left a crater 22 ft wide and five stories deepâ??only six people were killed and 1,000 injured. The towers were repaired, cleaned, and reopened in less than a month.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/wtc1.html

I recall telling the ex-wife that this would happen. The major news stations had architects, etc...all giving the plans on how the destruction of one of the towers could be accomplished and the major thing was the complete destruction of an upper tier floor causing a collapse.
Don't expect the youngsters to remember it though.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Hey Breuk...remember this?

Previous Bombing


In 1993 terrorists drove a truck packed with 1,100 lbs of explosives into the basement parking garage at the World Trade Center. Despite the size of the blastâ??it left a crater 22 ft wide and five stories deepâ??only six people were killed and 1,000 injured. The towers were repaired, cleaned, and reopened in less than a month.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/wtc1.html

I recall telling the ex-wife that this would happen. The major news stations had architects, etc...all giving the plans on how the destruction of one of the towers could be accomplished and the major thing was the complete destruction of an upper tier floor causing a collapse.
Don't expect the youngsters to remember it though.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:And 9/11 was used to bring about a fascist dictatorship!!

[Breukelen advocaat]

[QUOTE=Great Spirit]I'm sorry...all I heard was bla bla bla I'm an ignorant freedom hating fascist!

The credibly of Bush is not what I'm talking about. I don't like him very much, sometimes not at all, but do not believe that he was not indirectly responsible for 9/11. He COULD have been - I just don't think that he was.

I wouldn't mind if you guys just believed that it's possible, even probable, that he did it, by having bombs involved, but you completely ruin your argument by refusing to acquiesce to the possibility that the planes alone could do it. This is VERY bad for your argument.

Maybe there WERE bombs in the planes. That does NOT mean that the government either did it, or was aware of it.

Again, if there are any "Fascist" thinking people here, it's you and your buddies with their inflexible views.

[Great Spirit]

[QUOTE=Great Spirit]I'm sorry...all I heard was bla bla bla I'm an ignorant freedom hating fascist!

The credibly of Bush is not what I'm talking about. I don't like him very much, sometimes not at all, but do not believe that he was not indirectly responsible for 9/11. He COULD have been - I just don't think that he was.

I wouldn't mind if you guys just believed that it's possible, even probable, that he did it, by having bombs involved, but you completely ruin your argument by refusing to acquiesce to the possibility that the planes alone could do it. This is VERY bad for your argument.

Maybe there WERE bombs in the planes. That does NOT mean that the government either did it, or was aware of it.

Again, if there are any "Fascist" thinking people here, it's you and your buddies with their inflexible views.We have already been viewing the evidence for a couple years son. Face it. Your President is a lying evil murdering Hitler wannabe!!!!

[Bong30]

And 9/11 was used to bring about a fascist dictatorship!!
How is it a dictatorship when he is gone in 2 years?

[Breukelen advocaat]

Hey Breuk...remember this?.Previous Bombing
In 1993 terrorists drove a truck packed with 1,100 lbs of explosives into the basement parking garage at the World Trade Center. Despite the size of the blastâ??it left a crater 22 ft wide and five stories deepâ??only six people were killed and 1,000 injured. The towers were repaired, cleaned, and reopened in less than a month. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/wtc1.html
I recall telling the ex-wife that this would happen. The major news stations had architects, etc...all giving the plans on how the destruction of one of the towers could be accomplished and the major thing was the complete destruction of an upper tier floor causing a collapse.
Don't expect the youngsters to remember it though.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:

As for the bombng in 1993: Remember it? I was across the street when it happened! I went into the building right after the explosion - but not down below where it happened, in the garage.

If these shitheads had been there on 9/11, or had a loved one in the Towers, they'd be a lot less cavalier about their arrogant, obnoxious, uninformed, opinions.

My wife worked in one of the WTC complex buildings. I have pictures that somebody took, from the holes in the side of the building, and inside, a few days after 9/11. The whole office was covered with white powder and debris, and the windows were blown out - which I have a picture of. The wreckage was unbelievable, and I saw it in person when I went back to work. I'll scan the pictures and post them one day. They are not published anywhere, as far as I know.

These people have NO idea of what happened down there. They should be ashamed - something that they said that I should be.

Have a good one - and we'll see you in the Big Apple someday?

[Psycho4Bud]

Have a good one - and we'll see you in the Big Apple someday?

Count on it dude!:thumbsup:

Start spreading the news, I'm leaving today
I want to be a part of it - New York, New York :thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Oh yeah, my wife didn't go to work that day - she had an early morning doctor's appointment. This was lucky, because her co-workers were extremely traumatized.

One lady, a financial analyst that was a frequent guest on Bloomberg radio, and other media, saw a man that was running in front of her get cut in half by debris. She went out on disability.

Other co-workers of my wife had to take ferries behind the Trade Center complex. When the Towers collapsed, it looked like Manhattan Island was sinking. To make matters worse, there were aircraft above, ours, but they didn't know that.

Many of us had Post Traumatic Stress. Mine has worn off for the most part, but this is something that you don't forget - especially if you still work, or live, down there.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Count on it dude!:thumbsup:

Start spreading the news, I'm leaving today
I want to be a part of it - New York, New York :thumbsup:

Well, I'm sorry that we don't have room in our apartment for you to crash, but we'll DEFINITLY party! I just had some red shit that kicks ass. :dance:

We'll go to Fraunces Tavern, in lower Manhattan, which was bombed in the 70's by FALN, a P.R. terrorist group. It's historic, and there are MANY places you have to see - the military stuff, particularly regarding the Revolutionary War, alone is worth it.

[Psycho4Bud]

Well, I'm sorry that we don't have room in our apartment for you to crash, but we'll DEFINITLY party! I just had some red shit that kicks ass. :dance:

We'll go to Fraunces Tavern, in lower Manhattan, which was bombed in the 70's by FALN, a P.R. terrorist group. It's historic, and there are MANY places you have to see - the military stuff, particularly regarding the Revolutionary War, alone is worth it.

VERY cool, we'll definately be keeping in touch!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

How is it a dictatorship when he is gone in 2 years?
not arguing with the fascist part? hmm... i guess he has convinced you of something...

[Psycho4Bud]

Hey blackdog....special thanks for the kind words!!:thumbsup:

You have my respect! Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[halo]

One more thing: When the winds were high, the WTC towers always swayed. Most large buildings do this.

I happen to know this, because I worked in 2 WTC years (actually decades) ago. This should give you some indication that they were not indescrutable. If the fucking WIND could cause them to move, then it's not hard to picture what a huge airliner would do to it.



P.S. The latest solo album by Donald Fagen (founding member of the group Steely Dan), pictured below, is largely a metaphor for 9/11, it's aftermath, and American society since then. I think that this is his best solo work, and may be his last solo album.

The towers like most high rise buildings were designed to sway. If they were not allowed to sway the wind could actually knock them down.

Oh and GS, i agree with you and all but dont go hating on people just cause they don't agree with you. You have to educate people, not just spew all that stuff that you believe. Maybe try posting loose change or something so people who do not believe what you or i do will maybe see things from our perspective.

[redneck1]

you guys are spending way to much time trying to argue with a nutjob and wild conspiracies that are flowing! its kinda like peeing on a fire, just doesn't work. stop wasting your time with these idiots and go smoke another bowl!:pimp: :thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

The towers like most high rise buildings were designed to sway. If they were not allowed to sway the wind could actually knock them down.

Oh and GS, i agree with you and all but dont go hating on people just cause they don't agree with you. You have to educate people, not just spew all that stuff that you believe. Maybe try posting loose change or something so people who do not believe what you or i do will maybe see things from our perspective.

So, if you agree that the wind could knock them down, do you believe that it's simply impossible for a huge jetliner to do it, without bombs or other assistance?

[halo]

So, if you agree that the wind could knock them down, do you believe that it's simply impossible for a huge jetliner to do it, without bombs or other assistance?

No, i am saying that the buildings are designed to sway in the wind otherwise they could be damaged or fall down ( I think i heard that on history channel or something.) I do not think it is impossible, but the facts do not really add up in the official story. I mean the buildings did not even burn for 2 hours. And then they fell. WTF?!?! I could understand them collapsing if the plane somehow crashed towards the base of the building. But still that way it would not collapse the way it did. I just do not understand the floor falling on top of another floor theory. It just doesn't make sense to me. If someone will show me a case where this has happened. i.e. floor falling on top of other floors causing collapse. Then i will greatly reconsider my ideas on how the towers fell.

[Breukelen advocaat]

No, i am saying that the buildings are designed to sway in the wind otherwise they could be damaged or fall down ( I think i heard that on history channel or something.) I do not think it is impossible, but the facts do not really add up in the official story. I mean the buildings did not even burn for 2 hours. And then they fell. WTF?!?! I could understand them collapsing if the plane somehow crashed towards the base of the building. But still that way it would not collapse the way it did. I just do not understand the floor falling on top of another floor theory. It just doesn't make sense to me. If someone will show me a case where this has happened. i.e. floor falling on top of other floors causing collapse. Then i will greatly reconsider my ideas on how the towers fell.

I do not have time to attain an advanced degree in architecture, followed by years of work in the field. I'm putting my trust in people that have done this - and I met somebody like that in NYC, on the subway, shortly before the Towers fell. He predicted what would happen with pinpoint accuracy, explained the process to me quickly, and then I had to change trains.

There are other resources to check this. I have not bookmarked them, because I accepted what happened due to my experience that day. So did the Mayor, and just about everybody else involved in this tragedy - including the victims' families. But, at least you are open to the possibility that the towers fell from the impact and destruction of the crash - which is a damn sight better than some of the people here.

[eg420ne]

Wait!!!!!....has the bush administration proved to any1 what happen on 911 weres CONdi at saying they have proof, WHERE!!!!!!!!!and is not the bush administraitors guilty for not stopping the terrorist attack, bush told FBI to stand down from looking for AlCIAduh, USAma,,,Wait one more why were all the warnings ignored... its just question guys get over yourselves, i bet none of you look into the 911 you just keep the government story alive because you dont want to fuk up your thinking, but thats good though