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pisshead
04-15-2006, 03:45 AM
paying taxes to the king of spain to drive on roads that are already paid for, sounds like freedom.

of course the infrastructure for taxing us to drive by the mile has been in place for nearly a decade. it's just a coincidence.

The foolish plan to sell American toll roads to foreign companies
Slate | March 29, 2006 (http://www.slate.com/id/2138950/)
By Daniel Gross
If a governor told you there were a way to spread pork, raise funds for infrastructure investment, promote jobs, avoid raising taxes, and put a dent in the trade deficitâ??all in one fell swoopâ??you might think he had a bridge to sell you. And you'd be right. Only in this case, it's a toll road. And instead of a sale, how about a long-term lease?
Earlier this month, in a triumph for Gov. Mitch Daniels (http://www.in.gov/gov/bio/index.html), Indiana's House narrowly approved his proposal to lease the 157-mile Indiana Toll Road, which spans the northern part of the state, for $3.85 billion to a joint venture of Cintra (http://www.cintra.es/index.asp), a Spanish company, and Australia's Macquarie Bank (http://www.macquarie.com.au/au/index.html). The two companies have been active in the U.S. road business. In 2004, the two inked a 99-year lease (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/cgi-bin/a.cgi/d096tm5zEdmcEIJ61nsxIA) for the 7.8-mile elevated Chicago Skyway. Last year, Macquarie completed its acquisition (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/cgi-bin/a.cgi/bbnVhjItEdqcEIJ61nsxIA) of the Dulles Greenway (http://www.dullesgreenway.com/cgi-bin/dghome.cfm) outside Washington, D.C. And Cintra, which manages toll roads in Europe and the Americas, is a strategic partner to the Texas state government in the planned Trans-Texas Corridor (http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/). There are likely more such deals to come.
For Danielsâ??who failed to live up to his nickname (http://www.slate.com/id/2082637/) ("The Blade") when he served as director of the Office of Management and Budget in the first Bush administrationâ??the 75-year lease is an elegant solution. The state needs billions of dollars to invest in new roads. Getting the cash upfront will allow Daniels to speed up construction on needed infrastructure projects, create new jobs, and fund his Clintonian Major Moves (http://www.in.gov/gov/issues/majormoves.html) initiative. (Here's a list of projects to be funded (http://www.in.gov/gov/issues/MM_New_Projects.pdf) and a fact sheet (http://www.in.gov/gov/issues/MM_Fact_Sheets.pdf) on the deal.) And by raising the cash from foreigners, he's doing his part to rein in the pernicious current-account deficit. "Too often in Indiana, we see Hoosier dollars and jobs leaving the state. Major Moves is an exciting opportunity to recapture U.S. dollars by attracting foreign investment, and use them to create jobs for Hoosiers," he said.
What's in it for the foreign companies? Huge potential profits. Gigantic, steady profits. Toll roads are an incredible asset class. They're often monopolies. They can support debt, since they provide a recurring guaranteed revenue stream that is likely to rise over time, as more people take to the roads and tolls increase. According to Cintra, the Indiana Toll Road generated $96 million in revenues in 2005, and Cintra expects a 12.5 percent internal rate of return on its investment. The heavy lifting has already been done: The state or federal governments have acquired the land and rights of way, built the roads and maintained them for years, and enacted toll increases. All the private companies have to do is deliver cash upfront, maintain the roads, and collect the windfall. The buyers can also increase their profits by making toll roads run more efficiently with technology. After assuming control of the Chicago Skyway, the Cintra-Macquarie consortium installed electronic toll equipment on some lanes. And by refinancing nimbly, companies can cash out. Last yearâ??just seven months into its 99-year leaseâ??Cintra announced that it had recovered 44 percent of its initial investment in the Chicago road through refinancing.
(So, why aren't American companies buying up our toll roads? Here's a theory (http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx?action=print&id=2138950#2138987).)
This easy money for foreigners makes the locals uneasy. In mid-March, the Indiana House approved (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060314/NEWS02/60314040/0/LOCAL) the deal by a surprisingly slim margin. The Indiana scheme continues to engender local opposition (http://www.majormoves.org/). Last week, while participating in a panel discussion in South Bend, Ind., I got the sense that the toll lease made Hoosiers uneasy for reasons they couldn't quite articulate. It's not like the buyers could uproot the concrete and move it to Queensland, Australia, or Seville, Spain. The 400-page contract spells out in detail obligations of the consortium to invest in maintenance and safety and to keep a lid on toll rates. And unlike the Dubai ports case, it's hard to see how management of the toll road by a foreign entity could raise security threats.
I think the uneasiness has more to do with what it says about the peculiar fiscal climate in the United States. How is it that in the richest nation on the earth, localities simply don't have the cash to do necessary maintenance on basic infrastructure, the political will to raise such funds, or the competence to run such easily profitable operations? Why are they being forced to sell off long-term cash cows for short-term cash?
Leasing or selling a public asset is a classic one-shotâ??a short-term measure that bolsters the balance sheet today but that can't be repeated. While politicians like Daniels focus on getting through the next few fiscal years with minimum pain, foreign companies are thinking about how to get rich off of tolls for the next three-quarters of a century. From Gov. Daniels to his former boss, President Bush, there's a troubling unwillingness to align governmental resources with the express goals and responsibilities of government. At the federal level, we rely on China's central bank to buy our bonds and fund basic operations. As a result, our tax revenues wind up in Beijingâ??as interest payments. At the state level, Indiana is relying on foreign companies to lease public infrastructure like toll roads. And under these arrangements, tollsâ??taxes people pay for drivingâ??are being paid to foreign shareholders of foreign companies.
Of course, by selling public infrastructure at high prices, state governments could be taking foreigners for a ride. The Japanese famously overpaid for Rockefeller Center, after all. It's possible that Indiana just ripped off the Spaniards and Aussies. But I doubt it.


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Why aren't American companies buying the roads and making the profits that are going to Cintra and Macquairie? Oddly, it may be because the toll roads are good investmentsâ??but not great ones. The long-term economics of these sweetheart deals don't appeal enough to today's quick-buck American investors. Big private-equity firms are sitting on piles of cash, and money is cheap. And yet they're not bidding seriously on these lease deals. Ironically, the very factors that make the United States an appealing market for foreign investorsâ??its size and stability, the security afforded by the rule of lawâ??make it comparatively unappealing for some local investors. Macquairie and Cintra might be perfectly happy with 12 percent internal rates of return. But many big U.S. investors are seeking returns at twice that rate, which they believe can be found more easily in riskier markets like India and China.

Bong30
04-15-2006, 02:16 PM
Piss head all these threads could be one BIG GAY THREAD.

answer my questions in WAKE UP.

your threads will just fall right off the board just like they should

5 at once........FOCUS grasshopper

Myth1184
04-15-2006, 03:00 PM
wtf...dude, you ever heard of Maintenance? Roads need money to be repaied, and not all counties have that money? so the answer is Toll Booth. So, Go collect to 10 dollars from Prisonplanet for posting this, and go jump off a cliff. Thank you.

eg420ne
04-15-2006, 03:16 PM
I thought the roads were already paid for by our taxs dollars....and dont the government pay for road maintence out of our tax dollars.........

eg420ne
04-15-2006, 03:24 PM
Seems like people really trying there best to discourage people from reading and understanding things that are happening now. This country is very divided, and it mainly because of an Information war that was started by our government...I Know I know you cant accept that, so the only thing i can tell you is check it out for yourselves......

Psycho4Bud
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
I thought the roads were already paid for by our taxs dollars....and dont the government pay for road maintence out of our tax dollars.........

Ya sure would think so but the toll fairs "supposedly" are used for road repair in heavily traveled areas. When I lived in the Quad cities I remember taking the I-88 toll road to Chicago....better off to take the I-80...won't tear your suspension off your car!:stoned:

Psycho4Bud
04-15-2006, 03:27 PM
This country is very divided, and it mainly because of an Information war that was started by our government.

Come on now eg.....I only know of one site labeled infowar and you know who puts that out!:dance:

pisshead
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
www.texastollparty.com (http://www.texastollparty.com)

eg420ne, that's what ignore is for. you can't expect the neo-con big government apologists to actually care what their usurped regional governments are doing...can you?

eg420ne
04-15-2006, 03:45 PM
Come on now eg.....I only know of one site labeled infowar and you know who puts that out!:dance:
Your government started it

eg420ne
04-15-2006, 03:50 PM
www.texastollparty.com (http://www.texastollparty.com)

eg420ne, that's what ignore is for. you can't expect the neo-con big government apologists to actually care what their usurped regional governments are doing...can you?
Nope, I just hope the local leadership is not to much in bed with these assholes---thanks signed texastollparty.com