The Gospel of Judas

[YellowThings248]

anybody hear about the gospel according to judas iscariot that they found?
they confirmed its from the same time period as the other gospels, they just don't know if its true
it says that judas didnt betray jesus to the romans and that not only was judas jesus' most loyal apostle, jesus TOLD judas to betray him, jesus, to the romans
i think this makes sense, because jesus, being jesus and all, knew that he needed to die for mankind's sins. who better to intrust that job to than his most devoted follower?
what are everyone's thoughts?

[Oneironaut]

I predict another long pointless argument between different factions of people who spend too much time thinking about ancient mythology. If you ask me, we should all stop worrying about ancient texts by people who believed in talking snakes, witches, demons, virgin births, and the ridiculous concept of "sin" (things God wants you to never ever ever do, but he won't tell you, except in an ambiguous text that can be interpreted many ways and has to be translated from Ancient Hebrew).

[Torog]

Howdy Oneironaut,

Boy Howdy ! I sure would love to see the look on yer face-when you die and are greeted by yer loved ones on the Other Side...lol. :D

Don't bother trying to convince me that I'm wrong,my Faith is un-shakeable and you'll just be wasting yer time.:)

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Oneironaut]

That's the problem with being an atheist. If we die and there's nothing there, I don't get to say "I told you so".

But please do bother to tell me I'm wrong. I don't hold onto any idea with absolute faith. I keep an open mind at all times and can be swayed by evidence, logic and reason. Provide me with enough good evidence for your case and I'll have no choice but to cave in.

[Torog]

That's the problem with being an atheist. If we die and there's nothing there, I don't get to say "I told you so".

But please do bother to tell me I'm wrong. I don't hold onto any idea with absolute faith. I keep an open mind at all times and can be swayed by evidence, logic and reason. Provide me with enough good evidence for your case and I'll have no choice but to cave in.

Howdy Oneironaut,

Lol..I like yer opening statement.:)

Wow..could there be real hope for ya ? I'd like to think so ! :) I ain't gonna try and convince you to believe in Jesus and God,that step is up to you. I kinda look at it from a scientific point of view,what need is there in Nature,for emotion..if we apply the law of survival of the fittest ? Why would Nature evolve happiness ? Happiness,implies contentment with one's surroundings,which leads to complacency which leads to being un-aware of dangers at hand-would it not be counter to survival of the strongest and fittest ?

When my daughter was born and I held her for the first time-it felt like a miracle of life to me,I was no longer devoted to my own wants and needs-I was more than 'happy'..to put them aside and dedicate my life to nurturing my daughter. Itwas and felt like,much more than just a simple survival instinct to protect my 'young'. I have seen and felt much,that can only be explained as being outside of the normal realm,it was para-normal. If we can detect these para-normal events with magnetometers,thermal imagers and temperature probes..how can any scientist discount such ?

It's not much of a beginning to convince you that you indeed have an immortal soul,but it's a start. My back is about to reach it's limit,so I won't be on much longer,I look forward to yer responses though and will git back to ya soon.

Have a good one ...

[toke it up 420]

i belive that even though i go to catholic school.....
im a fucking athiest, or however u spell it
i dont believe in god

[Oneironaut]

Howdy Oneironaut,

Lol..I like yer opening statement.:)

Wow..could there be real hope for ya ? I'd like to think so ! :) I ain't gonna try and convince you to believe in Jesus and God,that step is up to you. I kinda look at it from a scientific point of view,what need is there in Nature,for emotion..if we apply the law of survival of the fittest ? Why would Nature evolve happiness ? Happiness,implies contentment with one's surroundings,which leads to complacency which leads to being un-aware of dangers at hand-would it not be counter to survival of the strongest and fittest ?
Happiness is a state of consciousness caused by chemicals in the brain which are activated when we have achieved our goals and desires, and which are not present when we sense danger or have unfulfilled goals and desires. Evolutionarily speaking, this is clearly a very beneficial trait to have, wouldn't you say?


When my daughter was born and I held her for the first time-it felt like a miracle of life to me,I was no longer devoted to my own wants and needs-I was more than 'happy'..to put them aside and dedicate my life to nurturing my daughter. Itwas and felt like,much more than just a simple survival instinct to protect my 'young'.
Yeah, it feels really emotional and meaningful, doesn't it? She almost seems like the most important thing in the world, doesn't she? Well, good, you're supposed to feel that way. It's what keeps her alive, and your genes as well. :thumbsup:


I have seen and felt much,that can only be explained as being outside of the normal realm,it was para-normal. If we can detect these para-normal events with magnetometers,thermal imagers and temperature probes..how can any scientist discount such ?
You've been watching too many of those kooky ghost hunting shows haven't you? Well, if you honestly think you can prove a paranormal event has occurred under proper observing conditions in which the possibility of cheating is eliminated, you can win yourself $1,000,000.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

It's not much of a beginning to convince you that you indeed have an immortal soul,but it's a start. My back is about to reach it's limit,so I won't be on much longer,I look forward to yer responses though and will git back to ya soon.

Have a good one ...
I don't think I have an immortal soul. It looks like just wishful thinking to me. Death is scary, and people want to think they will live forever, even if their body dies. That's what keeps belief in the afterlife alive. But there just isn't any empirical evidence to believe that there is anything after death. It seems our personalities and our memories are encoded in an organ called the brain. They are damaged when the brain is damaged. It also looks like they decompose when the brain decomposes.

[Swizzy89304]

Jesus is everywhere.

[scooterjay]

how many people out there can read ancient hebrew? i think it all sounds kinda fishy, like "save the jew's reputation".

[Psycho4Bud]

anybody hear about the gospel according to judas iscariot that they found?
they confirmed its from the same time period as the other gospels, they just don't know if its true
it says that judas didnt betray jesus to the romans and that not only was judas jesus' most loyal apostle, jesus TOLD judas to betray him, jesus, to the romans
i think this makes sense, because jesus, being jesus and all, knew that he needed to die for mankind's sins. who better to intrust that job to than his most devoted follower?
what are everyone's thoughts?

I watched that the other night. They were trying to find the cave that the scripts come from....pretty interesting. Here's a lil' something on it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1810169&page=1

[nuggetgirl]

I must say that ALL the books of the bible are the person who wrote thems interpertation. Meaning that me and torog can be writing about john mowing the yard. I may see that John is unhappy mowing the yard, but Torog may see that John is enjoying himself mowing the yard. Get what I'm trying to say? I cant agreethat it is all true. Maybe things were wrote down with the wrong meaning?
But I am not an athiest...Just the person I am makes me feel like I have to believe there is something out there. Like life just can't be this meaningless void to just live and die and that be that? I've been through a lot of hard times in my life, and if everything I went through was in vain, I would be better off dead right now.

[Stedric]

So you're saying that hell is a place full of Evangelists and Far-right Christians?

...does that sound like hell to anyone else?

[Oneironaut]

Atheists don't believe life is meaningless. We just recognize that meaning is a human construct. Something is meaningful to us only because we perceive it as such. There is no intrinsic "purpose" for an electron, a rock, a black hole, or DNA. This only means that we are free to define the meaning of our own lives, to choose what we want to live for and to live for it. I can't imagine why anyone would want their whole life to be for some purpose set down by somebody else before they were born. I'd rather define the purpose of my own life than be a slave to a purpose bestowed on me by some invisible dictator of the univers.

[Divo]

i was watching this show today where they decode the code of the bible after the event happened they found out it was all in the code of the bible but to find out about the future it is a most difficult task since the event hasnt happened

or like that other show where probably god wasnt the one that lead them all and that the aliens might have taken a good role during those ancient times.

[BizzleLuvin]

jesus? what? woah i definetly wandered into the wrong thread....

[Bong30]

will you guys please go to my thread and listen to the easter essay from glen beck set to pink floyd... it is awsome

[JunkYard]

Is Glen Beck that republican radio talk show host? If he's the same guy I'm thinking of, he's very funny! Even so, I don't care for his views, but my cousin loves the guy, lol!

[Bong30]

Is Glen Beck that republican radio talk show host? If he's the same guy I'm thinking of, he's very funny! Even so, I don't care for his views, but my cousin loves the guy, lol!

junk it is so amazing.....It doesnt matter if you like Glen, but if you like easter it is powerful. Made me cry.


its pink floyd....too



ok ok nobody listen....ill like it to my self, just wanted to share, sorry guys

[thebaron]

JUDAS WAS A DIRTY GRASS . and as such he deserved to hang.

[JunkYard]

Frakin snitch, lol!

I think that's the point behind his gospel, to suggest it was all a plan between him and Jesus, and therefore he wasn't actually 'snitching'...

Although, I still wonder if this gospel has any merit. Why would he still hang himself if this gospel is true?

[the image reaper]

the so-called 'gospel of Judas' is horsecrap .. just one of several 'discovered texts' that were dismissed hundreds of years ago, as fraudulent stories written hundreds of years after Christ's Resurrection ... personally, I don't prosthletize the Gospel, as I believe salvation begins after the Holy Spirit has drawn us to Him, I doubt anything I can say will change anyone's mind ... I care less who thinks I'm a fool for believing in the Salvation offered to us all by Christ, all I care about is how HE regards me ... I pray for the unbelievers, that they may find their way to the Lord ... you dont have to go far, He is right beside you, waiting ...
TOROG, you are 'right-on" my brother :thumbsup:

[Oneironaut]

If the "Lord" really wants me to "find" him, he'll realize that I'm the skeptical type and he'll leave me some sort of objective evidence so I can verify he exists. Until that happens, I'll pile him with the other creatures who won't provide me with any objective evidence of themselves, such as leprechauns, Zeus, Bigfoot, Santa Claus, Vishnu, Xenu, the Loch Ness Monster, Satan, the Tooth Fairy, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, honest politicians, Baal and Thor.

[Torog]

If the "Lord" really wants me to "find" him, he'll realize that I'm the skeptical type and he'll leave me some sort of objective evidence so I can verify he exists. Until that happens, I'll pile him with the other creatures who won't provide me with any objective evidence of themselves, such as leprechauns, Zeus, Bigfoot, Santa Claus, Vishnu, Xenu, the Loch Ness Monster, Satan, the Tooth Fairy, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, honest politicians, Baal and Thor.

Howdy Onerironaut,

God doesn't have to prove that He exists.. to you..it's up to you--to prove that you are worthy of the many blessings that He's bestowed upon you..you are God's child..and He will always love you..however..the only way to git to Heaven,is through His Son,Jesus Christ.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Pussycat]

He was specially picked by God because he was a dirty backstabbing human.
He got paid his blood money and I would think some angry dudes kicked his door in during the storm, dragged him from the casa and lynched him where there where no witnesses and claimed it was suicide.
If you look at the original police report on the incident you will see clearly that there was bruising to his face and lip and he was handcuffed behind his back, also the noose was to high for him to have done it without a horse.
a more extensive examination conducted by the leading Roman phorensic scientist maxumus boloxus revieled several coins of sivler lodged in his large bowel.
It is quite likly that he was murdered. and it is most unusual over the next 2000 years for christians to name there sons Judas. unlike matthew mark luke etc.
Grassing is one of the sad and depraved back stabbing tactics used by cowards and un confrontational people with a personality disorder. they dont even get payed most of the time as it is done to Gloat in private probably during masturbation.
The so called Judas tapes as i shall call them are nothing but a fabrication ment to cloud the facts. A common tactic used by law enforcement throughout the world. to protect there sorce. Cops have only contempt for a dirty grass, help them until the trial and after that they are of no further use and are discarded, hence the lynching of Judas.
The moral of the story is that if you are thinking of GRASSING DONT.
thats my advice.

[Oneironaut]

Howdy Onerironaut,

God doesn't have to prove that He exists.. to you..it's up to you--to prove that you are worthy of the many blessings that He's bestowed upon you..you are God's child..and He will always love you..however..the only way to git to Heaven,is through His Son,Jesus Christ.

Have a good one ! :stoned:
I can't help the fact that I'm skeptical. My brain simply won't accept something unless I see sufficient evidence of it. What kind of loving god would punish me for that? It's not something I can control. I just need evidence to believe in something, especially extraordinary claims like people being born by virgins and coming back from the dead. I can't just pick up an ancient text and force my brain to believe it. If your God wants me to believe in him and become a Christian, and he has the least bit of respect for me, he'll realize that all I want is a little evidence and he'll provide it for me. If he can't do that and wants to send me to hell for not believing something I was not provided sufficient evidence for, well, I'd rather go to hell than worship an asshole like that anyways.

[xblackdogx]

what would you say if you found out the majority of elephants believed in a higher force and lived their life according to what is designated by Him/It?

We are just as "meaningless" as you would label any other animal in our world. Ants, Lions, Sharks, Humans, Zebras all have life expectencies, struggles, patterns, goals: what makes us the "special" designated species that obeys a "higher being"; our brain skews the everpresent reality of evolution with mere literature.

We are creatures that have a brain far more complex than those of other animals and yet we are being lured into this train of thought of higher being. I just don't get it.

[Torog]

I can't help the fact that I'm skeptical. My brain simply won't accept something unless I see sufficient evidence of it. What kind of loving god would punish me for that? It's not something I can control. I just need evidence to believe in something, especially extraordinary claims like people being born by virgins and coming back from the dead. I can't just pick up an ancient text and force my brain to believe it. If your God wants me to believe in him and become a Christian, and he has the least bit of respect for me, he'll realize that all I want is a little evidence and he'll provide it for me. If he can't do that and wants to send me to hell for not believing something I was not provided sufficient evidence for, well, I'd rather go to hell than worship an asshole like that anyways.

Howdy Oneironaut,

It's good to be skeptical..there are many who would lead you astray. I think part of yer poblem,is that you haven't been alive long enough to git a better feel for yer soul and yer place,in the universe. For instance,have you been married yet and had children ? If you haven't,that's a whole lot of Life,that you ain't been forged by yet. Have you ever been broke and home-less ? Have you ever had to fight for yer life ? How many times have you had to give up everything that you owned and started over from scratch ? If any of these things happened to you-did you ever call out to God for help ?

Have a good one ...

[phareye]

any religion less than three thousand years old is a cult.
and at thgeur core, the vast majority are preaching the same tenents... it's when man gets involved that things get shaky.
personally, i'd love to see the tenents of jesus of nazareth be followed more. he is the most famous long-haired radical socalist jew of all time, after all.

[beachguy in thongs]

it is most unusual over the next 2000 years for christians to name there sons Judas. unlike matthew mark luke etc.

I heard it was illegal, in many places. I was sleeping and I'm not sure in what context he used it in. It's a hard-rock station's morning show, why Judas was mentioned, I have no clue.

[GhostFace2K]

What if Judas just didn't wanna look like a dickhead for what he did to Jesus, so he wrote this "gospel" portraying his side of the story. "Uh... well people think that i betrayed Jesus... but uh... they don't know that... he asked me to do it?... yeah he asked me to do it, so... oh yeah this is my official gospel so it HAS to be true"

[beachguy in thongs]

They found it a long time ago, and it's taken them all this time to authenticate it so it can be released. I think this is right.