my newest cabinet ...

[the image reaper]

this is my 3rd grow-booth I've built over the years ... still using 2' x 4' x 6.5' dimensions ... built to fit neatly into the corner of a travel trailer ... fully lined with 2mil Mylar, ventilation fans, and central heat/air in room ... I'm running Eight 40-watt 4-ft. flouros for the canopy, using GE Cool White (6500K) for growth, and will switch to GE Kitchen and Bath (3000K) for flowering ... I also have eight more units for possible placement from beneath during flowering ... will provide up to 54,400 total lumens if I do add the lower lighting .. (Ive been using flouros for 25+ years, and not changing :D ) ... so far, plants are staying short, squat, and bushy with just 8 tubes, so may not need the other 8, we'll see ...
plants are Cinderella99/Northern Lights cross ... my well-intentioned friend almost killed them with Pythium Wilt, but these 5 recovered ... I would estimate they lost half of their present 31 days of growing time, due to the disease ... but, all is well now ... :smokin:

[Legalizdahurb]

Looks nice, and all this in a travel home perfect.

[AmericanTerrorist]

Watch out for that wilt man....

your very lucky to have saved 5 outta 8, treat em good!

[the image reaper]

actually, only saved 5 of 15 , had to leave town for a few days, and my friend decided to be 'helpful' ... oh well, I'm sleeping with her, I cant raise too much hell ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

here's one of my survivors, at Day 33, from seed ... she is a Cinderella99/Northern Lights hybrid from 'Joey Weed' ... low-priced seedstock, can be found at www.hempdepot.ca ... :thumbsup:

[RICVAGANJ]

hey bro, just a suggestion.

You have a few items in that lat pic that could be bad for certain factions with image enhancement technology available to them.

Just my .02 cents.

[the image reaper]

thanks for the concern, the paperwork in the background has no names or 'usable' info on them ... and Im a legal med-user .. at least, until the Nazis change their rules again ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

here's Day 42, six weeks from seed ... had one of my Cinderella99/Northern Lights cross go male on me, (only the second male I've had in 30+ years of indoor grows) ... considering they were all 99% DEAD from Pythium Wilt when just sprouts, I am amazed they ALL aren't hermie or male ... removed it to the outside, and am down to one more Cin99/NL, and three Sage/NYC Diesel/Cotton Candy crosses ... all very healthy and doing well so far... here they are at 6 weeks of age (from seed) ... :smokin:

[Trucco]

can you shoot me an email?

[the image reaper]

how would I do that, with no e-mail address ? .... and, no, I only respond here, I dont give out my address to unknowns ... :)

[turtle420]

how would I do that, with no e-mail address ? .... and, no, I only respond here, I dont give out my address to unknowns ... :)
Everybody please learn from this.

Trucco, wants to get in contact with Image Reaper... then, why? Why should Image Reaper post his eMail here?

If you ever ask somebody for an eMail, make sure you provide your own. Doesn't make sense to have them post their eMail.

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In other notes: www.HushMail.com is a secure communication system. Mush better than Yahoo!, HotMail, and god-forbid, gMail.

[the image reaper]

thanks, Turtle ... I hope I didn't come off offensively with my reply ... I just don't post my e-mail address anywhere, just to avoid SPAM, etc ... and being in a somewhat 'touchy' web forum, I certainly don't want to advertise ... I'm a 'legal' med-user, but no sense in hanging my ass out to the wind ... I suspect any day now, the Feds will blackmail the states with Med-scrips to either enforce Federal drug laws, or lose their Federal funding ... same way they crammed the 55mph speed limit down our throats years ago ... so much for Government BY the People, FOR the People, etc ... whoops, Im starting to rant again :dance: ... everyone have a wonderful day ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

here's my girls 60 days from seed germination ... I brought them outside for the photo shoot ... these have been grown entirely with 4-ft. flourescents ... no heat issues, no stretch, they are getting plenty of light ... if not for the Pythium Wilt that had them 95% DEAD early in life, they would be twice this size by now ... I am growing them out anyway, hoping the potency didn't suffer, too ... up close, they seem to be perfectly healthy, just smaller than I am used to for a 60-day life ... I will probably put them into flower in a week or two ... the one on the ground is my Cinderella99/Northern Lights cross, the three on the wood block are SAGE/Cotton Candy/NYCdiesels ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

by the way, this crop is the first time I have topped the plants, I cut off the growing tip about a month into the grow ... is that the entire reason for the small stature ?, or was I correct in assuming it was the Pythium Wilt damage that caused their short height ?? ... except for height, they are wonderfully healthy ... :confused: .... :smokin:

[Krogith]

yes cropping the main stem would make em short thats exactly why. poss combanation of 2 but people crop to keep em low. I hate the methoid personaly there a huge debate on it, i would tie shit up with strings as a better methoid

[the image reaper]

yeah, I didn't expect such a drastic height reduction, next time I will just tie 'em down, or train them under a screen ... well, we live and learn .. thanks for the help ... :smokin:

[Trucco]

sorry about the email question, what i men't to say if it was alright if i could post my email on my post, i guess it's not a good idea sorry for the dumb ass question.

[the image reaper]

Trucco, hey, man, no problem ... I would recommend you dont post your e-mail address, even if it was a 'safe' discussion, you would still be inviting spammers ... I thought I could receive Private Messages here, but I guess not .. ? ..,
also, I just now discovered I cant properly read a calendar ... LOL ... my last pics are of my plants at 48 days, not 60, as I thought ... now, i feel a little better ... changed my lamps to 'red' spectrums today, and cut hours back to 12/12 ... I wanted to get them larger, but the cropping really held them down, I may not do that next grow ... since they are now doing their 'alteranting-node' thing, I guess we'll just go to flower ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

I am truly Math-Challenged, evidently ... :D ... this is Day 48 from seed (not 60, as previously stated) ... took them outside for some sun while I changed my bulbs over to 'red' spectrum ... other than the outdoor photo-shoot, they have been under 4-ft flourescents exclusively ... starting them into flower now, 12/12 cycle, and using Earth Juice nutes: 'Catalyst', 'Bloom', and 'MicroBlast' , plus 'SuperThrive' ... :smokin:

[Trucco]

those plants look very healthy to me, but look alittle bushy i still think there
bitchen.How do like those FLORA products.

[the image reaper]

what is a FLORA product ? ...

[Garden Knowm]

Bigger pots = bigger buds (out door wisdom)

nice piece of wood!!!!!!

[the image reaper]

now into Day 63, since planting from seed ... I took the girls outdoors for a couple hours while I give them a good inspection, and clean up the cabinet a bit ... the one on far left is my Cinderella99xNorthern Lights, the other three are a SAGE/Cotton Candy/NYCdiesel hybrid ... the latter were freebie seeds, given to me by Hemp Depot, when I purchased the NL99 seeds ... they have proven to be very hardy, and busting out in many budsites ... I switched the light-hours to 12/12 schedule 14 days ago, a bit earlier than planned, but the stems had started alternating ... the buds have started popping out the last few days ... all under 4ft flourescents ... the NL99 still has virtually zero odor, great for stealth grows ... ( the two odor-fighting CFL bulbs completely remove the odor from the other 3 'stinkers' :thumbsup: ) ... :smokin:

[bob bobbinson]

nice plants man. They look pretty big to me :D Then again my 1st grow is not as far along as urs.

I like the shot next to the tire :dance:

anyhow, great job saving them. looked as all hope was lost. but look at em now. Think its time to skip med school and just take the test heheh

[the image reaper]

thank you, the plant by the tire, is my favorite, Cinderella99/Northern Lights ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

since my plants are very branchy with lots of buds appearing, I decided to try my first SCROG attempt ... I installed some poultry netting over my girls ... now I will wait and see ... :smokin:

[turtle420]

This is going to be interesting! :D

[the image reaper]

yeah, I dont know how the screen will work ... but, decided it was worth a shot, these plants have lots of branches, and budsites, so figured it would be good for that ... makes it hard to reach the plants though, i may take it back out, cant make up my mind

[the image reaper]

well, I couldn't take it anymore, seeing my little girls "in jail" like that, so I took the screen back down ... 'hard to teach an old dog new tricks' rings true, I guess ... I like the idea of the screen training the branches for more light, but I can't deal with the limitations it puts on me, regarding moving the plants around, access to the branches, etc ... will try it again someday ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Reaper great looking plants .And i cant belive there's another guy on here who only grow's with 4ft flourescents on these boards and get great looking plants. Here's a link to my lil baby at day 54 grown with flourescents http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32781&d=1129573035

[the image reaper]

VERY nice color on that female of yours, BigBudDaddy ... those leaves couldnt be more perfect, great color, no burnt tips from over-nutes ... she's a happy girl ... my project today is to add 4 more tubes ... for a carpenter, I am a great truckdriver ... I mis-figured my cabinet dimensions, and am lacking an inch or so for adding more 4-footers, so ... today, Im going to hang 4 more tubes, horizontally against the rear wall of the cabinet, facing inward towards the plant, just below the canopy ... then I will have twelve 4-footers (480 watts, 40,800 lumens, very little heat :D ) ... eight tubes above the plants, and four more at the rear ... then, to prevent the plant from growing into the backlights, I will just get in the habit of rotating my pots 1/4 turn every morning ... unconventional, but it is the only way I can squeeze them into the cabinet, and it will still give me unfettered access to all the plants from the front ... I think sometimes, I stick with flourescents just to be different :p ... tubes rock :dance:

[BigBudDaddy08]

WOW how do you get that many lumen's with only 480wtts? Ive got 320 watts at 21600 lumens .Heres a pic of my lil cab .Im now in the process of growing Poison #1 cant see her but shes there

[OmegaVermelho]

Hy Image Reapper, since u have more years of experience growing as i have of age :D , i was wondering if u could help me in a question about lights, is that ok??Well here it goes i´m reading everything i can get my hands on, and after space and money issues were figured out, i´m left with a hand full light options.
my growing space is a 2x2x4 feet box with mylar all the way (its the best i can get :o 4 i have a small house), will a 125w enviro light grow stage and another 125w enviro flower be enough for each cycle for about 4 plants???
Tks for ur time Image i hope somtime in the future i have some babies looking as good as yours....
By the way how tall do those babies usually grow????
Once again many tkx:rasta: :rasta:

[Dimebonic333]

It may not be my place to step in, but in my experience with tubes, do not let your girls get too tall. flower at about a foot or less. Im using about 195 watts of cfl, and it is not enough for 4 plants. I need more lights as it is. Im really hoping that I get at least 2 males so I can kill em. Flower em early dude.
I had some plants about Reaper's size a few years ago under fluoro tubes when I decided to flower and they ended up to be taller than me. I was real proud of some 6 foot tall plants, but the yield was next to nothing.

[Jdog7000]

How did I miss this thread?
They look great...that NL x C99 looks really nice.
I have only had good floro bud once. That was from Garden KNowm!
He definately knows his shiznit.

[the image reaper]

took this pic a few minutes ago ... you can see the 8 four-footers at the top, and the 4 new four-footers at the rear wall, facing in ... all are adjustable height, naturally ... these 'GE Kitchen & Bath' 40-watt T12 tubes are 3000k warm temp, rated at 3400 lumens apiece, according to the label ... total: 480 watts, 40,800 lumens :dance: ... bought at WalMart, about $7 a pair, twin-lamp fixture another $9 ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

regarding plant height, these Northern Lights/Cinderella 99 hybrids insisted on staying short and bushy ... I actually purposely stretched them to where they are now ... I kept the flouros 4"-6" above the plants for their entire grow ... I wanted some space to get my hands in there, and be able to inspect ... you gotta remember, I'm throwing the same lumens as a 400-watt HPS, into a 2'x4'x7' cabinet lined with Mylar ... all those plants know is " Help!!! I need some sunglasses ! :D "
this strain is supposed to be only 3.5 feet tall, on average, plus, I topped the growing tip when young ... the other three plants are a SAGE/Cotton Candy/NYCdiesel hybrid, and they're pretty short and branchy, too ... all are from "Joey Weed' , affordable seeds :thumbsup: ... www.hempdepot.ca :thumbsup: .... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

Hy Image Reapper, since u have more years of experience growing as i have of age :D , i was wondering if u could help me in a question about lights, is that ok??Well here it goes i´m reading everything i can get my hands on, and after space and money issues were figured out, i´m left with a hand full light options.
my growing space is a 2x2x4 feet box with mylar all the way (its the best i can get :o 4 i have a small house), will a 125w enviro light grow stage and another 125w enviro flower be enough for each cycle for about 4 plants???
Tks for ur time Image i hope somtime in the future i have some babies looking as good as yours....
By the way how tall do those babies usually grow????
Once again many tkx:rasta: :rasta:


thanks for the compliments, but I'm just an old dirt farmer :D ... ideally, you should aim for 50 watts per square foot ... don't shoot me, that is only what I have read ... keep in mind, when youre talking light, MORE is Better ... the only limits to light, as far as I know, are heat and practicality ($$$) ... dont be discouraged, I successfully grew for a long time under two cheap shoplights, 160 watts total ... my quality was excellent, but my yields were pretty light .. thats what your big-buck lamps buy you ... big buds, big yield, and somewhat faster crop turnaround ... I have very little experience with those new CFL lamps ... I do have a big one for a seedstarter and veg booth, but thats something I just built, so I cant comment on it ... good luck, and remember each crop gets better than the last ... :smokin:

[krustythfreakinclown]

Hey reaper,

What kind of yield do you average out of such a setup?

I'm getting 4-5 ounces per grow under a 400W HPS in a Waterfarm with a 36" max height.

[the image reaper]

I guess I used to get an ounce or so per plant, ?? .. never weighed it, and I only kept the best buds ... but that was with less than half the wattage I'm running now ... this is my first time with anywhere near this many bulbs ... I jumped from 4 to 12 with this grow ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Wow Reaper i think im gonna need some sun glasse's just loooking at the picture .lol.Also have you thought about tieing some of the larger fan leaves down to get more light to diffrent bud sites .I tied almost all mine down by the end of flowering and noticed an amazing change in lower bud sites

[the image reaper]

I usually train my stems a bit, for more buds, ... so far, it has been unneccessary with this grow, these lower mounted lamps should make a big difference, the plants are saturated with light throughout their branches ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

I kinda figured you wouldnt need to but everything counts;) .Also is there any way you could get some close ups of the bud site's?

[the image reaper]

took these for ya ... first pic is an upper branch of my NL99, the second pic is a bottom branch from same plant ... been in flower couple weeks now, I started them a bit premature ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Reaper i think its time for a update with all the plants outside lol.

[the image reaper]

its gloomy here for a few days, while we have a bit of rain move through ... I'll take them outside in another week, or so, for new pics ... theyre just two weeks or so into blooming, so should look a lot better in awhile ... here's another shot I made a minute ago ... Day 72, from seed ... if not for almost dying from wilt, I can only imagine where they would be by now, under healthy conditions ... :smokin:

[OmegaVermelho]

Hy once again image reaper, those babies look nice, just wondering how tall are they and what are u feeding them???Any secrets u want to share???:rasta: :rasta: Tks again for the thread and the help....:D :stoned:

[the image reaper]

just got out the tape measure, theyre 22", from soil to tops, about the same in diameter, 72 days since germination, and lost a LOT of growth for the first couple of weeks, due to Pythium Wilt (killed 10 out of 15 seedlings, remaining seedlings developed into 4 females, one male) only the second male plant I have gotten in many years of amateur growing ... I used 'Miracid' 30-10-10 during veg, ... then, a week before switching to flower cycle, I took away the nitrogen, and started using "Earth Juice" brand nutes: 'Bloom' 0-3-1 at every watering, 'MicroBlast' micronutrients every 2 weeks, and 'Catalyst' 2 weeks ... I have used 'SuperThrive' throughout this grow, for the first time ... I again say, I think SuperThrive is a highly hyped, highly over-rated, product, that does no harm, and if you want to use it, hey, go for it ... :smokin:

[OmegaVermelho]

I guess those xx-xx-xx numbers are the NPK ratio´s right?Sorry about these noob questions but besides being noob i´m also not really familiar with some growing lingo eheheh (i´m Portuguese)...The thing i wanted to ask u is, u´re grwing NLights, what other seeds do u recommend for a 2x2x4 growbox, i´m asking u this because all seedbanks i´ve looked into the NL seeds were to expensive for me at this point (cause the shipping his almost as expensive as the seeds, about 30$canadian + 45$ for the seeds)....a friend of mine recommended Grapefruit seeds...have u tried them before, what do u think???.....by the way, have u got any experience on using pot on asthma patients????Cause since i´ve started smoking pot my asthma attacks were gone.
Tks again for ur time and patience.

[the image reaper]

I guess those xx-xx-xx numbers are the NPK ratio´s right?Sorry about these noob questions but besides being noob i´m also not really familiar with some growing lingo eheheh (i´m Portuguese)...The thing i wanted to ask u is, u´re grwing NLights, what other seeds do u recommend for a 2x2x4 growbox, i´m asking u this because all seedbanks i´ve looked into the NL seeds were to expensive for me at this point (cause the shipping his almost as expensive as the seeds, about 30$canadian + 45$ for the seeds)....a friend of mine recommended Grapefruit seeds...have u tried them before, what do u think???.....by the way, have u got any experience on using pot on asthma patients????Cause since i´ve started smoking pot my asthma attacks were gone.
Tks again for ur time and patience.


yes, those numbers are the N-P-K, in that order ...they are always found in small print, somewhere on your fertlizer label .. other Forums will go into great detail with these answers ... I still recommend Northern Lights for a beginner, they're more forgiving of mistakes, great yield, and have probably won more Cannabis Cups than all others (they are a prime factor in most top strains), I cant help you with the prices, that's out of my control ... personally, I'd like to give them away, (but, I dont :D ) ... I have smoked a lot of Grapefruit, but never grown it ... a friend of mine (and she is NOT a doctor, or scientist) says marijuana is a natural aid to bronchial respiration (I can't remember the technical word, dammit) ... she claims tobacco smoke closes up bronchia, while pot 'opens' them up ... I have no idea if there is any truth to this ... :smokin:

[OmegaVermelho]

Tks image reaper, correct me if i´m wrong plz, but from ur posts u dont use ANY nitrogen in flowering, can u explain why???And also as i have never tasted NL, is it the head high type that leaves u active, or in other hand is it a knock out kinda feeling that all u want to do is vegetate???once again thanks a million´, i´ve learned a lot from ur posts...tks again m8...

[the image reaper]

I stop nitrogen nutes a week before turning the light-cycle back to 12-13 hours ... I read somewhere that's the thing to do, so I do it ... of course, if I sensed a nitrogen deficiency beginning, I would treat it, but I've seldom needed to ... some of the other nutes it gets, has a 'trace' amount, anyway ...
Northern Lights is an indica/sativa hybrid, general balanced stone, I guess you would say ... powerful, pretty high THC content, for an almost neglected plant these days ... if somebody tacked a fancy name onto it, it would again be a top-sought-after strain ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey ''Reaper'' you think the extra 10$ for fast shipping is worth it at Hempdepot?Pretty sure im gonna get the Apollo 11 and suprize the hell out of some people with my fluorescent cab hehe .Also i found a guy growing the strain here's a link http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=wwwpost&Number=730440&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all

Dont know what took me so long to order this strain looks really potent

[the image reaper]

my first order (with the optional $10 Fast shipping) did a turnaround to northern California in about 16 days, if I remember right ... the second order (a month ago) only took 8 days turnaround ... theyre a good bunch of people, Brad says they try to get orders out the same day they receive them ... I found them on some long-lost review of seed merchants , they had a 4-star rating, and a comment as to their friendliness and reliability ... I used International Money Orders from the USPS, and just left them blank ... I almost ordered the Apollo 11, too ... it sounds yummy ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey Reaper was wonduring if youd like to help with a thread in a week or two. It will be about the so called ''Secret's of Fluorescents''.LOC NAR1958 recently posted that he said his never had great results with fluorescents.But me and you have.So im goin to start a grow log with my fluorescent cab and make a journal of everything that i do to get the great results that me and you have .And just maybe we will have more newbs and people with not alot of money (not burning down there house with HIDS lol) But to give them a second choice of less expencive and way cooler lighting systems but with great results.I ask of you just to corrrect me or give advice of what not to do .Since you are the experienced grower you have way more advice than me lol.Makeing a long story short im tired of growers being scared away of fluorescents by people saying you needa get a HID. Dont get me wrong HIDS are great but not every one can afford them or afford cooling them .

So yes or no i still excpect you to follow up on the thread

[bob bobbinson]

cfl's to the EXTREEEEM :}

Great job man. cant wait to taste the buds. oh wait.. no beaming technology yet. DOH

[the image reaper]

BigBudDaddy, thats a great idea ... but I have to say, you have grown fatter buds than I ever have ... until now, I always had some reason that limited my growth (nosy neighbors, too many non-smoking friends popping in unexpectedly, etc...) I always wound up cutting my plants down after just a bit of bud appeared ... now, I have a legal prescription, so I can finally reap the rewards ... my plants are budding great now ... like you say, most newbies either cant or wont shell out the big bucks for the best setups, until theyve first seen some results from personal growing ... for years, I grew with only 4 flourescent bulbs, and managed to keep myself in stash ... and learned along the way what worked best, etc ... just like practicing with bagseed, its a start ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

maybe we could do a "Budget Grow" plan for the newbies, something to get their feet wet, and limit the setup to a tight budget ... :D
here's my NL99 at Day 74, from seed ... about 2 weeks into flower ... I admit, not very impressive compared to sodiums, but Im on disability, cant afford more than I have now ... and she will smoke nice and smooth ... :smokin:

[turtle420]

maybe we could do a "Budget Grow" plan for the newbies, something to get their feet wet, and limit the setup to a tight budget ... :D
I LIKE THIS IDEA MAN!!!!

DEFINITELY!

My mother cab, I think it'd be pretty cool for a beginner that wants to start small.

It's a 1ft wide, 2ft long cab, 2ft tall. So it isn't that big. It has a $15, 50CFM fart fan, keeps temps within check. Then, I hanged four WalMart 42watt CFL bulbs.... mylared it inside...

Nothing... I think it's pretty sweet.

But yeah man... I like the idea. :D

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hmmmm the greatness of fluorescents .Reaper your plant is looking great .That is a fact alot of newbs will not dish out the money. I think all in all my 320wtt cab costed me like 60 bucks with fans .(Hehe i had to go a little out on my fans due to my small area 2 computer fans and a turbine fan )But yes i will start researching all the products i baught and make a list of where you can get them around local stores . Also turtle your welcome to give adivce on the thread ill be starting .This will take me a week and half to put up the thread due to my seed i just planted i want to atleast have a plant a week old to show the results of certian steps i take .(I may grow 3 plants in there just to even out my female to male ratio. i dont wanna just grow one plant and turn out male then all my time would be wasted. and everyone eles time that has been following up on the thread

[the image reaper]

do you guys think we should post a "Budget Growing" here in Cabinet growing, or in "growroom setup" .. ? ... maybe keep the box, lights and fans under $100, and very limited info on nutes and extras ?? ... priority on non-confusing issues, just the basics ... BigBud Daddy, you have really come up with a great idea, you got me pumped, lol, I sit around all day, bored to death lately .. thanks !! ... :D

[BigBudDaddy08]

Same here Reaper im always around my house due to i live 60 miles away from anybody.Yeah the grow should not be over 100$ including the nutes .Most of my nutes came from local stores found everywhere .And yes we should stick to the basics no C02 injection or any bullshit like that.Keep it so that a 10 year old could have great grow by reading the journal.And by all means id like to keep the thread here in closet section due to alot of people dont vist the Grow Room section much.

[the image reaper]

sounds like good ideas to me ... (and I wish my neighbors were 60 miles away) ... I moved to town last year, and am really missing when I lived up higher on the mountain ... I am looking around for a new area, I prefer the wilderness over this ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Mountians??? Could we live close by each other lol.Hehe i came from the city to the mountians had to store my 1967 gt 500 and had to get me ahold of the new dodge SRT-10 .I kinda miss the nights where me and buddys cruise the strips of colleges in our full blown muscle cars.:( .Now im a hillbilly lol.)But then again theres nothong like unloading a clip out of automatic Mini 14 with out some one calling the Leo

[the image reaper]

damn ... takes me back to my brand-new 1969 Chevelle SS396 ... red w/black vinyl top, white leather interior, Crane cam, 505 lift, 330 duration, Isky roller rockers, funny, I don't remember comparing gas mileage figures back then ... cheap regular for 35 cents a gallon, but had to run Sunoco 260 in the Chevelle, probably more like 50 cents a gallon :D ... it ruled the streets of Peoria for awhile ... :dance: ... and my guns ... :D ... hope I don't have a fire, the whole crib will explode ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Wow i would love to see pics of that car.My 67 has a 346 stroker SB with a Procharger on it.You cant even here the motor when i get on it all your hear that supercharger screaming .In 2nd gear at 35mph i can white smoke the tires .

[OmegaVermelho]

do you guys think we should post a "Budget Growing" here in Cabinet growing, or in "growroom setup" .. ? ... maybe keep the box, lights and fans under $100, and very limited info on nutes and extras ?? ... priority on non-confusing issues, just the basics ... BigBud Daddy, you have really come up with a great idea, you got me pumped, lol, I sit around all day, bored to death lately .. thanks !! ... :D


Hell yeah, but dont go soft on the info imo i think many issues need some deep approach...by the way TIR i´ve checked a local aquarium shop and they have these 20w 18000k (yap 18000k) fluros in all sorts of spectrums, from daylight to blue and red, but they dont show any info on the lumens... what does ur wisdom say about this????they go for about 10� a bulb + 20� for the rest of the gear, (balast, the pieces where u fit the bulbs in)...do u think this would be a nice investement.....ur babies are looking good as usual:D :D

[BigBudDaddy08]

Dont know about a good investment but 20watts isnt really ideal unless you get alot of them .I myself look at anything that containes at least 40wtts. But you may also look into the pin fluorescents also known as T12 bulbs they push out 55wtts and can get them in any spectrum .

[the image reaper]

I think you'd be better off with the CFL or 4-foot fluoro tubes, myself ... and we are discussing doing this 'beginner economy' thread with simple basics ... the additional info is available all over this websit, so that would just be repetitive, and confuse newbies ... thats the point , we want to follow the "keep it simple,stupid" methods ... by the way, that 18,000k lamp would probably be no good, not sure, but that would probably be up in the ultra-violet range, Im thinking ... :confused:
oh, for bulbs, I use this source out of Texas, its a good lamp info site, click around the details, you can pick up a lot of knowledge here: http://www.1000bulbs.com/category.php?category=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=halogen&utm_campaign=main&CMP=KNC-Google&HBX_PK=halogen&HBX_OU=50
...........:smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey Reaper was wonduring what kind of soil do you use ? I myself use Jungle Growth it has a little ferts in it but seems to be doing very well .Tryn to get an idea of what soil i should use for the thread.(Sorry i messed up on what motor the 67 has its a 347 .numbers on my keyboard are to close lol)

[turtle420]

Image Reaper, BigBud Daddy...

WUHUUU!!!! Fellow car nuts!

Ok guys... I invite you both to start up a new thread about cars over in our Lounge... that's gonna be cool.

Hey BigBud... NICE decision on the ProCharger... I've always considered it a WAY superior piece of equipment than a Vortex, Paxton or other ones... ATI's ProCharger is the best, IMO.

Ahhh... talk of big blocks... rumble... BASS coming out of dual x-piped muffs... AHHH... 2nd gear at-speed smoke outs... MUSCLE cars... AMERICAN IRON...

I love you two. :D

[the image reaper]

:D yeah, I sure wish I still had a few of my old cars ... $$$$ ... have to sell them, though, I couldnt keep gas in them ... :p ... as to the soil, my local nursery recommended (they know why I need it) a premium potting soil ... forgot the name, something-farms premium, is all I remember ... doesnt seem too special, but it does have a very good supply of perlite in it ... was close to neutral pH when I bought it, havent tested it since ... plants have good color, and I use ionized water ... to hell with it, it's a weed ... lol ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Ok i think im just gonna go with Jungle Growth because you can almost buy it at any large hardwear store,And some newbs want go out to a nursery and ask what kinda soil they need for growing pot lol.So im keeping it simple and goin with Jungle Growth unless you have doubts about this and have another brand i should get and would even be simpler to get

[the image reaper]

sure, any easily available soil is cool, .. and a warning to newbies that dirt from the yard is full of bugs, and their eggs ... :smokin:

[OmegaVermelho]

Well guys the noob community is waitting to get their hands in some pro advice so start typping:D :D (i surelly am)...Tks 4 the link on the bulbs TIR, and as i told u those fluros are 18000k, they are used for aquariums and plant growing (i went back to the store and read the whole specs:D ), and they put out about 2200 lumens (20w bulb), so what do u recon???do u think it might work well for veg stage????

[the image reaper]

there is already plenty of info in the FAQ section to get anyone started, etc. ... what BigBudDaddy has suggested, is a very SIMPLE low-cost plan to get newbies started, to show how easily and cheaply fluorescent lamps can grow quality product ... the more advanced info is available all over this website, and others ... read prior posts, you will see I answered your question about the aquarium light, I believe that the color temperature is way up in the ultra-violet range ... I am not positive about that, but pretty sure ... if so, it would likely kill your plants ... see, this is a good point ... when beginners are told to do something one way, or they read instructions that instruct one way, they always seem to say "well, what about ??, can I do ?? instead ?" ... there lies the problem... while there are always different ways to do everything, this will be the SIMPLE, CHEAP, Beginner Way ... your aquarium light doesn't sound right, for color temp, for wattage, for lumens, it all adds up to 'not good' (its hard to believe any 20-watt bulb puts out 2200 lumens, maybe a misprint) ... but, you can still get the right CFL or fluororescent tube lights just as cheap, that will work excellently ... its all a matter of doing your reading, following instructions, and learning from your grow as you enjoy the rewards ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey Reaper just got back from Hydro shop .Have you ever herd or used this brand of Fox Farm.And if so is it any good?( Better be good for 21.00$ a bag lol)

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey Reaper due date is coming soon to get the new newb thread started .And figure i might aswell start typing it .Ok here a list of things that i need advice for .


Should i make a blue print of my box or tell them to just suspend there lights down to the plants?

Should i name the places to get the supplys from?


Thats it for now tomorrow i should have a couple qustions but i want be on till later i got to take my girlfriend out since its her birthday and buy her somthing sparkly

[the image reaper]

I would suggest telling them about white plastic and flat white paint, since its so much cheaper than Mylar, and a simple wood frame, or closet walls ... I have two very good suppliers:

lights, mylar, light setups, all sorts of growing supplies here: http://www.hydroponics.net/items/

and bulbs, fixtures etc. here: http://www.1000bulbs.com/category.php?category=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=halogen&utm_campaign=main&CMP=KNC-Google&HBX_PK=halogen&HBX_OU=50

[blackryu2007]

you two guys are the best no gertest for makeing something to help noobs like me so when and whare is it going to be thanks agine i suck at spelling i need leap frog or hook on phnics

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey Reaper i will post those links on the thread and since most newbies are under 18 they will not order off the net so i will post links to local stores to get everything they need.(Also it may be till Tuesday or Wendsday befor thread gets up due to i had my timer setup wrong and my fans never turned on and fried both of the babies ).Anything eles you think we should cover post it asap.Well in a couple hours ill be goin out takeing my girlfriend on a bike ride to all the clubs.So ill be on here for a little bit to post reply.Also what about the picture of the soil i posted know anything about it?>

[the image reaper]

I've heard mention of that soil in forums, but I havent used it myself ... Im using a typical premium potting soil mix, (forget the name of it, was recommended by nearby nursery) ... go with your gut feelings on the thread, I'll pop in and out when I can help ... :smokin:

[the image reaper]

BigBudDaddy ... do you think I overdid the lights ? ...... :D

[BigBudDaddy08]

WOW those buds are looking greattt!!!!!!!.Would love to see some pics of whole setup and close ups of trichome production .Those sun glasses look fuckn pimp on that girl :D

[the image reaper]

took the girls out for a few minutes of sun, for a photo-shoot, while I clean up the cabinet ... they still have about another month of flowering left ... this is Day 85, from seed, the last 36 days in flowering mode ... oh, crap !!! :( ... I forgot: I can't be growing dense buds with fluorescents !!! ... :D ... just like me, to ignore the rules ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Reaper plants are looking great.''Hands Down'' one of the best fluorescent grows yet .Sorry but i wont be able to do the Newbie thread i was talking about dont really have the time (Just moved up to a new postion in my job so your now talking to a guy who makes 49.50 an hour and 10% off any sales i make .Im really proud of myself )But for now i will be keeping my grow in the shadows due to some new discoverd ways of growing with the powerful 'Fluorescent' and want to show off when there a little older.But for now keep updating those plants.Makes me jealous to even look at your pictures:D

[the image reaper]

:D ... no need to be jealous, I think your plant outshines mine ... yours was the best flouro plant I've seen in here ... :thumbsup: ... congrats on the promotion, too ... :smokin:

[Brother Schenker]

It would be denser if you picked off those shade leaves.

"R" in High Times taught me in 1981 to "prune for production".
Each leaf removed generates a growth on the opposite side.

Shade leaves...shade the growth beneathe them from the sun.

1+1= 2

[the image reaper]

I am not a believer in picking off leaves, quite the contrary ... those big fan leaves are solar panels for the vitality of the plant ... if one is blocking a bud, I simply bend it out of the way ... it seems to have worked for me for the last 30 years ... :smokin:

[Brother Schenker]

And vice versa, brother. Picking 'em off has served me well for over 25 years.
Different strokes...and all that.:rasta:

[Legalizdahurb]

I have seen a lot of arguements about the whole removing leaves or not so what i try and do is a bit of both, i mainly just remove and leaves that loose colour. This is only my second grow so i dont know how well it works but i got bud last time and its comming now.

[the image reaper]

like Brother Schenker said, "different strokes" ... when someone is having good luck, it's hard to change their views (me :D ) ... when I was young, I bought the first Mel Frank/Ed Rosenthal Cannbis Growing Guide ... I HIGHLY RECOMMEND everyone gets a copy, or one similar, available at Amazon.com, among others ... I read it religiously, followed their instructions "to the letter" ... I have always had very good results by following their instructions ... usually have 100% germination, never a hermie, and I have only had 2 males in all these years, and only once had a problem (my girlfriend over-watered the hell out of them, while I was called out of town, and 10 of 15 seedlings died from Pythium Wilt ... the photos I have posted are the remaining five plants I managed to save (one was the aforementioned male) ...
the best thing about starting your early grows with bagseed, if things go bad, you are ahead of the game, from what you learned from it ... every time something goes wrong, look carefully at what you did right, and what you would change next crop ... :smokin:

[Dutch Pimp]

damn ... takes me back to my brand-new 1969 Chevelle SS396 ... red w/black vinyl top, white leather interior, Crane cam, 505 lift, 330 duration, Isky roller rockers, funny, I don't remember comparing gas mileage figures back then ... cheap regular for 35 cents a gallon, but had to run Sunoco 260 in the Chevelle, probably more like 50 cents a gallon :D ... it ruled the streets of Peoria for awhile ... :dance: ... and my guns ... :D ... hope I don't have a fire, the whole crib will explode ... :smokin:
..it's a good thing, you didn't bring that "rag' to Louisville, the sumer of '69, my hemi Super Bee would have eat it up......Jesus! I miss those days.......yes 260 only...

[the image reaper]

yeah, the good old days ... however, my buddy had one of the " Mr. Norm Super-Super Bees " from Chi-Town Mr. Norm fame .... I saw it in my rearview often ... :D ...
and I LOVE Louisville, great town, and hometown to my favorite author, Hunter S. Thompson ... and the MAN, Cassius ... us scooter tramps used to ride there every year for the Kentucky Derby drunken weekend (I heard later, they even raced horses during our party weekend) ... :D ... :dance:

[Dutch Pimp]

Hemi's very hard to tune for street. I got mine at Grand Spauding Dodge too. Actually it was one of his "special' Coronet's. I saved my bread in Nam and picked one up on the way home. But nobody could keep in tune, the way Mr. Norm did.

[the image reaper]

thats him! ... lol ... old Mr. Norm built some badass toys ... Chrysler didn't screw with him too much in those days.... the local Dodge dealer in Peoria "River Oaks Dodge" built a handful of "Rod Rabbits", 340 Swingers, solid cam, headers, etc ,,, really screamed, 7500rpm+ whiners, but Dodge goofed on him over warranties ... :smokin:

[Dutch Pimp]

Whoa! major FLASHbacks! I thought everyone from back in the "day" was gone. I will mostly sit here on the sidelines, observing. You are lucky that California tries to let you help patients. Here in, Tennessee its all underground, a friend of mind at work died last week of cancer (age41). I hope he liked my presents, I sent him, the last 5 months.

[blackryu2007]

hey nice grow
the qusetion is does nyc deisal/cotten candy have a strong oder?

[the image reaper]

I'd say my NYC/cotton candy/Sage is smelly, yeah, pretty much like a 'skunk' ... my two odor-killer CFLs completely remove any odor, but, in early morning, after her 12 hours of darkness, (ionizer CFLs are off with rest of lights), she's downright stinky ... after lights are on a few minutes, zero aroma ... :thumbsup:
just took a closeup pic of one of my Joey Weed NL99s ... another 2-3 weeks of flower, then relief ... :smokin:

[blackryu2007]

thanks is it potent i know it is a stupid quesiton
and nice thc

[the image reaper]

... and... a couple of pics of the SAGE/Cotton Candy/NYCdiesel hybrids ... all are at 5 weeks of flower, at least 3 weeks to go ... :smokin:

[blackryu2007]

sorry for so many qestion but i am going to start a grow soon okthe grow box spec are 1'wx1'dx21/2'h
the light are 4 42 watts cfls that are 6500k
for veg then swich to 2700k for flowering
its just for one nycdxcotton candy
ok the qustion is how many of does light that elmanet oder do i have to use
they are 23watt and put out 2700k?
oh i will be lst the plant possalby a scrog i have doen a lot of read for this grow

[the image reaper]

for that small of a grow box, one CFL odor-killer should be plenty, ... I have two in a 2'x4'x7' cabinet, and they handle it fine, ... however, when the lights are off, so is the odor-killer CFL, so you would have to put the ionizer in the same room, but outside of your cabinet, ... not sure how well they work on the whole room (although their product description DOES mention entire rooms) ... wish I could tell you for sure ... :smokin:

[blackryu2007]

one more qustion i bet your mad at me
what yelde more Lst or scrog and you are
my grow idol

[blackryu2007]

oh is that enoff light i have for this grow

[Pothead4204life]

that is a horrible grow...Just kidding, you know exactly what you're doing..good job!

[the image reaper]

thank you for the flowers, but I'm just an old dirt farmer ... I know virtually nothing about hydroponics, fancy nutrients, high-dollar lights, (except that I wish I could afford some :D ), I have never scrogged, and about as fancy as I get, is snipping off the growing tip after the plants has 4 or 5 sets of stems ... I learned a whole lot at cannabis.com and similar websites ... I have to say the best education I ever got was buying an early copy of Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal's Marijuana Grower's Guide, back in the early 1970s ... they are still available at Amazon.com, I think ... easy to understand, and they put together a great guide ... my only real advice to a newbie is "keep it SIMPLE" ... start out with bagseeds, so if you have problems, you're not out $$$ ... I grew bagseed since the early 70s, and just recently purchased my first 'good' seeds, the ones in the above photos ... try to have minimum 20 watts per square-foot, 40 being ideal, supposedly, after 50 watts per square foot, the effectiveness levels off (I dont know that, I just read it in a pretty technical MJ botany book somewhere) ... :smokin:

P.S. ... yes, you should do fine with those lights you mentioned ... you can always add more, but you''ll be OK for awhile ... :thumbsup:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey Reaper hows it goin? Those ladies are frosty .And here is a little sneak peak of my 2 little 5 day old plants.(And notice neither of my plants are close to my lights:D )

[the image reaper]

those are gonna be nice ones, that's a lot of leaves for 5 days ... congrats ... I see you run vertical lights ... since I've added the extra rear lamps, I purposely kept the distance about 4"-6" above my plants, I was trying to get some stretch to them, so light would be able to penetrate better when mature ... first time I ever had to do that ... :D

[Pothead4204life]

is that an old school bus back there or something...bet u put it to use back in the day :)

[the image reaper]

nope ... mobile shop ... was always working, never had time 'back in the day' ... :smokin:

[birdgirl73]

Those are mighty purty plants, Image. You're lucky that you have the talent and the ability to grow them. I have a hard time keeping house ivy alive. I won't waste any more room on this board since I'm not a grower, but I saw the image and admired it!

[the image reaper]

thank you, dear ... nice of you to stop by ... :D

[birdgirl73]

This is sort of a dumb question, but it's something I've always wondered about. What do growers do with the other leaves--the non-bud parts of the plant? Do you just trash them? Compost them? Dry some of them and use them to increase the volume of your harvest? I seem to remember reading somewhere that the other leaves do have some THC content. Just curious.

[the image reaper]

yes, all parts have at least 'some' THC, some of the top leaves can be quite good, in fact ... I only smoke the buds, and I may cook the rest of the leaves into cannabutter, for brownies ... :smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

Hey Reaper hows it goin? Cant wait to see those ladies done.But in the mean time heres another little sneak peak at of my grow 12 days old .The one on the right i just got through bending her over .Hope you enjoy .

[the image reaper]

should harvest in about 3 weeks, will be updating then ... :smokin: