risky to smoke while nursing?

[letsdoit]

My friend had a baby last august and has been dying to party again, but cant until she is done nursing. I was wondering if anyone knows if it would even be that big of a deal.

Her baby is 8 months now and is eating food too, so I dont see how one or two little hits would be anything to worry about. Thats all she would need since she hasnt been able to do anything for 1 & a half years!

For some reason she is more comfortable drinking than smoking...:confused:

Any thoughts??..Thanks ;)

[poorprincess]

I dont wanna be mean at all but everything your friend consumes/drinks is in her milk. If it's dangerous to smoke ciggarettes while breastfeeding than it stands to reason that smoking pot would be a bad idea too.

p.s. drinking while breast feeding is so very very bad....

[the image reaper]

I agree, smoking pot, or cigarettes, is not a good thing ... your baby ingests what you ingest ...

[theprettiestprincess]

Tell her no no no!!! That's really not a good idea:( EVERYTHING your friend eats, smokes, drinks, etc. Will affect her childs health! Drinking liquor while breastfeeding is so very dangerous. Wow. Its in her milk when she's feeding her baby. It doesn't matter if the baby eats food or not that has nothing to do with the fact that her child is ingesting liquor. Tell her if she wants to party so bad then STOP breastfeeding.

[kiwi]

:confused: Ok I don't condone alcohol or drugs at all while pregnant or nursing but if your friend wants to have a night off then she can express milk of the day before and store in the fridge, then the day after the night before she can feed baby what she has in the fridge but continue to express all the milk they maybe contaminated and throw it away. As long as she gets rid of all the weird milk then she should be fine:thumbsup:

[LIP]

Well, i know cigs/alcohol/pot are not meant to be comsumed while pregnant/breast feeding, but they're have been tests which show THC doesnt affect the baby, as once the mothers body has used it to get high, its useless, and just a side product. Saying that, id rather not risk it with my child... Or you can look on the bright side... get em into it young lol


Nah, I'd say wait untill shes done feeding

[robert42]

TBH Is it worth it?

tell her not to do it

[daima]

My friend had a baby last august and has been dying to party again, but cant until she is done nursing. I was wondering if anyone knows if it would even be that big of a deal.

Her baby is 8 months now and is eating food too, so I dont see how one or two little hits would be anything to worry about. Thats all she would need since she hasnt been able to do anything for 1 & a half years!

For some reason she is more comfortable drinking than smoking...:confused:

Any thoughts??..Thanks ;)
The dean at the School of Nursing , Iowa University says that pregnant women and those nursing babies face no harm(except arrest) when using cannabis. All her studied contradict government "knowledge" and the government has been trying to silence her for years. Her Name is Melanie Drier. She says that mothers who use cannabis during and after pregnancy need not to worry about the well being of child. I am 50 years old and can verify her research. Cannabis does not effect the fetus or new born in any negative way. Dont allow the drugwar hype confuse you. Dont become a parrot for drug war zealots. Checkout her reasearch. Its open, honest and contrary to what you are programed to believe.
dai*ma:stoned:
Drinking does cause birth defects and harm to the nursing baby. As does tobacco.

[letsdoit]

thanks for the replies,..but now i am still not sure what to think...
6 out of 7 said not a good idea..but daima sounds like he has actually researched the issue..

[Captain Hanks]

TELL HER TO STAY AWAY FROM THE LIQUOR!
it could damage the babys health greatly!
cigs are bad as well, studies show that pot is ok but she shouldnt abuse it while nursing...

[theprettiestprincess]

Well that comment just sounds like ur tryin to find a "good" reason for your friend to smoke weed while breastfeeding. I breastfed my son for 10 months and tho I wanted to drink I refrained because it wasn't worth putting his health in jeopardy. There really is no point of her continuing to breastfeed if she's just contaminating the milk. Not tryin to be mean but its true. Tell her to ask her babys pediatrician "is it ok to smoke weed and drink alcohol? because I really miss partying" and see the reaction she gets

[daima]

thanks for the replies,..but now i am still not sure what to think...
6 out of 7 said not a good idea..but daima sounds like he has actually researched the issue..

Research is a wonderful thing :thumbsup: What the others have in common is good ol drug war rhetroic. They seem to think that what they are told is true.
The government spends a lot of cash trying to put fear into people lives.
The Dean at the School of Nursing said, " We should stick to the facts". She studied new parents and parents to be, intensively, who use(d) cannabis while pregnant. The government has tried to get her to be quiet but she refuses to put politics and policy aboue truth and science. Lucky us.
There are many many websites and literature that actually show us what happens to the fetus when the mother uses tobacco and or alcohol, heroin or meth. Ya just cant find those kind of disasters of those who used cannabis. They dont exist.
As for what you should or shouldnt think? I have all confidence that you will decide what is best for you whether it involves cannabis or not.
As a parent and a grand parent myself i would never ever jeopardize the life of my children/grand children, nor would i encourage other to do it.
I have been around pregnant women and children all my life and most have used cannabis to treat morning sickness and other complications due to pregnacy. ALL of their children are just fine, and the ones that have grown up are very healthy and bright young adults.
The Dean @ the School of Nursing studied Ganja using parents and non ganja using parents and discovered through research that Ganja using parents spent more time with their children than non ganja using parents and read to them more and had stronger maternal bonds with their kids than the non ganja using parents did. She spent 6 years doing the research and study.
Many good decent Americans, including conservatives, have unknowingly been suckered into what the government has spoonfed them to believe. Thats unfortunate. It was Geroge Bush sr. and Ronald Reagan who tried to have all research into the positive effects of cannabis removed from Libraries and scientific institutes, in the 80's. They put out "feelers" to see what the response would be and they were so ridiculed that they put the plans on hold..., for now.
Best of luck with whatever you decide.

Peace and Blessings,
dai*ma:stoned:

[Captain Hanks]

If a fetal cannabis syndrome exists, cases are so rare
that it cannot be demonstrated. Many mothers use marijuana
during pregnancy -- it controls the nausea called `morning
sickness' and many say it actually increases the appetite
and reduces stress. This is especially important in less
developed countries, where modern medical care is not as
easily available, but even so, the benefits of responsible
marijuana use may outweigh the risks even under modern
medicine.

Studies conducted in Jamiaca have shown that mothers who
smoke marijuana have healthier children, but this may be due
to the extra income generated by marijuana dealing and other
factors. It has been a common ploy in the War on Drugs to
claim that marijuana, and especially cocaine, causes birth
defects or behavior problems like alcohol does. This scares
caring mothers into thinking drugs are `evil.' The claims
are not based on valid scientific research -- many of them
do not even consider the life-style or living conditions of
the mothers before pointing at drugs with the blame.

Obviously, pregnant mothers should not smoke as much pot as
they possibly can. If marijuana is abused, it may hurt the
health of both mother and child. Delta-9-THC does cross the
placenta and enter the fetus. Oddly, though, the marijuana
metabolite, 11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-THC does not, and the
fetus does not break delta-9-THC down into 11-nor like the
mother's body does, so unborn children are not exposed to
11-nor. The third trimester is the time when the child is
most vulnerable. Parents should bear these facts in mind
when they make decisions about using cannabis.





14) Doesn't marijuana cause a lot of automobile accidents?

Not really. The marijuana using public has the same or
lower rate of automobile accidents as the general public.
Studies of marijuana smoking while driving showed that it
does affect reaction time, but not nearly as much as
alcohol. Also, those who drive `stoned' have been shown to
be less foolish on the road (they demonstrate `increased
risk aversion'.) Recent studies have emphasized that
alcohol is the major problem on our highways, and that
illicit drugs do not even come close to being as dangerous.

As funny as it may seem, you may be safer driving `stoned',
as long as you aren't `totally blasted' and seeing things --
but few users are irresponsible enough to drive in this
state of mind, anyway. Still, many people have reported
making mistakes while driving because they were stoned.

There are those who think that marijuana is a major problem
on the streets, because of a newspaper article or news story
which they have seen which said a large number of people who
were killed in driving accidents tested postive for
marijuana use. For various reasons, these studies are not
reliable:

o Some studies use drug tests which can only tell
whether a person has used marijuana in the last
month.

o Some studies were done near colleges or other areas
where drinking, marijuana use, and accidents are all
very high, and they did not correct for age or
alcohol use.

o In many of the studies there were more stoned drivers
killed -- but it was not their fault, and when the
police ``culpability scores'' were factored in
marijuana was not to blame for the accidents.

[robert42]

but come on isit worth the risk just to get HIGH??? god Weed aint everything. but hey its her life.

[daima]

but come on isit worth the risk just to get HIGH??? god Weed aint everything. but hey its her life.
Many of the foods the breast feeding mother eats are more harmful than the cannabis she may ingest. Provide for us a website that specifically list the number of dead, deformed, brain damaged babies due to cannabis use. With all the drugwar hype and the billions spent, surely you can point us to just one. It just isnt true. Cannabis has no ill effect of the mother or baby at all. Thats the truth. Thats not the truth your brain has been programed to believe, but it is scientifc truth and all of the babies born are verification of the science. Very healthy kids. No deaths, no deformities, no health problems at all. Thats a fact, not the psuedoscience you tend to lean towards.

Peace,
dai*ma:D
Keep your nose clean
Keep your head above water
keep your feet on the ground
keep your hands off my daughter
keep your back to the wind
keep your thoughts to yourself
keep your eye on the clock
keep an eye on your health
I wish they'd just let me keep to myself
and i'd be fine on my own
They say keep up with the times
keep up with the jones
keep up with the rest of your class
I try to keep an open mind
In this close minded country
thats always telling me to keep off the grass:dance: :dance:

[MaryJaneintheCloset]

The THC is stored in your fat cells, therefore you can't do the whole "pump and dump" thing... alcohol does not stay stored in your body for long, so it's a whole different story. In my opinion, as a Mom, and a pothead, it's not worth the risks of your friend doing it. She cares enough about her baby to actually breastfeed, and she breastfeeds because it's "best". So why jeopardize that?

[daima]

The THC is stored in your fat cells, therefore you can't do the whole "pump and dump" thing... alcohol does not stay stored in your body for long, so it's a whole different story. In my opinion, as a Mom, and a pothead, it's not worth the risks of your friend doing it. She cares enough about her baby to actually breastfeed, and she breastfeeds because it's "best". So why jeopardize that?

The fact remains that there is no proof, or science that a cannabis using mother who breast feeds is jeopardizing herself or the baby. Lets keep fear and drugwar rhetoric out of her life. Her hands are full enough. The science suggest that she or the baby do not face harm. The proof is in the science and the number of babies who are just fine. Marijuana myths cause the harm and anxiety. Alcohol causes deformities. Cannabis doesnt. I agree with the Dean at the SCHOOL OF NURSING. gee whiz, what the hell does she know? lmao
She knows the truth, and the science and statistics back her up.
I am probably older than most here and this is what we have been told for decades.
One marijuana cigarette can lead to death(not true)
Those who smoke pot go crazy and kill their parents(not true)
Those who use pot are lazy (right? tell that to the thousands of actors, musicians, carpenters, scientists,computer programmers, presidents, judges etc etc)
Those who use pot will die within 5 years(never happened)
Those who use pot become heroin addicts(not true)
Those who use pot will cause babies to be born dead(never happened)
Our clinics will be full of cannabis users who suffer from lung cancer due to within 30 years( never happened)
Science and statistics defy these claims.
To the cannabis using parent who breast feeds, or is pregnant? take a toke if you desire and enjoy yourself.
Pump and dump? oh my!! how scarey! how well rehearsed!! lmao:dance:
My advice? stick with the facts and not the hype.:thumbsup:

dai*ma:D

dai*ma

[Storm Crow]

I support Daima's position. First, I smoked through both of my pregnancies and both boys (now 26 and 30 years old) are fine. Second, let me quote from a United Press International wire. (Oct 13, 2005, by Steve Mitchell) " Scientists said Thursday that marijuana appears to promote the development of new brain cells in rats and have anti-anxiety and anti-depressive effects.... The rats showed evidence of new neurons in the hippocampus dentate gyrus, a region of the brain that plays a role in developing memories...." In fact, if your friend drank during pregnancy, she could have PROTECTED her baby by smoking, as shown in NORML's "Cannabis and the brain: A user's guide". "Not only has modern science refuted the notion that marijuana is neurotoxic, recent discoveries have indicated that cannabinoids are, in fact, neuroprotective, particualrly against alcohol induced brain damage." The one problem with smoking, however, is that it produced both carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, both of which are harmful. This can be amellorated by taking Vitamin E (the US Navy demanded that the submariners all take it because it improved performance in low oxygen environments). Also cannabis seeds are highly nutritious containing Omega-3 fatty acids that are good for developing brains and adult hearts. (read this for more information http://ratical.org/renewables/hempseed1.html) So roll a fatty for your friend and tell her "ENJOY!".

[daima]

I support Daima's position. First, I smoked through both of my pregnancies and both boys (now 26 and 30 years old) are fine. Second, let me quote from a United Press International wire. (Oct 13, 2005, by Steve Mitchell) " Scientists said Thursday that marijuana appears to promote the development of new brain cells in rats and have anti-anxiety and anti-depressive effects.... The rats showed evidence of new neurons in the hippocampus dentate gyrus, a region of the brain that plays a role in developing memories...." In fact, if your friend drank during pregnancy, she could have PROTECTED her baby by smoking, as shown in NORML's "Cannabis and the brain: A user's guide". "Not only has modern science refuted the notion that marijuana is neurotoxic, recent discoveries have indicated that cannabinoids are, in fact, neuroprotective, particualrly against alcohol induced brain damage." The one problem with smoking, however, is that it produced both carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, both of which are harmful. This can be amellorated by taking Vitamin E (the US Navy demanded that the submariners all take it because it improved performance in low oxygen environments). Also cannabis seeds are highly nutritious containing Omega-3 fatty acids that are good for developing brains and adult hearts. (read this for more information http://ratical.org/renewables/hempseed1.html) So roll a fatty for your friend and tell her "ENJOY!".

Greetings,
First of all i would like to thank you for your vote of confidence.
However i must admit that i rely on people who have done legitimate research and arent beholden to any "special interests grants" from the government or others who's interests is promoting propaganda. With the research available and the years i have personally witnessed all kinds of behaviors and substance use, i have been able to make an informed decision.
I also agree that any smoke is a lung irritant, but cannabis smoke, unlike tobacco and other forms of smoke does not effect or cause changes in the small airways of the lungs, where damage is permanent by tobacco smoke, or other damaging types of smoke. Cannabis does cause irritation to the large airways, but symptoms disappear when smoking is discontinued.
Those who still have concerns about the smoke are now able to use vaporizers. No smoke at all. No combustable green matter.
You are also right about the seeds. Very very nutiritious. Not only do they contain the omega 3 and 6, the seed is 35% protein, which is unheard of in other seeds/plants, and the seed is 30% oil by volume. It is the tree of life. The Buddha ate nothing but hemp seeds for 6 years before discovering the Eightfold path, his truths. The Ninja in Japan would roll rice and hemp seeds in little balls to sustain them on their travels, and they would use the plant to mark their ability to jump high. The plants grew so fast it was up to the Ninja to be mark his progress by being able to keep up with the plants growth.
Mohammed(sp) would allow the use of cannabis, but not alcohol. This plant is revered around the globe by those who know it best and arent out to exploit it for cash, whether it be legal or illegal gains. They know how marvelous and important this crop is to us humans.
Now...
Where are you from? I live in San Francisco, and i am a single parent/grand parent. My wife passed away in 1989. I couldnt live any place else, nor would i would i ever consider it. I do have a cabin up in the Sierra, near Truckee California and will take my guitars up there and just write poetry and play music. Very quiet and scenic.
My Chihuahua is my traveling companion. His name is Ralph. It was Rusty, but when i rescued him from a kill shelter in Harlem NYC, i changed his name to , Ralph. They were just going to destroy the lil guy, and i am anti-death penalty for all beings.
Well, i seem to be ramblin now. Thats what happens when ol farts like me do bubblehash hits and have time on our hands to kill.

Peace and Blessings,
dai*ma...aka Kanehbosem:stoned:

[beachguy in thongs]

Lactating monkeys chronically receiving 2 mg THC per kilogram body weight orally either two or five times weekly were given a small dose of radiolabelled THC mixed with the THC. During the 24-hr observation period, approximately 0.2% of the labelled THC appeared in the milk.
Modified according to: Chao FC, Green DE, Forrest IS, Kaplan JN, Winship-Ball A, Braude M. The passage of 14C-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol into the milk of lactating squirrel monkeys. Res Commun Chem Pathol Pharmacol (1976 Oct) 15(2):303-317

http://www.acmed.org/english/faq/20-breastmilk.htm

MONKEYS, HUH.

[letsdoit]

Lactating monkeys chronically receiving 2 mg THC per kilogram body weight orally either two or five times weekly were given a small dose of radiolabelled THC mixed with the THC. During the 24-hr observation period, approximately 0.2% of the labelled THC appeared in the milk.
Modified according to: Chao FC, Green DE, Forrest IS, Kaplan JN, Winship-Ball A, Braude M. The passage of 14C-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol into the milk of lactating squirrel monkeys. Res Commun Chem Pathol Pharmacol (1976 Oct) 15(2):303-317

http://www.acmed.org/english/faq/20-breastmilk.htm

MONKEYS, HUH.


Sooo....what are you saying?

[daima]

Sooo....what are you saying?
The usa sponsored a study that was done in Madrid Spain, at Complutense University to debunk marijuana as a medicine. Mice with tumors were injected with 10x's the amount of THC it takes to get a human high. No mice died of an overdose and those that were injected with THC directly into the tumor(mostly brain tumors) had their tumors reduced in size and lives significantly longer than mice who had no THC injections. Some of the mice that were injected with THC had their tumors disappear completely. The usa when presented with the results stopped the funding, which was 3 million usa tax dollars.
10 x's the amount it takes to get a human high folks and ZERO overdose deaths. Talk about safe medicine? The Boston Globe broke this story to the public.

dai*ma the primate:dance: :dance: