FOXBIRD'S First Official Grow

[FOXBIRD]

Take another hit. Swswswswwwssooooossshh nnnngggttt..
OK..

Hello all,
I am new to this site and am going to attempt my 2nd grow. Which is actually my 1st informed grow..
My first grow was all trial and error. However, I managed to yield a respectable amount for the torture I put them through.

And so, if i did the attachments correctly and have figured out everything.
I will now start my first published Grow for your viewing pleasure.:rasta:

[FOXBIRD]

Ok, I bought a 48" cabinet from lowes for 120 bucks.. Its got 2 grow spaces of 22x21x37inches , so roughly 24 cubic feet of grow space. I have a 15" space on top for nutes and supplies. The two Grow spaces Have seperate grow containers. Each holds 3 gallons of water in the reservoir.

The lights for each side are 125 watt Florescent with a reflector, and the other side has a 400watt HPS with ballast. at about $180 and $150.

[LIP]

Looks good

[Zandor]

Need to fix your light leaks dude and your lights are WAY to high lower them and monitor the temperature at the top of the cabinet.

[FOXBIRD]

I still need to get some exhaust fans, so thats the reason for the height on lamps..its just too hot in there. With the doors closed it runs around 100 or more on both sides.. Those lamps run really hot

Anyways, im headed to the hydro store for some nutage and more rocks.

I'll post some more picks later

[FOXBIRD]

what is the highest a temperature can get to before its considered way to high, and not healthy for plants?
I seem to be around 88-90.

[elcheapo]

I think you want to get that temp down by about 10. Unless you are using CO2.

[seasoned vet]

cool it down man, you gonna cook those ladys....get an inlet/exhaust system hooked up asap...

[LOC NAR1958]

65 to 75 is the temp range you want to be in. Get those fans or AC going and lower the light like Big Z said. Other than the light leaks they look good and looks like a good setup. We are all here to help. Welcome.

[FOXBIRD]

Day 17 from seed and i moved a few of the seedlings to the 400 watts HPS side for 18/6..
These i left on the side with the 125 wt floro.

[FOXBIRD]

these guys I put on the right side with the 400 watt HPS bulb..

Over the last 36 hours they have gotten ugly.

The stems and leaves feel solid and not flimsey. they feel sorta dry though..Maybe humidity is low?

I'm reading this may be a nitrogen deficiency also also looks like a overage of nito too.. the stemes are turning purple or red.
I changed the reservoir and add 2 gallons of water with 4mls of GH grow, mico and bloom each. and thats about 6-7-10 but only a quarter of the strength..

let them suck that up for 2 hours and then took em outta the water incase they are over hydrated.. will leave them outta the water till morning and in dark for 6 hours.. 18/6 cycle

Here are some pics of the sick ones..

[MonkeyRacket]

Looks a little droopy lol

[FOXBIRD]

:) [B]DAY 18[B]

My babies are looking much better. Following the new water and nutage. Oh and i got the air pump and air stones for the left side rez. Water is very oxygenated.. making plants very happy i think.

I'll post some more in a few

[FOXBIRD]

Day 18
Rest of the Pics from right side with 125W

[FOXBIRD]

Im not sure if the lights had fried them into that contortion or if it was too much water, but with the new water and small nutages and better airflow in the stones. Also, i took them out of the water for a day or 2 to dry them out a little bit, just to see. and moved them outside the 125 watt door , so they were getting a lower heat and wattage light, and they seemed to respond positively. there are spots on them from deficeincies of the macro nutrients i think , but that will get better with the mixture i have going now..

They are still a little droopy but much better..

Any ideas on what i can do..

Also i wanna get a 1/4 inch plexiglass shield to put between the 400 hps and the plants.

[FOXBIRD]

just some outside scenery

[FOXBIRD]

:rasta:

The small one i pinched at the first node. it has finally started to grow at a better pace. All healed up and sprouting 3 from first node... would have happened anyways, but i believe they will become strong colas. maybe wrong.

The taller one i pinched at the 2nd node and it too is finally growing at a better pace. And it too is sprouting 3 things, whatever you call it.tips? Tips.

Still think the roots arent that good as they have not come out the bottom of the pot.

[FOXBIRD]

:rasta:

Ok these are also still on the left side 125 w and they are my best at the moment. I didn't pinch these at all nor will I.
The roots are really good and getting really long, and strong.
They are getting some really good bubbles in the water right up close to the roots, which I attribute the good growing too.

I'm on the fifth node on both of those now and will start to veg them soon. probably for week from now until they hit 7-10 inches then sex them.

[FOXBIRD]

Day 19 and i have moved this guy back over to 125w on the left side.
I think the 400HPS is just too much for the seedlings, so ill see if the lower heat and lumens give the baby a rest..

[Emerica420]

I have my seedlings under a 150 hps, they seem to be fine.

What Nute mixture do you use?

[seasoned vet]

did you fix your cooling problem? heres a set-up built over the weekend, were sitting @ about 73-75 degrees but heats up every now and then, we just click the a/c on and instant 70 degrees.

[FOXBIRD]

DAY 27

heres some pics, i should change the water in both rezzes but not sure if i should ad nutes or not.

I'll just post some pics and let you guys tell me what to do hows that..
i have really not felt like doing anything to these guys all week.

[FOXBIRD]

these are my pinched babies.

[FOXBIRD]

im up to like the 6th to 8th node on all of them. By mistake i sprayed the leaves with some water from the rez and the nutes burned the leaves. (last week) pulled those leaves off as they were dead. The lights have been at like 18\6 . and i picked up 2 150 watt incandescents and am using those in addition to the 125 floro.
I think i can move to veg, any ideas?
when can i put these under the 400 wattHPS?
Should i just give them fresh water or add nutes.
They really seem sluggish, but better than my first grow.

[The White Snoop]

and i picked up 2 150 watt incandescents
The incandescent light specrum will not grow MJ.
Take em back and get some beefy flouro's or get some serious nuggs w/ MH or HPS.

[The White Snoop]

Okay I read a little more lol...

If you have a 400 watt hps veg with that(after they are in seedling stage.

Some of the plants I saw looked ok and some looked horrid. I think your problem is you have too many plants and too many resivours.

I would keep the 4 best looking plants/strains and put them in 5 gal bubblers (w/ a lot of air) and stick them under that HPS.

[The White Snoop]

P.O.S. server.

Thats all I gotta say.

[FOXBIRD]

DAY 28
Ok last night I filled the rezzes with fresh water. no nutage.

Also, i rearranged which plants are on which side. Really I just picked the ones i liked the most and threw 3 of them under the 400HPS..
I am leaving a few ports open for my cloning trials in a few weeks.(not fresh clones but matured clones that have rooted and vegged a week or so)on the right side.

I decided to experiment with LSTing and pulled a few of them over to one side and hook em down.

I capped off my rezz tonight with 1 gallon of nutrient treated water on both sides. so the strength is actually 1/3. I used 5mls of GH grow, micro and bloom each and 30mls of florashield and 2 drops of super thrive.

Ph was around 6.5 and the temp in the cab stays around 70 with the AC on.. I just cant close the door and leave the lights on cause my ventilation really sucks. I should do something about that. but sela

The roots grew alot in the one day i gave them fresh water with no nutes. a few days ago the were slimey and brownish. had algea in tank. cleaned it up and the roots responded great.

Im hoping the little nutes i gave them will give em a boost. ill change the rez again in 3 days and add a full strength regimen. right now i would say they are in veg stage as they have reached there 8th to 10 nodes.
I have the lights high up to get them used to the HPS and to keep heat down. with the LST they shouldnt stretch to much.
The HPS 400watts is set at 19/5 right now, due to my sleep schedule. and the 125 floro is set to 24 on since it doesnt get too hot on that side.
Cant hurt:rasta:
Gimme some feed back guys please.
INSOMNIAC

[elcheapo]

Roots are looking good. Don't rush the plants though. They still look quite fragile. Personally I probably would've waited another week or 2 before LST. I've seen good results from LST where they are tied over once secondary branching is more established. And then again within the first 2 weeks of 12/12 before the stems become too woody.

[KHAN]

Im no expert for sure but they look overwatered and they def. have some lack of nitrogen. Maybe a little bit of liquid oxygen and some formulex...

[FOXBIRD]

took out a gallon and added 1 gallon of water with 15 ml of GH micro. 5-0-1 hopefully that works

[FOXBIRD]

day 30 veg day 2

OK well, after 2 days under the 400 HPS and an extra feeding of N 15ml, they are still droopy. the temp in there is right around 75-80 and the lights arent even close to them.

If im going hudroponically, and the plants are over watered then how do i fix that, besides just removing the water? i dont have an ebb and flow. its a rez

[FOXBIRD]

DAY 31 veg day 3

getting pissed off. all 3 plants in the front are from the right side with the 400 watts HPS and they are drooping. dont know why, so , i moved them back over to the 125 floro. for a few days

[FOXBIRD]

even though they are drooping they show no signs of slower growth than the others.

[FOXBIRD]

day 33 veg day 5

My plants suddenly turned for the worse today. they are showing signs of magnesium deficiency and also potassium. so i added 1 gallon of water with 5 ml of grow and bloom and 12 ml of micro GH style. its funny because since i left the 3 plants in the right side for 2 days with an extra 15 mls of micro in the rez , they are not showing the same symptoms as the 3 in the back that didnt have the extra 15mls of micro. kinda neet discovery.:rasta:
anyways i looked it up and the problem led to adding some epsom salts in to soil, and since that is magnesium i figured id just put the bloom and grow in too. IM so afraid to over nute my babies that i think i am starving them on accident. but i guess thats better than lock out.

Im actually kinda glad this happened, so that i could accurately diagnose it and watch the healing process. Will probably make the plant stronger

[FOXBIRD]

day 35 veg day 7:thumbsup:

Ok well , i went out and bout 2, 3 gallon rubbermaids.
cut some square holes in one and round in the other. hooked up air stones and tubing and bang.

Picked out a few nice guys and have thrown them under the 400 HPS to try this again.
If they freiken droop in a few days im going to shit a cow.

The rubbermaid holds 1 gallon h2o and the air stone are directly under each plant, and they are really kicking out some good bubbles.

Umm, i think i will add 10mls gro and 5 of micro and 3 bloom. into each rez.
I also just took 15mls of diamond necture and put that in 300 ml of water and foliar feed the leaves. gave em a good soaking top and bottom.
Its 330 now , I shut the lights down for now .. Will turn them baCK on in 6 hours .

[FOXBIRD]

day 35 part 2 veg day 7

Well, my babies are looking like they are enjoying the light and the nutes i gave them. I sprayed the leaves and that looked like it stopped any further deficiencies.:rasta:
I'll find out in the next day or 2 if they start drooping, that will be a horrible day if they do. Cant figure out why they dont like that side. But nothing bad yet so..

I also LSTed them toget more light at the internodel growth. Which has exploded lately. Another 4-6 inches or another week of veg or so of VEG and i will force flower. I dont wanna get too large before i flower them i do have limited space. But according to my feed schedule i should go 14 more days of VEG. I really think I will only need 1 week. wanna have about 12 inch adolescents. then watch as they explode with less light in anticipation of flower and sexing..

At which time i will finally get to experiment with CLONING. I hope to actually get some males. so i can make room.. really wanna find a mom and revert her back to veg and keep her producing clones. Will give me alot to do.

im very expectant for new learning, and input from you guys on the cloning and also , for my Flowering of the females i keep in the going to bud. Im so excited about this.

Any way check out this internodel growth here in my 7th day of VEG, The stalk and the veins look really strong. Growth is now exploding.

[FOXBIRD]

36/8

[FOXBIRD]

36/8

[FOXBIRD]

37/9
I knew they would get droopy!!!

[FOXBIRD]

day 38 veg day 10

Well, they perked up a little bit today then got lazy again later in the day.
I am fairly certain that they may be hungry again. Its obnly been 4 days since i fed them nutes. And the water level is probably down to 3.5 liters.since the tank is holding only 1 gallon, for 2 plants. The leaves feel really strong and rough when you rub them across the grain. the stalks are really girty, and the stems of leaves are thick too. Shiney and thick and waxey are the leaves.

HMMM, what should i do?

Feed them early or just put some fresh water in there.
But they are drooping, so are they over watered?
or does it look like they need nitrogen?

[elcheapo]

I'm not sure but something is not quite right.
Check your temps at the canopy level, ensure the light isn't too close.
Check and ensure pH remains correct.
I don't think they should be getting any more than a consistent 1/2 strength dose of veg nutrients.
Ensure there is more than adequate aeration of the water/nutrient mix. 24x7
Ensure there isn't re-occurring root damage.
Flush once a week.
Make sure they are getting some fresh air and fan circulation.

Too me it looks like a problem with incorrect watering, fluctuating pH, nutrients and temp.

Get all the variables under control then maintain the same regiment for a week or 2 then you will really notice the improvements.

Give us all some more details or pics on how exactly your setup is running and your maintenance of it. The more detail the better.

I'm only a hydro beginner but I'm sure the pros will offer plenty of advice once they have a better understanding of your setup. Keep posting because I can't wait to see them 100% healthy and pert.

[KHAN]

Ok dumb question time but the water your using isn't too cold is it? that's the only thing thats made my plants wilt so it's all I can suggest ;)

[FOXBIRD]

day 39 veg day 11

well, its been 4 days since i fed them and changed the rez, i had put 1 gallon in each rez under the HPS.
in 4 days they have grown about 4 inches and there stalks are very girthy.
They have drunk 3 liters of water. I think my babies are thirsty. so i changed the water out and PHed it to 6.0 from 7.5 from tap. Wont add any nutes right now though. just fresh water for 2-3 days, then i will go to 3rd week of veg.
Just until internodel growth is mature enough. and the plants have reached around a foot high.. they are at the moment 9 inches high. i really think, they will exceed that standard and reach may 15 inches by next saturday.
At which time they will go to flower and probably reach 30 inches in 4 weeks.
I might have to prune.
Pretty baked atm so im just dreamin about the next few weeks to come, and about what to expect.
Man, my first grow LOL i had bought a 10watt grow light from wallys for 10 bucks, not CFL. and i had plants that were a foot high with only a few sets o leaves. now i probably have plants that are 100 times better. Cant wait.

Oh btw, when plants have leaves that are holy and looking like they been chewed but theres no bugs, What is that, ? like the plant is deformed a lil bit?

[FOXBIRD]

day 42 / veg day 13/ flower day 1

I let my babies sleep for 12 hours last night. I really dont want behemoth plants. I know that the growth spurt from the lack of light is like 150% the original size. so im going for 30 inch plants by the time i harvest.
(Swwwssssssssssooooooooosssssssss), (nnnngggttttt) cough cough:stoned:

I bought 2 gallons of distilled water. thinking there maybe something in my tap water. But i dont wanna have my water tested, and i dont know how to do it my self. Also, to make sure this weeks water is pure..

I will be going Sea of Green(SOG) style. So I wanna keep everything at 29 inches high. That will be low enough from the light, at the lights max height.
So in doing this I need to cut out the 3rd week of Veg.Week 3 veg would have been 12ml of Grow, 6mls of micro and3mls of bloom. Instead i will add 8mls of grow. and keep the others the same. and foliear feed again.

Hence the reason I started the Flower period now.They are already 10 inches high With really strong roots and trunks. Huge leaves and lots of internodel growth. maybe one or 2 of these will be male. and I will have to make a few clones to plug the gaps , so I really wanna get to it. I figure that i can get away with 7 inches of growth going horizontal under the chicken wire. Thats gunna be a challange.
Any ways im going togo feed my plants now . its around 12:00 5/9/06..

[FOXBIRD]

Ok on the right tank right side they had 1.75 liters left in the rez outta 4 liters from 2 nights ago. they are drinking really fast about 1 liter a day. I have changed out that water and added 1 gallon of distilled water with 8mls of grow and 6mls of micro and 10mls of bloom. 2 drops of super thrive and 40mls of diamond nectar, lemme go check the PH.. ok after starting at 6.0 ph it was down to 5.5 so i added some pH up and its now 6.3. Im happy with that.

The left tank right side has 1.75 liters left in rez aswell with the ph at 6.8.
So I am putting in 1 gallon of the same solution as above except that I screwed up and put 8 of micro on accident. adjusted pH at 6.5.

Then i foliar fed them with the remaining solution of diamond necture top and bottom of leaves.

I added 1 gallon of tap water to the left side tank added same nutes as right side tanks. make them happy too:rasta: :stoned:

you might have seen my post saying that i broke the trunk on one of them, the one I pruned awhile ago.(MY FAVORITE PLANT) Well, I twist tied it and marked the cut with a marker. it should heal nicely with in the week. I cant believe i did that.:rasta:

[busteruk7]

looking sweet :)

[FOXBIRD]

day 43 veg day 14 flower day 2

didnt change anything, plants dont seem to be getting worse and growth is still booming. still wish they wouldnt droop so much. The temp at the canopy is around 88-94 without the fan on in front. really nothing to report atm.
But I have been getting used to this routine, and I am so used to having to fix something. I'ts kinda weird not haveing a problem. so I"ll just post some picks.

[FOXBIRD]

more pics
Hey can anyone tell the sex outta some of the good shots?:)

[FOXBIRD]

here is the last week of growth 5-3-06 to 5-10-06.
Pic 1 and 2 are last week
pic 3 is this week
pic 4 is them LSTed(and fannedout) meaning i moved alotta branches positioning to maximize the light.

[FOXBIRD]

day 44 veg day 15 flower day 3

Here are some pics of my babies after 12 hours of LST.
The first one im trying for a bonzai look. Its one of my slow starters and am having fun with her.

[The White Snoop]

It would be a good idea to topp them ladies...it will give you a even canopy. Better canopy means better light consentration witch means BIGGER BUDS!

They look good btw

Keep it up!!

[FOXBIRD]

how many would you say to top?
What will happen?
I've never topped a plant this late before.
And by top you mean pinch them right?
Im already out of veg time and into flowering.

[FOXBIRD]

just some updated pics of the readjusted LST's.

[krustythfreakinclown]

Since you are entering flowering mode, you MUST fix those light leaks if you haven't already. Otherwise, you'll have all hermaphrodites, or no bud.

What kind of cabinet do you have there? It looks like my C13.

You need to get a blower; preferably 265 CFM rated. Also, see if you can air-cool your lights via the blower.

Also, make sure your water is below your netpots, not touching the netpots.

Good luck!

[FOXBIRD]

I only have very tiny leaks , but from cab to cab the light is stopped. When the lights are on the doors are open. when the lights are off the doors are closed. Ive read that if a leak is equivilant to the moon than its ok. could be wrong.
The cabinet i bought from home depot for 118 bucks and its a 48 inch utility closet.
And yes, i really need to work on the ventilation and cooling of the light. would love to get one of those tubes and jimmy rig it around the light.

And as far as the net pots touching the water...
Well i have very good roots and they have been stong throughout the entire grow.

Could you send me pics of your cab? maybe i can see something im not doing

[The White Snoop]

This is what I am talking about...Cut the top shoot off even w/ the node. Then you have 2 shoots and that makes the canopy mor even. Top the shoots that are taller than the rest.

[FOXBIRD]

day 48, veg day 19, flower day 7

12:05 AND ALLS WELL!!
These pics are actually yesterday. I didn't do anything to them, they had about 1.5 liters still in the well. when these pics were taken and i fell asleep and didnt fill the rezzes. Mistake, not so bad though, i got there in time.
then when i got home from work, i still didnt feed water them, then about 2 hours ago, i decided to look in the rezzes and they were bone dry.
But the roots were still moist and healthy not dried.
So i added 1 gallon in each rez and added some h2o2 4 mls of it and 3 drops of superthrive and had to pH it to 6.0. I added no nutes. I then re SLT'ed and spread everything out. I have counted at least 70 tips.alott are under and small , but at least half are getting very good light and are growing fast and catching up to the rest of the plant as far as hieght. the plants are really bent over good. allowing max light penetration. ill put more pics from today in after this

[FOXBIRD]

the left side is growing really good too, here is the pic of the plant i topped 2 days ago for fun. also look at the broken stem above. i taped it up with electrical tape, the plant hasnt seemed effected by the fracture. growth is still fast and strong. I definately will not have enough room for all these if they all turn out to be female. I will take all the best femmes and put them on the right side and kill the rest and make clones. that should take 14-20 days and then another 2 weeks of veg on those. and that wont even happen till i get a Sex on everything. which i feel will happen with in 14 days mostlikely 7 days. ill feed them more food on monday for my 2nd week of bloom phase. i will add 3mls grow, 7mls micro and 12mls of bloomand finally 20 more nls of daimond necture, per tank.

Things are happening so fast. ANd im so lazy , cuz im baked.:stoned: :stoned: :rasta: :pimp: :p :cool:

[FOXBIRD]

49/20/8

OK, I have good news and bad news.

I think i have 3 males and 1 female. and those are the ones on the right side.
Not quite sure about the left side yet.
But if i have 1 female and ill know for sure in a few more days. then i only need to clone a few. That will increase my first harvest time, but will help in getting the perpetual harvest going. Since i gotta take clones, This should slow me down by upto 3-4 weeks. 7-21 days to root and 7-14 days to veg before flower. I really hope i have another female somewhere. would love to be in the 5 week of flowering with it by the time my clones are ready to add to the 12/12 side. so ill have about 5 weeks left to flower when i add the clones in and then it will be 10 weeks from there.

Anyways here are the pics i took, try to look at the little ball sacks near the node.
The first pic is the female i think, the pistles are very small atm, but will get bigger and longer in a day or 2

[Trivium]

You might have some males on your case, shitty buzz mate.

Hope you still get what you're aiming for.

[FOXBIRD]

yeah 15 hours later and they are growing bigger balls i think. gunna givem another 4-5 days to be sure. as im not too good at sexing them. bout 95% sure though. Anyways i made some cloners that i hope will work. only have 3 ports so ill double up on it and put 2 clones in each.i wanna just fill the whole tup with hydro and the net pots also then just plunk the clones in there.fill the water about a half inch with a air stone oxidizing..

Was thinking of using perlight, but that could get messy. also read about sand, but it being to fine it would just fall outta the net pots. and i dont have any of those plugs.
Maybe someone can recommend a common house hold item i can use to make a plug that wont comprimise the clones health:confused:

[FOXBIRD]

Home-made and simple, tell me what you think. now, i should not let the clones touch the water. correct? and i can use a very mild gh part 3 mix?

And i also have cloning gel. I do not have any ANTI-WILT solution. Is Diamond necture from GH a good substitute?

[Trivium]

Hey fox, I do believe you should be placing the stem into water.

Now giving the wilt, Im pretty sure zandor has a thread some where on the site of how to mix an anti-wilt solution, I could be wrong though:stoned:

[FOXBIRD]

in the FAQ section "CLONING 101" ZANDOR HAS A SPRAY SYSTEM SET UP, BUT ITS ALSO LIKE A FOOT DEEP. sorry for the caps. my cloner is only gunna be 4 inches deep and the water like 1 inch high and the tip of the stem will be 1 inch above the water. I will have airstones keeping it oxidized and splashing water up to the root site. it will be pretty humid in there, and i think the roof will be kept pretty wet. no?

But if i have to submerge the roots in the water then i will.

Any ways here are some more pics of what i percieve to be nut sacks. and the last pic is of the female. hairs arent too good.

SPERM SACKS SUCK!!!

[Trivium]

Hey fox, yah I guess I am used to soil cloning, I myself am not a hydro guy. Maybe in the future haha.


Anyways, its time to trash those males ya figure??

[The White Snoop]

Submerge the stem to be safe..Don't wanna wake up w/ a batch of dryed out clones.

[FOXBIRD]

I'ts just not fair. I dont wanna kill my babies. Who have been evily tricking me for the last 6 weeks. but alas. i will kill them in at least 2 days. i am still kinda curious as to the look of a male plant, would like to know what to expect in the future, incase i ever wanna grow seeds. just curious. thx Triv

Snoop. thx for the verification on the water submerge. wasnt sure on that.

[elcheapo]

If you are going to grow for seeds at any stage then check out the faqs. There is a helpful guide for creating feminized seeds.

Be careful with the males. The pre-flowers can open very quickly.

[Trivium]

Hey foxbird, always here to help.

Ya know you never want to throw away a good MJ plant, even if its male, but once you get them females you wont think twice about ditching the male. Unless of course you want to breed.

Anyway if you want to look more into breeding here's the link in the FAQ, it does show the difference between male and female. Males have tiny pollen sacs, minimum ammount at first but many towards the end of the plants life, females have tiny white pistons wich later turn into resin glands if not polinated.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=24450

[FOXBIRD]

lol. yeah i know all that, i was just curious about how the male plant advanced in early stages. never seen it. and now i have..
I killed them. sob:(
All 3 of them on the right side.
The female is still in there. and i moved the big one on the left to the right. Give it some good light.
Kinda depressed about this. now i gotta clone and wait even longer.

[FOXBIRD]

52days/23 veg days/11 flower days
Now has to be changed. so its more like day 52/veg day 23/flower day 2.since i killed the 3 males that i know of, i have put the one female back on the left side to revert it back to veg. i will keep her at 24/0 and i moved the big guy from the left side to the flower side and put it at 12/12, need to sex this one now. I still have 3 babies that have been real slow in veg also. I will try to sex them in a week or so. but at the moment I am letting my one femme get really big. However, tommorrow i will take 4 or less clones off her, then take the rest a week later to let her heal up from this cutting. Maybe by then i will have some rooted clones to start up on flowering. after a week or so of them vegging of course.
So in a week or 2 weeks i can realistically have 1 or 2 clones with roots and a week later i could haveup to 15. if my cloner works. and if i do it right. or i could have 15 wilted clones and maybe have an idea if i have another femme.
Also , ill have the 3 little guys in the back at a respectable size and put them into flower. I just fed them all according to there stage. and im baked:stoned: so i dont know whayt i wrote or what i was thinking. or forgot.
so ill talk to yus in 20 hours. ciao
heres some uptodate pics. the little guys and the some hairs on the momma that im putting back into veg. oh and look at the one i pinched its filling out nicely. and just think, i only did that experimentally. that plant was just about on its last stem.

[TwofistedToker]

Dang man, why do you have to be a murderer? Killing innocent male plants like that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Anyway, the rest look good, keep up the good work.

[FOXBIRD]

I'll kill any male that gets in my way.

I am being so damn indecisive.
I just took 8 clones from the femme. and after reading in the FAQ "cloning 101" zandor explained it all pretty plainly. So i have every confidence in these guys forming roots.
And since i am sure these will root, i have decided to be an idiot and put her back into flower. I am being very impatient, and wanna see progress. I dont like being idol and am so impressed with this grow so far , compared to my first grow. that, really wanna get to seeing buds and harvesting.

So here are a few pics of what i have been doing.

only an hour later and they are wilting a little.

[FOXBIRD]

I'll kill any male that gets in my way.

I am being so damn indecisive.
I just took 8 clones from the femme. and after reading in the FAQ "cloning 101" zandor explained it all pretty plainly. So i have every confidence in these guys forming roots.
And since i am sure these will root, i have decided to be an idiot and put her back into flower. I am being very impatient, and wanna see progress. I dont like being idol and am so impressed with this grow so far , compared to my first grow. that, really wanna get to seeing buds and harvesting.

So here are a few pics of what i have been doing.

only an hour later and they are wilting a little.

[FOXBIRD]

54 days/25 veg days/ 13 flower days

here are some other pics of whats going on.

[Trivium]

I'll kill any male that gets in my way.

I am being so damn indecisive.
I just took 8 clones from the femme. and after reading in the FAQ "cloning 101" zandor explained it all pretty plainly. So i have every confidence in these guys forming roots.
And since i am sure these will root, i have decided to be an idiot and put her back into flower. I am being very impatient, and wanna see progress. I dont like being idol and am so impressed with this grow so far , compared to my first grow. that, really wanna get to seeing buds and harvesting.

So here are a few pics of what i have been doing.

only an hour later and they are wilting a little.


Shouldnt fail, but did you apply any of the wilting cream thats in Zandors 101 cloning? I do believe its in there , if not its most definte in the Grow FAQ, Im positive haha.

There coming out to be some nice plants, and those clones will make up for the loss's of the other males that coulda been females.

[FOXBIRD]

yeah i didnt have any anti wilt solution, so i used Diamond necture from GH and sprayed the leaves down. since it makes the leaves waxy and it fortifies them really well i figured that would be a good substitute. Maybe even a breakthrough discovery for cloners, if noone has ever tried it. it will make for a nice discussion.

Anyways the clones wilted within an hour of putting them in the cloner and under the lights. but then perked right up in a few hours. and today they look great except 1 thats still droopy and another i had to remove just hours after i put it in there.
I will put pics in later.
Thx Trivium

[FOXBIRD]

55/26/14/ clone day 2
Like I said, they perked up nicely today.

[TwofistedToker]

Very NICE ! ! Hope they root fast for ya ! Getting plenty of air bubbles in there?

[misk]

lol that plant bout to start flowering is so cute
good luck with the rest of ur grow

[The White Snoop]

Very nice cloner. I have found out that bubbler cloners like that grow thicker healthier roots than rockwool. RW does root quicker but ther are more attentive than the bubble cloner. Let them grow nice 3" roots before you move them.

[FOXBIRD]

does the rooting gel ever need to be reapplied? or is just one application enough?

[FOXBIRD]

got a problem with one of my moms, looks like just this leaf decided to droop.
What is this? Should i clip the leaf before it hurts anything else/?
Looks like allotta leaves are about to show the browning, i didn't see that till i posted the pic.
Pictures are worth a thousand words.

[FOXBIRD]

root pics of clones. dunno how good these pics are but if you see any white bumps.

[FOXBIRD]

59 seed/30veg/18flower left/7 flower right / 6 clones

OK so i have confirmed 3 females under the 400 HPS. the one on the left is 18 days into flower and the 2 on the right are only 7 days into flower, but they have now shown female.

:rasta: :dance: :stoned: :D :thumbsup: :p :)
Great news!!

I need to name these bitches instead of saying right and left and blah blah
need suggetions

[TwofistedToker]

ELVIRA, The wicked bitch ! Morgana, The evil one, and Ezmarelda, The one thats gonna get me wasted ! Muuhahahahaha ! ! !

[FOXBIRD]

your an idiot

[elcheapo]

Plant 1, 2 and 3 etc. Always works.
As far as your dead leaf. I'm never sure but it looks like nute burn then lock out. Or maybe from direct application of nutes. Possibly a disease of some sort. But then again it could be something else.
I think a nitrogen nute burn will first show as slightly burnt leaf blade tips.. then will progress to burning the tips of the leaves' jagged edges.
Then again I could be wrong about that too.

[FOXBIRD]

Well, i snipped the leaves off, and i dont see any further problems.

So, 60 seed/31 veg/19 flower plant 1/8 flower plants 2&3 / 7 clones.

The clones are doing so well under the lid, not so good above the lid. I figure once the roots pop they will start to perk up. so here are some pics of those.

[FOXBIRD]

and here are some pics of my girls. they line up plant 1.(left plant that had the broken stem that i fixed.) Plant 2. is the front right and plant 3. is the right back.

Plant 1 had the leaf problem a day ago. and is doing well, check out these hairs. this guy is 19 days into flower. doing well. the stem has healed nicely its twice as thick now.

Plant 2 showed female 4 days ago andhas lots of hairs now too.

Plant 3 showed female 2 days ago, was kinda iffy on that one for a while. looked like nutz when it wasnt. anyways getting hairy in there too.
they are all doing splendedly.

[FOXBIRD]

heres my canopy of 1 2 and 3, gunna havta sea of green it soon. the buds are coming out nice too. ill put up some pics of those next

[FOXBIRD]

OMFG, im so high, i cant post the other pics right now.arms dont wanna work

[TwofistedToker]

LoL, I wish I was in the same boat as you ! If I was, I could row, and you could sit back and enjoy the colors. :)

[FOXBIRD]

:stoned: i would be able to at least pack the bowl up too for ya.:stoned:

[FOXBIRD]

So, 65 seed/36 veg/24 flower plant 1/12 flower plants 2&3 / 12 clones

some buds here. check out the roots on the clones. seems like they are growing out and not long. i figure in a few more days and they will lengthen. and then ill put them in a pot and start them vegging for a few weeks. just in time for the harvest of the other 3. I would actually like them to explode in veg before i harvest so i can force flower under the 125w floro. in 4 weeks. then switch them to the 400w

[elcheapo]

Good to see things are happening for you!
Hopefully those clones all root.

Also please resize your pictures before posting if you can. I enjoy checking out your progress but lose interest waiting for the pic to download. Try uploading them at 1024x768. Saves us all some time.

Cool dog!

[FOXBIRD]

erm how do i resize the pics? not very computer savy

[FOXBIRD]

Also please resize your pictures before posting if you can. I enjoy checking out your progress but lose interest waiting for the pic to download. Try uploading them at 1024x768. Saves us all some time.

Cool dog!

how do i do that?

[elcheapo]

If you have Office 2003 on your PC then you can use the Microsoft Office Picture Manager. It will allow you to select your pictures then export them in the new resized format.

[FOXBIRD]

test

[elcheapo]

YAY! That was way quicker downloading. :) It was still a little large at 1500x1124. But a huge improvement over the 2848x2134 pics. Go with 1024x768 if you can.
Keep taking the pics at full quality for your records but just convert them before posting. Thats what I've been doing.

[FOXBIRD]

yeah that worked out pretty good. i tested at 1025x768 was a bit small.
I hate not being able to move a picture around. ill get it nice though. here are some nice ones. i made them 1200x 899. hope this works better for ya:dance:
the roots looken good. and the buds are at 2.5-3.3 weeks into flower.

[TwofistedToker]

Ok, Whats the deal? It's been several days since you posted, and I am getting antsy, I wanna see and hear updates ! How are those buds looking, bud? Keep us posted. Thanks :rasta:

[FOXBIRD]

So, 65 seed/36 veg/24 flower plant 1/12 flower plants 2&3 / 12 clones as of may 30 2006. It is now june 7 so i believe the stats are

73 seed/ 44 veg/ plant 1 flower day 32/ plants 2&3 flower day 20/ clones 20 days and 14 days on the newer looking ones, which i only applied the rooting gel once. the older ones i applied the rooting gel like 6times. and thats why i think they grew out instead of long like the new ones are. not sure which i like better yet. alot of my attention was with the clones and i took a break from posting and got lazy. I am very dissappointed in my self. I let my babies suffer and paid for it and didnt wanna share it with you all. As i displayed very poor parenting skills to the point of emaciation. i forgot to refill the resaervoirs here are some pics of the clones and i planted 2 of them. and some of the damged plants. trust me they look alot better today than they did 5 days ago.

[TwofistedToker]

OK, I want progress reports. Show us the buds bro !

[chainsmoke]

how old do they need to be to transplant them to the hydro system, mine are bout a week old!

[cannon]

foxbird, I am going to make a bubble cloner like yours. Did your put the stems in the water or above the water.