So i did i clone them

[highweedskunk]

:dance: I CLONE SOME OF MY FEMALES TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME I TOOK THE FLOWER THAT COMES OF A SIDE BRANCH SLICE IT WITH A NEW BLADE . THEN CUT IT AGAIN UNDER WATER ,, THEN PUT THE HORMON GEL. THE 6 WENT IN TO SOIL ,. And the other 6 are in a container KIND OF FLOATING BUT SUSTAIND WELL with water to the clones bottom end where they where cut . So i hope it goes well how long till they grow root and yes i know some migth not make it but o well..i gave it my best..
thank you all,,, for helping me you know who you are:dance:

[busteruk7]

nice one highweed glad ya got it sorted i have a pic here for ya that could do ya clones some justice if ya look i have put red lines on the leaf this is where you should cut the leafs, well on the new clone the big leafs will sometimes be to heavy for the clone so cut the leafs down like in the picture
also them other cuttings in the tray i would get them planted as soon as pos cause they will die otherwise
cheers buddy hope this helps :)
keep us posted on how they are doing m8

[Garden Knowm]

Highweed... You put the clones directly in soil?

Did you mix the soil with perlite?

I am concerned that you are going to have to keep the soil very very moist for the clones to root.. and then the soil will become so soggy and muddy that they will actually sufocate the roots..

keep us posted!!

Regardless of what ANYBODY tells you HIGHweed.. ROCKWOOL is GREAT..

congrats on your first cloning..!!!!!!!

[highweedskunk]

No garden i just dip them in the gel and then put them straigth in soil was that a bad mistake? Buster what do mean about the styrofoam container there 6 anging on top of holes that i made my self on the top of the cointainer. Inside the container is alot of water fill all the way till the water is touching the bottom of the cut clones is that bad? here more pics any advice is wellcome thank you both..........

[highweedskunk]

why are they kind of curling, bending, twisting?????i think i fuck up for my first time am sadddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[highweedskunk]

seeee

[Garden Knowm]

Cloning using soil... is... well....
it can be ....
ummm....
its not recommended....

and actually.... umm...

Well.. lets just see what happens...

ROCKWOOL!!!!!!

: )

[highweedskunk]

so i should of got the rockwool,,, why what is it whats in it that makes them grow roots??? is it soil or a medium? garden people r mad at me for not doing it rigth am sad today i migth just trow all them away. and when i have money bye one of those 300 dollor clone machine that sprays under the cut of a clone and 2 weeks later bang roots..

[busteruk7]

rockwool is just hardened wool basically but when wetted it holds moisture and the roots can grow thru it with easyness so when the time arises to repot there is no need to get it out of the rockwool you just plant it with the rockwool on
im gonna try some at some point
yeah soz highweed about that styrofaom pot i miss read i thought ya just put the tray on shelf with loose cuttings on top of it all exposed and that
yeah i think its good that ya are trying something like that its always good to experiment and if it works ya will feel good about ya self too
i experimented tonight with a freshly cut cutting i filled a lil empty spice jar with cotton wool ,then cut the cutting shaved it back a bit just taking a minute layer of the part where i cut it dipped into hormone gel and then into hormone powder then i sort of fluffed out a cotton wool ball and made a lil hole then placed it in the spice jar
then finally watering the fuck out of it lol
a lil experiment that might work, if it dosent well i will know then not to do it again ill let ya know anyway
i am starting to know what knowm means too by soil clones
3 out of the 4 i cut a couple of weeks ago went real bad so im up for new ideas like :)
cheers dude let me know how your clones are doing they look ok from the pictures ya posted
so good luck with it m8:D :D :D

[highweedskunk]

huray thanks buster

[busteruk7]

no worrys m8

[Garden Knowm]

Weed...
whatyou are doing is not common...
unless you live in rural south america..

But I agree with Buster.. fuck it...
There are easier ways but you can do it your way.. and if you succeed.... you will be one BAD DUDE!!!!!

and if you fail.. it wont be a big deal cause the odds were stacked against you...

Rockwool is great for two main reasons...

1.When the clones root, yu can see the roots poke out the bottom..
2. The cubes hold air... roots need air... rockwool holds the perfect mixture of air and water for a plant cutting to root...

any way...

dont throw your clones out.. stick with it.....

: )

You da MAN!!!

[rodekyll]

Some of that curling and wilting is normal, especially when you clone straight into dirt with very spindly cuttings. It's a combination of shock, lack of nutrient uptake, and soggy soil (there I said it!). They will probably snap out of it in a week or so. Keep them under weak light, and don't water them for the next week, or until the soil is obviously dry an inch down. You can save them!

GN-- you seem to be an advocate of some method other than dirt cloning. I'm guessing that it's rockwool. I have no idea how to come up with any, although I've received clones from other grow rooms that were in a pellet of the stuff. How do you clone to rockwool? What are the advantages over dirt?

I always clone directly into potting soil. I saturate the soil with straight water in a 4" pot (yogurt cups with holes in the bottom work good too) and run a chopstick about 1.25" down into the center. I use ROOTONE/F powder for my rooting hormone. I have some gel stuff, but I wasn't real impressed by the time it ook to get roots on the cuttings. I use a Q-tip, dip it in the powder and sprinkle it around and in the hole for the fungicide effect. I keep the cutting in a glass of water till I've got everything prepared. Then I dip the cut end about 2" into the powder, tap off the excess, set it in the hole, and push the dirt up around it from the edges of the pot, not from directly next to the cutting. I keep them under a 18w "growstick" flourescent bulb and I don't water it until they're obviously dry, which is usually after the plant signals me that it's getting roots. I have virtually 100% viability with this method -- barring stupid mistakes.

I'm always looking for ways to improve clones!

[rodekyll]

ok -- you posted while I was writing. Good points on the rockwool. Where is this stuff found?

[highweedskunk]

will see in a week i will keep eveyone posted k ........thank you all

[Garden Knowm]

Some of that curling and wilting is normal, especially when you clone straight into dirt with very spindly cuttings. It's a combination of shock, lack of nutrient uptake, and soggy soil (there I said it!). They will probably snap out of it in a week or so. Keep them under weak light, and don't water them for the next week, or until the soil is obviously dry an inch down. You can save them!

GN-- you seem to be an advocate of some method other than dirt cloning. I'm guessing that it's rockwool. I have no idea how to come up with any, although I've received clones from other grow rooms that were in a pellet of the stuff. How do you clone to rockwool? What are the advantages over dirt?

I always clone directly into potting soil. I saturate the soil with straight water in a 4" pot (yogurt cups with holes in the bottom work good too) and run a chopstick about 1.25" down into the center. I use ROOTONE/F powder for my rooting hormone. I have some gel stuff, but I wasn't real impressed by the time it ook to get roots on the cuttings. I use a Q-tip, dip it in the powder and sprinkle it around and in the hole for the fungicide effect. I keep the cutting in a glass of water till I've got everything prepared. Then I dip the cut end about 2" into the powder, tap off the excess, set it in the hole, and push the dirt up around it from the edges of the pot, not from directly next to the cutting. I keep them under a 18w "growstick" flourescent bulb and I don't water it until they're obviously dry, which is usually after the plant signals me that it's getting roots. I have virtually 100% viability with this method -- barring stupid mistakes.

I'm always looking for ways to improve clones!



WOW Impressive.. very cool.. We always cloned using soil in the non MJ garden.. But I have never cloned MJ using straight soil...

Well, every hydroponic store sells rockwool.. and you can find even cheaper stuff at your local nursery. Rockwool comes in ALL sizes...
The cheap rockwool yu find at your nursery is great.. It usually comes in a slab that fits perfectlyinto a cloning tray.. The slab holds about 90 clones (i think)..


Actually I have one.. I would just need to go take a picture of it and post it... :(

LOL

anyway.. where was I..
rockwool.. yeah.. easy stuff to use and like BUK said you can then plant it directly into the dirt or transfer it to ANY grow medium...


HIGHWEED...

i like rode's method of using tiny individual containers for cloning using soil..
Tiny yogurt containers are perfect!!
If you mix the soil with about 50% or more of perlite you will have a much better chance of not overwatering...

: )

[busteruk7]

ok -- you posted while I was writing. Good points on the rockwool. Where is this stuff found?
ask at your local hydroshope dude or local nursery they should be ablt to help ya out
cheers

[BlueDragonSmoke]

Or even try this ...lol.. I use your method with the foam chest... I put 2 air stones on the bottom of the chest connected to 1 air pump. Fill chest 1/2 inch from the top with good water, heating pad under chest...NO root cloning gel or powder, just 1/2 tepspoon per gal. of miracle-gro, now keep in mind I do 2 of these at one time and like 10 plants each.. this is a one time use thing unless you could buy a lot of lids cause when they get roots you cant pull them back through the holes.....da..so everytime , you have to break the lid, to get them out .... but 20 good clones for like $6 or less ...lol I use a 4 foot fluor. shop light with 2 bulbs 14 inches from chest,,, havent had any problems ...YET...lol

[Garden Knowm]

Dragon...

can you post a picture..please?

The clones are hanging from the lid into the treated water?
Is this correct?
No medium... just water, MG and air stone?

thanks for the INFO!!

: )

[rodekyll]

I live in the alaska bush, on an island. The bears outnumber the people here, but growing pot is still legal. The town hardware store has a shelf with some shultz' instant plantfood, a weed whacker and a can of sluggo on it. That's the garden department for about 100 miles around. Getting off the island requires a boat or airplane. There's no bridge. So "going to town" is a pilgrimage we do once or twice a year. It takes a full day by ferry to even get to the closest town, and then it's 3 days before there's a ferry home. Sometimes I appear ignorant of simple technologies that the rest of you take for granted, and sometimes I'll write about really bizarre home made solutions to problems that you folks just throw money at. This is why. And it's why after 35 years of indoor/outdoor growing, the rockwool is a new concept for me. Alas, I'll probably never find any to play with. But thanks for the info on where to find it!

[rodekyll]

Or even try this ...lol.. I use your method with the foam chest... I put 2 air stones on the bottom of the chest connected to 1 air pump. Fill chest 1/2 inch from the top with good water, heating pad under chest...NO root cloning gel or powder, just 1/2 tepspoon per gal. of miracle-gro, now keep in mind I do 2 of these at one time and like 10 plants each.. this is a one time use thing unless you could buy a lot of lids cause when they get roots you cant pull them back through the holes.....da..so everytime , you have to break the lid, to get them out .... but 20 good clones for like $6 or less ...lol I use a 4 foot fluor. shop light with 2 bulbs 14 inches from chest,,, havent had any problems ...YET...lol

In the 70s I worked as a forrester for one of the big lumber companies. My crew would go into the clearcuts and replant trees. We would also plant pot as we went along -- acres and acres of rooted clones in private tree farm land. The cloning process for the effort was really neat and really similar to what you're describing here, except we needed repeatability instead of a one-shot deal. Here's how we solved it:

Instead of punching thru the lid of a container, we'd make "strings" of 48 1/2" plastic tubing about a foot long, connected with duc tape to resemble a picket fence. We'd roll the string of tubes into bundles that fit in big tubs of nute-laced water. Then we'd drop the cuttings into the tubes. The leaves held them up in the tubes, and the water was brought up to a reasonable level. We could pack in as many cuttings as the tub would hold tubes. Crowding didn't seem to be an issue. I don't remember if we used rooting hormones on them or not, but considering that it was the 70s and this was being done on a huge scale, I suspect we did not.

The plants weren't directly handled after going into the tubes. If we were interested in how their roots were doing, we'd pull out the bundle and look through the tubes. When a string of cuttings showed roots, we gently pushed each as far into the tube as the leaves would allow and headed up the clearcuts with them. Each was protected by its tube, and they were easy to pull out and plant. The bundles of 48 were a perfect size to handle and carry along with the required sling bag of treelings. We'd bring back the empty strings and repeat for many thousands of plants.

Just another variation on the theme . . .

[busteruk7]

here rodekyll here is what rockwool looks like i went and got some today
so this should help me a bit more when trying to clone better

[rodekyll]

here rodekyll here is what rockwool looks like i went and got some today
so this should help me a bit more when trying to clone better

Very interesting. Thanks!

[Marc Benson]

I took a cutting off a female that was heavy into flower. One of the lower flowers that really wasn't getting that much light anyway. Dipped it in some rooting powder, jammed it in some regular ol' soil just like I was using for the mature plants and it grew like a weed. Had a good root ball on it when I hacked it down. So cloning in soil does work. Old wives tale that it doesn't. Yes, it may not be the best, but it does work.

[Legalizdahurb]

I always use soil but i put a clear dome (Bottom of pop bottles) over the cuttings 2 help keep the humidity up.

[highweedskunk]

heres a update the clones that r in soil r doing great..so far the other ones that are in the container are doing bad i think there all going to die will see stick around to see the end....

[busteruk7]

allright highweed if ya think they are gonna die try that method we were talking about yesterday that might save them
i redid one of my soil clones in the jar with cotton wool tonight so it should be better
if ya catch it befour it goes to bad it might have a better chance of survival
cheers buddy :)

[highweedskunk]

Hey garden KNOWM now am going to use what you LOVE lol 2 clones in a 2rockwool cubes,, ready set go ,,lets see the results in a week . Hey BUSTER THATS COOL LET me know what happens with that clone i will keep in touch with you a m8...lol

[BlueDragonSmoke]

I wish I could post a pic, no cam right now , not for a couple weeks . But yes just water MG and air stones..well they look like a air stone but there called air diffuser..pits out way smaller bubbles than a air rock/stone . and for lighting I use a 4 foot 2 tube fluor. shop light.works like a charm ..I will take pics as soon as i get a cam and ill start a thread about it and other DIRT CHEAP METHODS i use....lol... I have to stay on a budget just to be broke..lol..lol...peace:p ;) :D
Dragon...

can you post a picture..please?

The clones are hanging from the lid into the treated water?
Is this correct?
No medium... just water, MG and air stone?

thanks for the INFO!!

: )

[BlueDragonSmoke]

Why are you waiting on the ones in the cooler to dye....throw a air stone in the water...man ....atleast...WHAT DID THEY EVER DO TO YOU....thats just mean ...

[highweedskunk]

tru i am dragon right now its onLY 7 dollors FOR A AIR PUMP hey iF HELPS PUTTING C.O,2 BACK IN THE WATER LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THANKS DRAGON

[busteruk7]

ello all i have sort of a done a newish cloning method you might have heard me going on about it in previous posts to this thred so here is what i have done
i got an old spice jar filled it up with cotton wool and wetted it alot
then i cut the clone shave the tip of it a bit taking a minute layer off
dip it in hormone gel and then into hormone powder
then i fluffed out a cotton wool ball peirced it and put the cutting in this hole then placed it in the top of the spice jar and wetted it again thats it
well i redid a previous cutting that was dying and done it this way
and i could see the results the next day it looks healthy and alive again
ill place a befour and after pictures for ya to see
the pics, the clone on the left is the one that was dying
thanks all :)

[highweedskunk]

nice buster am going to try that

[postmandave]

Like it buster. I have also cloned straight into soil. Were i am i had the same problem as roadkyl. There is no damn decent grow shops for miles. So i just dipped them in rooting hormone and straight into soil and used to use half a plastic juice bottle as a dome to keep humidity up. But that was way back now I'm all technical lol.The Postman.
Rk im working on the grammar.

[turtle420]

Rk im working on the grammar.
Haha!

We love you man... we love you :D

[rodekyll]

Like it buster. I have also cloned straight into soil. Were i am i had the same problem as roadkyl. There is no damn decent grow shops for miles. So i just dipped them in rooting hormone and straight into soil and used to use half a plastic juice bottle as a dome to keep humidity up. But that was way back now I'm all technical lol.The Postman.
Rk im working on the grammar.


Looking good! :thumbsup:
And thanks for humoring an old hippie. :)

[postmandave]

Lol thank you both it feels good to look smart lol.Rk to tell you the truth my grammar is something that i have never ever bothered about . Never had to dude. But after your post i though mmmmmm. This dudes got a point here.So bear with me it will get better.The Postman

[highweedskunk]

i said fuck it and wen't to go bye some cloning material check it my survivol rate will increase in this container maid to clone tell me what ya think peoples.:dance:

[busteruk7]

niceeeeeeee why not i would have but money was tight so i thought ill come up with sommat else
let us know what the results are like highweed m8
cheers all
:)

[highweedskunk]

like the results you got buster

[Garden Knowm]

NICE HIGHWEED!!!!!



http://www.plantitearth.com/store/product.asp?pid=91&catid=1

check this out

[BlueDragonSmoke]

This is the way i think of it : If your new at this and have to have a fancy $$ set up then you will spend the next year getting use to it and really geting a good yeald, so its not gonna pay for its self for a while... going dirt cheap like home made things , rigging things up that is already around you is so much cheaper and your first grow even if it bombs cause your new ...it doesnt matter you didnt spend $ not losing anything.... if you get a buzz off your grow your ahead...lol plus its a hobby now not a debt or a bill you will be working toward.....put it this way , what has already been made can be made by YOU.... da...just think ...some one like YOU did it ...WHY cant you ? sorry for the pep talk ...lol...just trying to make a point...peace

[Garden Knowm]

ALSO.. if you can master cloning in just plain water and or soil...

you will be able to clone using any method
: )

[BlueDragonSmoke]

If you can walk in side of your shed for 10 min. and caome back out with a complete, homemade Hydro set up ........you must be a red neck...lol...shit im a hill billy ...lol... thats even worse....lol...lol..

[BlueDragonSmoke]

One more way i have cloned is by using cling wrap ,wrap it around where you was gonna cut it off at . Put a rubber band at bottom of it so it is tied around the stem holding the cling wrap around the stem, sorta like a funnel with the stem in the middle of it ... slit the sides if the stem,just a little, cram anything in there around the stem and in the cling wrap that will hold mosture: perelite,dirt,cotton,cheese cloth,sponge,the filter material from a fish tank filter...any way cram somthing in there....make damp...wrap the top of the cling wrap that is holding what ever around the stem and tie a rubber band around it also...now in like a week or 2 you will see roots .take sizzors....sorry im not to smart ...lol..just creative.. and cut above bottom rubberband and between root ball....sit it in new pot cut other rubberband unwrap and WoooHooo off to the races.....and the roots never got disterbed....I call it ...THE NO WILT METHOD....lol any other method the plant WILL wilt some to a lot if not sprayed with no wilt ....peace

[busteruk7]

One more way i have cloned is by using cling wrap ,wrap it around where you was gonna cut it off at . Put a rubber band at bottom of it so it is tied around the stem holding the cling wrap around the stem, sorta like a funnel with the stem in the middle of it ... slit the sides if the stem,just a little, cram anything in there around the stem and in the cling wrap that will hold mosture: perelite,dirt,cotton,cheese cloth,sponge,the filter material from a fish tank filter...any way cram somthing in there....make damp...wrap the top of the cling wrap that is holding what ever around the stem and tie a rubber band around it also...now in like a week or 2 you will see roots .take sizzors....sorry im not to smart ...lol..just creative.. and cut above bottom rubberband and between root ball....sit it in new pot cut other rubberband unwrap and WoooHooo off to the races.....and the roots never got disterbed....I call it ...THE NO WILT METHOD....lol any other method the plant WILL wilt some to a lot if not sprayed with no wilt ....peace
sounds good i will have to try it if my cotton wool method fails
this is the second method im trying with the cotton wool and the results were seen next day just using water (what is this anti wilt stuff)
cheers alll :)

[highweedskunk]

buster it fail???? why

[highweedskunk]

mines arent doing good but o well....i have seeds lots of them in germanation i started with 50 seeds lets the results lol .......i and remember get high

[ginoberde]

I live in the alaska bush, on an island. The bears outnumber the people here, but growing pot is still legal. The town hardware store has a shelf with some shultz' instant plantfood, a weed whacker and a can of sluggo on it. That's the garden department for about 100 miles around. Getting off the island requires a boat or airplane. There's no bridge. So "going to town" is a pilgrimage we do once or twice a year. It takes a full day by ferry to even get to the closest town, and then it's 3 days before there's a ferry home. Sometimes I appear ignorant of simple technologies that the rest of you take for granted, and sometimes I'll write about really bizarre home made solutions to problems that you folks just throw money at. This is why. And it's why after 35 years of indoor/outdoor growing, the rockwool is a new concept for me. Alas, I'll probably never find any to play with. But thanks for the info on where to find it!


I have kinda the same problem, I live in the caribbean.
We do not have growshops and stuff like that.
Sometimes I wish I could get all the stuff I see on the net, but that is just wishfull trhinking for me
Nobody here knows what rockwoll is, when I was telling someone abot the properties of it, they recommended me Oases cubes.
That stuff is aviable because florists use it.
But it sucks, almost no hydro store delivers outside the US.
I wish the postmandave and Mobay could help a nigga out.
I am in desperate need of some supplies.
I had ordered a 400w MH lamp a few years ago.
It cost $175 but they did not deliver outside the US so I had to hire a courier service.
At the end the whole thing cost me about $450 for a lamp that cost $175
If I could find a company that delivers direct would be perfect, so I don't pay 2X the shipping
But whatever....

[busteruk7]

buster it fail???? why
well im not sure why it failed highweed m8
but i will tell ya how ya can fix it
take ya rockwool cubes and repeat the process and keep them watered always keep them watered the rooting area needs to be wet ish to root properly so keep on top of this but take off the the plastic lid
cheers let us know how it goes
but leave them for a week first just to see if they perk uo again:)