Cannabis Awareness Pamphlet: 10 Things Every Parent, Teenager & Teacher Should Know..

[eddievanzant]

Print this pamphlet off, go to your local library, spend a few dollars making copies, and hand them out politely and dressed like an everyday person to as many people as possible: http://www.truthtree.com/marijuana_myths.shtml

Cannabis Awareness Pamphlet: 10 Things Every Parent, Teenager & Teacher Should Know About Marijuana

"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

-- Abraham Lincoln, December, 1840 This pamphlet was researched and produced as a public service by the Family Council on Drug Awareness, P.O. Box 71093, LA CA 90071-0093


1 Q. What is Marijuana?
A. "Marijuana" refers to the dried leaves and flowers of the cannabis plant [1], which contain the non-narcotic chemical THC at various potencies. It is smoked or eaten to produce the feeling of being "high." The different strains of this herb produce different sensual effects, ranging from sedative to stimulant.

2 Q. Who Uses Marijuana?
A. There is no simple profile of a typical marijuana user. It has been used for 1000s of years for medical, social, and religious reasons and for relaxation [2]. Several of our Presidents [3] are believed to have smoked it. One out of every five Americans say they have tried it. And it is still popular among artists, writers, musicians, activists, lawyers, inventors, working people, etc.

3 Q. How Long Have People Been Using Marijuana?
A. Marijuana has been used since ancient times [4]. While field hands and working people have often smoked the raw plant, aristocrats historically prefer hashish [5] made from the cured flowers of the plant. It was not seen as a problem until a calculated disinformation [sic] campaign was launched in the 1930s [6], and the first American laws against using it were passed [7].

4 Q. Is Marijuana Addictive?
A. No, it is not [8]. Most users are moderate consumers who smoke it socially to relax. We now know that 10% of our population have "addictive personalities" and they are neither more nor less likely to overindulge in cannabis than in anything else. On a relative scale, marijuana is less habit forming than either sugar or chocolate but more so than anchovies. Sociologists report a general pattern of marijuana use that peaks in the early adult years, followed by a period of levelling off and then a gradual reduction in use [9].

5 Q. Has Anyone Ever Died From Smoking Marijuana?
A. No; not one single case, not ever. THC is one of the few chemicals for which there is no known toxic amount [10]. The federal agency NIDA says that autopsies reveal that 75 people per year are high on marijuana when they die: this does not mean that marijuana caused or was even a factor in their deaths. The chart below compares the number of deaths attributable to selected substances in a typical year:

Tobacco 340,000 - 395,000
Alcohol (excluding crime/accidents) > 125,000
Drug Overdose (prescription) 24,000 - 27,000
Drug Overdose (illegal) 3,800 - 5,200
Marijuana 0 *Source: U.S. Government Bureau of Mortality Statistics, 1987


6 Q. Does Marijuana Lead to Crime and/or Hard Drugs?
A. No [11]. The only crime most marijuana users commit is that they use marijuana. And, while many people who abuse dangerous drugs also smoke marijuana, the old "stepping stone" theory is now discredited, since virtually all of them started out "using" legal drugs like sugar, coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, etc.

7 Q. Does Marijuana Make People Violent?
A. No. In fact, Federal Bureau of Narcotics director Harry Anslinger once told Congress just the opposite - that it leads to non-violence and pacifism [12]. If he was telling the truth (which he and key federal agencies have not often done regarding marijuana), then re-legalizing marijuana should be considered as one way to curb violence in our cities. The simple fact is that marijuana does not change your basic personality. The government says that over 20 million Americans still smoke it, probably including some of the nicest people you know.

8 Q. How Does Marijuana Affect Your Health?
A. Smoking anything is not healthy, but marijuana is less dangerous than tobacco and people smoke less of it at a time. This health risk can be avoided by eating the plant instead of smoking it [13], or can be reduced by smoking smaller amounts of stronger marijuana. There is no proof that marijuana causes serious health or sexual problems [14] but, like alcohol, its use by children or adolescents is discouraged. Cannabis is a medicinal herb that has hundreds of proven, valuable theraputic uses - from stress reduction to glaucoma to asthma to cancer therapy, etc. [15].

9 Q. What About All Those Scary Statistics and Studies?
A. Most were prepared as scare tactics for the government by Dr. Gabriel Nahas, and were so biased and unscientific that Nahas was fired a by the National Institute of Health [16] and finally renounced his own studies as meaningless [17]. For one experiment, he suffocated monkeys for five minutes at a time, using proportionately more smoke than the average user inhales in an entire lifetime [18]. The other studies that claim sensational health risks are also suspect, since they lack controls and produce results which cannot be replicated or independently verified [19].

10 Q. What Can I Do About Marijuana?
A. No independent government panel that has studied marijuana has ever recommended jail for users [20]. Concerned persons should therefore ask their legislators to re-legalize and tax this plant, subject to age limits and regulations similar to those on alcohol and tobacco.

For More Information, Write:
Family Coucil on Drug Awareness
P.O. Box 71093, LA CA 90071-0093



Footnotes
1. The same plant, known as hemp, has an estimated 50,000 non-drug commercial uses including paper, textiles, fuels, food and sealants, but these uses are also banned by existing laws. Sources: Encyclopedia Britannica, federal documents and historical records.
2. Coptic Christians, Rhastafarnians [sic], Shintos, Hinus, Buddhists, Sufis, Essenes, Zoroastrians, Bantus, and many other sects have traditions that consider the plant to have religious value.
3. Their personal correspondence and records reveal that U.S. Presidents Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and others smoked hashish, as did Benjamin Franklin and Mary Todd Lincoln. President John F. Kennedy is also reported to have smoked marijuana to relieve his back pain. Many of America's greatest leaders and Founding Fathers (including George Washington) were hemp farmers. Sources: National Archives, published reports.
4. Archeologists report that cannabis was possibly the first plant cultivated by humans - about 8000 B.C. - and was used for linen, paper, and garments. Source: Columbia University, _History of the World_. It was being smoked in China and India as early as 2700 B.C.
5. Turkish smoking parlors were popular in both Europe and America. as well as the Middle and Far East, as recently as the turn of the Century.
6. The exhaustive Indian Hemp "Raj" Commission report (1986) by British authorities found no reason to restrict its use. But the notorious yellow journalist William Randolph Hearst fabricated and published horror stories about marijuana that were eventually investigated and shown to be lies, but not until long after the marijuana prohibition was enacted in 1938. Source: Larry Sloman, _Reefer Madness_.
7. Laws against marijuana were passed a year after the invention of a machine to harvest and process hemp so it could compete commercially against businesses owned by Hearst, the DuPonts and other powerful families. Source: Jack Herer, _The Emporor Wears No Clothes_.
8. Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency. Costa Rican Study, 1980; Jamaican Study, 1975; Nixon Blue Ribbon Report, 1972, et. al.
9. Source: Psychology Today, Newsweek, et.al.
10. Source: All univerity medical studies: UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.
11. Costa Rican Study, 1980; Jamaican Study, 1975; "The legal drugs for adults, such as alcohol and tobacco...precede the use of all illicit drugs." Source: National Academy of Sciences.
12. The FBI reports that 65-75% of criminal violence is alcohol related. "Pacifist syndrome" testimony was given by Federal Bureau of Narcotics Director Harry Anslinger before Congress (1948). However, the "Siler" Study conducted by the U.S in Panama (1931) reported "no impairment" in military personnel who smoked marijuana while off duty.
13. "The only clinically significant medical problem is that scientifically linked to marijuana is bronchitis. Like smoking tobacco, the treatment is the same: stop smoking." Source: Dr. Fred Oerther, M.D.
14. Coptic study (UCLA), 1981; "There is not yet any conclusive evidence as to whether prolonged use of marijuana causes permanent changes in the nervous system or sustained impairment of brain function and behavior in human beings." Source: National Academy of Sciences.
15. Source: Dr. Tod Mikuriya, _Marijuana Medical Papers_. Marijuana could replace at least 10-20% of prescribed drugs now in use. Source: Dr. Raphael Mechoulam. Marijuana was a major active ingredient in 40-50% of patent medicines before its ban.
16. 1976
17. 1983
18. The U.S. Government reports that the oral dose of cannabis required to kill a mouse is about 40,000 times the dose required to produce symptoms of intoxication in man. Source: Lowe, _Journal of Pharmacological and Experimental Therapeutics_, Oct. 1946.
19. In another famous study, Heath/Tulane (1974), wild monkeys were brutally captured, then virtually suffocated in marijuana smoke over a period of 90 days. Source: National Institute of Health.
20. Examples: the "LaGuardia" Committee Report (New York, 1944) and President Richard Nixon's Blue Ribbon "Shafer" Commission (1972). 21.


http://www.truthtree.com/marijuana_myths.shtml

[bwell]

Dude Awesome. I might do it. Might just leave it in one of my classes where the teacher embraces a student with long blonde hair and bob marley shirts.

[eddievanzant]

Good for you.

[tadaa]

Honestly, that information is a bit mis-leading. Grass can be mentally addictive, and being mentally addictive to grass is far more dangerous than being addicted to chocolate or video games. Why not present a 100% un-bias read instead of making it sound like grass will make you live till your 150.

[Theduderino]

Honestly, that information is a bit mis-leading. Grass can be mentally addictive, and being mentally addictive to grass is far more dangerous than being addicted to chocolate or video games. Why not present a 100% un-bias read instead of making it sound like grass will make you live till your 150.

Where did you go to school? One being addicted to chocolate, especially chocolate with lots of sugar, will gain weight, and be prone to heart attacks. It also seems you have totally misread the article for there is no indication, at all, that the article mentioned one living until they were 150. So stop exaggerating already...

Also, as the article mentioned, it depends on the individual, meaning you would have to be an idiot to smoke 24/7 like an individual eating chocolate 24/7 (which is still worse mind you). If you become mentally addicted to cannabis, then you have no responsibility, like an individual who is over-weight yet still over-eating, like an individual who smokes 3 packs of cigs a day, like an individual who is an alcoholic. Yet, besides cannabis, everything else I mentioned are legal yet much more dangerous.

If you believe cannabis is far more dangerous than eating large quantities of chocolate then, by all means, stuff your face with chocolate and we'll see how long you last.

The Duderino

[thecurious1]

Honestly, that information is a bit mis-leading. Grass can be mentally addictive, and being mentally addictive to grass is far more dangerous than being addicted to chocolate or video games. Why not present a 100% un-bias read instead of making it sound like grass will make you live till your 150.

Heh, read the footnotes amigo. It states physical addiction there....not mental addiction.. No point in mentioning mental addiction because ANYTHING can be psychologically addicting.

I agree with always giving the STRAIGHT answer and I personally think it does a pretty decent job. Just gotta read the footnotes ;)

Great job to the original poster. People SERIOUSLY need to do this!

[halo]

Honestly, that information is a bit mis-leading. Grass can be mentally addictive, and being mentally addictive to grass is far more dangerous than being addicted to chocolate or video games. Why not present a 100% un-bias read instead of making it sound like grass will make you live till your 150.

Its no more mentally addictive than anything else that produces pleasure is. Ever watch Maury and listen to that Obese people who are addicted to food. Eating food provides such pleasure to them that they feel addicted to it. Getting 'addicted' to weed is the same as that.

[whitewalltoker]

you can be addicted to anything psychologically, like this board or martial arts, or stamps(?)

[tadaa]

Where did you go to school? One being addicted to chocolate, especially chocolate with lots of sugar, will gain weight, and be prone to heart attacks. It also seems you have totally misread the article for there is no indication, at all, that the article mentioned one living until they were 150. So stop exaggerating already...

Also, as the article mentioned, it depends on the individual, meaning you would have to be an idiot to smoke 24/7 like an individual eating chocolate 24/7 (which is still worse mind you). If you become mentally addicted to cannabis, then you have no responsibility, like an individual who is over-weight yet still over-eating, like an individual who smokes 3 packs of cigs a day, like an individual who is an alcoholic. Yet, besides cannabis, everything else I mentioned are legal yet much more dangerous.

If you believe cannabis is far more dangerous than eating large quantities of chocolate then, by all means, stuff your face with chocolate and we'll see how long you last.

The Duderino

Chocolate won't make you gain weight unless you're eating enough of it to put yourself over your bodies bmr, not that you have any clue what that is. Anywho, the 10 facts listed don't mention any negative side effects from the plants use, you're just as bad as the gov when you don't present the facts.

[beachguy in thongs]

Mentally addictive means that you tell yourself that you're addicted.

To be psychologically addicted means that you crave the drug after it's use.

[tadaa]

Mentally addictive means that you tell yourself that you're addicted.

To be psychologically addicted means that you crave the drug after it's use.

Nope. There are two kinds of addictions, mental(psychological) and chemically addictive. Chem. addictive means there's a chemical present in the substance that makes your body need it, nicotine etc...

I can't believe seasoned pot smokers don't know basic shit like this.

[beachguy in thongs]

You have no right to talk down to me, tadaa, especially since you're not proving that you know what psychological addiction is.

Coke is very addictive. It can be very difficult to resist the craving and strong psychological dependance due to changes in the brain. Recent evidence suggests possible long-term changes to the nervous system.

Although psychological dependance is more of a problem than physical withdrawal symptons, low mood and feeling very rough soon after stopping can also tempt people to take more coke. A habit can be expensive and take over your life.

Psychological addiction is the mind's adjustment to the brain's physiological impressions.
A mind confused with a body image will identify with the body's physiological rush (high) as a psychological reality. The psychological association of this rush is introduced to the body through various forms: obsessions with food, mood-altering chemicals, gambling and sex, to name a few.http://www.edgenews.com/issues/2001/09/karayan.htmlThere, you're putting marijuana with cocaine, again.

Psychological Addiction: This is often the more difficult problem to cope with.
Over a number of years of smoking the habit has been repeated many thousands of times and frequently re-enforced.
A smoker will smoke when they are happy, when they are sad, stressed, anxious, bored, having a good time, having a bad time, celebrating, commiserating, after a meal, with a cup of tea, coffee or alcohol, with friends, when they are alone, on the phone, in the car etc.etc.etc.
The Cigarette is in Control !!!!
It is a very liberating feeling when you take back that control
The desire to smoke will be strong, accept this desire, you have smoked for a very long time, you will not forget that once you were a smoker, but you are now taking back the control and making a free choice not to smoke


Psychological addiction: This is when you repeatedly behave in a certain way, so that your mind comes to feel you can't manage in any other way. Any activity that changes your mood can produce mental cravings, e.g the 'buzz' from winning on a fruit machine makes you feel good, so you feel driven to go back and gamble again to get the same feeling.http://www.fmhsussex.co.uk/addiction.htm

Cannabis is not an opioid.

Sorry that I forgot to put a couple links.

[tadaa]

You have no right to talk down to me, tadaa, especially since you're not proving that you know what psychological addiction is.

There, you're putting marijuana with cocaine, again.



Cannabis is not an opioid.

Sorry that I forgot to put a couple links.

My point is still correct that there are 2 kinds of addiction, psych and chemical.

The fact is that habitually smoking grass has OBVIOUS side effects, come on, we all know what they are-we are the ppl that use it.

[beachguy in thongs]

What is you're point about psychological? What is it? How can being psychologically addicted to Cannabis be the same as gambling or sex, when Cannabis doesn't reward your brain through the dopamine receptors, as gambling and sex do?

[BongSmokityDuo]

What are these so called negative side effects? I smoke like a mad man and I don't see any of them....

[Freshy]

tadaa, dopamine receptors are what create your addictive behavior.

just wanted to put that out before you make a fool of yourself. and the obvious side-effects (smoking, take out 3 for eating):
1. for many people, acne
2. short term memory loss for about 30 days
3. bronchitis
4. not sure about this, but when ur high ur sperm count is reduced?

side effects of tobacco:
1. bronchitis
2. cancer
3. death

side effects of alcohol:
1. depression
2. liver failure
3. death

side effects of chocolate (in large quantities):
1. acne (it's oily or something)
2. weight gain
3. stunted growth (i assume that's from caffeine)
4. heart attack (from caffeine and weight gain)

side effects of video games:
1. bad eyes.
etc. etc.

[BongSmokityDuo]

my skin is fabulous, i'm sharp as a tack, lungs are as strong as an ox's and I don't want to get any girls pregnant....so gimme that weed!

[Gumby]

http://stores.ebay.com/PRINTINUS-COM

i got 1000 flyers from this guy on green paper for $30 shipped... i haven't got them in yet but i'll let you know how they look, but that's cheap for copies... you can get them on white paper for $.02 a copy.

[eddievanzant]

I chose this list because it was as unbiased as it needs to be. Tadaa, you just have sand in your vagina or something. There's no reason to talk down to people like I've seen you do on several occassions, and this list is less biased then you claim it is. If you read the footnote I doubt you'd have said what you did in your first post. Also, this list discourages the use of cannabis by minors and says that while it is less dangerous than tobacco, anything being smoked will cause some harm.

Tell me how this list is biased.

[GggGGGGGGGGGGGanja]

you can be addicted to anything psychologically, like this board or martial arts, or stamps(?) hahahahhaa

[imagoober]

Lots of good information there! Thank you:thumbsup:

[tadaa]

If you can become addicted to gambling, video games, chocolate or alcohol you can become addicted to marijuana, is it really that hard to understand?

In fact, failure to admit your addiction is one of the first signs of addiction itself. I can gurantee that everyone in this thread couldn't quit smoking pot right now, even if they wanted to, including myself.

[beachguy in thongs]

I can gurantee you wrong.

"For psychological dependency (read chronic, consistent use), Reinforcement is a key (understand both positive and negative reinforcement)."
http://www.umsl.edu/~rkeel/180/addict.html

You should know, as a marijuana addict, that there are no reinforcing properties of cannabis.

[Shelbay]

But why would we want to stop? Its good for me so I guess I will take a label instead of proving you wrong.

[soxsuk6432]

Although tadaa always comes off as a dickhole. He is sort of right. It would make people more ready to believe the pamphlet if you gave the negative aspects of smoking marijuana. Although they aren't very seroius acknowledging the governments studies to a certain extent would make people more ready to believe that stuff. Because there are some. If you smoke daily for a while your memory can get worse, alot of people get a cough, and there are some other side effects I can't think of right now.

[beachguy in thongs]

If you can become addicted to gambling, video games, chocolate or alcohol you can become addicted to marijuana, is it really that hard to understand?
I can gurantee that everyone in this thread couldn't quit smoking pot right now,

If you can become addicted to gambling, video games, chocolate or alcohol, you can become addicted to paychecks and providing food for your family. None of that is the same as using marijuana. Why don't you find me some proof to back up your theories? I always find something to show that I know what I'm talking about, so from now on, unless you show me some backup, then I'm gonna consider you a crazy old-lady going off her rocker, saying "Awww, I've got more problems than Carter has liver pills."


I can gurantee that everyone in this thread couldn't quit smoking pot right now,
I can gurantee that you're not too compassionate and can give a shit about others.

[420ultimatesmokage]

any mood altering chemical is going to have a potential for addiction

[beachguy in thongs]

And find me proof that Cannabis alters moods.

[beachguy in thongs]

To be overly simplistic: If dopamine is altered, then one may be out of touch with reality; if GABA is altered, one may be anxious; if Acetylcholine is altered, then one may have memory problems; if norepinephrine is altered, one may be manic high; and if serotonin is altered, one may be depressed, worried, more irritable, and have insomnia.

Serotonin may play a role in depression, anxiety, sleep, sexual issues, eating issues, pain perception, obsessive worry, panic disorders, aggression, and PMS. Norepinephine may play a role in bipolar disorders, depressions, and attention problems. Dopamine may play a role in a loss of touch with reality, attention deficit issues, drug addictions, and in mood, as well. GABA may play a strong role in anxiety and some addiction issues. Acetylcholine plays a role in memory. Histamine may play a role in sleep and weight gain.

http://www.minirthclinic.com/digest-downloadpg1.html

[420ultimatesmokage]

never mind.

[BizzleLuvin]

thanks

[tadaa]

And find me proof that Cannabis alters moods.

Um do you smoke pot?

[beachguy in thongs]

Yeah, and never do I smoke to get in a good mood, or bad mood.

Darma, to be an addict, you have to become physically or psychologically dependent. All my points have been proven, not one single one of your has.

I can wake up, anyday, and say that I won't smoke pot, today, and, actually, accomplish it.

[beachguy in thongs]

Grass can be mentally addictive, and being mentally addictive to grass is far more dangerous than being addicted to chocolate or video games.
Just, go back to your original point and try to prove that, first.

[tadaa]

Just, go back to your original point and try to prove that, first.

I have a friend that *thinks* he can't go to sleep unless he smokes. It's in his mind that he can't sleep without it. It's the same thing with sleeping pills. People get hooked on them, but there is no chemical dependency. Enough said. People can begin to think that they can't have a good time unless they're high, or they can't get through the day unless they get high. Jesus fucking christ, if you smoke pot and have friends that smoke pot and you don't know this you're a fucking retard.

[beachguy in thongs]

Fuck you and your "Jesus fucking christ", tadaa. You're a retard for trying to get someone to listen to what you say by using your weak-willed friend as an example.

Tell him to start taking Melatonin supplements.

[beachguy in thongs]

Tranquilizers and Sleeping Pills
General Description

Drug Class: Central Nervous System Depressants
http://www.daap.ca/factsontranquilizers.html

This is the same "train of thought" that the government used when they outlawed this dangerous weapon which can destroy lives and make the world a bunch of "addicts".

[beachguy in thongs]

Fifth of all, you have to prove that marijuana is a chemical that affects the central nervous system.

Otherwise, you can't call it a drug. If the U.S. legalizes it, as a drug, then good. But drugs are chemicals which affect the CNS.

[tadaa]

Marijuana also tends to make people lazy and unproductive, to a certain degree. There are numerous side effects involved with it. The fact that you're stating that there are NO negative side effects what so ever associated with marijuana is utterly ridiculous and insane.

[Shelbay]

I know many "lazy and unproductive people"...not the first of them even smoke or ingest MJ...they just want their EBT cards validated ...the same ones that have 2 buggies full of food and never worked in their life...unless you call playing the system work. The MJ people I know have jobs..some of them are working 80-90 hours a week.

[beachguy in thongs]

You're ridiculous and insane.

You're right. In genetically lazy and unproductive people, Marijuana may not work. Some people are overachievers and, just because they don't use drugs, doesn't give any correlation between "pot-smoking" and "success".



Marijuana also tends to make people lazy and unproductive, to a certain degree. Prove it. I've seen RECENT studies proving the opposite. I'm sure others have, too.
There are numerous side effects involved with it. The fact that you're stating that there are NO negative side effects what so ever associated with marijuana is utterly ridiculous and insane.
Here ya' go, again, with your abstract statements. I can easily say that it's utterly sane and prove it.

[beachguy in thongs]

9) Is it true that marijuana makes you lazy and unmotivated? Not if you are a responsible adult, it doesn't. Ask the U.S. Army. They did a study and showed no effect. If this were true, why would many Eastern cultures, and Jamaicans, use marijuana to help them work harder? `Amotivational syndrome' started as a media myth based on the racial stereotype of a lazy Mexican borracho. The prohibitionists claimed that marijuana made people worthless and sluggish. Since then, however, it has been scientifically researched, and a symptom resembling amotivational syndrome has actually been found. However, it only occurs in adolescent teenagers -- adults are not affected.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml#3-9

[tadaa]

Ok then you fucking idiot, lets start a thread taking a poll asking which memebers of this website have a college degree. I bet, if everyone told the truth, it would be 1 in 100, at best. Yet somehow there is no relationship with pot and success, right.

The fact is that you refuse to except the facts because you're a user of the substance in question. I find it rather amusing that you're claiming there are zero side effects associated with pot. I really honestly didn't beileve there was anyone that stupid on this earth.

[beachguy in thongs]

Okay. Then you fucking asshole. Let's start talking on each other's level, then. I bet, if everyone told the truth, they'd said that you're full of shit.

I like civil arguments, not one's immaturishly soaked in vulgarity.

By the way, what college did you got to?

[Shelbay]

tooda...are you trying to be Joe Friday or your just out? And your also a hypocrite talking to beachguy like you are and trying to insult his intelligence..he has disputed all your "knowledge" and you seem to be frustrated and started cussing him...if you don't like the plant..bye.

[tadaa]

Okay. Then you fucking asshole. Let's start talking on each other's level, then. I bet, if everyone told the truth, they'd said that you're full of shit.

I like civil arguments, not one's immaturishly soaked in vulgarity.

By the way, what college did you got to?

The University of Akron. How many lawyers do you know that are pot heads? How many doctors? How many burnouts do you know that are pot heads? Gee, I wonder why you know more burnouts that are pot heads than lawyers or doctors...

[beachguy in thongs]

Well, every doctor that I know is all for Marijuana. It has no place in some people's lives. Whether they choose to smoke is their business, but they only talk about it being good for you. Doctors don't say things that they haven't studied. Doctors, also, don't say things that they have no proof for, unless they tell you that they have no proof. They're very strict in their language because it means the difference between losing their licenses, or not.

I did know a prominent judge who had parties at his cabin in Lake Georg, N.Y., who smoked his Herb out of a bong.

And you are so pompous. You think you know everything about everybody.

You're terribly wrong about this fact: "Gee, I wonder why you know more burnouts that are pot heads than lawyers or doctors...
Reply With Quote"

I can't name any potheads. However, I do know a few millionaires, including my brother.

You think you're a gypsy with a crystal ball, but you're not. Life isn't what you think it is.

[beachguy in thongs]

Oh, and Lawyers have to do everything by the book.

I can prove that to you by asking my friend, Rob.

[Reefer Rogue]

When you eat cannabis or vapourize it, there are little, if any, negative side effects.

[beachguy in thongs]

That brings up another interesting situation.

Lawyers, and other public services, have to sell themselves in order to gain success. They don't want the Judge thinking they they smoke Herb, nor do they want their clients.

Maybe, in 100 years, the general population will want doctors who smokes joints with their patients before surgery.

Getting high allows a great deal of information to enter your head, at once. Therefore, never, will people want a Lawyer who'll get high before court.

[beachguy in thongs]

Gee, I wonder why you know more burnouts that are pot heads than lawyers or doctors...
I know three people who smoke Herb, including me. A college student, who works for his step-father, and a college teacher.

[beachguy in thongs]

Getting high allows a great deal of information to enter your head, at once. Therefore, never, will people want a Lawyer who'll get high before court.
But you never know...

[Reefer Rogue]

No wonder you have so many posts ;O

[Gumby]

Beach guy... there is not point in talking with tadaa... he is an ignorant peon, who can't think of a single thought by himself. He has No general conception or maijuana and gives all of us who smoke it and fight for it's legalization a bad name. never have I seen him reference another source to back up his information, nor have i seen him provide facts about anything he says. Althought you and I may disagree on some parts I hope you understand how a discussion between two people, is different than reaming at an idiot. I only say this cause I've been caught up before trying to explain to that dumbass that he needs to learn how to talk, rather than use illogical random thoughts. Just ignore him, he's a lost cause... as much as i hate to say that about anyone who doesn't realize what marijuana truly is, I don't think he cares. From what I've read he either argues for argument's sake or is part of the DEA and he believes all the lies they tell him and is here merely to spread them around. So, just forget about him...

But as for there being no side effect, cannabis may or may not have negative side effects, I'm not sure on that matter personaly. I don't think it being on schedule 1 helps in anyway. But I must say that smoking anything isn't good. Marijuana is the only thing that I smoke, (ciggarettes kill over 100,000 people a year, not me), but I still cough and hack up some nasty crap sometimes... which I know comes from smoking. If it's vaporized or eaten I can see a different arguement, but anything that is smoked will have some negative benefits and I don't think that should be hidden...

Should it be numebr 1 on the list no, or even on the list... no... but to not think that some people will not have a negative experience with marijuana is somewhat naive.

[beachguy in thongs]

No wonder you have so many posts ;O
I know. It started last summer, back in the Spirituallity forums.

I know that anyone can say that anything foreign is harmful to your body. But, when the same harmful, foreign substance counteracts it's harmful effects, I'd rather not consider them. No one can say that marijuana smoke harms the lungs, because when it enters, it either passes through the large-flat part into the bloodstream, or you expel it.

These are the kind of studies to prove that it harms your lungs:
Marijuana Smoking Bad for Lungs
(2002)
A new study found that smoking marijuana is just as bad for the lungs as smoking cigarettes, the New Zealand Herald reported Aug. 13.

"You can't say cannabis is safe any more than you can say tobacco is safe. The health message is clear - don't be burning vegetable matter and inhaling it," said study author Robin Taylor, associated professor at the Dunedin School of Medicine in New Zealand.

For the study, researchers examined 900 people between the ages of 18 to 26 to see how much breath they could expel forcefully from their lungs.

The researchers found that people who smoked either marijuana or tobacco expelled less air in one second than non-smokers. Furthermore, it took smokers longer to expel all the air from their lungs because their airways had narrowed slightly.

The researchers also found that participants who smoked marijuana and tobacco had even narrower airways and greater decrease in airflow.

Researchers plan to conduct a follow-up study when the participants are aged 32 to 37.

Doctors in Scotland said that smoking marijuana just once or twice a day for a number of years could lead to serious lung disease, Reuters reported March 21.
â??It might be that the psychoactive part of cannabis is harmless but the actual process of smoking, whatever you are smoking, can do your lungs harm,â?� said Dr Martin Johnson of Glasgow Royal Infirmary.
As part of the study, Johnson and fellow scientists studied four men with a type of emphysema. There was no other genetic susceptibility or explanation for the lung disease except that all four men were heavy cannabis smokers.


But, here's the facts:


Since 1982, UCLA researchers have evaluated pulmonary function and bronchial cell characteristics in marijuana-only smokers, tobacco-only smokers, smokers of both, and non-smokers. Although they have found changes in marijuana-only smokers, the changes are much less pronounced than those found in tobacco smokers.

The nature of the marijuana-induced changes were also different, occurring primarily in the lung's large airways - not the small peripheral airways affected by tobacco smoke. Since it is small-airway inflammation that causes chronic bronchitis and emphysema, marijuana smokers may not develop these diseases.

[Shelbay]

Beachguy you are going to be part of my book..well information from your posts will be.:thumbsup: I should be doing what you are in posting lnks but it makes more sense for me to come here and read posts by the people that have actually experienced MJ..and its benefits to people. You know its like someone that has never drank alcohol trying to sponsor someone that is an alcoholic..unless someone has been there and done it so to speak I don't accept their "findings"..just my way..anyways thanks for taking the time to post relevant positive information like you do on MJ.:thumbsup:

[tadaa]

I know three people who smoke Herb, including me. A college student, who works for his step-father, and a college teacher.

wow, 3 people out of almost 300 million in this country. The bottom line is that if you rounded up every person that smokes pot you would have more failures than great successes. Marijuana can lead to a decrease in motivation if it's abused. Smoking ANYTHING is bad for your body. Putting smoke in your lungs isn't going to make you live longer.

[Reefer Rogue]

wow, 3 people out of almost 300 million in this country. The bottom line is that if you rounded up every person that smokes pot you would have more failures than great successes. Marijuana can lead to a decrease in motivation if it's abused. Smoking ANYTHING is bad for your body. Putting smoke in your lungs isn't going to make you live longer.

That's why you can vapourize or eat cannabis. :thumbsup:

[beachguy in thongs]

wow, 3 people out of almost 300 million in this country. The bottom line is that if you rounded up every person that smokes pot you would have more failures than great successes. Marijuana can lead to a decrease in motivation if it's abused. Smoking ANYTHING is bad for your body. Putting smoke in your lungs isn't going to make you live longer.
I'm talking about at this moment.

Every single one of my "good" friends from High School has a college diploma, and, about 75% were Weed smokers throughout college.

[LIP]

I think i'll do that at work lol...

[tadaa]

That's why you can vapourize or eat cannabis. :thumbsup:

And how many people do you know that only eat it and don't smoke it? Lets be realistic here, 90% of it is smoked.

[tadaa]

I'm talking about at this moment.

Every single one of my "good" friends from High School has a college diploma, and, about 75% were Weed smokers throughout college.

A degree with a 1.75 gpa isn't worth much.

[Reefer Rogue]

And how many people do you know that only eat it and don't smoke it? Lets be realistic here, 90% of it is smoked.

The choice is there. I do prefer my bubbler to my vape for some reason...

[tadaa]

The choice is there. I do prefer my bubbler to my vape for some reason...

So what if the choice is there? The choice is also there to drive 5mph in your car on the shoulder to get to work, you'd be a lot safer, does that mean we should base driving statistics on people that drive 5mph on the shoulder?

Of course not. Why? Because nobody does it, or hardly anyone does it. Most pot is smoked, so we should base its health stats on smoking it, not eating it because not many people do that.

[Freshy]

i'm in high school, i have a 4.0 (unweighted) and as a freshman scored a 26 on the ACT (that means, all I have to do is learn something within my 4 years and I will get a scholarship). I'm going to test out of Spanish for college next month. (that sounds smug, but i'm giving you an example)

and i think it's illegal to drive 5mph on the shoulder (under low speed limit, and on the shoulder).

personally, i prefer to eat it.

PS. patients who were given a canabinoid pill after suffering brain trauma recovered better than those who hadn't been given the pill. this is from a 2003 study. they have since been working on C2 instead of dexanabinol.

the test results are here (http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=BRAINDAMAGE-07-01-03)

[Freshy]

dang, how do u edit. well

if ur only against smoking, if it were legal we would probably just dring bhang, or some other soft drink (like those in CA at the place that got raided by federal pigs) they also had cannabis pop tarts.

[tadaa]

i'm in high school, i have a 4.0 (unweighted) and as a freshman scored a 26 on the ACT (that means, all I have to do is learn something within my 4 years and I will get a scholarship). I'm going to test out of Spanish for college next month. (that sounds smug, but i'm giving you an example)

and i think it's illegal to drive 5mph on the shoulder (under low speed limit, and on the shoulder).

personally, i prefer to eat it.

PS. patients who were given a canabinoid pill after suffering brain trauma recovered better than those who hadn't been given the pill. this is from a 2003 study. they have since been working on C2 instead of dexanabinol.

the test results are here (http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=BRAINDAMAGE-07-01-03)

High School is easy.

[eddievanzant]

Although tadaa always comes off as a dickhole. He is sort of right. It would make people more ready to believe the pamphlet if you gave the negative aspects of smoking marijuana. Although they aren't very seroius acknowledging the governments studies to a certain extent would make people more ready to believe that stuff. Because there are some. If you smoke daily for a while your memory can get worse, alot of people get a cough, and there are some other side effects I can't think of right now.
I don't know if you just skimmed through it or not, but it does say those things. It says it can give you bronchitis, ruins your short term memory for about a month, is inherently dangerous when it is smoked, and discourages use by minors. I don't understand how you can say it lists no negative side effects if you read it through.

[eddievanzant]

Tadaa, you'll never prove your point without backing anything up. You say this list is biased. It isn't. Prove me wrong.
Beachguy, I didn't read every one of your posts, but if you said Cannabis has no side effects, you need to retract that statement.

[tadaa]

Tadaa, you'll never prove your point without backing anything up. You say this list is biased. It isn't. Prove me wrong.
Beachguy, I didn't read every one of your posts, but if you said Cannabis has no side effects, you need to retract that statement.

All Im saying is there are no neg sides listed on the 10 points, and there needs to be.

[beachguy in thongs]

A degree with a 1.75 gpa isn't worth much.
Well, one was working for the senate in Albany, NY, another in Philadelphia, one in D.C., owning businesses in the Hamptons, a law degree in Buffalo, one in Boston, whatever.

They're making a hell of a lot of money. Degrees from SUNY schools, Hobart, there is nothing to say to you because you've already decided who I am.

I said that no one has proven any "negative" side effects. Everyone gives out "heresy" examples.

[chisme]

eddie im actualy suprised good work man ill be giving some of these out

[eddievanzant]

Yes there is!
more so than anchovies
reveal that 75 people per year are high on marijuana when they die
Smoking anything is not healthy,
its use by children or adolescents is discouraged.
It also notes that it is not physically addictive, and anyone who can't get off something due to psychological addiction is part of that 10% mentioned.

[eddievanzant]

Well, one was working for the senate in Albany, NY, another in Philadelphia, one in D.C., owning businesses in the Hamptons, a law degree in Buffalo, one in Boston, whatever.

They're making a hell of a lot of money. Degrees from SUNY schools, Hobart, there is nothing to say to you because you've already decided who I am.

I said that no one has proven any "negative" side effects. Everyone gives out "heresy" examples.
Negative is an opinion, so even though you are right in saying no one has proven any negative side effects, no one has proven any positive side effects either.

[beachguy in thongs]

Seven Reasons To Change Your Mind
By Andrew Looney
http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/Politics/SevenReasons.html

Here's some positive reinforcement:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12850548&dopt=Citation
http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/115/11/3104?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabinoids%2Bpromote%2Bhippocamus%2Bneu rogenisis&searchid=1139855602212_4399&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=jci
http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/21/17/6475

And here's "Non-acute (residual) neurocognitive effects of cannabis
use: A meta-analytic study":

http://www.hnrc.ucsd.edu/publications_pdf/348art2003.pdf

And here's "Antitumor Effects of Cannabidiol, a Nonpsychoactive Cannabinoid, on Human Glioma Cell Lines":

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/308/3/838

Here's this, in case you missed it, "Cannabinoids selectively inhibit proliferation and induce death of cultured human glioblastoma multiforme cells."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16078104&dopt=Citation

Gotta go eat.

[Freshy]

dang dude, i didn't know it could help kill tumors (glioblastoma). I want some bhang... do indian people drink carbonated drinks?

tadaa is really doing a service to us, he's squeezing so much pro-cannabis info out. I almost wonder if that's what he's trying to do...

I agree that he said the side-effects should be in there, but i disagree when he said that they weren't in there.

[del...]

wow, 3 people out of almost 300 million in this country. The bottom line is that if you rounded up every person that smokes pot you would have more failures than great successes. Marijuana can lead to a decrease in motivation if it's abused. Smoking ANYTHING is bad for your body. Putting smoke in your lungs isn't going to make you live longer.


and just where did you find this? personal experience? if so, my personal experience says just the opposite. almost everyone i hang with are college grads, some with phd's and 2 have md behind their name. i'm the only non-worker of the bunch (but i have a dr's excuse...)

that statement is just WAY too general ("The bottom line is that if you rounded up every person that smokes pot you would have more failures than great successes") and sounds like something you pulled out of your butt.

[eddievanzant]

I agree that he said the side-effects should be in there, but i disagree when he said that they weren't in there.
Exactly.

[beachguy in thongs]

Beachguy you are going to be part of my book..
I missed this the first time around.

Which part? Is it a spiral notebook? Will I be an individual piece of paper or the cardboard-type back part?

[TheAlphaChode]

Honestly, that information is a bit mis-leading. Grass can be mentally addictive, and being mentally addictive to grass is far more dangerous than being addicted to chocolate or video games. Why not present a 100% un-bias read instead of making it sound like grass will make you live till your 150.

Anything can be addictive.

And compared to other substances such as tobbaco, caffeine and alcohol, the ability of marijuana to make its user dependant upon the drug is virtualy non-existant.

[TheAlphaChode]

The governments attempt to regulate morality has proven itself to be ineffective and having the tendency to cause more problems than being solved.

As a democracy, it is impossible to impose a law upon the American people that they do not wish follow.

[Reefer Rogue]

So what if the choice is there? The choice is also there to drive 5mph in your car on the shoulder to get to work, you'd be a lot safer, does that mean we should base driving statistics on people that drive 5mph on the shoulder?

Of course not. Why? Because nobody does it, or hardly anyone does it. Most pot is smoked, so we should base its health stats on smoking it, not eating it because not many people do that.

What do you mean so what? Then, you try and compare a completely unrelated example... If the choice is there it is up to the user whether or not they partake in eating or vapourizing. How do you know "hardly anyone does it" That's a pretty farfetched statement. I'll agree that most pot is smoked. However, everyone has free will, they're not forced to smoke it. There are very minor, if any negative side effects when you don't smoke it. All the health stats I've heard about weed all say this. Cannabis: (solely) has never killed anyone. Smoked or not!!!!! There is pretty much no ld-50 for cannabis. I love mary jane. :rasta:

Technically, I don't think you're allowed to drive 5mph, isn't there a rule against driving too slow? :)

[Theduderino]

Tadaa how old are you? 13? 14?

You have no bases for any of your arguments. Just so you know, I'm a college grad with 4.0 GPA, not that it matters in the real world - something I doubt you know. Does cannabis make you lazy? Well, so far the only lazy idiot I see here is you. You said you smoke, then mentioned everyone who smokes are idiots and lazy. Guess you base all your arguments on personal experience. Especially since you told us your GPA of 1.75 (Wow, you are truly a loser).

I doubt you even drive since if you did, you would know that it's illegal to drive 5mph on the shoulder - moron.

More people are unsuccessful than successful if they smoke cannabis? Prove it. So far the only unsuccessful moron here is you. Sure there are lazy idiots - such as yourself, but they are lazy idiots, cannabis smokers or not.

Now I must get going. I have responsibilities to fulfill - something you have no clue about since you are probably a baby.

Ja ne,

The Duderino

p.s. 3 out of 300 million? Don't make me laugh :D .

[tadaa]

Tadaa how old are you? 13? 14?

You have no bases for any of your arguments. Just so you know, I'm a college grad with 4.0 GPA, not that it matters in the real world - something I doubt you know. Does cannabis make you lazy? Well, so far the only lazy idiot I see here is you. You said you smoke, then mentioned everyone who smokes are idiots and lazy. Guess you base all your arguments on personal experience. Especially since you told us your GPA of 1.75 (Wow, you are truly a loser).

I doubt you even drive since if you did, you would know that it's illegal to drive 5mph on the shoulder - moron.

More people are unsuccessful than successful if they smoke cannabis? Prove it. So far the only unsuccessful moron here is you. Sure there are lazy idiots - such as yourself, but they are lazy idiots, cannabis smokers or not.

Now I must get going. I have responsibilities to fulfill - something you have no clue about since you are probably a baby.

Ja ne,

The Duderino

p.s. 3 out of 300 million? Don't make me laugh :D .

I don't even know what to say about this. My gpa wasn't 1.75, read the posts again you fucking idiot. If you would have read this thread you would know half the questions you asked in your post.

[Gumby]

I don't even know what to say about this. My gpa wasn't 1.75, read the posts again you fucking idiot. If you would have read this thread you would know half the questions you asked in your post.

I think you may be the one who needs to read something. Have you noticed you're the only one defending yourself? Have you noticed everyone who tried to tell you that you are wrong uses sources and gives links to back up their information?? Are you aware that you find a word or two from a response and make a retorical statment about it as a defense?? Are you aware you're an idiot?? Do you just do it to get a rise out of us, cause you only seem to dig deeper and deeper everytime you talk?? Or do you actually believe yourself?? Are you really that ignorant?? I'm done trying to debate with you because through this whole post, and others, you've never made a single point that has any backing whatsoever. Disagree with us all, that's fine... that's what makes debate great, but when you do please just use something educational.

[tadaa]

I think you may be the one who needs to read something. Have you noticed you're the only one defending yourself? Have you noticed everyone who tried to tell you that you are wrong uses sources and gives links to back up their information?? Are you aware that you find a word or two from a response and make a retorical statment about it as a defense?? Are you aware you're an idiot?? Do you just do it to get a rise out of us, cause you only seem to dig deeper and deeper everytime you talk?? Or do you actually believe yourself?? Are you really that ignorant?? I'm done trying to debate with you because through this whole post, and others, you've never made a single point that has any backing whatsoever. Disagree with us all, that's fine... that's what makes debate great, but when you do please just use something educational.

Everyone except me is saying that marijuana has no negative side effects, give me a fucking break.

[beachguy in thongs]

Well, that's the whole reason why I'm arguing. I'm looking for proof of "true" negativity. Come to find it, Cancer isn't one of them. Every negative aspect that you spoke of, tadaa, has been proven false, by people like Dr. Xiao Zhang.

[tadaa]

Well, that's the whole reason why I'm arguing. I'm looking for proof of "true" negativity. Come to find it, Cancer isn't one of them. Every negative aspect that you spoke of, tadaa, has been proven false, by people like Dr. Xiao Zhang.

A study isn't proof. These aren't scientific laws we're dealing with. There's just as many studies that show the opposite, you know that.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

We all know marijuana makes you stupid. :rolleyes:

Tadaa! He's a troll AND a drug czar!
:p

[Gumby]

tadaa... i agree there are some negative effects to smoking... smoking anything will have negative effets on you... everything has negative effects. But what you fail to do is show how anyone you argue with is wrong. Look through this post and see how many links people have provided for you... look how many you've provided.

Although a study isn't law and there is debate to be had, you have yet to even show a study. So your 'word' is for sure much less ceditable than a study. So please at least show us a study... so some sort of evidence that what you say has merit... that is all were are asking of you.

read any of the links in this post as well... i'd start with http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html and go from there. If you have anyi information contradicting this, please let us know.... I'd love to read it and talk about it... that's how people educate themselves, if you weren't aware. Listening to what someone says and believing it is ignorance and we all can see you are following that trend.

[Freshy]

Everyone except me is saying that marijuana has no negative side effects, give me a fucking break.

remember where i listed marijuana side-effects? remember the side-effects listed in the pamphlet? i think those are the side effects that you seem to believe we aren't saying.

[Freshy]

Everyone except me is saying that marijuana has no negative side effects, give me a fucking break.

remember where i listed marijuana side-effects? remember the side-effects listed in the pamphlet? i think those are the side effects that you seem to believe we aren't saying.

i think this debate is getting a little bit personal. i put my GPA out there as an example that i'm not lazy. now people are just fighting on a forum... debating on the internet almost always becomes immature (hey, that's a generalization. like everyone smokes and nobody eats or vaporizes)

[eddievanzant]

Hmm... I can't come up with a statement to resolve this. Okay I have one. The only reason this started is because someone didn't read posts carefully enough. This continued because people didn't read carefully enough. To be involved in a days long debate due to people being careless readers is pathetic, on both sides.

[del...]

tadaa, show us these negative side-effects you speak so much about...link us please.

[Kryzco]

I think its safe to say tadaa's names should be changed to
tadee dee dee!!!! (thanks carlos)

running your mouth proves nothing, have some physical evidence, some links, some proof!!

[Theduderino]

I think its safe to say tadaa's names should be changed to
tadee dee dee!!!! (thanks carlos)

running your mouth proves nothing, have some physical evidence, some links, some proof!!

Toucheé, where's your evidence? Personal experience? Well, remember one thing tadaa, we're all different. So if you are a lazy, drop-out, doesn't mean everyone else is. In fact, I have a lot of friends with Masters and PhDs - friends who toke with me all the time. They are successful, responsible, and punctual. There is nothing lazy about them. I myself have a Bachelor's degree and I am successful, responsible, and very punctual. Don't assume unless you have the proof to back you up. If you have no proof, then shut the hell up because, so far, none of us are listening to your bull.

The Duderino

[RIH]

I'm high as fuck right now and that was a tight read.

[Theduderino]

Btw, Kryzco wanna chat sometime?

[m4ster chef]

I think it has become apparent in recent threads about legalization that tadaa is totally against it and i seriously doubt if he even smokes weed.

If he does I'm sure he is one of the lazy bums we all hear about as being "hippies".

I, for one, go to college, work about 45 hours a week, umpire little leauge baseball for extra money and also am about to get a new car.

My girlfriend, goes to school, (only 12 hours though), and works 60-80 hours a week in a high stress environment. She works at one of the largest mental institutions in the US.

It has become obvious (through tadaa's lack of info provided and his unwillingness to listen to anyone) that he is anti legalization. I hope for all of our sakes that he finds something better to occupy his time with than coming on a marijuana forum and arguing against legalization, all while using ONLY what he can think of to back his arguments. I can personally think of about 79,450,891 things he could be doing that would be better use of his time. Many of which involve a gun, a blind fold, and some sort of high traffic interstate. Im really not even sure where i was going with that, but that combo sounded pretty deadly to me...lol

Anyway...im sure he'll come on here whenever he gets done jerkin it to gay porn with his "friend" (yeah right) and berate me by choosing a few words of this post, and saying some stupid shit he came up with off the top of his head.

We all post research that backs our statements, i have yet to be able to click a link of his. I dont think he even knows how to research anything.

And seriously dude, making fun of someone's gpa (A 4.0 AT THAT) is not cool, especially considering that YOU were the one talking about stoners being lazy and "burnouts". You should not be so 2 faced. Either support it or dont, but dont say dumb shit like "high school isnt even that hard", when it was YOU that brought it up.

[m4ster chef]

sorry...i double posted....

[Theduderino]

I think it has become apparent in recent threads about legalization that tadaa is totally against it and i seriously doubt if he even smokes weed.

If he does I'm sure he is one of the lazy bums we all hear about as being "hippies".

I, for one, go to college, work about 45 hours a week, umpire little leauge baseball for extra money and also am about to get a new car.

My girlfriend, goes to school, (only 12 hours though), and works 60-80 hours a week in a high stress environment. She works at one of the largest mental institutions in the US.

It has become obvious (through tadaa's lack of info provided and his unwillingness to listen to anyone) that he is anti legalization. I hope for all of our sakes that he finds something better to occupy his time with than coming on a marijuana forum and arguing against legalization, all while using ONLY what he can think of to back his arguments. I can personally think of about 79,450,891 things he could be doing that would be better use of his time. Many of which involve a gun, a blind fold, and some sort of high traffic interstate. Im really not even sure where i was going with that, but that combo sounded pretty deadly to me...lol

Anyway...im sure he'll come on here whenever he gets done jerkin it to gay porn with his "friend" (yeah right) and berate me by choosing a few words of this post, and saying some stupid shit he came up with off the top of his head.

We all post research that backs our statements, i have yet to be able to click a link of his. I dont think he even knows how to research anything.

And seriously dude, making fun of someone's gpa (A 4.0 AT THAT) is not cool, especially considering that YOU were the one talking about stoners being lazy and "burnouts". You should not be so 2 faced. Either support it or dont, but dont say dumb shit like "high school isnt even that hard", when it was YOU that brought it up.

Well, seems like we all agree to this so might as well just ignore that freak since all it'll do is fuel his pathetic fire. Btw, like your example of what he should do ;) .

Being stupid, lazy, or irresponsible has nothing to do with what you smoke. There are plenty of lazy bums out there who never smoked cannabis and couldn't even afford a joint if they wanted to try. Btw, keep in mind, cannabis is expensive, those who smoke it all the time, most likely, are making good money and are successful because they couldn't get the money out of their ass. They would have no choice but to be responsible.

But, as I mentioned before, you can't really debate against us if all your proof is from personal experience. Oh wait, you said your GPA wasn't 1.75... Must be lower :dance: . Anyway, I'm sure all we'll get from you is 'you fucking moron, blah blah blah' so you might as well not post here anymore, since no one will listen.

The Duderino

[eddievanzant]

While I agree that naturally lazy people are always going to acheive less, weed can still make people more lazy.

[Theduderino]

Only those who are lazy in the first place. I smoke on a regular basis and in no way am I lazy or have become lazier from smoking.

If someone is naturally a lazy person, then yes, cannabis will make them more lazy. Just remember, they were already lazy without it. That's the difference.

The Duderino

[eddievanzant]

I don't believe that. I believe people who are more active can become more lazy; not over the long term, though. You've never had couchlock? I'm sure there are a few people on this board who would say yes even though they are more active.

[mom2calebnjoshie]

Actually, I've quit...for more than 30 days now. Not by choice, trust me I'd rather have it....but it wasn't anything for me and my husband to stop doing it. After the first few days wishin you had it, you get over it and start hoping for it, LOL. But, i didn't take the time to read the pamplet . . . I only have a limited time online these days; so I can't give my opinion on that but I do know this:::: people hear the negative facts all the time from everyone, and from those people stating the negative don't always state the positive, so its ok every now and then to just give one side -- ecspecially common sense would inform a person of the effects, just like previously mentioned -- anything that brings pleasure can become addicting in one way or another. I think at this point the message of "green" does need to get out there, people always hear the negative..so why not shed some light on the possitive? Plus, I read someone mentioend something about footnotes...I dunno, just wanted to share my opinion; have a nice day all.

[Theduderino]

When it comes to real life, no one has time to be lazy, otherwise making a living is a bitch. No I never had couchlock because all my life it was hard work at school, then college, then work everyday.

I get up at 5am everyday, don't even remember the last time I slept in. Also don't use an alarmclock, my body's used to getting up early whether I like it or not. I run a few miles everyday, work out, stretch, run errands, and work.

The only time I can actually enjoy the couch is when I'm totally done with everything, usually around 10pm. Then I can sit, and enjoy a good J while watching a good movie before I rest, around midnight, only to get up and work again.

Trust me, if you're the sort who is active all the time, the only reason they could be couchlock would be if they didn't have a job and have nothing else to do. I even met people who are very calm and when they smoke up they suddenly get active, and cannot sit still - kinda annoying since when I smoke it's usually when I'm done with everything and the last thing I need is a friend jumping off the walls, but it happens.

Like I said before, except more elaborate, if an individual is lazy without cannabis, they are lazy with cannabis. If an individual is active without cannabis, and lazy with cannabis, then they're just irresponsible and chose to become lazy.

Cannabis is not the cause, it's all in your mind..

The Duderino

[eddievanzant]

Whatever dude.....erino...

[Gumby]

When it comes to real life, no one has time to be lazy, otherwise making a living is a bitch. No I never had couchlock because all my life it was hard work at school, then college, then work everyday.

I get up at 5am everyday, don't even remember the last time I slept in. Also don't use an alarmclock, my body's used to getting up early whether I like it or not. I run a few miles everyday, work out, stretch, run errands, and work.

The only time I can actually enjoy the couch is when I'm totally done with everything, usually around 10pm. Then I can sit, and enjoy a good J while watching a good movie before I rest, around midnight, only to get up and work again.

Trust me, if you're the sort who is active all the time, the only reason they could be couchlock would be if they didn't have a job and have nothing else to do. I even met people who are very calm and when they smoke up they suddenly get active, and cannot sit still - kinda annoying since when I smoke it's usually when I'm done with everything and the last thing I need is a friend jumping off the walls, but it happens.

Like I said before, except more elaborate, if an individual is lazy without cannabis, they are lazy with cannabis. If an individual is active without cannabis, and lazy with cannabis, then they're just irresponsible and chose to become lazy.

Cannabis is not the cause, it's all in your mind..

The Duderino


i'm pretty sure he meant couchlock the pot, not the person... and there is pot out there that you can smoke and it will make you stick to your couch. But there is also pot out there that will give you energy. People should understand it acts differently from person to person and strand to strand...

http://www.smokersguide.com/sg/SmokersGuide/Marijuana_Cafe_home_bushdoc.php

http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/045.html

those are just a few i found... i know overgrow had a huge list but it's gone now, thanks BUSH!!!

anyways, marijuana can be used for many different things and there and many different types, you have to remember that when you talk about the effect of marijuana.

[tadaa]

I think it has become apparent in recent threads about legalization that tadaa is totally against it and i seriously doubt if he even smokes weed.

If he does I'm sure he is one of the lazy bums we all hear about as being "hippies".

I, for one, go to college, work about 45 hours a week, umpire little leauge baseball for extra money and also am about to get a new car.

My girlfriend, goes to school, (only 12 hours though), and works 60-80 hours a week in a high stress environment. She works at one of the largest mental institutions in the US.

It has become obvious (through tadaa's lack of info provided and his unwillingness to listen to anyone) that he is anti legalization. I hope for all of our sakes that he finds something better to occupy his time with than coming on a marijuana forum and arguing against legalization, all while using ONLY what he can think of to back his arguments. I can personally think of about 79,450,891 things he could be doing that would be better use of his time. Many of which involve a gun, a blind fold, and some sort of high traffic interstate. Im really not even sure where i was going with that, but that combo sounded pretty deadly to me...lol

Anyway...im sure he'll come on here whenever he gets done jerkin it to gay porn with his "friend" (yeah right) and berate me by choosing a few words of this post, and saying some stupid shit he came up with off the top of his head.

We all post research that backs our statements, i have yet to be able to click a link of his. I dont think he even knows how to research anything.

And seriously dude, making fun of someone's gpa (A 4.0 AT THAT) is not cool, especially considering that YOU were the one talking about stoners being lazy and "burnouts". You should not be so 2 faced. Either support it or dont, but dont say dumb shit like "high school isnt even that hard", when it was YOU that brought it up.

Congratulations, and I'm far from a hippie. The fact is you refuse to except the facts because you're a habitual user of the substance in question, which is a TEXTBOOK addiction symptom.

[tadaa]

tadaa, show us these negative side-effects you speak so much about...link us please.

If you smoke pot and can't name one negative side effect I don't see how you're smart enough to tie your own shoes.

[Theduderino]

If you smoke pot and can't name one negative side effect I don't see how you're smart enough to tie your own shoes.


Blah blah blah - The last words of a defeated moron.

LOL!!!!!!!! :dance:

[del...]

yeah, just what i figured. it's all crap straight out of your butt. iow, all you have done is litter up eddie's thread with bogus info.

[Gumby]

what no one has seen Reefer Madness?? Weed makes you go crazy and kill people... everyone knows that...

[Theduderino]

Congratulations, and I'm far from a hippie. The fact is you refuse to except the facts because you're a habitual user of the substance in question, which is a TEXTBOOK addiction symptom.

Proof? Links? Anything not coming out of your ass? LOL!!!! :dance:

[tadaa]

what no one has seen Reefer Madness?? Weed makes you go crazy and kill people... everyone knows that...

Take an iq test or a SAT/ACT type test sober, the next day take an iq test after smoking 3 blunts in a row. Not a fucking internet iq test, a real certified one. Then tell me there's no negative side effects when you see the difference in the scores.

[tadaa]

Proof? Links? Anything not coming out of your ass? LOL!!!! :dance:

Ok you little fucking baby, go to google and type in substance addiction symptoms, are you really that fucking helpless?

[del...]

hey, but you're the one with all the answers so save us some time and show us where you got all this material you're trying to force us to believe...

or let it drop and quit spewing such crap...which is all i'm after anyway. i'm just tired of seeing all these so-called facts being so carelessly tossed about as hard and proven facts when all they are are myth, conjecture and outright bullshit.

[tadaa]

People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.


Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.


According to one study, marijuana use by teenagers who have prior antisocial problems can quickly lead to addiction (3). In addition, some frequent, heavy marijuana users develop â??toleranceâ?� to its effects. This means they need larger and larger amounts of marijuana to get the same desired effects as they used to get from smaller amounts.











# Brookoff, D.; Cook, C. S.; Williams, C.; and Mann, C. S. Testing reckless drivers for cocaine and marijuana. New England Journal of Medicine, 331:518-522, 1994.


# Cornelius, M. D.; Taylor, P. M.; Geva, D.; and Day, N. L. Prenatal tobacco and marijuana use among adolescents: effects on offspring gestational age, growth, and morphology. Pediatrics, 95: 738-743. 1995.


# Crowley, T. J.; Macdonald, M. J.; Whitmore. E. A.; and Mikulich, S. K. Cannabis Dependence, Withdrawal, and Reinforcing Effects Among Adolescents With Conduct Symptoms and Substance Use Disorders. Drug and Alcohol Dependence, 1998.


# Fletcher, J. M.; Page, J. B.; Francis, D. I.; Copeland, K.; Naus, M. J.; Davis. C. M.; Morris, R.; Krauskopf, D.; and Satz, P. Cognitive correlates of long-term cannabis use in Costa Rican men. Arch. of General Psychiatry, 53: 1051-1057, 1996.


# Harder. S. and Reitbrock, S. Concentration-effect relationship of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol and prediction of psychotropic effects after smoking marijuana. International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics, 35(4): 155-159, 1997.


# Jones, R.T. et al. Clinical relevance of cannabis tolerance and dependence. Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, 21 (Suppl 1): 143-152,1981.


# Kandel, D.B. Stages in adolescent involvement with drugs. Science, 190:912-914, 1975.


# Liguori, A.; Gatto, C. P.; and Robinson, J. H. Effects of marijuana on equilibrium. psychomotor performance, and simulated driving. Behavioral Pharmacology, 9:599-609, 1998.


# National Association of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Directors, Inc.. State Resources and Services Related to Alcohol and Other Drug Problems for Fiscal Year 1995: An Analysis of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Profile Data, July 1997.


# National Institute on Drug Abuse. National Survey Results on Drug Use from The Monitoring The Future Study, 1975-1997, Volume I/Secondary School Students. NIH Publication No. 98-4345. Printed 1998.


# Pope, H. G. and Yurgelun-Todd, D. The Residual Cognitive Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use in College Students. Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol 275, No. 7, February 21, 1996.


# Rodriguez de Fonseca, F.; Carrera, M. R. A.; Navarro, M.; Koob, G. F.; and Weiss, F. Activation of Corticotropin-Releasing Factor in the Limbic System During Cannabinoid Withdrawal. Science, Vol. 276, June 27, 1997.


# Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Office of Applied Sciences. Preliminary Results From the 1996 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse. DHHS No. (SMA) 97-3149. Rockville, MD: SAMHSA, July 1997.


# University of Michigan. News and Information Services. Drug use among American teens shows signs of leveling after a long rise. December 18, 1997.





Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. The cognitive process most clearly affected by marijuana is short-term memory. In laboratory studies, subjects under the influence of marijuana have no trouble remembering things they learned previously. However, they display diminished capacity to learn and recall new information

Lynn Zimmer and John Morgan. Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence, (New York: The Lindesmith Center, 1997).

That took me about 30 seconds.

[del...]

man, you have much to learn. when you post your LINK, it must be tied to what you're referencing or else it means nothing. i realize you probably haven't had that class yet but please put it together so it means something to anyone trying to read it and make sense of it. i can post pages and pages of authors and reports but what to they pertain to???

[tadaa]

man, you have much to learn. when you post your LINK, it must be tied to what you're referencing or else it means nothing. i realize you probably haven't had that class yet but please put it together so it means something to anyone trying to read it and make sense of it. i can post pages and pages of authors and reports but what to they pertain to???

Actually, I have a masters degree, which you would already know if you've read some older threads I've posted in. I know your job of moderating a website is so important you probably didn't have time to look through them. I'm not suprised, though. It was obvious you were going to dis-credit anything I posted. If you have trouble finding studies on marijuana in the internet maybe you should think about getting a different job.

[Shelbay]

Masters Degree in what? And don't google!

[del...]

if so, why is so damn hard to post the LINKS that we have been asking for all along>>>instead of an index to books that you know damn well we have no access

[intheclouds]

..... addicted to gambling, video games, chocolate........

I can gurantee that everyone in this thread couldn't quit smoking pot right now, even if they wanted to, including myself.

OK now here is my 2 cents worth.....
I am totally sick and disgusted at people saying that you can get addicted to gambling, video games, chocolate etc., That is just a fucking excuse for someone to get by with it, and to keep doing it.
You can get addicted to coke, heroin and others, I know because my son was addicted to coke, He was shooting it 8-10 times a day, So I understand addiction.

If someone wants to do something they can do it, to hell with the so called addiction. I quit drinking, on my own after 20 yrs. Quit because I wanted to.

Then a year ago I quit smoking cigs. after smoking for 30 yrs. on my own just laid them down, because I wanted to.

IMO there is chemical addiction and then you got Excuses..

[del...]

oh? just graduate, didja...?

Feb-21-2006, 18:31
Replies: 91 what do you guys wear?
Views: 810 Posted By tadaa
The cheerleaders at my university are ugly.

The cheerleaders at my university are ugly.

or are you continuing your education for a phd?

[tadaa]

Masters Degree in what? And don't google!

Do a search for my posts, there's nothing more annoying than having to repeat yourself to a bunch of idiots.

[intheclouds]

Actually, I have a masters degree, which you would already know if you've read some older threads I've posted in. I know your job of moderating a website is so important you probably didn't have time to look through them. I'm not suprised, though. It was obvious you were going to dis-credit anything I posted. If you have trouble finding studies on marijuana in the internet maybe you should think about getting a different job.

A masters degree is just a piece of paper, That does not give you common sense, which you evidently dont possess.

[tadaa]

oh? just graduate, didja...?

Feb-21-2006, 18:31
Replies: 91 what do you guys wear?
Views: 810 Posted By tadaa
The cheerleaders at my university are ugly.

The cheerleaders at my university are ugly.

or are you continuing your education for a phd?

I still go to the games, I know what the cheerleaders look like.

[Shelbay]

Do a search for my posts, there's nothing more annoying than having to repeat yourself to a bunch of idiots.
uh-huh...thought so.:rolleyes: Your repetition of phrases only reminds me of someones sig on here that says tell a lie long enough and loud enough and people will start believing..so why not just be quiet and stop misleading?

[del...]

yes, that is EXACTLY what i am doing and i'm finding it very disturbing and beginning to understand all the recent complaints about you...

[tadaa]

yes, that is EXACTLY what i am doing and i'm finding it very disturbing and beginning to understand all the recent complaints about you...

So then do something about it, ban me. I only came here for grow info and it's sub par at best.

[del...]

lol...yes, i can say, "duh" to that too. but we are working at weeding out the bullshit and concentrating on credibilty...which is what this is all about.

[Subnormal]

...your bodies bmr, not that you have any clue what that is.

oh look, here come the naysayers with their "veiled" insults!

very, very childish. of you. please try to discuss things in a well-thought out manner.

[poorman3]

lol...yes, i can say, "duh" to that too. I`m working at weeding out the sinners and concentrating on our only credibilty to fuckem up! How about that?
Sorry Del... I had to do it! :smokin:

[Theduderino]

People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.


Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.


According to one study, marijuana use by teenagers who have prior antisocial problems can quickly lead to addiction (3). In addition, some frequent, heavy marijuana users develop â??toleranceâ?� to its effects. This means they need larger and larger amounts of marijuana to get the same desired effects as they used to get from smaller amounts.











# Brookoff, D.; Cook, C. S.; Williams, C.; and Mann, C. S. Testing reckless drivers for cocaine and marijuana. New England Journal of Medicine, 331:518-522, 1994.


# Cornelius, M. D.; Taylor, P. M.; Geva, D.; and Day, N. L. Prenatal tobacco and marijuana use among adolescents: effects on offspring gestational age, growth, and morphology. Pediatrics, 95: 738-743. 1995.


# Crowley, T. J.; Macdonald, M. J.; Whitmore. E. A.; and Mikulich, S. K. Cannabis Dependence, Withdrawal, and Reinforcing Effects Among Adolescents With Conduct Symptoms and Substance Use Disorders. Drug and Alcohol Dependence, 1998.


# Fletcher, J. M.; Page, J. B.; Francis, D. I.; Copeland, K.; Naus, M. J.; Davis. C. M.; Morris, R.; Krauskopf, D.; and Satz, P. Cognitive correlates of long-term cannabis use in Costa Rican men. Arch. of General Psychiatry, 53: 1051-1057, 1996.


# Harder. S. and Reitbrock, S. Concentration-effect relationship of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol and prediction of psychotropic effects after smoking marijuana. International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics, 35(4): 155-159, 1997.


# Jones, R.T. et al. Clinical relevance of cannabis tolerance and dependence. Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, 21 (Suppl 1): 143-152,1981.


# Kandel, D.B. Stages in adolescent involvement with drugs. Science, 190:912-914, 1975.


# Liguori, A.; Gatto, C. P.; and Robinson, J. H. Effects of marijuana on equilibrium. psychomotor performance, and simulated driving. Behavioral Pharmacology, 9:599-609, 1998.


# National Association of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Directors, Inc.. State Resources and Services Related to Alcohol and Other Drug Problems for Fiscal Year 1995: An Analysis of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Profile Data, July 1997.


# National Institute on Drug Abuse. National Survey Results on Drug Use from The Monitoring The Future Study, 1975-1997, Volume I/Secondary School Students. NIH Publication No. 98-4345. Printed 1998.


# Pope, H. G. and Yurgelun-Todd, D. The Residual Cognitive Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use in College Students. Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol 275, No. 7, February 21, 1996.


# Rodriguez de Fonseca, F.; Carrera, M. R. A.; Navarro, M.; Koob, G. F.; and Weiss, F. Activation of Corticotropin-Releasing Factor in the Limbic System During Cannabinoid Withdrawal. Science, Vol. 276, June 27, 1997.


# Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Office of Applied Sciences. Preliminary Results From the 1996 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse. DHHS No. (SMA) 97-3149. Rockville, MD: SAMHSA, July 1997.


# University of Michigan. News and Information Services. Drug use among American teens shows signs of leveling after a long rise. December 18, 1997.





Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. The cognitive process most clearly affected by marijuana is short-term memory. In laboratory studies, subjects under the influence of marijuana have no trouble remembering things they learned previously. However, they display diminished capacity to learn and recall new information

Lynn Zimmer and John Morgan. Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence, (New York: The Lindesmith Center, 1997).

That took me about 30 seconds.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D . So this took you 30 seconds? Therefore you haven't read a single book then didja? That means you went on google, of course it's what you majored in :D. Btw, does that mean you minored in looking at ugly cheerlearders :p ? So which online library did you go to copy some book information that 'sounded' legit? Man, I knew you were full of shit, but damn, the shit is flowing out of you like a waterfall! LOL!!!!! :dance: .

Oh, forgot! Where are the links?!! LOL!!!

You're digging yourself a hole. We don't even have to help bury you, you're doing a great job :cool: . Well, guess there's always that one, out of thousands, who's born with less than one brain cell. Hmm, think the only other person, that I know of, is Bush! LOL!

Ah, it felt good to laugh ;) .

The Duderino

p.s. Intheclouds - Words of wisdom man :thumbsup: .

[soxsuk6432]

Of course there are lazy stoners of course there aren't. It's about personality not there drug of choice. I bet you'd find just as many lazy smokers as you would non-smokers. The smokers might be a bit higher though because to some people it does make you really lazy. It sure does to me.

[Gumby]

Do a search for my posts, there's nothing more annoying than having to repeat yourself to a bunch of idiots.


I can think of one thing more annoying... when a bunch of people have to repaet themselves to one person...

something any educated person would understand around the 4th or 5th grade is providing your sources. I'm sure I was taught that years ago when I had to write a paper or anything for school... you present your facts and them you defend them by providing independent sources. Then if someone disagrees - they do the same and you debate over which make more sense.

[m4ster chef]

Hey....and tadumbasss....it's spelled ACCEPT, not EXCEPT. Two TOTALLY different words mr masters.

I have a little more than a year under my belt, but i learned how to spell a long time ago. You probably also say your for every form of the word and or contraction. Go "google" it as you like to say. EXCEPT means to EXCLUDE, TO LEAVE OUT. ACCEPT means to receive. But you know this already because you have your masters.....RIGHT! LOL...you dont grow, and you really sound like you dont even smoke.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

oh? just graduate, didja...?

Feb-21-2006, 18:31
Replies: 91 what do you guys wear?
Views: 810 Posted By tadaa
The cheerleaders at my university are ugly.

The cheerleaders at my university are ugly.

or are you continuing your education for a phd?

I still go to the games, I know what the cheerleaders look like. :rolleyes:

Wonder how he'll explain this one, del?


If I smoke before going to class which is rare I will smoke before I put my clothes on. http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=611257#post611257

:p

[yoda]

yo im about to pass some of these shits out then with my friends, they said they were interested

[beachguy in thongs]

# Brookoff, D.; Cook, C. S.; Williams, C.; and Mann, C. S. Testing reckless drivers for cocaine and marijuana. New England Journal of Medicine, 331:518-522, 1994.


# Cornelius, M. D.; Taylor, P. M.; Geva, D.; and Day, N. L. Prenatal tobacco and marijuana use among adolescents: effects on offspring gestational age, growth, and morphology. Pediatrics, 95: 738-743. 1995.


# Crowley, T. J.; Macdonald, M. J.; Whitmore. E. A.; and Mikulich, S. K. Cannabis Dependence, Withdrawal, and Reinforcing Effects Among Adolescents With Conduct Symptoms and Substance Use Disorders. Drug and Alcohol Dependence, 1998.


# Fletcher, J. M.; Page, J. B.; Francis, D. I.; Copeland, K.; Naus, M. J.; Davis. C. M.; Morris, R.; Krauskopf, D.; and Satz, P. Cognitive correlates of long-term cannabis use in Costa Rican men. Arch. of General Psychiatry, 53: 1051-1057, 1996.


# Harder. S. and Reitbrock, S. Concentration-effect relationship of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol and prediction of psychotropic effects after smoking marijuana. International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics, 35(4): 155-159, 1997.


# Jones, R.T. et al. Clinical relevance of cannabis tolerance and dependence. Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, 21 (Suppl 1): 143-152,1981.


# Kandel, D.B. Stages in adolescent involvement with drugs. Science, 190:912-914, 1975.


# Liguori, A.; Gatto, C. P.; and Robinson, J. H. Effects of marijuana on equilibrium. psychomotor performance, and simulated driving. Behavioral Pharmacology, 9:599-609, 1998.


# National Association of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Directors, Inc.. State Resources and Services Related to Alcohol and Other Drug Problems for Fiscal Year 1995: An Analysis of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Profile Data, July 1997.


# National Institute on Drug Abuse. National Survey Results on Drug Use from The Monitoring The Future Study, 1975-1997, Volume I/Secondary School Students. NIH Publication No. 98-4345. Printed 1998.


# Pope, H. G. and Yurgelun-Todd, D. The Residual Cognitive Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use in College Students. Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol 275, No. 7, February 21, 1996.


# Rodriguez de Fonseca, F.; Carrera, M. R. A.; Navarro, M.; Koob, G. F.; and Weiss, F. Activation of Corticotropin-Releasing Factor in the Limbic System During Cannabinoid Withdrawal. Science, Vol. 276, June 27, 1997.


# Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Office of Applied Sciences. Preliminary Results From the 1996 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse. DHHS No. (SMA) 97-3149. Rockville, MD: SAMHSA, July 1997.


# University of Michigan. News and Information Services. Drug use among American teens shows signs of leveling after a long rise. December 18, 1997.





Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. The cognitive process most clearly affected by marijuana is short-term memory. In laboratory studies, subjects under the influence of marijuana have no trouble remembering things they learned previously. However, they display diminished capacity to learn and recall new information

Lynn Zimmer and John Morgan. Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence, (New York: The Lindesmith Center, 1997).

That took me about 30 seconds.

First of all, you copied and pasted off a site without giving reference, as evidenced by the numbers being represented by "#"s.

Look at the dates on those, the last reference is from 1998, the studies they referenced were from before that.

You can look up the people who've done MY studies in Wikipedia.

Who is Brookoff, D.; Cook, C. S.; Williams, C.; and Mann, C. S.? In 1994? Twelve years ago?

# Cornelius, M. D.; Taylor, P. M.; Geva, D.; and Day, N. L. Prenatal tobacco and marijuana use among adolescents: effects on offspring gestational age, growth, and morphology. Pediatrics, 95: 738-743. 1995.
It has been shown, in this millenium, that tobacco smoke and marijuana smoke affect the lungs differently.

Can you please reference some current material?

Show some studies (the key word "studies") that weren't before we knew that the Government payed to find a negative aspect (of Herb), couldn't, but found that it cured Cancer, instead, so they shut down the studies.

[beachguy in thongs]

"Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. " - an unknown source of tadaa's

More pieces of information can enter your head at once. That has been proven, also. But, fuck my "links".

[beachguy in thongs]

Andy Looney is an award-winning game designer, writer, cartoonist, photographer, computer programmer, Eagle Scout, activist, and self-declared "Emperor of the Universe."


Seven Reasons To Change Your Mind
By Andrew Looney
http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/P...enReasons.html

It seems like this pot-smoker amounted to something.

[tadaa]

Hey....and tadumbasss....it's spelled ACCEPT, not EXCEPT. Two TOTALLY different words mr masters.

I have a little more than a year under my belt, but i learned how to spell a long time ago. You probably also say your for every form of the word and or contraction. Go "google" it as you like to say. EXCEPT means to EXCLUDE, TO LEAVE OUT. ACCEPT means to receive. But you know this already because you have your masters.....RIGHT! LOL...you dont grow, and you really sound like you dont even smoke.

I don't grow? Ok then I'll post some pics with my plants that are about to be harvested in 7 days with a sign that says tadaa so you can see how fucking stpuid you are. BTW, my degree is in accounting, not english.

DID ANY OF YOU FUCKING IDIOTS HAPPEN TO NOTICE THE ORIGINAL POSTER POSTED HIS "sources" IN THE SAME MANNER AS ME. Here's the link http://www.truthtree.com/marijuana_myths.shtml

Now look how fucking dumb you look. I'd like to shoot each one of you in the face. His sources are no more credible than mine.

[beachguy in thongs]

Have you noticed that I haven't commented on the link that the original poster provided?

[Shelbay]

I don't grow? Ok then I'll post some pics with my plants that are about to be harvested in 7 days with a sign that says tadaa so you can see how fucking stpuid you are. BTW, my degree is in accounting, not english.

DID ANY OF YOU FUCKING IDIOTS HAPPEN TO NOTICE THE ORIGINAL POSTER POSTED HIS "sources" IN THE SAME MANNER AS ME. Here's the link http://www.truthtree.com/marijuana_myths.shtml

Now look how fucking dumb you look. I'd like to shoot each one of you in the face. His sources are no more credible than mine.
Shoot each of us in the face?..thats an extreme post to make about people you don't even know..you are a violent accountant huh?

[Captin]

I'm with tadaa on this one, all of you people who are saying there's nothing negative about weed love weed too much and are in denial

[tadaa]

I'm with tadaa on this one, all of you people who are saying there's nothing negative about weed love weed too much and are in denial

Thank you. That's all I've been saying and I was attacked. There are obvious sides and if you smoke pot you know what they are, give me a break.

[Shelbay]

I'm with tadaa on this one, all of you people who are saying there's nothing negative about weed love weed too much and are in denial
Denial of what?..and I really don't care if you are with tadaa on this one..doesn't say much really. Are you also with him wanting to shoot each of us in the face?

[Reefer Rogue]

I think i'm gonna quit cannabis because of all the bad side effects :/

[Gumby]

tadaa... have you been on www.abovetheinfluence.com and told them to list the positve effects of marijuana, or the DEA, or anyone else for that matter? Or do you just like to go around and point out the negative parts?

[tadaa]

tadaa... have you been on www.abovetheinfluence.com and told them to list the positve effects of marijuana, or the DEA, or anyone else for that matter? Or do you just like to go around and point out the negative parts?

I preach the truth, I don't hide anything. I want people to know the benefits and drawbacks.

[mike jones]

back to the original topic of the thread, very good info and kudos for encouraging people to distrubte it.

[beachguy in thongs]

For your information, weed was not my drug of choice.

[Captin]

any arguement i try and make about this would just be repeating what tadaa has said, if you guys don't want to admit that weed has negative side effects then alright. it's clear you guys just don't want to hear it
i guess a cannabis.com fourm isn't the best place discuss the side effects of weed

EDIT: oh and about the original topic, great idea, but as someone already said, it would be alot more believable if it was more unbiased

[del...]

but all the side effects listed here so far are temporary...as in there is no long-term harm beyond whatever the tars may affect the lungs (and even that is suspect). and then post something like this...something we all can read on our own time.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=long+term+effects+of+cannabis+smoking&spell=1

[Gumby]

We want educated debate... Tadaa has yet to provide anything to back up what he says... Is some of it true, of corse... we know smoking anything can be bad for you. What we are mostly saying is the negative things Tadaa is saying are either common sense things that would waste space trying to tell people and claims of greater harm from marijuana that he has yet to shown proof.

Tadaa - when you list sources they are things you used to gain that information... you may be a Doctor or what the fuck, but you cannot read and use information from that many books in 30 minutes. We're not retarded... we link to sites where people do months of research and list sources like yours.

[m4ster chef]

Tadaa is just a butt munching moron....lol...im gonna try to be done with arguing with him. He doesnt make sense and when he does come up with a "thought" he feels the overwhelming urge to share it with everyone.

THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING!!!

Like Ron White said, "The next time you have a thought, let it go."

[oph616e]

Tadaa is 100% right, your all in denial. I smoke weed everyday, my name is ........ I am an addict. Addicted and not afraid to admit it! If you smoke everyday your an addict. End of story!

[Theduderino]

I don't grow? Ok then I'll post some pics with my plants that are about to be harvested in 7 days with a sign that says tadaa so you can see how fucking stpuid you are. BTW, my degree is in accounting, not english.

DID ANY OF YOU FUCKING IDIOTS HAPPEN TO NOTICE THE ORIGINAL POSTER POSTED HIS "sources" IN THE SAME MANNER AS ME. Here's the link http://www.truthtree.com/marijuana_myths.shtml

Now look how fucking dumb you look. I'd like to shoot each one of you in the face. His sources are no more credible than mine.

Wow, how violent you have become! Starting to sound like Bush eh? I'm sure your harvest is a bunch of fake pictures you got from other sites. As for your degree, as we all college folk know, you have to take English in order to pass. Looks like you're the failure around here since your English sucks :dance: .

Btw, have you made up Captin? Hmm, actually I doubt it, you're not smart enough for that. But it's interesting that the only person agreeing with you is someone who looks like a corrupt government asshole. Well, as most others, I'm getting bored with you since you are nothing but a total BS artist. Of course, if you like to prove me wrong, then simply show us links ;) . But, of course, you cannot since you have no argument.

I never thought someone could be worse than Bush. Guess I was wrong after meeting you :dance: . Especially that violent behavior, are you related to Bush? Just wondering because every friend I've met who smoked cannabis was far from violent. Oh wait, if you're related to Bush then you didn't inhale right? HAHAHAHA!

Oh what a fool you are. Even more of a fool is you reply ;) .

The Duderino

p.s. Tadaa, you have truly FAILED :dance: !!

[Theduderino]

Tadaa is 100% right, your all in denial. I smoke weed everyday, my name is ........ I am an addict. Addicted and not afraid to admit it! If you smoke everyday your an addict. End of story!

Sad how weak minded you are...

[tadaa]

Wow, how violent you have become! Starting to sound like Bush eh? I'm sure your harvest is a bunch of fake pictures you got from other sites. As for your degree, as we all college folk know, you have to take English in order to pass. Looks like you're the failure around here since your English sucks :dance: .

Btw, have you made up Captin? Hmm, actually I doubt it, you're not smart enough for that. But it's interesting that the only person agreeing with you is someone who looks like a corrupt government asshole. Well, as most others, I'm getting bored with you since you are nothing but a total BS artist. Of course, if you like to prove me wrong, then simply show us links ;) . But, of course, you cannot since you have no argument.

I never thought someone could be worse than Bush. Guess I was wrong after meeting you :dance: . Especially that violent behavior, are you related to Bush? Just wondering because every friend I've met who smoked cannabis was far from violent. Oh wait, if you're related to Bush then you didn't inhale right? HAHAHAHA!

Oh what a fool you are. Even more of a fool is you reply ;) .

The Duderino

p.s. Tadaa, you have truly FAILED :dance: !!

I said I would post pics of my grow with a fucking sign that says whatever you want it to say. Learn to read, and I aced my english classes. I consider myself a pretty good writer, as did my profs.

[Theduderino]

I said I would post pics of my grow with a fucking sign that says whatever you want it to say. Learn to read, and I aced my english classes. I consider myself a pretty good writer, as did my profs.

Funny, haven't noticed with all your spelling errors :dance: . Well, I'm done with you. You're already buried in cement..

The Duderino

p.s. Well, at least I got a good laugh. Been a while since I've met someone as stupid as you. Wait, my bad, you're even dumber, HAHAHAHA :dance: !

[eddievanzant]

Do you guys just all have PMS or something?
Tadaa didn't read the footnotes to begin with; therefore he made a few dumb posts. Eventually he provided what looked to be a few study results, so shut up about it. I've said this before but I guess it wasn't read: negative is an opinion; therefore it can't be proven that there are negative side effects of smoking; but obviously there are some effects that people would rather not get, like bronchitis.
Anyone who says there are no negative side effects either loves bronchitis or is a dumbass. Anyone who refuses to read footnotes then refuses to read posts saying to read footnotes is a dumbass. Anyone who demands links incessantly is a dumbass. Anyone who refuses to give any links is a dumbass. Anyone who thinks marijuana is physically addictive (litterally addictive) or thinks marijuana is any more psychologically addictive (the bs addiction) than chocolate is either misinformed or a dumbass, respectively.
Finally, anyone who says the pamphlet would be better if it were less biased... shut the hell up already! I admit it is to an extent biased, but it is no less biased than presenting any random list of facts. Just because it shows both sides of marijuana doesn't make it more biased, even though it looks more pro-legalization, because it is closer to being unbiased. I can understand how simple-minded fools would immediately call it biased because it is much more balanced than what is put out by the Gov't, but I can't understand how an intelligent person could call it more biased just because it also lists the positive things of marijuana.

[Captin]

yes sir, mr eddie sir

[beachguy in thongs]

Well, I'm gonna play for the other team, for a second, eddie, and say that because our natural melatonin levels are our "rhythm of life", I'd like to hear some input about raising your melatonin levels above your natural peak level, before you reach it at puberty.

That could be the reason why pot is different to different people.

[tadaa]

Funny, haven't noticed with all your spelling errors !

If my posts were going to be graded then maybe I would put more time into making sure everything is spelled correctly:rolleyes:

[m4ster chef]

Dude...you flat out used the WRONG word. End of story. Don't make fun or bitch at or belittle someone who claims to have a 4.0 if you don't know the difference between accept and except. That's all I'm saying. So go smoke a bowl or something and take the corncob out.

[eddievanzant]

I agree. Using except instead of accept or the opposite proves you have no understanding of the English language. It's quite sad.

[tadaa]

I agree. Using except instead of accept or the opposite proves you have no understanding of the English language. It's quite sad.

Our president was a C student at Harvard, what's your point? I'm sure mis-using the word except is really going to hurt me financially in the future :rolleyes:

[Gumby]

the point is shut up unless you can take it...

you made fun of people for getting a 4.0 and now are saying it doesn't matter?? you're ignorant!!! We're not trying to attack you, you just keep asking for it...

[tadaa]

the point is shut up unless you can take it...

you made fun of people for getting a 4.0 and now are saying it doesn't matter?? you're ignorant!!! We're not trying to attack you, you just keep asking for it...

He said he got a 4.0 in High School, which isn't much to brag about. I never made fun of it-apparently you can't read.

[tadaa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

There's some good info with a ton of references, seems to me there's plenty of side effects.

[eddievanzant]

Of course there are side-effects. I don't understand where the debate has gone. If you're going to argue about whether or not weed has bad side-effects, you must go to the core of the issue: someone who enjoys bronchitis wouldn't consider it a negative side effect.

[beachguy in thongs]

Someone who has bronchitis, didn't get it from marijuana.

And the debate has been the "negative" side effects. There are none.

I mean, euphoria is a side-effect. Are you guys that stupid to think that we say there are none?

[eddievanzant]

The pamphlet I'm encouraging people to spread says that marijuana can give people bronchitis, which makes sense immediately. You should provide a link to a study that proves marijuana smoking can't give people bronchitis. Obviously people can bake with it, but not everyone does, so the effects of smoking should be taken into account.

[TheAlphaChode]

I think that Tadaa would make a very good soccer mom.

[beachguy in thongs]

The pamphlet I'm encouraging people to spread says that marijuana can give people bronchitis, which makes sense immediately. You should provide a link to a study that proves marijuana smoking can't give people bronchitis. Obviously people can bake with it, but not everyone does, so the effects of smoking should be taken into account.
Here's Erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth4.shtml

It says, "the only prospective clinical study shows no increased risk of crippling pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema)."

Marijuana contains THC. THC is a bronchial dilator, which means it works like a cough drop and opens up your lungs, which aids clearance of smoke and dirt. Nicotine does just the opposite; it makes your lungs bunch up and makes it harder to cough anything up.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml

[eddievanzant]

Good. You proved marijuana can't give you bronchitis because it affects the large airways and not the small ones; however, right above that, it says this:
Frequent marijuana smokers experience adverse respiratory symptoms from smoking, including chronic cough, chronic phlegm, and wheezing.

[beachguy in thongs]

1. That's because many pot-smokers, frequent or not, also smoke cigarettes.

2. As it says, the ONLY prospective clinical study proves that false.

3. And that statement is correct, taken in the right context.
My neighbors would think that I have chronic cough. That's how I get the chronic phlegm, that causes wheezing, out.

(If you hear your neighbor cough, heavily, even a few times, every day, you'll think that his/her's cough is chronic.)

[eddievanzant]

Okay, what about marijuana users' risk of having a heart attack quadrupling in the first half-hour after use?

[del...]

what exactly is your motivation for doing this here? it sounds like freevibe.com would suit you better...

[zalami128]

1. That's because many pot-smokers, frequent or not, also smoke cigarettes.

Almost all of my friends smoke weed, and none of us smoke cigarettes. I actually do not know any stoners who do. All I am saying is, I think it is pretty obvious that you often pull stuff out of your ass to back your shit up.

[eddievanzant]

what exactly is your motivation for doing this here? it sounds like freevibe.com would suit you better...
If someone says there is no negative side-effects to marijuana smoking, that person will not be taken seriously in any debate having to do with the legality of marijuana and isn't helping legalize it.

[beachguy in thongs]

What are the negative side effects? You can't say that it makes you lazy. And you can't say that smoking anything is bad for you because smoking marijuana has not been proven to do any harm in the proper clinical studies.

Someone who says the there are negative side-effects to Herb, and can't prove them, has no place trying to get it legalized.

You want a negative aspect of herb?

It's biologically wrong for adolescents to smoke weed. It messes with a lot of natural cycles.

And let's see a study on that quadrupling heart thing.

Of course, but it will also give you a quadrupling dull heart rate, also.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

If i handed one of them to my teachers i'd proberly either get kicked out the school or get drug tested.

[tadaa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

PLENTY of sources there for you to see.

[beachguy in thongs]

Will you quit it with that brilliant find of yours, tadaa!!!

We're well aware of Wikipedia. The references are interesting. They don't say anything about negative side-effects, except all the ones which I have proven wrong through threads like this one, you stupid moron.

You have to use studies that haven't been proven wrong, or references that haven't.


The fact is YOU don't show these studies.



They don't make sense, because doctors have proved them false.

You're so great, here's the references.

1. ↑ Hemp Species. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
2. ↑ "Cannabis compound benefits blood vessels", Nature (magazine), 2005-04-04.
3. ↑ "Spray alternative to pot on the market in Canada", 2005-06-23.
4. ↑ Europe: Sativex Coming to England, Spain. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
5. ↑ State Medical Marijuana Laws. URL accessed on 2006-4-12.
6. ↑ FindLaw U.S. v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
7. ↑ Controlled Substances Act. 21 USCS § 801. United States Drug Enforcement Agency. URL accessed on November 4, 2005.
8. ↑ Block RI, Farinpour R & Braverman K. (1992). "Acute effects of marijuana on cognition: relationships to chronic effects and smoking techniques". Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behaviour 43(3): 907 â?? 917.
9. ↑
10. ↑ Fred Gardner, "Marijuana Smoking Does Not Cause Lung Cancer", 2006-07-06. UNIQ261f5e937ee6df3b-HTMLCommentStrip8dbaf6061ea4ed000000004
11. ↑ Louise Arseneault, Mary Cannon, Richie Poulton, Robin Murray, Avshalom Caspi, Terrie E Moffitt (2002). "Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study". British Medical Journal.
12. ↑ Avshalom Caspi, Terrie E. Moffitt, Mary Cannon, Joseph McClay, Robin Murray, HonaLee Harrington, Alan Taylor, Louise Arseneault, Ben Williams, Antony Braithwaite, Richie Poulton, and Ian W. Craig (January 2005). "Moderation of the Effect of Adolescent-Onset Cannabis Use on Adult Psychosis by a Functional Polymorphism in the catechol-O-Methyltransferase Gene:Longitudinal Evidence of a Gene X Environment Interaction". Society of Biological Psychiatry.
13. ↑ Cécile Henquet, Lydia Krabbendam, Janneke Spauwen, Charles Kaplan, Roselind Lieb, Hans-Ulrich Wittchen and Jim van Os (2004). "Prospective cohort study of cannabis use, predisposition for psychosis, and psychotic symptoms in young people". British Medical Journal 330 (11).
14. ↑ G C Patton, Carolyn Coffey, J B Carlin, Louisa Degenhardt, Micheal Lynskey and Wayne Hall (2005). "Cannabis use and mental health in young people: cohort study". British Medical Journal 325 (1195).
15. ↑ J.S. Hayes, R. Lampart, M.C. Dreher, L. Morgan (1991). "Five-year follow-up of rural Jamaican children whose mothers used marijuana during pregnancy". West Indian Medical Journal 40 (3): 120-3.
16. ↑ M.C. Dreher, K. Nugent, R. Hudgins (1994). "Prenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica: An Ethnographic Study". Pediatrics 93 (3): 254-260.
17. ↑ Positive and negative cerebral symptoms: the roles of Russell Reynolds and Hughlings Jackson. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
18. ↑ Patrick O'Driscoll. Denver votes to legalize marijuana possession. URL accessed on 2005-03-11.
19. ↑ Dutch Politicians Seek Marijuana Rules. URL accessed on 2006-02-25.
20. ↑ Marijuana fight nears. URL accessed on 2006-02-17.
21. ↑ Home Office- Class B to Class C. URL accessed on 2006-03-27.

Try to make a relevant point, you lazy old lady.

[beachguy in thongs]

Tadaa, do you know how to get to wikipedia, and read, and comprehend it?

You're not even making it interesting, anymore. Go to bed.

[tadaa]

Will you quit it with that brilliant find of yours, tadaa!!!

We're well aware of Wikipedia. The references are interesting. They don't say anything about negative side-effects, except all the ones which I have proven wrong through threads like this one, you stupid moron.

You have to use studies that haven't been proven wrong, or references that haven't.


The fact is YOU don't show these studies.



They don't make sense, because doctors have proved them false.

You're so great, here's the references.

1. ↑ Hemp Species. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
2. ↑ "Cannabis compound benefits blood vessels", Nature (magazine), 2005-04-04.
3. ↑ "Spray alternative to pot on the market in Canada", 2005-06-23.
4. ↑ Europe: Sativex Coming to England, Spain. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
5. ↑ State Medical Marijuana Laws. URL accessed on 2006-4-12.
6. ↑ FindLaw U.S. v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
7. ↑ Controlled Substances Act. 21 USCS § 801. United States Drug Enforcement Agency. URL accessed on November 4, 2005.
8. ↑ Block RI, Farinpour R & Braverman K. (1992). "Acute effects of marijuana on cognition: relationships to chronic effects and smoking techniques". Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behaviour 43(3): 907 â?? 917.
9. ↑
10. ↑ Fred Gardner, "Marijuana Smoking Does Not Cause Lung Cancer", 2006-07-06. UNIQ261f5e937ee6df3b-HTMLCommentStrip8dbaf6061ea4ed000000004
11. ↑ Louise Arseneault, Mary Cannon, Richie Poulton, Robin Murray, Avshalom Caspi, Terrie E Moffitt (2002). "Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study". British Medical Journal.
12. ↑ Avshalom Caspi, Terrie E. Moffitt, Mary Cannon, Joseph McClay, Robin Murray, HonaLee Harrington, Alan Taylor, Louise Arseneault, Ben Williams, Antony Braithwaite, Richie Poulton, and Ian W. Craig (January 2005). "Moderation of the Effect of Adolescent-Onset Cannabis Use on Adult Psychosis by a Functional Polymorphism in the catechol-O-Methyltransferase Gene:Longitudinal Evidence of a Gene X Environment Interaction". Society of Biological Psychiatry.
13. ↑ Cécile Henquet, Lydia Krabbendam, Janneke Spauwen, Charles Kaplan, Roselind Lieb, Hans-Ulrich Wittchen and Jim van Os (2004). "Prospective cohort study of cannabis use, predisposition for psychosis, and psychotic symptoms in young people". British Medical Journal 330 (11).
14. ↑ G C Patton, Carolyn Coffey, J B Carlin, Louisa Degenhardt, Micheal Lynskey and Wayne Hall (2005). "Cannabis use and mental health in young people: cohort study". British Medical Journal 325 (1195).
15. ↑ J.S. Hayes, R. Lampart, M.C. Dreher, L. Morgan (1991). "Five-year follow-up of rural Jamaican children whose mothers used marijuana during pregnancy". West Indian Medical Journal 40 (3): 120-3.
16. ↑ M.C. Dreher, K. Nugent, R. Hudgins (1994). "Prenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica: An Ethnographic Study". Pediatrics 93 (3): 254-260.
17. ↑ Positive and negative cerebral symptoms: the roles of Russell Reynolds and Hughlings Jackson. URL accessed on 2006-03-25.
18. ↑ Patrick O'Driscoll. Denver votes to legalize marijuana possession. URL accessed on 2005-03-11.
19. ↑ Dutch Politicians Seek Marijuana Rules. URL accessed on 2006-02-25.
20. ↑ Marijuana fight nears. URL accessed on 2006-02-17.
21. ↑ Home Office- Class B to Class C. URL accessed on 2006-03-27.

Try to make a relevant point, you lazy old lady.

Do I look like a old lady you fucking deuche bag?

[beachguy in thongs]

Can't see the pic. Sorry.

[tadaa]

Can't see the pic. Sorry.

lol, riiight.

Well try this then
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/lheaxhuns/Picture014.jpg

[beachguy in thongs]

Why can't you point out these facts, then?

[beachguy in thongs]

Almost all of my friends smoke weed, and none of us smoke cigarettes. I actually do not know any stoners who do. All I am saying is, I think it is pretty obvious that you often pull stuff out of your ass to back your shit up.
I am not pulling anything out of my ass. I can get that off sites. But, anything else, I prove with links. If you think I'm pulling it out of my ass, then show me what you think I pulled out of my ass.

Now, if I have to find a link just to show percentages of cannabis smokers who smoke cigarettes, even one, then I'll waste a shitload of time proving something that doesn't even need to be proved because I've explained that it could be other ways.

I don't know why you enter in and say that I "often" pull stuff out of my ass, because if you knew that was true then you could prove it.

You pulled that out of your ass.

[tadaa]

What do you mean? Point out what facts?

Side effects should have ZERO impact on legalization. It doesn't matter how good or bad it is, it's about freedom of choice. ALL drugs should be legal, no matter how good or bad. The fact that you're arguing that pot isn't very bad at all has NOTHING to do with this subject and is the WRONG way to go about legalization.

It's my body, I should be able to shoot heroin, smoke crack or anything else as long as it's in the privacy of my own home. You need to concentrate on freedom of choice, rights, not the drug itself.

I did a debate back in highschool on this and my only point to the class was that every single thing the other side is going to tell you is 100% irrelevant because it doesn't matter what the side effects are, it's wrong to make any drug illegal.

[beachguy in thongs]

Now, you're going in a whole new direction.

[Its a Plant]

tadaa, is it so hard to admit defeat or that you're totally wrong?

Serious, maybe someone needs to hit you with that large twig you are holding in your picture, you sickly piece of shit.

[tadaa]

tadaa, is it so hard to admit defeat or that you're totally wrong?

Serious, maybe someone needs to hit you with that large twig you are holding in your picture, you sickly piece of shit.

Um sickly?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/lheaxhuns/Picture009.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/lheaxhuns/5.jpg

If I'm sickly I'd sure like to see your pics. I didn't know 190lbs at 11% bodyfat was sickly.

And I'm sure you can deadlift a lot more than 405lbs too, right?

[Its a Plant]

WoW, 190 lbs! I didn't know they piled shit that high.

haha, did you take those just now to try and prove me wrong?

Don't be so offended if someone calls you a name. Quit trying to stray away from the debate, seeing as your backed into a corner. And if I wasn't so convinced you were gay, I'd think you were hitting on me. ;)

[Its a Plant]

And I bet I could deadlift more than 405. Who couldn't with this hot 191 lb. bod and 10% body fat? I lift for more than staring at myself in the mirror, however.

[Shelbay]

Tadaa you look like Timothy Mcveigh in a way..what is the work ..skinhead?:confused:

[tadaa]

And I bet I could deadlift more than 405. Who couldn't with this hot 191 lb. bod and 10% body fat? I lift for more than staring at myself in the mirror, however.

You're a moron who's weak mentally and physically. 190lbs isn't bad when I started lifting at 125lbs. It's ok though, by the end of the winter I should be 215 plus because I just finished a cut, hence why I'm only 190lbs. You have no idea what it takes to transform your body, you're wrong-I'm right. The sooner you except your pathetic truth the easier it will be.

[tadaa]

Tadaa you look like Timothy Mcveigh in a way..what is the work ..skinhead?:confused:

I just shaved my head last night, actually.

[Its a Plant]

Whew, feeling a little overwhelmed with all those petty insults. Hiding behind your insults, hmm. Feeling a little insecure, are we?

I actually weigh less than 190, something like 175-180 my boy. I'm a soccer player that's more fit than you wish you will ever be, believe that you pompous skinhead. See, insults are fun. You have not experienced pain like I have, nor you never will. Good luck cutting your body, and as far as transforming your body, please. My body is a work-in-progress for the perfect physique and fitness for my sport, not just to give myself something to stare at, which is all I see you lifting more. You're an emotionally shallow person, tadaa, that much is true. I'm not going into this further because clearly I'm wasting my time.

[tadaa]

Whew, feeling a little overwhelmed with all those petty insults. Hiding behind your insults, hmm. Feeling a little insecure, are we?

I actually weigh less than 190, something like 175-180 my boy. I'm a soccer player that's more fit than you wish you will ever be, believe that you pompous skinhead. See, insults are fun. You have not experienced pain like I have, nor you never will. Good luck cutting your body, and as far as transforming your body, please. My body is a work-in-progress for the perfect physique and fitness for my sport, not just to give myself something to stare at, which is all I see you lifting more. You're an emotionally shallow person, tadaa, that much is true. I'm not going into this further because clearly I'm wasting my time.

That would depend on how you define the word fit. If by fit you mean a better soccer player then you're correct. You may be in vetter cardio vascular shape than me, which is debatable, but that's about it. Anyways, this is fucking stupid. The only reason I posted the pics is because I was called out saying I don't smoke or grow. Leave it at that.

[Its a Plant]

Haha, good, agree to disagree I suppose. Now the actual reason you smoke might be a little hazy....

[beachguy in thongs]

Via a Serotonergic 5-Hydroxytryptamine1A Receptorâ??Dependent Mechanism

If you don't believe me, check it out.
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/5/1071

[eddievanzant]

The most recent posts filled with insults are completely irrellevent. Here's the study showing that marijuana can quadruple heart attack risk: http://www.hms.harvard.edu/news/pressreleases/bid/0300marijuanaheartattack.html

[beachguy in thongs]

Look at this study group. It's not of healthy people.


The findings are the latest to emerge from a multicenter study of 3,882 patients who survived heart attacks. In this report, 124 people reported using marijuana regularly. Of these, 37 people reported using marijuana within 24 hours of their heart attacks, and nine smoked marijuana within an hour of their heart attacks. After smoking marijuana, the researchers found that the relative risk of a heart attack increased by 4.8 times within the first hour but dropped to 1.7 times in the second hour, suggesting a rapid decline in the acute cardiac effects.

I'm telling ya', if you have a chance of having a heart attack while going for a jog, then maybe pot's not for you.

I found this:

* Newsgroups: sci.med.cannabis
* From: Michael Acord <[email protected]>
* Subject: Re: Cannabis & heart attack - Medical advices, please
* Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:39:50 GMT
* Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net

While there are no guarantees in medicine, and myocardial infarction is
VERY multifactorial, it seems unlikely that the occasional use of
Cannabis would sustantially alter your cardiovasclar status. Cannabis
has been known to have a small effect on blood pressure, but the earlier
reports of heart attack being directly related to prior use of Cannabis,
the reports were, for the most part, bullshit.
A Sympathetic MD ;-}>

Here's the question that was asked:

Hi,
>
> thanks to take some of your precious time to read this.
>
> I've had a myocardial infarction due to a 100% blockage in the right
> coronary artery just two weeks ago.
>
> The problem has been solved using a stent wich keeps this artery open;
> Of course, I must take - forever if i've well understood what the
> cardiologists said to me - an anti blood platelets agregate drug, also
> a blood thinner drug (family of aspirin), a beta blocker...
>
> It remains a 50% blockage in another artery that can't be reached to
> put a stent in it (frontmost inter ventricular artery). It must be
> bypassed if the blockage increase.
>
> At last, as the blood blockage lasted more than three hours, the right
> ventricle has been damaged by necrosis.
>
> I've immediately stopped to smoke any tobacco - seems to be the major
> cause of the problem in my case according to what the doctor says.
> Hard for someone who smoked during 35+ years, but I hold it;
>
> I add that I've never drunk a drop of alchool, in any form, beacuse
> even a beer or a glass of wine makes me sick (apparently hepatic or
> stomach disorder).
>
> I must also say that the use of anti blood platelets agregate forces
> me to modify completely my everyday life: I must stop to practice the
> sport that I made almost everyday these last 30 years (motorcycling).
> Also, no more mechanic related hobby (even a shock with a hammer on a
> finger can be extremely dangerous).
>
> Due to the damages to my heart, I'm told that I'll never be able to
> work again (I'm 47).
>
> All this is quite hard. It really S****!
>
> So, here comes the BIG question for me:
>
> Can I continue to use some pot - of course in a way absolutely
> dissociated from tobacco, pure sticks, vaporizer, eaten,.. - to light
> my life a little? Or have I to stop it completely also??
>
> I'm the father of three, and I want to live as long as possible...
>
> Thanks by advance for your answers or comments.
>
> Apologies for my somewhat imprecise english.
>
> I look forward to reading you!
>
> Bye.

[beachguy in thongs]

Cannabidiol has been reported to be a neuroprotectant, but the neuroprotective mechanism of cannabidiol remains unclear.

[beachguy in thongs]

The same GOD DAMN studies!


Of the 3,882 interviewees, only 3% admitted to having used cannabis in the year before their heart attack, and only 0.2% - nine people - smoked it in the hour before.

On the basis of this small sample, the Boston scientists concluded that in the hour after smoking a joint the relative risk of a heart attack increased by 4.8 times.

Studies have shown that cannabis use increases heart rate, but it is not clear how it may trigger a heart attack.

To muddy the picture still further, cannabis smokers were found to be more likely than non-users to be overweight and to smoke tobacco, additional risk factors for heart disease.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,505403,00.html

I guess, they pulled that out of their ass.

[beachguy in thongs]

Cannabidiol has been reported to be a neuroprotectant, but the neuroprotective mechanism of cannabidiol remains unclear.
Cannabidiol and abnormal cannabidiol reduced the infarct volume. Furthermore, the neuroprotective effect of cannabidiol was inhibited by WAY100135 but not capsazepine, and the CBF increased by cannabidiol was partially reversed by WAY100135. These results suggested that the neuroprotective effect of cannabidiol may be related to the increase in CBF through the serotonergic 5-HT1A receptor.

[beachguy in thongs]

Heart-Attack report:



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[eddievanzant]

Your posts are very confusing, but because I'm going to bed and not going to argue that there are negtive side-effects to smoking marijuana, I'll just side with you and say that marijuana has no negatove sode-effects.

[beachguy in thongs]

There ya' go. :smokin:

edit: but I've said that it does.

[beachguy in thongs]

Your posts are very confusing.

Up above, it says that it reduced the infarct volume, meaning that it lessens the tissue that you're losing because of the lack of blood-supply.