Bin Laden denies involvement with 9/11

[Great Spirit]

How do we explain this? Someone is lying...either the US is...or bin Laden is. Since the growing evidence of US involvement on 9/11, I believe bin Laden and that he had nothing to do with 9/11. He is just a little pion to Amerika.

You've been had by George W. Bush! :(
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http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_ummat.htm

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims."

[LIP]

I thought bin laden is the one who supposidly made a vid saying it was him and thts how we knew it was a "Terroist" attack

[Psycho4Bud]

Al Qeuda finally takes responsibility for 9/11
Arabic network claims taped 9/11 confessions



DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (CNN) -- The Arabic television news network Al-Jazeera said Thursday it has taped confessions of two al Qaeda members claiming responsibility for the September 11 attacks on behalf of Osama bin Laden's terror group.

Al-Jazeera said the men, both of whom are wanted by the U.S. government, spell out how they planned and executed the attacks. It said it would play their statements next week as part of a documentary it is airing.

One of the al Qaeda members on the tape was said to be Ramzi Binalshibh, a Yemeni national who belonged to the al Qaeda cell in Hamburg, Germany, that played a major role in planning the attacks. Lead hijacker Mohamed Atta was a member of that same cell.
U.S. authorities have said they believe Binalshibh was to be on one of the hijacked planes but could not obtain a U.S. visa to enter the country. Authorities say he eventually made his way to Pakistan and from there entered Afghanistan.

The other terrorist on the Al-Jazeera tape was identified as Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, a Kuwaiti who is on the United States "most wanted" terrorist list. Mohammad is believed to have been one of the primary planners behind the September 11 attacks, authorities have said.

Mohammad is the uncle of Ramzi Yousef, the convicted mastermind behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing who is now serving time in a U.S. prison.
Mohammad was indicted in 1996 for plotting to bomb U.S. airliners flying from southeast Asia to the United States.

Well, now the IslamoFacists can't make that crazy double claim of theirs that OBL and Al Queda didn't do it and that they're proud of them for pulling it off. Sheesh.
Of course, we knew the Truth all along.
http://www.greatestjeneration.com/archives/000339.php

Mr. bin Laden also said the Bush administration resembled "corrupt" Arab governments.

"I never thought that the supreme leader would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face the terrifying events alone at the time they were in need for him," he said, apparently referring to Mr. Bush and the attack on the World Trade Center towers.

He accused Mr. Bush of "misleading" the American people three years after the Sept. 11 attacks, the Al Jazeera Web site said, and added that "we decided to destroy towers in America" because "we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

The Associated Press said Mr. bin Laden also went on to say in the videotape: "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."

"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," The A.P. reported him as saying. "I tell you, security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

He went on to say: "If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

"We fought you because we are free," he said, "and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security, we undermine yours."

In December 2001, the Pentagon made public a videotape in which Mr. bin Laden was shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, hailing the outcome of the Sept. 11 attacks as exceeding even his "optimistic" calculations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/30osamaCND.html?ex=1256788800&en=5ff84d6f759ad30b&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

Very nice of ya to try to clear Osama's good name though!:rolleyes:

[Great Spirit]

Lol you're copying my style, but not my wisdom.

One of them is lying...the US or bin Laden. I believe the US is lying as there is too much evidence now supporting that fact that 9/11 was done by the US govt and elite to bring about a fascist dictatorship in Amerika. Why do you think they just recently released those alleged 9/11 recordings? To give credibility to Bush? Bush trying to permantely ban homosexual marriage is a very fascist act, yet no one really paid attention to it!

Lol ironic too that I am watching a TV program involving Hitler. Also psycho, check out the 2 great seals of the US and Nazi germany...see any similarities? I sure do! Using eagles and religious symbols....plus they are encircled. Coincidence?

You have been warned!!

[Psycho4Bud]

Lol you're copying my style, but not my wisdom.


I copy nothing from you and if I were to have your Great Wisdom I would definately consider a lobotomy!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

I copy nothing from you and if I were to have your Great Wisdom I would definately consider a lobotomy!:thumbsup:Why do you so vehemently defend the official 9/11 story? I have showed you the evidence and told you what I know. The evidence speaks for itself.

You have been warned.

[DaBudhaStank]

cant you actually bring up a valid arguement GS? where is your evidence? you say you've shown it by i dont see it ANYWHERE. you dont have any PROOF that we were involved in 9/11. how did you pass english class in highschool? didnt they ask you to support your claims in your papers? why cant you do it here? and whats with all the Nazi-esque propaganda posters? i still dont see how the eagle thing is a facsist symbol because it was used by one once, even tho its been revered for ages. why cant you see the vagrance in your lies?

[Great Spirit]

cant you actually bring up a valid arguement GS? where is your evidence? why cant you see the vagrance in your lies?Again using the reverse psychology cops use to interrogate.

Here ya go friend! You want to tell me where the plane wreckage is at the Pentagon and why it left a hole just 16ft wide?

I hope you realize that it is impossible for a supposed "dropout hijacker" or any pilot to have hit the Pentagon at that speed at that low of an altitude. And it just caused a hole 16ft wide!!! Lol explain that one!

Wow son Bush has you by the balls!!! Ignorance is strength he says!!

"I'm a war President" - George W. Bush

[DaBudhaStank]

'yawn'.....still waitin on that evidence man....but i'll wait till the down syndrome takes a break so you can get on it....

[Smoking Ganja]

what about the people on the planes who died? were they just made up?

im getting a little tired of your stupid conspiracy theories Great Spirit, i mean i hate Bush too but just stop bitching about him and how crappy America is.

[Great Spirit]

'yawn'.....still waitin on that evidence man....but i'll wait till the down syndrome takes a break so you can get on it.... Either you are just stupid or playing the dumb and ignorant game. Lol I'm sure you know the answer to that one! I already showed you the evidence man! You never answered my question yet on where the "plane" that allegedly hit the Pentagon was at. Are you avoiding it like Psycho4Bud does??

The choice is yours to accept it. Wasn't it ironic that Amerika became the same evil it was sworn to protect us from? I take it you are on the list of people who believe terrorists hijacked those planes with boxcutters.

Reichstag Fire = 9/11
Enabling Act = Patriot Act
Gestappo = NSA
Hitler = Bush

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[DaBudhaStank]

perhaps i will submit and agree to the what seems to be common idea that the pentagon was hit by a missle, and perhaps 9/11 WAS done on purpose, i'm just waiting for hard evidence. in spite of this however, these actions were carried out only by the Bush administration, and not the american government i do not believe we're heading for dictatorship, Bush is too stupid to control everything, and so is cabinet. they have two years left, and after countless scandles and debacles, i doubt they have the balls to try anything now.

[xblackdogx]

perhaps i will submit and agree to the what seems to be common idea that the pentagon was hit by a missle, and perhaps 9/11 WAS done on purpose, i'm just waiting for hard evidence. in spite of this however, these actions were carried out only by the Bush administration, and not the american government i do not believe we're heading for dictatorship, Bush is too stupid to control everything, and so is cabinet. they have two years left, and after countless scandles and debacles, i doubt they have the balls to try anything now.
there will be no hard evidence [especially for the towers]. most of it was shipped out within weeks. No independent investigation was allowed so you won't even find reports contradicting the gov't's statements.
if you believe that the pentagon was hit by a missile, then obviously the towers were an inside job, they go hand in hand.

anybody down for a massive protest?

[Psycho4Bud]

there will be no hard evidence [especially for the towers]. most of it was shipped out within weeks. No independent investigation was allowed so you won't even find reports contradicting the gov't's statements.
if you believe that the pentagon was hit by a missile, then obviously the towers were an inside job, they go hand in hand.

anybody down for a massive protest?

You tell me what type of missile does that kind of damage and I'll carry a sign with ya! Goooood luck on that one!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

You tell me what type of missile does that kind of damage and I'll carry a sign with ya! Goooood luck on that one!:thumbsup:
first, i simply said "if HE believes it was a missile" but anyway

here: a picture of the damage shortly after the Pentagon attack

you tell me what type of PLANE would cause that type of damage... :thumbsup:

the after picture, that you can find, would support evidence of tampering w/ the infrastructure after the initial contact of whatever hit it

[Great Spirit]

How come you won't reply Psycho? You'll reply when I post stuff like this. The truth is a bitch aint it buddy!!

hardy har har! :dance:

[xblackdogx]

i also would have liked to see what he said, but oh well... at least he's not trying to argue w/ it :)

[Psycho4Bud]

i also would have liked to see what he said, but oh well... at least he's not trying to argue w/ it :)

If you want to discuss politics I'll be glad to do it in the Politic room....I'm not going to encourage some dumb son of a bitch to destroy the activism room in here anymore!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

NOW THAT IS SAD!
to ask me a specific question in this thread and not respond to the answer, but would "outside" the thread is just laughable

[Great Spirit]

I think Psycho4Bud is seriously NSA. I already have confirmation that LEO are active and present on these boards. since we already defeated him intellectually and by evidence, all he does is say "these boards are for drug reform" and whenever I post Bush stuff, he says "put it in the politics section!". Motherfucker tried to have my posts taken down...not moved!! I also had a unique encounter on AIM too with a certain handle!

Ask yourself...if the Nazis were in power in 2006, you think they wouldn't try to spy on message boards...especially ones about cannabis? use your head people! obviously 911 was used to bring about the fascist dictatorship they wanted.

[Great Spirit]

there will be no hard evidence [especially for the towers]. most of it was shipped out within weeks. No independent investigation was allowed so you won't even find reports contradicting the gov't's statements.
if you believe that the pentagon was hit by a missile, then obviously the towers were an inside job, they go hand in hand.

anybody down for a massive protest?Shit I'm down with a protest. Bitch ass motherfucken Nazis.

[Great Spirit]

'yawn'.....still waitin on that evidence man....but i'll wait till the down syndrome takes a break so you can get on it....I don't know how fucken stupid you really are...but this is just plain ridiculous if you are saying a 757 plane hit the pentagon...when the wall collapses minutes later, and only leaves a hole 16 feet wide and there is no video of a 757 hitting it, and NO FUCKING WRECKAGE OF A 757!

NSA PIECE OF SHIT!!

[daima]

I don't know how fucken stupid you really are...but this is just plain ridiculous if you are saying a 757 plane hit the pentagon...when the wall collapses minutes later, and only leaves a hole 16 feet wide and there is no video of a 757 hitting it, and NO FUCKING WRECKAGE OF A 757!

NSA PIECE OF SHIT!!
Greetings friend,
American tv show us Bin Laden confessing to 9-11, in Arabic. I agree with you. Who translated what he said. He was probably asking for lunch. We know that the pentagon was using remote control planes that morning. We know security was changed months before 9-11 at the WTC. People ask, "where are the people on the planes" ? good question. Ask the CIA. We now know bush wanted to have planes painted to look like U.N. planes and allow Saddam to shoot them down so we could use that as an excuse to invade Iraq. You are also right about the pentagon. No plane wreckage at all. NONE. no pictures in an area that has cameras on every fucking corner, on top of buildings, and all around the pentagon itself. DC has more cameras than playboy or hustler or penthouse , combined.

dai*ma

[daima]

what about the people on the planes who died? were they just made up?

im getting a little tired of your stupid conspiracy theories Great Spirit, i mean i hate Bush too but just stop bitching about him and how crappy America is.
The CIA has been kidnapping and killing innocent people, including americans for decades. thats what they do. They hide, kill , destroy innocent life.

dai*ma

[Ap0c4lyPtIcF4t3]

Its all a big game of psy-op.....

Proof for that is this information bush declassified on purpose and had leaked, thats psy-ops staring you right in the face. Its disgusting!

As for this whole 9/11 garbage, I think it stinks. If something of this magnitude was done by terrorists you would be 100% sure it was terrorists and not your own government. The fact that they left clues and gaps in the stories shows that the government thinks the majority of Americans are mindless zombies. You should take offense to this but instead you deny the whole thing. I wont side for either theories but i do know that ALL of it is shady and you are a complete jackass to deny there is a high possibility that it was an inside job. If you still think it couldnt have been and inside job laugh in your face for believing your government actually puts you above the all mighty dollar :P

[ginoberde]

This is just my $0.02
I will leave this alone for a second, lets look at katrina.
Your own people got hit by a disaster YOU KNEW ABOUT IN ADVANCE
jet did nothing about it, and then act the fool (UUhhhm, we didn't know)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1722368,00.html

Oh and then there is the search for weapons of mass destruction....
I wonder how manny they found???
Sending away your people to die in a foreign country, that does not want to see them in there in the first place. But I guess oil is too precious.
Funny how some people only see what they are told they SHOULD see
I am not against the US, I am against Bush and the way he just brainwashes everybody.
Some people need to understand that they are not the world police.
And if there is such an attitude towards them, check how your foreign relations have been in the past.
You go around telling everyone what to do, but you haven't fixed your own problems at home.

[icebelowfreeze]

box cutters? come on now... if terrorists not only got on the plain with box cutters, but hi-jacked and took full control of the flight and the passengers were scared of box cutters? there was more then enough people on the plane that would have fought to the death... After 9-11 all air transportation was cancelled, except the flight to get osama's people back to Afgan, everyone knows something aint right wit this picture and for all the people i see talking bout they hate bush, how in the fu(k did he get re-elected? I Love America, But aint no Bush's where i come from....

[Breukelen advocaat]

box cutters? come on now... if terrorists not only got on the plain with box cutters, but hi-jacked and took full control of the flight and the passengers were scared of box cutters? there was more then enough people on the plane that would have fought to the death... After 9-11 all air transportation was cancelled, except the flight to get osama's people back to Afgan, everyone knows something aint right wit this picture and for all the people i see talking bout they hate bush, how in the fu(k did he get re-elected? I Love America, But aint no Bush's where i come from....

The passengers on the planes that crashed into the WTC towers in New York City probably thought that it was just a hijacking. To my knowledge, nobody ever crashed a plane in a jihad attack before.

The airlines should just issue all passengers boarding a baseball bat - as the guy below explains in his video "Bat Dayâ?� - on the â??videosâ?� page of his website.

http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/

[Psycho4Bud]

first, i simply said "if HE believes it was a missile" but anyway

here: a picture of the damage shortly after the Pentagon attack

you tell me what type of PLANE would cause that type of damage... :thumbsup:

the after picture, that you can find, would support evidence of tampering w/ the infrastructure after the initial contact of whatever hit it


I believe that was flight 77....heres the passanger list:

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.





PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html


And here are some eyewitnesses to what happened:
Some Eyewitness Accounts

Flight 77 Crash at the Pentagon, Sept. 11, 2001


"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001


"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001


"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001


"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002


"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angleâ??almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course.'"
- "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001


"'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,' eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said."
- "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001


"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001


"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001


"'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'"
- "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001


"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit."
- "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001


"Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I donâ??t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash."
- "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001


"Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. 'I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars.' McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. 'The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building,' he said. 'My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression,' he said. 'There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows.'"
- "Pentagon Crash Eyewitness Comforted Victims." MDW News Service, 28 Sep 2001


"'I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building,' said Carla Thompson, who works in an Arlington, Va., office building about 1,000 yards from the crash. 'I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up upâ??red, everything red,' she said. 'Everybody was just starting to go crazy. I was petrified.'"
- "Terrorists Attack New York, Pentagon." Los Angeles Times, 12 Sep 2001


"I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."
- Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA Today


"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 2002


"Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of the commuters who witnessed the attack on the Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd., listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. 'It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I'd just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, "That's not going to make it to National Airport." And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black, thick smoke.'"
- "Terrorist 'Situation'." American Lawyer Media, 11 Sep 2001

[xblackdogx]

1. by comprising a list of people on the plane it means nothing.
2. the picture that you attached is wonderful evidence for my case, which goes back to my ORIGINAL question in which you have not answered: What type of plane would cause the damage shown in this picture... a 757?

[eg420ne]

What? No arabs on the plane

this is a joke right
So because this dude is a pilot he can be trusted-"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'" Wheres the wings and engines
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

All these muthfukers said almost the same thing, even so far as to say what airline it was and what kind of plane, what a joke, anymore jokes

[Psycho4Bud]

1. by comprising a list of people on the plane it means nothing.
2. the picture that you attached is wonderful evidence for my case, which goes back to my ORIGINAL question in which you have not answered: What type of plane would cause the damage shown in this picture... a 757?

That's right...a 757!:thumbsup:
http://www.montalk.net/pentagon.html

Yes, unlike the WTC, the Pentagon is more a solid concrete structure. The plane ripped through the first ring which contained enough concrete to disintegrate the plane. A Boeing is made more of aircraft aluminum instead of armor piercing titanium, figuratively speaking. Think of the gedanken difference between 10 pounds of steel fired at a wall versus 10 pounds of water at the same speed.

"The two photographs in question 2 show the building just after the attack. We may observe that the aircraft only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed towards 10.10 am. The building is 26 yards high.

Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building?"

Accuracy of the impact aside, this is easily explainable. The tail height of a 757-200 is 45 feet, but the fuselage height is only 5.5 yards.

If one clips off the wings, tail fin, and wheels, all that is left is a fuselage only 5.5 yards in diameter. The fuselage is what did most of the damage, and thus the damage seen on the Pentagon is entirely consistent with that. Saying that a Boeing is 14.9 yards high is misleading since that is the tail height:

[Psycho4Bud]

What? No arabs on the plane

this is a joke right
So because this dude is a pilot he can be trusted-"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'" Wheres the wings and engines
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

All these muthfukers said almost the same thing, even so far as to say what airline it was and what kind of plane, what a joke, anymore jokes

I watched a show on this the other night. I guess there is markings on the underbellys of these planes that someone in the industry could easily pick out.

Oh ya, they may have taken the Arabs off the passenger for obvious reasons.:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

I watched a show on this the other night. I guess there is markings on the underbellys of these planes that someone in the industry could easily pick out.

Oh ya, they may have taken the Arabs off the passenger for obvious reasons.:thumbsup:
Sounds likes sumthing KKKarl Rove would say..J/K

[Great Spirit]

Psycho4Bud.....tell us why you don't believe 911 was caused by the government?????

[eg420ne]

I watched a show on this the other night. I guess there is markings on the underbellys of these planes that someone in the industry could easily pick out.

Oh ya, they may have taken the Arabs off the passenger for obvious reasons.:thumbsup:
Why would they take them off the list..I dont understand. What would be gained from this

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho4Bud.....tell us why you don't believe 911 was caused by the government?????

I'll run through it one more time....I should just start a thread with this so all I have to do is copy and paste...LOL

Osama Bin Laden:

Admitted to doing this...he felt this was a plus
Lost his country as a training camp...thats a negative
Assests seized....another negative
Friends getting killed off all around him....another negative
Living with a bounty on his head....huge negative

If he weren't responsible he would be giving video tapes to Al-Jazeera and every other western hating news organization to blow the lid off this...he hasn't!

The Muslim world:

They would be in complete outrage from Palistine to Iran over the injustice that the U.S. and the U.N. put upon Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden. Bin Laden as you know was highly regarded due to his humanitarian efforts not to mention his war efforts in Afghanistan.

Back to the States:

Passenger lists
Eye Witness lists
Lists of loved ones
Video showing commercial jets hitting these buildings
Cell phones


The biggest clincher though is Osama and the Muslim world....if he wasn't envolved, THEY WOULD BE PISSED!

[Psycho4Bud]

Why would they take them off the list..I dont understand. What would be gained from this

I think these sites don't want them assholes to be confused with actual victims. Just my own :twocents:

[xblackdogx]

I think these sites don't want them assholes to be confused with actual victims. Just my own :twocents:
1. could you find any videos released by the gov't that show any of the alleged terrorists in the airport... you know to confirm... from what i have heard they were not on the passenger list!
2. to you're theory of the wings and tail blah blah: if it was actually true, how do you explain the small hole on the ground floor. For it to be even possible to make that type of whole with the airplane of that size in that specific area (ground floor), there would be a giant imprint of the belly of the plane infront of that hole on the ground b/c it would of had to be coming in at a VERY steep angle to hit that spot (which discredits all of those testimonies that say it was 20 ft above the ground over the highway or whatnot.

More realistically IF IT WAS a plane that impacted it, the hole would be much higher, check out the plane in the picture, and the height... i know there was no landing gear but the engines are lower than the nose of the plane and those engines are at least 10 ft high... any insight on that?

[Psycho4Bud]

1. could you find any videos released by the gov't that show any of the alleged terrorists in the airport... you know to confirm... from what i have heard they were not on the passenger list!

I do recall seeing footage of that on tv but to find it...I really don't think I could. The site I got the passenger list from wasn't an official airlines registor either. It was CNN if I recall.

2. to you're theory of the wings and tail blah blah: if it was actually true, how do you explain the small hole on the ground floor. For it to be even possible to make that type of whole with the airplane of that size in that specific area (ground floor), there would be a giant imprint of the belly of the plane infront of that hole on the ground b/c it would of had to be coming in at a VERY steep angle to hit that spot (which discredits all of those testimonies that say it was 20 ft above the ground over the highway or whatnot.

More realistically IF IT WAS a plane that impacted it, the hole would be much higher, check out the plane in the picture, and the height... i know there was no landing gear but the engines are lower than the nose of the plane and those engines are at least 10 ft high... any insight on that?

That's a theory, you asked what I believe...I stated it...gave links...opinion. As far as the angle of the dangle hell, I'm a fluid power technician .....just a little out of my field.

I also don't believe that all the people on the passenger list, loved ones, witnesses are being paid off for silence.
You know why crooks usually like to work alone....less mouths to tell the story to the cops! How many people do you think the government would let in on a plot of this caliber? Damn, Clinton couldn't even get a hummer in private and you think that something of this magnitude would fly? I don't!:thumbsup:


Well, big morning of community service awaits!:mad:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

I also don't believe that all the people on the passenger list, loved ones, witnesses are being paid off for silence.
You know why crooks usually like to work alone....less mouths to tell the story to the cops! How many people do you think the government would let in on a plot of this caliber? Damn, Clinton couldn't even get a hummer in private and you think that something of this magnitude would fly? I don't!:thumbsup:



wow, you have again unknowingly supported some things i am about to present.
The capacity of the plane that "hit" the pentagon was carrying a mere 58 passengers (56 not including "hijackers")... the planes capacity is 200 people and it took off from one of the busiest airports Newark. All the planes contained less than 100 people: lessmouths to tell the story to the cops!

[eg420ne]

Alright more questions--Why did they said plane attacked the portion of the building that was nearly empty, And why did the aircraft undertook an extreme maneuver to strike this portion.

Where did the wings and engine go- I feel if the said plane was going at an 45 degree angle, most of the left side(wings engines) would be very noticeable, laying on the ground, surely you dont think the wings and engines completely vanish into thin air....

[xblackdogx]

these are two pictures of what the Gov't has used to prove the hijacker:
his name is Hanjour...
first picture is an atm 9/5/01.. second is "airport on 9/11/01" (some say the video isn't from that date)
look at the difference b/w his hairline, and the shape of his head
[this was at dulles airport, and well you guys know Marvin Bush was in charge of security in this airport]

[xblackdogx]

Even more evidence that fires could not have caused the collapse:
today, during Moussaoui's trial some tapes of 911 phone calls were made...

One lady on the 83rd floor of the South Tower said basically the following: The floor was entirely covered w/ smoke, but there were no fires where she was.
I went ahead and looked up which floors were hit by the plane and this is what i found: floors 78-85.

Now does that make any kind of sense in correlation w/ the official report.

[Psycho4Bud]

Even more evidence that fires could not have caused the collapse:
today, during Moussaoui's trial some tapes of 911 phone calls were made...

One lady on the 83rd floor of the South Tower said basically the following: The floor was entirely covered w/ smoke, but there were no fires where she was.
I went ahead and looked up which floors were hit by the plane and this is what i found: floors 78-85.

Now does that make any kind of sense in correlation w/ the official report.

Open floor design without smoke barriers. There are fireproof barriers and smoke barriers....with an open floor design you may as well figure that any fire on any floor is going to cause smoke damage throughout the floor in question.

[Great Spirit]

Open floor design without smoke barriers. There are fireproof barriers and smoke barriers....with an open floor design you may as well figure that any fire on any floor is going to cause smoke damage throughout the floor in question.I think your covers blown dude. lol.

[Psycho4Bud]

wow, you have again unknowingly supported some things i am about to present.
The capacity of the plane that "hit" the pentagon was carrying a mere 58 passengers (56 not including "hijackers")... the planes capacity is 200 people and it took off from one of the busiest airports Newark. All the planes contained less than 100 people: lessmouths to tell the story to the cops!

56 passengers...with their families (multiply by 5 at least)....with their friends (multiply by another 5 at least)=over 2600 silent people. Quite a few mouths I'd say!

[Great Spirit]

Look mom!! No plane!!

DAMN I'M GOOD!!!!!!

p.s. I'm not the smartest man in the world, but I think a 757 would make a bigger hole then 16 feet wide and a bigger fireball then that man.

[Great Spirit]

More...

SEE THE GIF FILE "PENTAGON MOVING!"

[Great Spirit]

Even more...

Notice September 12th, 2001 as the date.

YOU'RE FUCKED PSYCHO!!!!

(FREEDOM FILES WEBSITE---PENTAGON CRASH) http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

[xblackdogx]

Even more...

Notice September 12th, 2001 as the date.

YOU'RE FUCKED PSYCHO!!!!

(FREEDOM FILES WEBSITE---PENTAGON CRASH) http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
i'm glad you posted that video...

I know for a fact that the cameras they have on the George Washington Brigde are fiber optic cameras. The guy that told me about them saw them personally and said that when you are driving across the bridge that they can zoom in on the details of what you have sitting on your lap. Furthermore, can even see the threads on your pants.

The Pentagon has AT THE VERY LEAST the same technology and all they show is this extremely poor quality film? Does that make sense?

[Psycho4Bud]

YOU'RE FUCKED PSYCHO!!!!

Not yet....my lady friend works till 2:30...talk to me about 4:00 on that one!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

56 passengers...with their families (multiply by 5 at least)....with their friends (multiply by another 5 at least)=over 2600 silent people. Quite a few mouths I'd say!

as opposed to:
200 passengers... with their fam (x5) - 10000, friends (x5)- 10000
= 20,200 from ONE PLANE.

see what i mean now... ALL THE PLANES WERE LESS THAN 1/2 full (almost positive, just looked up the number yest)

[Great Spirit]

Not yet....my lady friend works till 2:30...talk to me about 4:00 on that one!:thumbsup:Lady friend? What about wife or girlfriend? Don't you have any morals!!?? lol Wrap it before you tap it!

[Great Spirit]

i'm glad you posted that video...

I know for a fact that the cameras they have on the George Washington Brigde are fiber optic cameras. The guy that told me about them saw them personally and said that when you are driving across the bridge that they can zoom in on the details of what you have sitting on your lap. Furthermore, can even see the threads on your pants.

The Pentagon has AT THE VERY LEAST the same technology and all they show is this extremely poor quality film? Does that make sense? I heard the security video from a nearby gas station was confiscated by federal agents. Why is that?? Shit, don't you think the feds would want to keep that to prove their claim that a "757 plane" hit it?

Anything I can do for the movement brother...let me know. I am more spiritually inclined though, so I don't know what other help I can be except just find videos and pictures and quotes.

[Psycho4Bud]

Lady friend? What about wife or girlfriend? Don't you have any morals!!?? lol Wrap it before you tap it!

LOL...I keep religion and government out of my bedroom. Unless of course they want to join in!

Yah, a biker with high moral values!!! Wait till I tell the bro's that one!:stoned:

[Psycho4Bud]

as opposed to:
200 passengers... with their fam (x5) - 10000, friends (x5)- 10000
= 20,200 from ONE PLANE.

see what i mean now... ALL THE PLANES WERE LESS THAN 1/2 full (almost positive, just looked up the number yest)

That would be considerably more....so how many people knew about Clinton getting a hummer?

[Great Spirit]

LOL...I keep religion and government out of my bedroom. Unless of course they want to join in!

Yah, a biker with high moral values!!! Wait till I tell the bro's that one!:stoned:Sex is supposed to be a sacred act...regardless of religion.

FUNNY PSYCHO HOW YOU NEVER DISPROVED THOSE 5 SLIDE PENTAGON PICTURES. THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE YOU ARE NSA!!

You know for some reason...I thought I had more posts than 414.

[Psycho4Bud]

Sex is supposed to be a sacred act...regardless of religion.

And it is, there's this one lady that just loves to scream "Oh God"...kind of amusing!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

And it is, there's this one lady that just loves to scream "Oh God"...kind of amusing!:thumbsup:I hope you don't try to fuck little children as well since you seem to enjoy sex and are a smartass. A lot of the wealthy and powerful do that type of shit.

[Psycho4Bud]

I hope you don't try to fuck little children as well since you seem to enjoy sex and are a smartass. A lot of the wealthy and powerful do that type of shit.

Why are you always out to cross lines? Get a grip buddy!

[Great Spirit]

Why are you always out to cross lines? Get a grip buddy!Quit your reverse psychology son. You still never tried to prove me wrong about those 5 slided Pentagon Crash pictures.

What else are your going to tell me?

[Psycho4Bud]

Quit your reverse psychology son. You still never tried to prove me wrong about those 5 slided Pentagon Crash pictures.

What else are your going to tell me?

I'm done playing your lil' game here boy. I've been through this crap many times on here and you just don't get it. There's a diffence between a healthy debate and your method of no fact besides LOW BLOW insults. Go play with someone else dude!

[Great Spirit]

I'm done playing your lil' game here boy. I've been through this crap many times on here and you just don't get it. There's a diffence between a healthy debate and your method of no fact besides LOW BLOW insults. Go play with someone else dude!Yup....definately NSA.

This guy won't even try to disprove the pictures. Total giveaway there buddy! But I guess it doesn't matter. After all, a picture is worth a thousand words. lol.

[Bong30]

he can come play with me, but i just want to kick his ass, so im no better.

[xblackdogx]

^^ does that mean you believe that the gov't is telling the truth,
or you think he is an a-hole

[Miss Green]

I do believe that Osama didn't even do it I had thought this from day one.I think personally he might of been on the plane when bush ordered no planes eg comercial planes but the bin ladens were flying back home so.I believe it was the american government that makes perfect sense not that going to war for 2987 peoples lives thats bullshit but he needed a story that the america people were going to buy so they could supposed go to war.;)

[tadaa]

Quit your reverse psychology son. You still never tried to prove me wrong about those 5 slided Pentagon Crash pictures.

What else are your going to tell me?

So what exactly happened to the plane that supposidly hit the pentagon, you fucking idiot?

You're saying a missle or something other than a plane hit it, so what happened to the plane the gov. says hit it?

Did it disappear? It took off full of passengers, then magically disappeared:rolleyes:

[eg420ne]

LoL tadaa follows like a good lil sheep--the plane wasnt full of people--for all we know the plane could be at the bottom of the ocean---

[eg420ne]

Can any1 prove the government story of the events of 911 ---any1 any1 Bueller any1

[Great Spirit]

So what exactly happened to the plane that supposidly hit the pentagon, you fucking idiot?

You're saying a missle or something other than a plane hit it, so what happened to the plane the gov. says hit it?

Did it disappear? It took off full of passengers, then magically disappeared:rolleyes:There was no plane...you fucking idiot. lol. It's called pulling things out of your ass!!!!! Try it sometime. You'll be surprised.

You see son, when a "757 plane" crashes and only leaves a hole 16 feet wide and no wreckage of an actual plane...that kind of makes you think that they made up the entire story.

With an unlimited black ops budget you can make people go anywhere and say anything. There was no plane!!

[Great Spirit]

A 757 does this??

You'd betta check yoself foo!!!

[Miss Green]

It quite clearly proves that there was no plane there not a scrap that hole is not big enough at all for a plane to do that,come on when you see the footage there is book lying there on a book stand and it isn't burnt or moved in anyway the windows around the hole is not smashed/broken and there wasn't any piece of the plane so figure it out for yourself have a look at the footage yourself in slow motion.:thumbsup: :smokin:

[Great Spirit]

It quite clearly proves that there was no plane there not a scrap that hole is not big enough at all for a plane to do that,come on when you see the footage there is book lying there on a book stand and it isn't burnt or moved in anyway the windows around the hole is not smashed/broken and there wasn't any piece of the plane so figure it out for yourself have a look at the footage yourself in slow motion.:thumbsup: :smokin:Amen sister. I take it your in the UK? I would watch your butt too dear. They just put that new terror law into effect in the UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4905304.stm

I think when we strike Iran, I will hightail my ass to Canada. Iran will be far more different than Iraq, as Iran could possibly give us a run for our money. There is probably going to be another stock market crash in 2007 predicted by Edgar Cayce, so I won't have to worry about my credit cards! lol.

[krustythfreakinclown]

Okay, here's the deal:

First off, Osama bin Fuckhead has never admitted to the 9-11 attacks. What he has said is that he is glad 9-11 happened. He has never claimed responsibility for 9-11. He sure as hell isn't doing it to avoid pissing us off. He did that already with the embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole (both of which he claimed responsibility for immediately after the attacks happened).

Therefore, given the fact that Osama has yet to say he sponsored or planned 9-11, you must assume that he didn't have anything to do with it.

Now, if you look at Bush's face when he is told about the WTC attack, his expression says, "It finally happened. The thing that I was told to expect has finally happened". It is the look someone has when they hear that someone they know has died after a long illness- you knew something bad was going to happen, just not when or how.

So, my theory is this: The people who really run America told Bush that at some point in his presidency, an event will occur, which will result in him executing a preplanned political agenda. While he was aware something big would happen, he just didn't know when or what. hence the look on his face when told of the WTC attacks.

As further proof, consider this: Me and several of my friends watched live CNN video of cruise missiles bombarding Kabul, Afghanistan within TWO HOURS after the second tower fell. That story was on the air for about 3 minutes and was never mentioned again. Sounds to me like the Navy or CIA already were commencing the invasion of Afghanistan.

Also, don't forget, just 24 hours before the WTC attack, the leader of the Northern Alliance was assasinated, allowing Harmid Karzai to take leadership. How convenient. My theory is this: we approached Karzai's predecessor about being a puppet of the US and he said no. We killed him and put Karzai in his place, because Karzai agreed to be our puppet.

In conclusion, 9-11 was not done by al Qaeda or Osama bin Sheepfucker. Instead, 9-11 was done as an excuse to further turn America into a police state by those who wield the true power in this country.

[Great Spirit]

Okay, here's the deal:

First off, Osama bin Fuckhead has never admitted to the 9-11 attacks. What he has said is that he is glad 9-11 happened. He has never claimed responsibility for 9-11. He sure as hell isn't doing it to avoid pissing us off. He did that already with the embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole (both of which he claimed responsibility for immediately after the attacks happened).

Therefore, given the fact that Osama has yet to say he sponsored or planned 9-11, you must assume that he didn't have anything to do with it.

Now, if you look at Bush's face when he is told about the WTC attack, his expression says, "It finally happened. The thing that I was told to expect has finally happened". It is the look someone has when they hear that someone they know has died after a long illness- you knew something bad was going to happen, just not when or how.

So, my theory is this: The people who really run America told Bush that at some point in his presidency, an event will occur, which will result in him executing a preplanned political agenda. While he was aware something big would happen, he just didn't know when or what. hence the look on his face when told of the WTC attacks.

As further proof, consider this: Me and several of my friends watched live CNN video of cruise missiles bombarding Kabul, Afghanistan within TWO HOURS after the second tower fell. That story was on the air for about 3 minutes and was never mentioned again. Sounds to me like the Navy or CIA already were commencing the invasion of Afghanistan.

Also, don't forget, just 24 hours before the WTC attack, the leader of the Northern Alliance was assasinated, allowing Harmid Karzai to take leadership. How convenient. My theory is this: we approached Karzai's predecessor about being a puppet of the US and he said no. We killed him and put Karzai in his place, because Karzai agreed to be our puppet.

In conclusion, 9-11 was not done by al Qaeda or Osama bin Sheepfucker. Instead, 9-11 was done as an excuse to further turn America into a police state by those who wield the true power in this country.Great post! I couldn't have said it better myself! At least someone doesn't have their head up their ass.

This is very scary that 9/11 was used to bring about a fascist dictatorship in Amerika and to create a New World Order or better known as a New American Century! I am waiting for them anyday to come kick down my door and arrest me and throw me in an American Nazi detention camp.

"The truth is yes, you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here . . . whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism . . . evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps." - Congressman Henry Gonzales

On Alex Jones' website http://www.infowars.com there are clips of soldiers in mock training using Gestappo tactics to detain US citizens. What the fuck!!!!

You would think humans would have learned from their mistakes. I guess I was wrong. It is times like these where you ask G-d to kill you because you can't go up against such powerful evil men like Bush and Cheney...

Just because you're not paranoid...doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

[Bong30]

Okay, here's the deal:

First off, Osama bin Fuckhead has never admitted to the 9-11 attacks. What he has said is that he is glad 9-11 happened. He has never claimed responsibility for 9-11. He sure as hell isn't doing it to avoid pissing us off. He did that already with the embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole (both of which he claimed responsibility for immediately after the attacks happened).

Therefore, given the fact that Osama has yet to say he sponsored or planned 9-11, you must assume that he didn't have anything to do with it.

Now, if you look at Bush's face when he is told about the WTC attack, his expression says, "It finally happened. The thing that I was told to expect has finally happened". It is the look someone has when they hear that someone they know has died after a long illness- you knew something bad was going to happen, just not when or how.

So, my theory is this: The people who really run America told Bush that at some point in his presidency, an event will occur, which will result in him executing a preplanned political agenda. While he was aware something big would happen, he just didn't know when or what. hence the look on his face when told of the WTC attacks.

As further proof, consider this: Me and several of my friends watched live CNN video of cruise missiles bombarding Kabul, Afghanistan within TWO HOURS after the second tower fell. That story was on the air for about 3 minutes and was never mentioned again. Sounds to me like the Navy or CIA already were commencing the invasion of Afghanistan.

Also, don't forget, just 24 hours before the WTC attack, the leader of the Northern Alliance was assasinated, allowing Harmid Karzai to take leadership. How convenient. My theory is this: we approached Karzai's predecessor about being a puppet of the US and he said no. We killed him and put Karzai in his place, because Karzai agreed to be our puppet.

In conclusion, 9-11 was not done by al Qaeda or Osama bin Sheepfucker. Instead, 9-11 was done as an excuse to further turn America into a police state by those who wield the true power in this country.
Great post...I only agree about 25% with you. I like your use of logic and reasoning.

[Psycho4Bud]

Okay, here's the deal:

First off, Osama bin Fuckhead has never admitted to the 9-11 attacks. What he has said is that he is glad 9-11 happened. He has never claimed responsibility for 9-11. He sure as hell isn't doing it to avoid pissing us off. He did that already with the embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole (both of which he claimed responsibility for immediately after the attacks happened).

Osama bin Laden said for the first time that he ordered the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to a videotape made public today, and he accused President Bush of "misleading the American people" about the attacks.

He also said that "the reasons to repeat what happened" on 9/11 remain, according to the Web site of the Al Jazeera satellite news network, which obtained the tape.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/30osamaCND.html?ex=1256788800&en=5ff84d6f759ad30b&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland


Therefore, given the fact that Osama has yet to say he sponsored or planned 9-11, you must assume that he didn't have anything to do with it.

You know if you assume....well, you know...

Now, if you look at Bush's face when he is told about the WTC attack, his expression says, "It finally happened. The thing that I was told to expect has finally happened". It is the look someone has when they hear that someone they know has died after a long illness- you knew something bad was going to happen, just not when or how.

So, my theory is this: The people who really run America told Bush that at some point in his presidency, an event will occur, which will result in him executing a preplanned political agenda. While he was aware something big would happen, he just didn't know when or what. hence the look on his face when told of the WTC attacks.

As further proof, consider this: Me and several of my friends watched live CNN video of cruise missiles bombarding Kabul, Afghanistan within TWO HOURS after the second tower fell. That story was on the air for about 3 minutes and was never mentioned again. Sounds to me like the Navy or CIA already were commencing the invasion of Afghanistan.

Oct. 7, 2001 - Military operations with aerial bombardment began in Afghanistan
http://www.timelineindex.com/content/view/170

Also, don't forget, just 24 hours before the WTC attack, the leader of the Northern Alliance was assasinated, allowing Harmid Karzai to take leadership. How convenient. My theory is this: we approached Karzai's predecessor about being a puppet of the US and he said no. We killed him and put Karzai in his place, because Karzai agreed to be our puppet.

(CNN) -- On September 9, the guerrilla leader of Afghanistan's Northern Alliance and enemy of the ruling Taliban was fatally attacked as he began what he believed was an interview with two TV journalists. Two days later, terrorists struck the United States.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/06/bindra.focus/
So the Taliban was working for us??

In conclusion, 9-11 was not done by al Qaeda or Osama bin Sheepfucker. Instead, 9-11 was done as an excuse to further turn America into a police state by those who wield the true power in this country.

We got police in all states but it's not a "police state".

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

We got police in all states but it's not a "police state".

Have a good one!:thumbsup:Ask yourself where is the plane at the Pentagon...

[Great Spirit]

The first picture is a picture of the Pentagon wall before collapse. There is video of this as well on "9/11 In Plane Site" showing the wall collapsing.

Surely if something as big as a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon at the alleged speed, it would have destroyed that wall right on impact.

And also...I JUST DON'T SEE ANY PLANE WRECKAGE EITHER!!

Lol it was funny today in class my teacher asks if we know any communists. I should have asked "will you turn them in if I know any?" lol.

[Psycho4Bud]

Ask yourself where is the plane at the Pentagon...

I believe that fire ball speaks for itself.

[Psycho4Bud]

Surely if something as big as a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon at the alleged speed, it would have destroyed that wall right on impact.

Aluminum doesn't hold up well to reinforced concrete.
And also...I JUST DON'T SEE ANY PLANE WRECKAGE EITHER!!.

Here's a pic for ya.

[Great Spirit]

I believe that fire ball speaks for itself.Lol..still never answered the question which was "where is the plane wreckage at the Pentagon?"

Also, do you mind sharing with us why Building 7 at the WTC just mysteriously fell by demolitionms or as the owner said "we had to pull it"???????? Hmmm?????? Wouldn't they at least warn the people that it was about to be demolished????? Very strange that they would demolish a seperate building when the government is attacking their own people on the same day. Don't you agree??!!

[Psycho4Bud]

Lol..still never answered the question which was "where is the plane wreckage at the Pentagon?"

Enlarge the picture and you can see what is described as possible wreckage.

Also, do you mind sharing with us why Building 7 at the WTC just mysteriously fell by demolitionms or as the owner said "we had to pull it"???????? Hmmm?????? Wouldn't they at least warn the people that it was about to be demolished????? Very strange that they would demolish a seperate building when the government is attacking their own people on the same day. Don't you agree??!!

We've been over this. Pull the building meant to evacuate which answers your next question on warning the people of a collapse..not demolition.

[xblackdogx]

We've been over this. Pull the building meant to evacuate which answers your next question on warning the people of a collapse..not demolition.
if this was the case, why didn't they include it in the 9/11 Commission Report. was it not another collapse due to the attacks?

[Psycho4Bud]

if this was the case, why didn't they include it in the 9/11 Commission Report. was it not another collapse due to the attacks?

It wasn't a "target". I'm sure there was other destruction "due to the collapse" of the towers that wasn't mentioned in the report.

[Great Spirit]

We've been over this. Pull the building meant to evacuate which answers your next question on warning the people of a collapse..not demolition.Son son son....you're using reverse psychology and avoiding the question again because I have you trapped. I will ask again....

Why did they "pull" Building 7 at the WTC when the USA was being attacked on the same day? Was there something wrong with it that could have been fixed? I mean, they really only demolish buildings to make way for new buildings and the public is generally aware that they will demolish it and they like to have parties and shit too! It does take a while to plan a demolition and its very suspicious to me that they would do it on 9/11.

So if you can answer this question for me...that would be great..mmmk!!

Oh by the way Psycho, it seems you've been having problems with your NSA reports. Yea...you see we're putting the new cover sheets on all of the NSA political dissident reports. Did you see the memo about this? So if you can do that, that would would be great...mmk?? And I'll make sure you get a copy of that memo..mmk! Thanks Psycho!

[Psycho4Bud]

Son son son....you're using reverse psychology and avoiding the question again because I have you trapped. I will ask again....

Don't understand this son crap but if it floats your boat..go for it!

Why did they "pull" Building 7 at the WTC when the USA was being attacked on the same day? Was there something wrong with it that could have been fixed? I mean, they really only demolish buildings to make way for new buildings and the public is generally aware that they will demolish it and they like to have parties and shit too! It does take a while to plan a demolition and its very suspicious to me that they would do it on 9/11.

The building was burning, people needed to be saved from the towers collapse, building 7 was holding over 250 gallons of fuel for the power station it was built over.

So if you can answer this question for me...that would be great..mmmk!!

Oh by the way Psycho, it seems you've been having problems with your NSA reports. Yea...you see we're putting the new cover sheets on all of the NSA political dissident reports. Did you see the memo about this? So if you can do that, that would would be great...mmk?? And I'll make sure you get a copy of that memo..mmk! Thanks Psycho!

Let me check my Norwegian Stompin Ass report.....nope....no new names to speak of!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Let me check my Norwegian Stompin Ass report.....nope....no new names to speak of!:thumbsup:Building 7 was not fucken burning!!!!!!!! Are you just fucking dumb or something, or really an NSA agent??!!!

I give up on you...I really do. Here is a pic of Building 7 collapsing and a link to the video of it collapsing be detonators. IT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE!!!!!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/281104unmistakablecharges.htm

[Psycho4Bud]

Building 7 was not fucken burning!!!!!!!! Are you just fucking dumb or something, or really an NSA agent??!!!

You call me fucking dumb and state that building 7 wasn't even burning? LOL

I give up on you...I really do. Here is a pic of Building 7 collapsing and a link to the video of it collapsing be detonators. IT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE!!!!!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/281104unmistakablecharges.htm

I know this isn't as credible as Prisonplanet (LOL) but it'll have to do.

An Initial Microstructural Analysis of A36 Steel from WTC Building 7
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Biederman/Biederman-0112.html

[Psycho4Bud]

Like I stated...these people are definately no Alex Jones!

The authors acknowledge the assistance of Jeremy Bernier and Marco Fontecchio in preparing this information.

J.R. Barnett is a professor of fire protection engineering, and R.R. Biederman and R.D. Sisson, Jr. are professors of materials science and engineering, at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, Massachusetts, 01609.

[xblackdogx]

It wasn't a "target". I'm sure there was other destruction "due to the collapse" of the towers that wasn't mentioned in the report.

please, come on bro, you are smarter than that
WTC 4,5 were extremely damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.... WTC 7 had no damage even comparable to 4 and 5 and yet it fell due to "small fires in select portions of the building"

you truly scare me psycho
and could you answer one thing: i thought the gov't drug tested their employees..

[Psycho4Bud]

please, come on bro, you are smarter than that
WTC 4,5 were extremely damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.... WTC 7 had no damage even comparable to 4 and 5 and yet it fell due to "small fires in select portions of the building"

you truly scare me psycho
and could you answer one thing: i thought the gov't drug tested their employees..

Come on now! Like I told the jailer when I took my piss test for hubor privilage..."after 30 years of tokin' do ya really think it's going to be clean"?

Did you read the analysis?

[Breukelen advocaat]

I spent many a day in the upper floors of Two World Trade Center. When there was wind, the building swayed - it was unnerving at first, especially while in an elevators. There were two elevator banks - one was a group that went up to about the 45th floor, and another that you had to change over to to go the rest of the way up.

If a little WIND could move those buildings and many other lesser ones, what the hell do you think an airliner could do if it hit it? It would seriously destabilize the structure, that's what - and that's why it was built to collapse straight down. An architect told me on 9/11, on the subway, that they would collapse from the impact and fires, and they did.

Seven World Trade Center is the object of many law suits and investigations. More of the story of it's destruction is forthcoming. There are so many companies and government agencies involved it could take forever, but that's the way the courts work.

[xblackdogx]

i have read parts of the 9/11 commission report and found major contradictions, specifically in Flight 77... i can't read all 80 pages, but ill look skim it over and see if what you're saying could apply

[Great Spirit]

Like I stated...these people are definately no Alex Jones!

The authors acknowledge the assistance of Jeremy Bernier and Marco Fontecchio in preparing this information.

J.R. Barnett is a professor of fire protection engineering, and R.R. Biederman and R.D. Sisson, Jr. are professors of materials science and engineering, at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, Massachusetts, 01609. It's bullshit and you fucken know it!!! That building was not on fire and it was DELIBERATLY planned and detonated before the attacks took place, as was the WTC buildings themselves!! God how blind are people sometimes?!

Damn Amerikan Nazis. I already have my list of NSA scum agents on these boards.

Does anyone else agree with this person that it was "damaged" by WTC Buildings 1 or 2, or it was deliberatly detonated? Funny how it took them just over an hour or 2 to set up detonators to "pull it" so suddenly. I mean...did some joe blo guy just stick detonators anywhere? I really dont't think thats legal. lol.

YOU"RE FUCKED BUDDY!!! :thumbsup:

And Psycho...if you'll remember to put those new cover sheets on your NSA reports, that'll be great....mmk!!! Oh by the way...did you get that memo?

[Psycho4Bud]

It's bullshit and you fucken know it!!! That building was not on fire and it was DELIBERATLY planned and detonated before the attacks took place, as was the WTC buildings themselves!! God how blind are people sometimes?!

Damn Amerikan Nazis. I already have my list of NSA scum agents on these boards.

Does anyone else agree with this person that it was "damaged" by WTC Buildings 1 or 2, or it was deliberatly detonated? Funny how it took them just over an hour or 2 to set up detonators to "pull it" so suddenly. I mean...did some joe blo guy just stick detonators anywhere? I really dont't think thats legal. lol.

YOU"RE FUCKED BUDDY!!! :thumbsup:

And Psycho...if you'll remember to put those new cover sheets on your NSA reports, that'll be great....mmk!!! Oh by the way...did you get that memo?


Very compelling arguement! HMMMMM....to bad you couldn't have supplied a few supporting links to that. Oh well.......

Keep up the good work!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Very compelling arguement! HMMMMM....to bad you couldn't have supplied a few supporting links to that. Oh well.......

Keep up the good work!:thumbsup:Nazism at its finest huh! There is no way in hell Building 7 could have been damaged enough by the WTC attacks and warrant a demolition. You do realize that it takes months of planning to do a demolition right?? So why all of a sudden do they "pull" it?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!

[Psycho4Bud]

Nazism at its finest huh!

Why hello, you like to ask questions concerning pictures so I looked up something special just for you.....since you bring up the "Nazi" thing, can you expain the similarities of the pics below and also, what's your opinion on pic #1?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

BACK TO THE TOPIC:
http://www.unknownnews.org/060214a-Barrett.html

head of Duke Univesity's religous studies department has anazlyzed and translated all the bin Laden tapes, look at his discoveries.

[Psycho4Bud]

BACK TO THE TOPIC:
http://www.unknownnews.org/060214a-Barrett.html

head of Duke Univesity's religous studies department has anazlyzed and translated all the bin Laden tapes, look at his discoveries.

When this is in the article: fabricated by "al-CIA-duh"
I personally don't consider it as a valid independent source....sorry! If your going to put out a professional report you do it in a professional manner, wouldn't you agree?


And, oh no, I would enjoy very much for Great Spirit to evaluate the pics.....

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

so you're telling me that this is not valid...
that the head of religious studies of Duke University is somehow discredited by a stupid reference?

[Psycho4Bud]

so you're telling me that this is not valid...
that the head of religious studies of Duke University is somehow discredited by a stupid reference?

I don't doubt the word of the Bruce Lawrence, I followed the link....very misleading!

Your link title:
Bin Laden tapes are as phony as Sept. 11's connection to Islam


Bruce Lawrence link in the article:
"It was like a voice from the grave," Lawrence said.

He has doubts about the tape, and thinks bin Laden is dead.


So he feels Bin Laden is dead and that this tape was like a voice from the grave. He bases his doubts on the lack of Quran quotes in his speach.

I'd find a different source......

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Why hello, you like to ask questions concerning pictures so I looked up something special just for you.....since you bring up the "Nazi" thing, can you expain the similarities of the pics below and also, what's your opinion on pic #1?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:Mere coincidence. Lol. Remember though that religion is another agent of the Illuminati. It's just another tool of enslavement. These so called "Muslims" who practice Jihad are the same as Christians who hate gays, liberals, and secular intellectuals. There is no real difference.

I suggest you read up on the Sufis of Islam who are the mystics, like the Christian Gnostics and Jewish Cabbalists. They have a much more open interpretation of the Quran, as there are many liberal Christians too who have a more open interpretation of the Bible. You're suggesting that all Muslims are terrorists, which they are not!

However I am more concerned with these quotes. And remember, fascism and religion go hand in hand! Listen:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord" - Adolf Hitler

""God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East." - George W. Bush

ANY SIMILARITIES?? IT'S NOT EVERYDAY A MANIAC LEADER SAYS HE SPEAKS TO GOD!!! ESPECIALLY IN A SUPPOSED SECULAR NATION!!

[Breukelen advocaat]

These so called "Muslims" who practice Jihad are the same as Christians who hate gays, liberals, and secular intellectuals. There is no real difference.[/SIZE]

As a non-religious person, even I have to take exception to the claim that you make in the excerpt above. There IS a "real difference" between religious people of the Christian faith that hate various groups, and mainstream Islamic ones that are allied with extremists who strap dynamite to themselves to kill, fly planes into buildings, and attempt to silence anyone that they oppose with violence.

Perhaps you mean to say "similarities" - and by that, I'm referring to the mainstream believers. The differences between Timothy McVeigh and the jihads are slim, but even he didn't deliberately kill himself when he bombed the building in Oklahoma. At least he got the death penalty, which is better than nothing.

This jihad is happening every single day.

We should do exactly what bin laden and his ilk wants, and cut off all ties to the Islamic world. Let them stew in their own juices for a while, and see how they like it when Americans buy no oil from them. If they cannot get their act together, tough!

[Psycho4Bud]

Mere coincidence. Lol. Remember though that religion is another agent of the Illuminati. It's just another tool of enslavement. These so called "Muslims" who practice Jihad are the same as Christians who hate gays, liberals, and secular intellectuals. There is no real difference.

I suggest you read up on the Sufis of Islam who are the mystics, like the Christian Gnostics and Jewish Cabbalists. They have a much more open interpretation of the Quran, as there are many liberal Christians too who have a more open interpretation of the Bible. You're suggesting that all Muslims are terrorists, which they are not!

However I am more concerned with these quotes. And remember, fascism and religion go hand in hand! Listen:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord" - Adolf Hitler

""God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East." - George W. Bush

ANY SIMILARITIES?? IT'S NOT EVERYDAY A MANIAC LEADER SAYS HE SPEAKS TO GOD!!! ESPECIALLY IN A SUPPOSED SECULAR NATION!!

Switching the subject without giving a clear answer? Now I could be like you and go off on a tirade calling you every name in the book, accusations....but I'm on a higher Spiritual Plain I guess.:dance: lol

Have a good one son!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Switching the subject without giving a clear answer? Now I could be like you and go off on a tirade calling you every name in the book, accusations....but I'm on a higher Spiritual Plain I guess.:dance: lol

Have a good one son!:thumbsup:All the people in the pic were having their hand out. One was fundementalist Muslims doing it, one was Nazis holden them out. So..Amerikans put their hand to their heart to pledge to the flag but the US is a fascist nation.

Hell maybe the cronies told the backstabbing hateful leader Muslim Caliphs who are like the High Priests of the Jews during Yeshua's time cooperate with the state and to make fun of them who did and just copied Hitler. I don't know.

But still Psycho you must come to believe that Building 7 was planned to be demolished in advance before 9/11. It was fine and far away from the main WTC site of destruction. Plus..still no plane at the Pentagon!! That should make us question the WHOLE 9/11 story!