Traditional Shamanic Uses Of Hallucinogens

[Euphoric]

Generations of Aztecs used the Morning Glory seeds to communicate with the Sun Gods as a ritual. Natives in Mexico (Oaxaca region) believe that the deity lives within the seeds.

A Shamanistic Journey can be induced through the use of pschotropic drugs or hallucinogens. Some alteratives that are used to bring about a shamanistic experience include Peyote (mescaline), Ayahuasca, Daktura, Psilocin, Cohoba, Morning Glory Seeds, Jimson Weed, Iawaska and others. Particularly with marijuana, which is also used by some as a spiritual connector.

Generally, the shaman traverses the axis mundi and enters the spirit world by effecting a change of consciousness in himself, entering into an ecstatic trance, either autohypnotically or through the use of entheogens. The methods used are diverse, and often are used in conjunction with each other.

Shamans often use a drum in their work. Shaman ride the rhythm of the drum beat into unseen worlds. Recent research has found that a drumbeat frequency of 4-7 cycles/second is the same range as the theta wave EEG associated with our brain wave frequency when it is dreaming, in hypnotic state or in a trance.

A mask is a representative vehicle shaman use to teach or transport their public audiences into their secret realm. The mask is used as a pantomime apparatus to tell the story of a journey the shaman underwent or is undergoing. The mask may expose the inner spiritual nature of the enemy - another human, an animal, an ancestor spirit or a benevolent spirit. By a mask the shaman heals the community by showing the connection between all things.

The staff or wands are used by shaman to focus their powers and concentration. They are also used as status symbols of their position within the community.

Ceremonial robes or lack of clothes help the shaman on his spiritual journey.

The outer robes may form the outward expression from which the shaman launches their spiritual journey. The robes or the body may be decorated with protection symbols or other materials necessary for hazardous journeys into the world of the unknown. Often the rattle or rustle of these decorations opens portals to reveal pathways or calm the very spirits that guarded these pathways.


"Never Turn Your Back On A Drug" ~ Hunter S. Thompson


http://www.healthynewage.com/shaman.html
http://shamansdrum.org/Pages/ReviewsEncyclopedia.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/shamanism.html
http://shamanic-path.com/Urban%20Shaman.htm

[Euphoric]

First of all, no matter what you do you are not going to physically turn into an animal, so just drop that idea right now. Shapeshifting is a reality though. It is done through visualization so that you may carry the power and abilities of an animal with you when you need it. Drawing the courage of a lion in the face of adversity is an example where you can draw on the power of an animal spirit in such a way. Shapeshifting is also a way of getting to know an animal better (the old walk a mile in their shoes bit or perhaps in this case it should be paws....) Finally shapeshifting allows you to take on animal form while on shamanic journeys or while you visit the astral plane.

Shapechanging in practice essentially breaks down into two main areas that for the purposes of discussion I've decided to call "Out of body" shifting and "Altered State" shifting. The two are related: altered state shapeshifting in particular using some of the methods of consciousness altering employed in out-of-body voyages but they are sufficiently different to enable them to be considered separately.


All shapeshifting occurs on an energy level. However, depending on the density of the vibration of a specific energy field, the shapeshifting event may be more or less obvious to physical senses. When a complete physical transformation occurs, a shapeshifting is said to be physical. Vast majority of shapeshifters do not undergo a complete physical transformation and may outwardly appear pretty much the same i.e. they will still look pretty much as any human being, and even though they may be some more or less obvious behavioral changes, other people will be able to sense the change.


http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wyldkat/anmlshft.htm
http://www.rialian.com/shape.htm
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/shapeshifting.htm

[Euphoric]

Healer's are channelers of the body's energies. The Healer is a realigner of magical forces to the benefit of a living being. The theory is that when the physical body is cut the ethereal body is cut as well. Both wounds will eventually heal but the ethereal cut is usually untended to. The Healer must feel the energy of the wounded, "soften" it, and mold it back into alignment with the rest of the body. Once the ethereal body is healed, the physical body will quickly follow. By the same token, the Healer can create wounds as well by disaligning the ethereal body of a target. This is rarely done, as a Healer is almost always interested in health and life (or else it's more common that someone interested in injury takes up Necromancy instead). The healing is usually not instant, but it is extremely fast. Nothing short of practice will improve a Healer in this art.
Some people can psychically look at the subject and see images within the person's aura. These images may include symbols/archetypes, people, digits, or even another aspect of the person's soul that is coming through in their third dimensional aura from another realm.
Anything that can affect an electromagnetic field can affect a change in one's aura.

As everything that is in our reality is created from electromagnetic energy, everything has an aura - plants, animals, etc.

When you are working as a healer, you are bringing balance to the person's electromagnetic field.

You should observe the person slowly then determine if they have holes in their aura. It would look as if the EM energies had suddenly stopped.

This will tell you where there is a problem or imbalance in their physical body.

I always suggest you discuss the problem with the person first. All physical illness comes from the emotional body which created the problem in the first place.

You must find the psychological cause of the problem first, to determine if the person actually wants to be healed on an emotional and soul level. If they are they are not ready, the healing and balancing can only last for a sort time and will revert back, or manifest in another area of the body. All healing must be done on the soul level first!

You can use your hands in a slow sweeping motion over the part of the aura where the energy (chi) does not appear to flow properly.

As you move your hands across the person's aura - you should both experience some sort of change in the energy flow.

You do not touch the person--just the auric field of that person. This healing technique is know as Therapeutic Touch.

If you would like to see your own aura, find a mirror that is in a well lit room. Relax. Look at your head or head and shoulder area. Focus on one side of your head. Soon you should be able to see the electromagnetic energies as a field of light - around your head.

Do you want to feel the electromagnetic energies coming from your body? Try holding the palms of your hand facing each other - about two inches apart. Wait a few second. You will feel something. If you hands are nervous and cold, that will hamper the energies.

Once you begin to feel the sensation of electromagnetic energies between your palms, move them slowly to and fro. You will feel the movement of your aura. Look between your hands to see the electromagnetic energies, your aura.

Try moving your palms further and further apart slowly. See how far you can go before you no longer feel the 'pull'. Remember to check periodically by moving your hands slightly and slowly.

Now try pointing your fingers towards each other and feel those energies. Again move your fingertips to and fro.

You can repeat this with another person.



http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/index.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/aura.html

[MoonStarer420]

[COLOR="Green"] As everything that is in our reality is created from electromagnetic energy, everything has an aura - plants, animals, etc.

When you are working as a healer, you are bringing balance to the person's electromagnetic field.

You should observe the person slowly then determine if they have holes in their aura. It would look as if the EM energies had suddenly stopped.

I may not know the history and names of people and cultures but I do know physics. There are 3 other forces, besides the elecromagnetic force, thatmake up our reality; the weak and stong nuclear forces, and the gravitational. While the gravitational may not play as importaint of role, the strong most defenatly does. It's what holds all the atom nuclei in your body together. But this is besides the point.

This idea of "healing" your EM field is too crazy to even know where to begin. I'll leave it at this, the ony EM radiation your body is giving off is in the infared through heat. The rest of the energy in your body is in matter and chemical energy. If some healer is going to heal this energy, he would have to controll some really bad ass magnetic fields, and that is without disrtorting or minipulating his own. Ok ok, so at minimum these healers should know maxwells equations like the back of their hands.

[MoonStarer420]

And when you talk about seeing your aura, that means it should be giving off light in the optical.

[Euphoric]

I may not know the history and names of people and cultures but I do know physics. There are 3 other forces, besides the elecromagnetic force, thatmake up our reality; the weak and stong nuclear forces, and the gravitational. While the gravitational may not play as importaint of role, the strong most defenatly does. It's what holds all the atom nuclei in your body together. But this is besides the point.

This idea of "healing" your EM field is too crazy to even know where to begin. I'll leave it at this, the ony EM radiation your body is giving off is in the infared through heat. The rest of the energy in your body is in matter and chemical energy. If some healer is going to heal this energy, he would have to controll some really bad ass magnetic fields, and that is without disrtorting or minipulating his own. Ok ok, so at minimum these healers should know maxwells equations like the back of their hands.

My goodness you're ignorant and closed minded! Is it better to be a dreamer or a critic?
Any way I posted all this stuff in hopes of some one being able to utilize it. Shamanism has been around for many thousands of years and it will take a lot more than some small minded retard trying to debunk it :p

[Euphoric]

I may not know the history and names of people and cultures but I do know physics.

Ever heard of METAPHYSICS? :rolleyes:

[mrdevious]

My goodness you're ignorant and closed minded! Is it better to be a dreamer or a critic?
Any way I posted all this stuff in hopes of some one being able to utilize it. Shamanism has been around for many thousands of years and it will take a lot more than some small minded retard trying to debunk it :p

You know everybody who doesn't immediately believe something without quesitoning it first, isn't necessarily "ignorant and closed-minded".

[MoonStarer420]

...you're ignorant and closed minded!
No just skeptical. If it is possible then whatâ??s wrong with asking questions about it to know how it works or if it's possible? I was serious about them knowing Maxwellâ??s equations, if they truly could manipulate EM fields with their minds, hands or some other device then why not figure out how they can? It might possibly open up an entirely new realm of physics.


Do you want to feel the electromagnetic energies coming from your body? Try holding the palms of your hand facing each other - about two inches apart. Wait a few second. You will feel something. If you hands are nervous and cold, that will hamper the energies.

I've heard of something similar to this. Tie a small piece of string to a paper clip, hold it out in front of you and try to imagine it spinning around. It will spin around, but it's not your mind directly influencing the paper clip. Your mind will sub-consciously move your arm in little circles making the paper clip do the same.

The mind is a powerful thing and it can lie to you.


Ever heard of METAPHYSICS?
Yep, but your not talking philosophy here, youâ??re talking about physical characteristics that you can detect with your senses. If these characteristics are a product of the mind then this healing would be a bridge between philosophy and the physical world. Aristotle was a metaphysicist, but he wasnâ??t interested in physically testing his ideas (it was a slaveâ??s work after all.) While many of his ideas were great philosophically, he was wrong often on how the universe physically works. Iâ??m skeptical because I donâ??t believe the mind can physically influence its surroundings. If there was a way of measuring or modeling your aura then it would be more believable.

â??A more nuanced view is that metaphysical statements are not meaningless statements, but rather that they are generally not fallible, testable or provable statements. That is to say, there is no valid set of empirical observations nor a valid set of logical arguments which could definitively prove metaphysical statements to be true or false. Hence, a metaphysical statement usually implies a belief about the world or about the universe which may seem reasonable but is ultimately not empirically verifiable.â?�

[MoonStarer420]

Is it better to be a dreamer or a critic?

I pick both, I need both. I keep an open mind to new ideas, (I certainly had one when I clicked on your link.) But I saw problems that conflicted with physical theories that I knew. So I asked questions and pointed out the conflicts. Weather you know the answers or not they would have to be solved in order for the idea to be accepted. EM fields are generated by charges, and can only be altered by other charges and magnetic fields. If a healer was healing someone, he/she would have to influence the aura (EM field) in a similar way. A contradiction to this would mean a complete overall of the physics behind the electromagnetic force physics models today. These theories drive everything our society runs on today, literally. We generate power in power plants, build computers and electronics, and study stars, and all of it depends on what we know about these physical laws. You we're mostly right when you said "As everything that is in our reality is created from electromagnetic energy...." I'm just wondering why this implies the existence of an aura.

As for dreaming, I keep a note book full of ideas that come to my head, but many of them turn out to be improvable or unreasonable. I take what I know about the Universe, know what is impossible (but not improbable) and go from there. It's the same reason why no physics student would pursue a perpetual motion machine as a graduate project. Plus I find understanding the physical world (especially astronomy) to be much more interesting then any philosophical one.

[Euphoric]

Did all of that rambling make you feel better about yourself? You seem even less open minded now- just one of those people who only trusts what they can see or read in a math book.
Too bad they don't teach you how to think outside the box at college, huh? :p

[Euphoric]

You know everybody who doesn't immediately believe something without quesitoning it first, isn't necessarily "ignorant and closed-minded".

fuck you

[Euphoric]

It took an hour to accumulate this information and i thought i would share it for the good of the community! The only response i got was from moonstarer, who has little concept of spirituality (check out HIS post in this forum its a joke) and has been follwoing me around the forum trying to sabotage my work in posting information (look at galactic light and darkness) So i had a right to be pissed, and i called him out - an ignorant little bitch :)
Mr devious wasnt very obsevant, and saw some name calling and started waving his finger..basicly siding with him without reading the information i so painstakingly posted
So moonstarer posted a lot more, trying to play on that "victim" theme to accumulate more people to defend him. Which only pissed me off more.

The point is, moon here has no personal knowledge of shamanism or religon. He's mediocre in mind and spirit. So why do i let it get under my skin? I don't know, I guess little bitches annoy me!

The spirituality forums clearly say, have some respect. And that dude clearly doesnt. All this bullshit is completely stupid, i wanted to discuss shamanism. Its always the idiots that mess up good things, anywhere you go.

[mrdevious]

It took an hour to accumulate this information and i thought i would share it for the good of the community! The only response i got was from moonstarer, who has little concept of spirituality (check out HIS post in this forum its a joke) and has been follwoing me around the forum trying to sabotage my work in posting information (look at galactic light and darkness) So i had a right to be pissed, and i called him out - an ignorant little bitch :)
Mr devious wasnt very obsevant, and saw some name calling and started waving his finger..basicly siding with him without reading the information i so painstakingly posted
So moonstarer posted a lot more, trying to play on that "victim" theme to accumulate more people to defend him. Which only pissed me off more.

The point is, moon here has no personal knowledge of shamanism or religon. He's mediocre in mind and spirit. So why do i let it get under my skin? I don't know, I guess little bitches annoy me!

The spirituality forums clearly say, have some respect. And that dude clearly doesnt. All this bullshit is completely stupid, i wanted to discuss shamanism. Its always the idiots that mess up good things, anywhere you go.

Euphoric, you've shown some of the most immature, disrespectfull, and ignorant behavior on this thread. Daring to question a theory and present a counter-opinion backed by evidence does not warrant calling somebody "ignorant and closed minded", nor were you in the least justified in a strait up "fuck you" to me. at least I try to be respectfull. But you know what, you obviously have no idea what "closed minded" means, because it doesn't mean actually asking questions about a theory. You oviously consider anybody ignorant if they don't just accept any theory with no basis whatsoever to back it up. it doesn't matter if it's in a math book, believing a theory for no reason other than to believe it is down right fucking retarded. It's people who just believe anything at face value that keep us in a state of ignorance, it's those who study the nature of everything and seek out the answers themselves who actually enable to evolution of society and thought. If you think somebody who doesn't blindly accept something for no reason is ignorant, you have a lot of growing up to do.

[Euphoric]

srry

[Not Enough Herb]

shamanism kicks ass

thats all i gotta say

later

[mrdevious]

Hey Euphoric, I just wanna say I still appreciate the creation of the whole thread, I've been very interested in this stuff myself. I just got pissed by your overall hostile tone and then saying "fuck you" to me for pointing out that you don't have to insult the other guy. But I think we all get hot-headed and pissed off at times, myself included (as I probably sounded in my last post). I don't wanna start anything between us though, I just think we all have our rights to our opinions and observations. Overall you seem like a pretty alright guy, so I just wanna say you're still in my good books even if I'm not in yours. and sorry if I let off really hostile.

btw, in a couple weeks I'm heading up to my old hometown to see my friends on my birthday (also easter weekend). I plan to try shrooms for a second time and hopefully do some meditation and see what spiritual use I could use shrooms in. I'll report back to this thread with the results :)

[MoonStarer420]

Hey sorry man, didn't mean to offend you, I did get a little too carried away. I did think you wanted to discuss Shamanism, that is discuss if itâ??s â??trueâ?� or not, I just didnâ??t know you only wanted to discuss it with others who believe in it. I'll keep that in mind when I read your posts from now on. You might want to lay off the insults when trying to prove your point though, it kills your argument and that is what turns the other person into the victim.

oh and I wasn't stalking you, I read almost every post in the spirituality forum, you just happened to be posting on ideas I have opinions on.

[Euphoric]

Mazatec shamans primarily use S. divinorum as a vision-inducing plant. They say it "allows them to travel to heaven and talk to God and the Saints about divination, diagnosis, and healing" (19). Although the plant is reputed to be only "weakly psychotropic," (1) it can produce very powerful visions under the correct circumstances. Rituals are performed to heighten the experience, and darkness and silence are essential for achieving full psychoactivity. Valdés writes "...if the experience becomes too terrifying, it can be readily terminated by saying a few words or producing a light." Dosages of at least 20 pairs of leaves are necessary for psychoactive effects (1). Although its traditional use is as a hallucinogen, the Mazatec shamans only use it when morning glory seeds and Psilocybe mushrooms are unavailable (20). The Mazatecs generally prepare fresh leaves for an infusion by crushing them in water. This apparently forms a microsuspension or emulsion of salvinorin A (and possibly other non-water-soluble psychotropic agents) (1). The dried leaves cannot be used in this manner, as drying changes the chemical composition of the leaves (19).
http://www.sagewisdom.org/rovinsky.html