Bush is No Conservative

[gotchA]

Pillaging the Treasury and the Constitution

Bush is No Conservative

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

President Bush passes himself off as a conservative Republican and a born-again Christian. These are disguises behind which Bush hides. Would a Christian invade another country on false pretenses, kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and show no remorse or inclination to cease the aggression?

Long-time Republican policy-wonk Bruce Bartlett recently published a book, Impostor, in which he proves that President Bush is no economic conservative, having broken all records in spending taxpayers' money and running up public debt.

Were Bush merely another big spender, his presidency wouldn't differ from other pork barrel administrations, but Bush's radicalism goes far beyond spending. Bush supports outsourcing American jobs, and he has taken an irreverent approach to the U.S. Constitution.

Bush bears no resemblance to a political conservative. A political conservative does not confuse government with country. Patriotism means loyalty to country. Bush, however, demands allegiance to his government: "You are with us or against us!" Critics of the Bush administration are branded "unpatriotic" and even "treasonous."

Loyalty to country means allegiance to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the separation of powers. It does not mean blind support for a president, an administration, or a political party.

The separation of powers and civil liberties that were bequeathed to us by the Founding Fathers are the protectors of our liberty. Bush, who swore on the Bible that he would defend and uphold the Constitution, has made it clear that he will not let the Constitution get in the way of expanding the powers of his office.

Bush has over-ridden a number of protections in the Bill of Rights. The right to assemble and to demonstrate has been infringed. The Secret Service now routinely removes protesters from the scene of Bush political events. Many unthinking Americans go along with this authoritarianism because they don't agree with the protesters, but once the right is lost, everyone loses it.

Bush has ignored habeas corpus and claims the unconstitutional power to arrest and detain people indefinitely without a warrant and without presenting charges to a judge. This is the most dangerous abuse of all, because whoever is in office can use this power against political opponents. Many unthinking Americans are not concerned, because they think this power will be used only against terrorists. However, as the Bush administration has admitted, many of its detainees are not terrorists. Most are innocent people kidnapped by tribal leaders and sold to the U.S. for the bounties paid for "terrorists."

Bush has refused to obey statutory law, specifically the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Bush claims that as commander-in-chief he has the right to ignore the law and to spy on Americans without a warrant. Many unthinking Americans are unconcerned, saying that as they are doing nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. This attitude misses the point in a large way. If a president can establish himself above one law, he can establish himself above all laws. There is no line drawn through the law that divides the laws between the ones the president must obey and the ones he need not obey.

FISA does not interfere with government spying for national security purposes. Secrecy is protected, because the court of federal judges that issues the warrants is secret. Moreover the law allows the government to spy first and then come to the court for a warrant. The purpose of the warrant is to be sure that the government is spying for legitimate purposes and not abusing the power to spy on political opponents for nefarious purposes.

When presidents sign a bill passed by Congress that they think might be interpreted in ways that could impinge on the powers of their office, they add a "signing statement" to protect traditional presidential powers. Under Bush this practice has exploded. Bush has used signing statements considerably in excess of all previous presidents combined. Moreover, Bush uses the statements not to protect president powers, but to nullify acts of Congress, such as Republican Senator John McCain's law against torture. Bush is using signing statements to turn the presidency into a dictatorship in which the executive is not accountable to laws passed by Congress. The next step is simply to announce that the executive is not accountable to elections either.

Bush's government is the first in our history in which there are no dissenting voices and no debate. Uniformity of opinion is more characteristic of a dictatorial government than a conservative one. Bush's government is all of one mind, because all important positions are held by neoconservatives.

Neoconservative is a deceptive term. It means "new conservatives," but there is nothing conservative about neocons. Neoconservatives believe in imposing their agenda on other countries--the antithesis of American conservatism.

In short, real conservatives believe in conserving the Constitution, government accountability, and civil liberties, and avoiding foreign entanglements. Judging by its behavior and its statements, the Bush administration stands completely outside the conservative tradition.

http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts03282006.html

[Psycho4Bud]

Pillaging the Treasury and the Constitution

Bush is No Conservative

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

President Bush passes himself off as a conservative Republican and a born-again Christian. These are disguises behind which Bush hides. Would a Christian invade another country on false pretenses, kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and show no remorse or inclination to cease the aggression?

I guess this dude never heard of the Crusades!

Long-time Republican policy-wonk Bruce Bartlett recently published a book, Impostor, in which he proves that President Bush is no economic conservative, having broken all records in spending taxpayers' money and running up public debt.

Two wars and how many natural disasters now? Not like he's funding child porn for the arts like some of the Dems have done.

Were Bush merely another big spender, his presidency wouldn't differ from other pork barrel administrations, but Bush's radicalism goes far beyond spending. Bush supports outsourcing American jobs, and he has taken an irreverent approach to the U.S. Constitution.

And his last Presidential opponents wife...Ms. Hienz has how many jobs outsourced?

Bush bears no resemblance to a political conservative. A political conservative does not confuse government with country. Patriotism means loyalty to country. Bush, however, demands allegiance to his government: "You are with us or against us!" Critics of the Bush administration are branded "unpatriotic" and even "treasonous."

Treasonous? Love to see the link on that one!

Loyalty to country means allegiance to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the separation of powers. It does not mean blind support for a president, an administration, or a political party.

The separation of powers and civil liberties that were bequeathed to us by the Founding Fathers are the protectors of our liberty. Bush, who swore on the Bible that he would defend and uphold the Constitution, has made it clear that he will not let the Constitution get in the way of expanding the powers of his office.

Bush has over-ridden a number of protections in the Bill of Rights. The right to assemble and to demonstrate has been infringed. The Secret Service now routinely removes protesters from the scene of Bush political events. Many unthinking Americans go along with this authoritarianism because they don't agree with the protesters, but once the right is lost, everyone loses it.

You mean like Sheehan wanting to roll out a protest banner during a State of the Nation address to congress?
Bush has ignored habeas corpus and claims the unconstitutional power to arrest and detain people indefinitely without a warrant and without presenting charges to a judge. This is the most dangerous abuse of all, because whoever is in office can use this power against political opponents. Many unthinking Americans are not concerned, because they think this power will be used only against terrorists. However, as the Bush administration has admitted, many of its detainees are not terrorists. Most are innocent people kidnapped by tribal leaders and sold to the U.S. for the bounties paid for "terrorists."

This applies to U.S. citizens....not Taliban!

Bush has refused to obey statutory law, specifically the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Bush claims that as commander-in-chief he has the right to ignore the law and to spy on Americans without a warrant. Many unthinking Americans are unconcerned, saying that as they are doing nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. This attitude misses the point in a large way. If a president can establish himself above one law, he can establish himself above all laws. There is no line drawn through the law that divides the laws between the ones the president must obey and the ones he need not obey.

Calls either coming in/or going to foriegn countries that are directed to terrorist links.....AWWWW, I suppose it's well within' their rights to plot some shit!

FISA does not interfere with government spying for national security purposes. Secrecy is protected, because the court of federal judges that issues the warrants is secret. Moreover the law allows the government to spy first and then come to the court for a warrant. The purpose of the warrant is to be sure that the government is spying for legitimate purposes and not abusing the power to spy on political opponents for nefarious purposes.

So there is a checks and balance to this.....just less people know of the initial to avoid leaks.

When presidents sign a bill passed by Congress that they think might be interpreted in ways that could impinge on the powers of their office, they add a "signing statement" to protect traditional presidential powers. Under Bush this practice has exploded. Bush has used signing statements considerably in excess of all previous presidents combined. Moreover, Bush uses the statements not to protect president powers, but to nullify acts of Congress, such as Republican Senator John McCain's law against torture. Bush is using signing statements to turn the presidency into a dictatorship in which the executive is not accountable to laws passed by Congress. The next step is simply to announce that the executive is not accountable to elections either.

Don't even get me started on the "torture" deal!!!
Bush's government is the first in our history in which there are no dissenting voices and no debate. Uniformity of opinion is more characteristic of a dictatorial government than a conservative one. Bush's government is all of one mind, because all important positions are held by neoconservatives.

No dissenting voices??? Somebody better inform members of congress and senate that they should be shutting thier pie holes!

Neoconservative is a deceptive term. It means "new conservatives," but there is nothing conservative about neocons. Neoconservatives believe in imposing their agenda on other countries--the antithesis of American conservatism.

In short, real conservatives believe in conserving the Constitution, government accountability, and civil liberties, and avoiding foreign entanglements. Judging by its behavior and its statements, the Bush administration stands completely outside the conservative tradition.

http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts03282006.html

If Bush isn't conservative, well, I guess Hillary Clinton is a beutiful lady too!:rolleyes:

This dude is a great jounalist....just a guess....works for pissplanet by chance?

[Great Spirit]

Pillaging the Treasury and the Constitution

Bush is No Conservative

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
President Bush passes himself off as a conservative Republican and a born-again Christian. These are disguises behind which Bush hides. Would a Christian invade another country on false pretenses, kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and show no remorse or inclination to cease the aggression?
Thats why Bush will use fundemental Christianity as his form of fascism to fool the Amerikan people. Fascism and religion go hand and hand as well. Remember the majority of Bush's supporters are the Bible Belt people who believe the end times are upon and are awaiting the 7 year reign of the anti-christ. BUT when you have Shiia Islam who belives in a 7 year reign of their Messiah, the 12th Imam...than the Christians will believe that the end times are upon us and that Iran's "messiah" will be the anti-christ. Bush claims he's a soldier of Christ and will attack Iran to keep people fooled. Remember fundemental Christians believe that Islam is Satan's religion. I would know because I was a fundementalist for awhile and know their ways inside and out. But I have evolved past this and can understand the purpose...but there are very few who can.

Bush and co. are laughing their asses off now knowing how so many people don't think for themselves...too caught up in life. They are smart...but far from wise. There is a big differance between knowledge (Dark) and wisdom (Light).

[Psycho4Bud]

But I have evolved past this and can understand the purpose...but there are very few who can.

Well oh wise one tell us, at your age have you found a way to move out of mommies house or hasn't God provided that yet? LOL

I would at least ask the Lord for a bedroom door!!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Well oh wise one tell us, at your age have you found a way to move out of mommies house or hasn't God provided that yet? LOL

I would at least ask the Lord for a bedroom door!!:thumbsup:Lol is that all you can do???!!! Your pitiful. Why won't you really debate me?? You only responded once to my Fascist Symbol in Amerika thread. I think I know why! *cough cough NSA cough cough* :dance:

Just be gentle with me when you break down my door to arrest me. Just dont shoot the dog. Even an NSA agent wouldnt have the heart to kill a beautiful animal. Also, your signature went from peaceful to threatening. Whys that?

[postmandave]

Well oh wise one tell us, at your age have you found a way to move out of mommies house or hasn't God provided that yet? LOL

I would at least ask the Lord for a bedroom door!!:thumbsup:



this is meant to be debate here lads, no need to throw insults at each other, mr phyco you should know better ,but in your defence i will say you were insulted badly yesterday lol. (slap on the back of the hand for you) BEHAVE!. the postman.
man came over all authorative there, made me shiver, lol.lol.

[Psycho4Bud]

this is meant to be debate here lads, no need to throw insults at each other, mr phyco you should know better ,but in your defence i will say you were insulted badly yesterday lol. (slap on the back of the hand for you) BEHAVE!. the postman.
man came over all authorative there, made me shiver, lol.lol.

He likes to refer to me as NSA out of an assumption so I just bring up the fact that he's a momma boy bitch......no problem here! And what is there to debate with this ass clown in the first place? Read over his post, the dudes a fruit loop!

I mean get fuckin' serious now!
Originally Posted by Great Spirit
But I have evolved past this and can understand the purpose...but there are very few who can.

Have a good one Postdude!:thumbsup:

[postmandave]

sorry mr phyco went in the zone there lol, the postman.

[Euphoric]

so I just bring up the fact that he's a momma boy bitch......

You defend Bush and his cronies, rag on the founding fathers and insult anyone against the flow of your mainstream media. Sounds to me like youre the one being led around to me :p
Actively supporting bush is a smack in the face to the cannabis culture. Why don't you spend your energy supporting something that will lead to drug policy reform? The republicans/conservatives are pushing the drug war harder than any one else! And youre on a cannabis board supporting your supressors, almost unconciously..then accusing others of being bitches? Its a contradiction and i thought i would point that out to everyone. :cool:

[mfactor420]

You defend Bush and his cronies, rag on the founding fathers and insult anyone against the flow of your mainstream media. Sounds to me like youre the one being led around to me :p
Actively supporting bush is a smack in the face to the cannabis culture. Why don't you spend your energy supporting something that will lead to drug policy reform? The republicans/conservatives are pushing the drug war harder than any one else! And youre on a cannabis board supporting your supressors, almost unconciously..then accusing others of being bitches? Its a contradiction and i thought i would point that out to everyone. :cool:

Touche!!!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

You defend Bush and his cronies, rag on the founding fathers and insult anyone against the flow of your mainstream media. Sounds to me like youre the one being led around to me :p

No, I just insult dumb fuckers that yell cop because of my beliefs.....or aren't people suppose to have and express different beliefs without fear of a "witchhunt", which by calling a person a cop with no type of proof is just that. Postman, Mfactor, eg.....all have different beliefs but they don't resort to this type of crap, and likewise, I don't with them.

Actively supporting bush is a smack in the face to the cannabis culture. Why don't you spend your energy supporting something that will lead to drug policy reform? The republicans/conservatives are pushing the drug war harder than any one else! And youre on a cannabis board supporting your supressors, almost unconciously..then accusing others of being bitches? Its a contradiction and i thought i would point that out to everyone. :cool:

For your info, the Dems created the largest increase to the "war on drugs" budget than ANY republican president. That is one part of a much larger political policy.....I'm still glad as hell that ol' Kerry didn't make it!

By the way, just got done sittin' a lil' jail time for growing and I've still got 170 hours of community service left. I sure the fuck don't blame it on the current president and I could really give a crap less of the party....it's an old law!

[Psycho4Bud]

"Actively supporting bush"........LOL.....just as often as I can!:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Hey its psycho's head:stoned: -------LMAO

[Euphoric]

HmMm well kerry was expected to give us some slack on the drug war

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/351/hempfest.shtml
http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?aid=4&bid=278


Nixon was a republican

Which presidency was responsible for the largest drug war spending increase?

[Psycho4Bud]

Drug Control Strategy: More $, more enforcement, more TV ads
I am pleased to formally release our National Drug Control Strategy. Itâ??s not a short-term plan designed to produce short-lived results; it is a comprehensive long-term strategy. It has more money for drug testing and treatment. It has better drug-law enforcement in our communities and better drug control on our borders. It has better anti-drug education for young people. Our plan is backed by the largest anti-drug budget ever-nearly $18 billion.....Al Gore
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Al_Gore_Drugs.htm

Neither one of our current "legitimate choices" for office has the balls to do whats right. The right had alchohal and tobacco saying no and the left is so fuckin' concerned for my health they don't want it either.

It'll be the same as it was for booze....when Canada eases up and theres no way to control the product from reaching us.
When enough people have had enough because either themselves or loved ones were fucked by the laws.
Maybe SOME paid off fat ass politition will get his pockets lined by a pro-marijuana group and laws will change.

[Myth1184]

Show me where US troops killed tens of thousands of Civilians....

[mfactor420]

....when Canada eases up and theres no way to control the product from reaching us.

Maybe SOME paid off fat ass politition will get his pockets lined by a pro-marijuana group and laws will change.

You honestly think Canada will ease up? Since the Conservatives got
elected (albiet a minority)?

If Marc Emery pumped so much of his seed money into the legalization movement, why didn't he buy the right politician instead as you are suggesting? Wouldn't that be avoiding the middle man?

And, pyscho, thanks for the comments earlier.:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

You honestly think Canada will ease up? Since the Conservatives got
elected (albiet a minority)?

Honestly don't know enough about Canadian politics to make a judgement.....just a hope I guess!

If Marc Emery pumped so much of his seed money into the legalization movement, why didn't he buy the right politician instead as you are suggesting? Wouldn't that be avoiding the middle man?

I meant that statement purely for the U.S. political system....palms that are greased work much quicker in our congress and senate it seems.

And, pyscho, thanks for the comments earlier.:thumbsup:

Hey, no prob! I'll sit down and party with anyone as far as that's concerned. What the hell, a good debate over bongs and drinks can be interesting. Call me what you want to a point but cop, molestor, rapist.....I don't fuckin' think so! There is a line of respect for everyone and that's mine!

Have a good one bro!:thumbsup:

[mfactor420]

Hey psycho, Many Canadians view PM Stephen Harper as Bushit's ass kisser. In the past a couple of Liberal MP's and a few other noted politicians trashed Busit rather harshly. (We have free speach up here too, just ask Don Cherry)

If Stephen Harper is Bushit's ass kisser, he will advance the war on drugs. He has already emphatically stated the Conservatives will not reintroduce the legalization bill the Liberals were trying to pass the last couple of years. Further, Harper has insisted that there be mandatory jail time even for smoking a joint.

Canada Mexico and USA are about to meet or just met about a number of cross border issues and Canada's prime topic is soft wood lumber. USA will probably respond with, "give us Marc Emery".

Canadian politics is no different when it comes to greasing palms. Here it's called "patronage". Anyway, as you stated, it still leaves me wondering why Marc Emery didn't grease a few American politician's palms. Maybe he did and there is a conspiracy to cover it up.:D