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xblackdogx
03-28-2006, 09:48 PM
More Remains Discovered Near WTC Site 3/28/06 (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/28/wtc.remains.ap/index.html)

-"Fire Department crews had inspected the building in the months following the attacks, but construction workers clearing gravel off the rooftop found 10 bone fragments there last fall."

-and it was a "fire" that caused them to collapse? bones shattered by ferocious flames and launched to the building's adjacent? No. What deformed humans, and launched bones was indeed explosives.

JSTA
03-28-2006, 11:01 PM
whoopie

BobBong
03-28-2006, 11:22 PM
-and it was a "fire" that caused them to collapse? bones shattered by ferocious flames and launched to the building's adjacent? No. What deformed humans, and launched bones was indeed explosives.

let's see you get nailed with a jet aircraft and keep all your bones...

this isn't really anything new... i mean.. people knew the day it happened that the destruction of those buildings was not what they said it was...you think the buildings would've created more rubble, more damage to the surrounding buildings.... infact.. based on the force, you'd think that when the building collapsed it'd collapse at the weakest point.. causing it to fall over.. rather than into itself..
...

Only the years to come will reveal the disgusting lies and deceit that we've been force fed and beat senseless with for the last 5 years.

del...
03-28-2006, 11:48 PM
and maybe rats hauled off a few goodies to stash for later...

mrdevious
03-28-2006, 11:51 PM
So the claim is that a fire brought the buildings down, when in fact it was a sinister explosion. I wonder if, oh, say, a plane full of jet fuel could explode?

Psycho4Bud
03-28-2006, 11:51 PM
and maybe rats hauled off a few goodies to stash for later...

I'll bet the rats were paid by the C.I.A. to take the bones!:stoned:

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 12:28 AM
So the claim is that a fire brought the buildings down, when in fact it was a sinister explosion. I wonder if, oh, say, a plane full of jet fuel could explode?
If it was possible for that type of explosion to make the towers collapse i would accept your theory. Fact is only three buildings EVER collapsed due to fires, mysteriously all the same day: 9/11.

graph
03-29-2006, 12:32 AM
If it was possible for that type of explosion to make the towers collapse i would accept your theory. Fact is only three buildings EVER collapsed due to fires, mysteriously all the same day: 9/11.
And all three buildings imploded, not exploded. Exploding would make more sense, but it didn't happen. There must have been explosions from the bottom, plus the fact that all walls of the buildig were "pulled" toward the center. Personally, I think the conspiracy theory is saying that memebers of a terrorist organization rammed planes into it. Seems more believable it was planned out by a more powerful organization.

Funkamander
03-29-2006, 12:45 AM
Yo dude, it wasn't just some punk starting a fire in the bathroom garbage can.

IT WAS A FUCKING AIRPLANE CRASHING INTO A TOWER! Maybe, just, MAYBE, that changes the integrity of the structure. Maybe it could even, oh, I don't know, fall down if, oh, I don't know, an airplane's FULL fuel tank caught on fire.

And shit! Is is really that weird that we got attacked? I mean, fuck, we're AMERICA! I don't even have to elaborate. You know exactly what I mean.

Psycho4Bud
03-29-2006, 12:45 AM
It was an open floor design using trusses as flooring supports. When the trusses collapsed due to the heat it pulled in the building like an implosion.

Swizzy89304
03-29-2006, 12:47 AM
The government will only tell us the truth in 100 or so years, when were all dead. No-one will give a rats ass about it then. Mind you, WW3 woulda taken care of everyone by then...

Funkamander
03-29-2006, 12:48 AM
I refuse to believe it. It doesn't blame the government and my stupid-ass liberal mind can't accept that.

Tmar.aLL.DaYmar
03-29-2006, 12:50 AM
More Remains Discovered Near WTC Site 3/28/06 (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/28/wtc.remains.ap/index.html)

-"Fire Department crews had inspected the building in the months following the attacks, but construction workers clearing gravel off the rooftop found 10 bone fragments there last fall."

-and it was a "fire" that caused them to collapse? bones shattered by ferocious flames and launched to the building's adjacent? No. What deformed humans, and launched bones was indeed explosives.

Dude i beleive that 9/11 was staged too.. but this article doesnt prove anything.

Psycho4Bud
03-29-2006, 01:01 AM
If this were all "staged", imagine how outraged the entire Moslum world would be at such an accusation. Ya know, it's not as if they love us anyways!

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 01:15 AM
Dude i beleive that 9/11 was staged too.. but this article doesnt prove anything.

ehh, it does say something about the Gov'ts story... 4-5 years later they find this!... the reason i use this example is because its a recent story, and not from some 9/11 conspiracy site


Yo dude, it wasn't just some punk starting a fire in the bathroom garbage can.

IT WAS A FUCKING AIRPLANE CRASHING INTO A TOWER! Maybe, just, MAYBE, that changes the integrity of the structure. Maybe it could even, oh, I don't know, fall down if, oh, I don't know, an airplane's FULL fuel tank caught on fire.

And shit! Is is really that weird that we got attacked? I mean, fuck, we're AMERICA! I don't even have to elaborate. You know exactly what I mean.

I am not trying to tell you what to believe about this incident, but the government is. The only thing i can say for you is research some things, learn about the melting point of steel and the burning temperature of a "FULL fuel tank" and then tell me truthfully you believe it.

Yous
03-29-2006, 01:21 AM
If this were all "staged", imagine how outraged the entire Moslum world would be at such an accusation. Ya know, it's not as if they love us anyways!

Spell muslim right. What you protray of muslims is what you see in the media, the media shows a minority, the media is also controlled. Muslims are peace lovers, the minority of extremists brings shame to their name.

Why does bush want to bomb the rest of al-jazeera?? Because that channel isn't controlled by the government. They show what the government doesnt want the public to see.

Every so often the government tells the media to broadcast a high alert message so that the public stays in that sense of fear, so they can mould the publics decisions (example: using 9/11 as a means of war with afghanistan/iraq). This is the new WORLD ORDER wether you like it or not.

To see something that will make you think about 9/11 go here

http://www.wtc7.net/

This building that was never hit by any plane collapsed because of fire, also the collapse was such a level collapse dont u think?? allmost controlled....

Yous
03-29-2006, 01:28 AM
Furthermore the US air force usually encloses on any plane off course within minutes, these hijacked plane were off-course for about 30 minutes, where was the airforce??

On the same day the vice president had pilot simulators/training programmes running so the airforce were not able to attend to the hijacked planes.... How coincedental

Psycho4Bud
03-29-2006, 01:31 AM
Spell muslim right.

Sorry...been a loooong day!

What you protray of muslims is what you see in the media, the media shows a minority, the media is also controlled. Muslims are peace lovers, the minority of extremists brings shame to their name.
I agree with ya, the majority are peace lovin' people. Which all the more proves my point about what outrage they would feel.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Yous
03-29-2006, 01:44 AM
i h8 talking about this fukin fukd up world.... i need some greeeeeen. fukk all i got left is ciggies......

Oneironaut
03-29-2006, 01:50 AM
I have to say, I used to believe that stuff. I used to think the whole 9/11 thing was staged by our own government. It just had to be. I mean, no steel buildings had ever collapsed due to fire, right?

But now that I've really looked into the whole thing, examined both sides of the story and weighed the evidence carefully, I found that I was mistaken. As evil as I think Bush and his administration is, I just can't find any good evidence that they were behind 9/11. And it turns out that hardly any of the conspiracy theorists can agree on just what the hell went on. Some people say a missile hit the Pentagon, some say it was a military drone, some say it was a remote control plane, some say it was the plane the government says it was. If it was so obvious that this was faked, wouldn't the evidence point to the same conclusions for independently working researchers?

The WTC fires were different from fires in steel structures in prior incidents. Never before had somebody crashed jets into skyscrapers like that. Nearly full tanks of jet fuel were emptied into several floors of office equipment and set on fire. And don't forget that the structures, as you may expect, were severely damaged by the gaping holes punched into the buildings by the planes. Is it so unbelievable to think that a section might weaken and collapse, and then the weight of the top of the building would cause the destruction of the building below?

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 01:55 AM
If it was so obvious that this was faked, wouldn't the evidence point to the same conclusions for independently working researchers?

if they actually released the tapes from Pentagon there would be a clear conclusion; only 1 tape has ever been released.

Psycho4Bud
03-29-2006, 02:01 AM
I have to say, I used to believe that stuff. I used to think the whole 9/11 thing was staged by our own government. It just had to be. I mean, no steel buildings had ever collapsed due to fire, right?

But now that I've really looked into the whole thing, examined both sides of the story and weighed the evidence carefully, I found that I was mistaken. As evil as I think Bush and his administration is, I just can't find any good evidence that they were behind 9/11. And it turns out that hardly any of the conspiracy theorists can agree on just what the hell went on. Some people say a missile hit the Pentagon, some say it was a military drone, some say it was a remote control plane, some say it was the plane the government says it was. If it was so obvious that this was faked, wouldn't the evidence point to the same conclusions for independently working researchers?

The WTC fires were different from fires in steel structures in prior incidents. Never before had somebody crashed jets into skyscrapers like that. Nearly full tanks of jet fuel were emptied into several floors of office equipment and set on fire. And don't forget that the structures, as you may expect, were severely damaged by the gaping holes punched into the buildings by the planes. Is it so unbelievable to think that a section might weaken and collapse, and then the weight of the top of the building would cause the destruction of the building below?

Welcome to the wonderful world of the neo-cons. LOL

Oneironaut
03-29-2006, 02:06 AM
I'm not a neo-con and I never will be. But I'm not going to accuse my enemies of things if I don't have hard evidence that they actually did it.

Psycho4Bud
03-29-2006, 02:28 AM
I'm not a neo-con and I never will be. But I'm not going to accuse my enemies of things if I don't have hard evidence that they actually did it.

LOL....exactly....innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt!:thumbsup:

higher4hockey
03-29-2006, 02:37 AM
So the claim is that a fire brought the buildings down, when in fact it was a sinister explosion. I wonder if, oh, say, a plane full of jet fuel could explode?

:D :D

Gumby
03-29-2006, 02:46 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2131531274920076160&q=9%2F11

http://filmstripinternational.com/filmstrips.php?filmstrip=jones2

http://groups.myspace.com/911truth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

just watch them... they are a little long, but just take the time and watch them

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 03:07 AM
http://total911.info/zacmstun.wmv
this is crazy, I don't believe his testimony then [case is going on now]... and for those of you who don't know this guy, Moussaoui would have been the "20th hijacker", but US caught him in Aug 2001. BTW other detainees such as the financial advisor for al-Queda have said under oath that Moussaoui was unintelligent, and untrustworthy along with being annoying

eg420ne
03-29-2006, 03:10 AM
Well i looked at both sides and am convinced 150% that it was staged by a rogue element of OUR government, maybe Bushitter didnt know anything(I doubt it)but they had this planned, ever read the Operation Northwoods doc, or better yet, read the PNAC plan, it tells everything from having a New Pearl Harbor attack to get the people behind a war, and even talks about Iraq. and the same people who created the PNAC, are the same ones that are in control of the WhiteHouse...

eg420ne
03-29-2006, 03:17 AM
http://total911.info/zacmstun.wmv
this is crazy, I don't believe his testimony then [case is going on now]... and for those of you who don't know this guy, Moussaoui would have been the "20th hijacker", but US caught him in Aug 2001. BTW other detainees such as the financial advisor for al-Queda have said under oath that Moussaoui was unintelligent, and untrustworthy along with being annoying
Well Al CIA duh said that moussaoui was inept so they cut him out- plus no telling what kind of torture they used-check out this video saying moussaoui may have been wearing a stunbelt http://www.total411.info/

StashDaCash
03-29-2006, 03:33 AM
Few points to make ....First with the amount of fuel those planes have that fire burned hot and burned for a long time...Second skyscrapers are designed to collapse in on themselves

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 03:42 AM
Well Al CIA duh said that moussaoui was inept so they cut him out- plus no telling what kind of torture they used-check out this video saying moussaoui may have been wearing a stunbelt http://www.total411.info/
the video your directing me to is the one i posted :confused:


Few points to make ....First with the amount of fuel those planes have that fire burned hot and burned for a long time...Second skyscrapers are designed to collapse in on themselves

They each burned for less than an hour and a half!... jet fuel burns at a maximum of 2000 deg, while it takes around 3000 to melt steel. Even if the skyscrapers are designed to collapse on themselves, they didnt not "fall" - proof= the time it took for them to fall, i believe it is around 8 seconds, thats freefall time [there has been a study on it]

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Smokey McPot
03-29-2006, 03:43 AM
Those where 747 planes. Ive flown on a few in my life and if you saw the size of these mo fos you could see how they caused destruction. Plus the camel jockies planned it so they jacked 747s with tanks full of gas.

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 04:22 AM
And all three buildings imploded, not exploded. Exploding would make more sense, but it didn't happen. There must have been explosions from the bottom, plus the fact that all walls of the buildig were "pulled" toward the center. Personally, I think the conspiracy theory is saying that memebers of a terrorist organization rammed planes into it. Seems more believable it was planned out by a more powerful organization.

i agree.

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 04:24 AM
Moussaoui has mad holes in his story. he said his partner was supposed to be richard reid(the shoe bomber) but he was in europe at the time. i think we may have a patsy or a loose end on our hands.

Pete Rock
03-29-2006, 04:52 AM
So what about all the deaths that occured that day? I find it hard to believe that the government would stage something that would cause so many deaths of innocent people.

soxsuk6432
03-29-2006, 04:58 AM
I agree with ya, the majority are peace lovin' people. Which all the more proves my point about what outrage they would feel.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:
Yes most of them are usually [eace loving people but with those comic strips a while back they were extremely violent. It's the Shiites(sp) who are the extremists the peacful ones are the Sunnis.

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 05:04 AM
No offense to all you conspiracy dumb asses but unless you have a degree in physics then shut the fuck up because you dont know ANYTHING.

1. Imagine how much that building weighed, and imagine all that weight being dropped thousands of feet, if that hit a person it could very well have sent a few projectile bones flying out of one of the windows, just think about it....its not even that unlikely

2. The buildings should have fallen over instead of collapsed? You sir are on some bad drugs that have completely scrambled your brains.

3. A HUGE PIECE OF ALMOST SOLID METAL FILLED WITH A HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE LIQUID SLAMS INTO A BUILDING WITH A FEW STEEL SUPPORTS THAT WERE HOLDNG UP HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CONCRETE AND DESK JOCKIES, is it safe to say that there is no possible way for something like that EVER to fall down, maybe you should get a grip on reality moron, think about how buildings start, first off a bunch of contractors make bids to build it and the lowest one gets it, the only way this contractor can provide a lower price than his competitors is to sacrifice material quality, worker wage etc which means that at least a few corners were cut during the the construction durrrrrrrrrrr.

4. I was gonna explain the implosion thing, but Phsycho4Bud did a nice job of making some of you look like asses (thanks for being way ahead of me) why would the building explode because a plane hit it? thats just stupid there was AN explosion WHEN the plane hit it, because a plane moves very fast and to do this it burns something called JETFUEL!!!!!!!! or kerosene that might just be combustible.

and im too fucking tired to finish explaining to all you dolts the simplicity of the situation because im all whacked out on percocets

Im not asking you to believe in something blindly im just telling you that the facts are there and if you ignore them then its you're own damn fault for being a retard (and looking like one)

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 05:12 AM
the video your directing me to is the one i posted :confused:



They each burned for less than an hour and a half!... jet fuel burns at a maximum of 2000 deg, while it takes around 3000 to melt steel. Even if the skyscrapers are designed to collapse on themselves, they didnt not "fall" - proof= the time it took for them to fall, i believe it is around 8 seconds, thats freefall time [there has been a study on it]

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You spout out misinformation that you hear and automatically believe it to be true, jet fuel DOES burn at 2k degrees and it does take roughly 3k degrees to melt steel BUT if you werent a pathetic moron you would know that if you contain a heat source it will continue to rise

think about an oven, just a simple household oven, if you can even muster that much brain power. Now the oven heats up to set temp, then does the flame thats heating it just stay on? No but yet the oven remains at a constant temp...so what happens when you keep adding fire in that contained space in the oven? it will get hotter and hotter even if the natural gas has a max temp of 500 degrees you can still heat the oven to much hotter than that. the same SIMPLE effect could have happened in the WTC towers, what happens when you get an entire level of a building thats still almost entirely sealed off and fill it with jet fuel and spark it up??? huh i wonder :cool:



any other questions?

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 05:17 AM
You spout out misinformation that you hear and automatically believe it to be true, jet fuel DOES burn at 2k degrees and it does take roughly 3k degrees to melt steel BUT if you werent a pathetic moron you would know that if you contain a heat source it will continue to rise

think about an oven, just a simple household oven, if you can even muster that much brain power. Now the oven heats up to set temp, then does the flame thats heating it just stay on? No but yet the oven remains at a constant temp...so what happens when you keep adding fire in that contained space in the oven? it will get hotter and hotter even if the natural gas has a max temp of 500 degrees you can still heat the oven to much hotter than that. the same SIMPLE effect could have happened in the WTC towers, what happens when you get an entire level of a building thats still almost entirely sealed off and fill it with jet fuel and spark it up??? huh i wonder :cool:



any other questions?
i'm sorry, i should have stated, jet fuel can burn at a MAXIMUM of 2000 deg... and i have no degree in science... but search 9/11 scholars, they have researched everything we are talking about. do you discredit their degrees?
http://911review.org/ScholarsforTruthabout911/
please entertain yourself with the articles written by PHD holders

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 05:18 AM
No offense to all you conspiracy dumb asses but unless you have a degree in physics then shut the fuck up because you dont know ANYTHING.


give me a chuffin break. why do you think you are right and everyone else is wrong? noone is certain what happened that day but evidence and unanswered questions point to inside job.

eg420ne
03-29-2006, 05:25 AM
the video your directing me to is the one i posted :confused:



My bad- I saw it, but thought it merit more attention..

The most of the fuel from the planes burnt up on impact, every1 one saw that big ball of fire rolling out of the towers, and afterward, people were seen standing at the same spot the plane had hit...and if thats the case that jet fuel brought down the towers why did the south tower go down first and not the north tower that was hit first...

We are told that WTC 7 collapsed through fire, yet Larry Silverstein says the building was "pulled" (i.e. demolished). Videos of the collapse and other evidence shows that the building was indeed demolished. When and why was this building rigged for demolition?
Larry Silverstein, WTC 7,
and the 9/11 Demolition
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html

Oneironaut
03-29-2006, 05:28 AM
i'm sorry, i should have stated, jet fuel can burn at a MAXIMUM of 2000 deg... and i have no degree in science... but search 9/11 scholars, they have researched everything we are talking about. do you discredit their degrees?
http://911review.org/ScholarsforTruthabout911/
please entertain yourself with the articles written by PHD holders

Don't take anything someone says at face value just because they have a PhD. A lot of people with PhDs (you'd be surprised) have no idea what they're talking about. Just because someone has an education doesn't mean they're immune to believing really wacky things. In fact, sometimes it makes them more vulnerable to such things because they're smart enough to piece together a complex, scientific-sounding, convincing theory.

It so happens that PhD-holders often disagree about things, this being one of them. I'm not surprised you can find people with PhDs who agree with you, since you can find a few PhDs who believe in almost any idea...these people are human after all. However, you have to realize that most of them won't agree with you because the evidence just isn't there.

Breukelen advocaat
03-29-2006, 05:41 AM
Few points to make ....First with the amount of fuel those planes have that fire burned hot and burned for a long time...Second skyscrapers are designed to collapse in on themselves


I was close to the WTC area on the morning of 9/11 - on the corner of Broadway and Rector Street, between Trinity Church and the Bank of New York.
Before the the buildings fell, an architect that I met on the subway going home told me exactly what was going to happen: that the WTCâ??s I and II were built to collapse straight down in the event of a disaster on the upper floors. This is exactly what happened when I arrived home and turned on the TV.

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 05:45 AM
Don't take anything someone says at face value just because they have a PhD. A lot of people with PhDs (you'd be surprised) have no idea what they're talking about. Just because someone has an education doesn't mean they're immune to believing really wacky things. In fact, sometimes it makes them more vulnerable to such things because they're smart enough to piece together a complex, scientific-sounding, convincing theory.

It so happens that PhD-holders often disagree about things, this being one of them. I'm not surprised you can find people with PhDs who agree with you, since you can find a few PhDs who believe in almost any idea...these people are human after all. However, you have to realize that most of them won't agree with you because the evidence just isn't there.

are you looking at the world with stevie wonder's glasses on? I'm not saying that b/c they have a PHD their theory is correct. What I want you to connect with is that if a person with a PHD in Physics tell you it is impossible for a building to collapse in the amount of time it did, with no outside force other than the "melting steel", than it's something you should take into strong consideration. and how is the evidence not there?; how much about 9/11 have you read?

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 05:47 AM
I was close to the WTC area on the morning of 9/11 - on the corner of Broadway and Rector Street, between Trinity Church and the Bank of New York.
Before the the buildings fell, an architect that I met on the subway going home told me exactly what was going to happen: that the WTCâ??s I and II were built to collapse straight down in the event of a disaster on the upper floors. This is exactly what happened when I arrived home and turned on the TV.
Was it the architect that designed the WTC... why dont you look up the testimony that he claimed after building the world trade center... i believe it is somewhere very close to the following: the buildings (wtc) are designed so that if a plane crashed into it, it would be as if you took a pen and stuck it through a mosquito net - [look it up]

Breukelen advocaat
03-29-2006, 05:49 AM
are you looking at the world with stevie wonder's glasses on? I'm not saying that b/c they have a PHD their theory is correct. What I want you to connect with is that if a person with a PHD in Physics tell you it is impossible for a building to collapse in the amount of time it did, with no outside force other than the "melting steel", than it's something you should take into strong consideration. and how is the evidence not there?; how much about 9/11 have you read?

Was it the architect that designed the WTC... why dont you look up the testimony that he claimed after building the world trade center... i believe it is somewhere very close to the following: the buildings (wtc) are designed so that if a plane crashed into it, it would be as if you took a pen and stuck it through a mosquito net - [look it up]


Read my posting, above. You can "read" as much as you want by people that were not down there, but I was (there), the man (an architect) predicted what would happen, and he was right.

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 05:49 AM
brainwashed....

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 05:51 AM
Read my posting, above. You can "read" as much as you want, but I was there, the man predicted what would happen, and he was right.
i believe i read you post above, as i f'n quoted you... my point is... how did the architecture know the design and layout of the buildings.. the main center pillar, the support beams... i think you should do the reading
-and i meant was it as a sarcastic ? (asking you if it was the architect that designed it) - if that was the confusion

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 05:53 AM
Ive watched all the vids about 9/11 and i still think they collapsed because they were hit by a jet airliner full of fuel, its not like im taking some leap of faith and believing in something thats impossible.

Show me where it says that combusting jet fuel in an enclosed space can only reach a MAXIMUM of 2k degrees NO MATTER WHAT, it only has to go 33% above that and the integrity is compromised, also if a steel support beam is heated to 66% of its limit then dont you think the integrity and stability of that steel might just be a TINY BIT weakened? No thats impossible because no matter what steel stays super hard up to 2999 degrees right???? oh sure you make so much sense.

Oneironaut
03-29-2006, 05:57 AM
are you looking at the world with stevie wonder's glasses on? I'm not saying that b/c they have a PHD their theory is correct. What I want you to connect with is that if a person with a PHD in Physics tell you it is impossible for a building to collapse in the amount of time it did, with no outside force other than the "melting steel", than it's something you should take into strong consideration. and how is the evidence not there?; how much about 9/11 have you read?
And I'm saying, you should also take into consideration that the vast majority of PhD holding physicists who have studied this say it is possible. I have read a lot about 9/11. I used to be a believer in the conspiracy theory myself and did quite a bit of reading and watching of videos. But then I decided to step outside the box and actually look at the other side. And it actually made sense. Let me ask you, how much time have you spent reading stuff by the majority of scientists who don't endorse the conspiracy theory?

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 05:58 AM
put the towers to the side for a moment. lets talk about the pentagon. 747 my ass...

Rizzle
03-29-2006, 06:00 AM
DUDE ARE YOU SERIOUS :confused: IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK fuckin deal with it, quit making an ass out of yourself.:rasta:

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 06:01 AM
the pentagon was a little suspicious i admit.

Breukelen advocaat
03-29-2006, 06:01 AM
i believe i read you post above, as i f'n quoted you... my point is... how did the architecture know the design and layout of the buildings.. the main center pillar, the support beams... i think you should do the reading
-and i meant was it as a sarcastic ? (asking you if it was the architect that designed it) - if that was the confusion

I don't know "how" he knew, but this isn't some podunk town with second-rate "professionals" - he was obviously very well-educated and experienced.

A physics person is not as qualified in these subjects, unless they've studied advanced architecture and engineering, as an architect - especially one that is very involved with skyscrapers in New York - as he probably was.

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 06:04 AM
DUDE ARE YOU SERIOUS :confused: IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK fuckin deal with it, quit making an ass out of yourself.:rasta:

please leave the thread with that fuckin ignorance.

soxsuk6432
03-29-2006, 06:04 AM
You spout out misinformation that you hear and automatically believe it to be true, jet fuel DOES burn at 2k degrees and it does take roughly 3k degrees to melt steel BUT if you werent a pathetic moron you would know that if you contain a heat source it will continue to rise

think about an oven, just a simple household oven, if you can even muster that much brain power. Now the oven heats up to set temp, then does the flame thats heating it just stay on? No but yet the oven remains at a constant temp...so what happens when you keep adding fire in that contained space in the oven? it will get hotter and hotter even if the natural gas has a max temp of 500 degrees you can still heat the oven to much hotter than that. the same SIMPLE effect could have happened in the WTC towers, what happens when you get an entire level of a building thats still almost entirely sealed off and fill it with jet fuel and spark it up??? huh i wonder :cool:



any other questions?
Seroiusly dude. People can say anything on the internet. Do you believe the drug sites. Of course not. How do you know that these sites are true. I don't think our government blew them up for oil like a bunch of you people think.

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 06:08 AM
i didnt want to fuel your fire with what you would call a biased unreliable source. this may be classified as that as well, but it has some scientific equations to support the theory... you're welcome for me showing you the light
http://hawaii.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/3248_comment.php

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 06:10 AM
i dont believe anything on the net, i believe what i read in my books what i have EXPERIENCED in this thing we call.....hmmm what is it now..............oh yeah!......REAL LIFE!

All the stuff I say on here is what i know to be true.

Why do you have to make a complex situation outta something that already has a very reasonable explaination, the United States of Corruption and Greed has a horrible foreign policy, we've made PLENTY of enemies in the world and one of them decided to get a little retribution, its that simple. 9/11 WAS the governments fault, it was directly caused by our govt, BUT they didnt blow it up themselves because thats retarded, they provoked it.

eg420ne
03-29-2006, 06:10 AM
You know the best part about this government conspiracy story is that USAma from a cave in Afghanistan, had the power to make NORAD stand down, and even told Mayor Willie Brown and other government official not to fly on 911

And why Bush lie about not knowing there was an imminent attack on U.S. and why did Bush hinder a congressional investigation into 911, and why wont he allow an independent investigation into 911.

How did USAma know about the WarGames that took place on 911...Why was Bin-laden famliy allow to leave when no1 else could. and why was Mahmud Ahmad, the Pakistani intelligence chief, the guy who wired mohamned Atta 100,000 dollars, was in washington DC on 911 having a meeting with now head of CIA Porter Goss

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 06:12 AM
And I'm saying, you should also take into consideration that the vast majority of PhD holding physicists who have studied this say it is possible. I have read a lot about 9/11. I used to be a believer in the conspiracy theory myself and did quite a bit of reading and watching of videos. But then I decided to step outside the box and actually look at the other side. And it actually made sense. Let me ask you, how much time have you spent reading stuff by the majority of scientists who don't endorse the conspiracy theory?
i will admit i have not read much.. but i thoroughly read the 9/11 commission report to draw my own conclusions from it. please send me links of any PHD people that support the gov'ts theory, but let me tell you this... in popular mechanics they had a special on breaking the theorys of 9/11, come to find out the editor for that newspaper is none other than Michael Chertoff's close relative, not to mention it is owned by HEARST INC. ... and this info is shown on their website

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 06:15 AM
Seroiusly dude. People can say anything on the internet. Do you believe the drug sites. Of course not. How do you know that these sites are true. I don't think our government blew them up for oil like a bunch of you people think.

maybe it wasnt oil after all, maybe it was something else...

personally i dont really think it was about oil. i think it was to get the ball rolling on homeland security. to give them a reason to invade everyones privacy and install cameras everywhere...

eg420ne
03-29-2006, 06:17 AM
Yes the Pentagon plane crash is full of shitholes...like where them massive titanium engines go, did everything fit into the lil hole----

eg420ne
03-29-2006, 06:26 AM
Read the PNAC plan it tell you all about there plan or at least what they want you to know

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 06:26 AM
also where is the footage from the pentagon security camera, the hotel roof camera, the gas station camera and the intersection traffic cam? where was the wreckage? why were some of the windows still intact? how can a 747 fly at 500mph 2 feet above the ground? questions, questions....

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 06:37 AM
Because terrorist pilots go through a rigorous 2 hour training video on how to fly before they hijacked those planes. Oh and the rules of universe dont apply anymore the the US of Assholes

mfactor420
03-29-2006, 06:39 AM
Those where 747 planes. Ive flown on a few in my life and if you saw the size of these mo fos you could see how they caused destruction. Plus the camel jockies planned it so they jacked 747s with tanks full of gas.

No wonder no one can figure out what happened. Here's someone who thinks the planes were 747's when in fact they were 757's and there is a big difference, never mind that it proves the point that the real story may never be known because no one has a clue what's going on anyway. :confused:

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 06:39 AM
and most importantly where the fuck were the bodies??!!

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 06:41 AM
and the office furniture, and uhh how about the steel itself?, oh yeah fires turned it all to dust...

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 06:44 AM
all one has to do is look at the pentagon attack to know it was an inside job. the towers have too much controversy surrounding them. the pentagon attack was easier to see that something fishy was going on. i see that a lot people are focused on the towers instead of the pentagon. why?

DazedNblazed
03-29-2006, 06:45 AM
what about all the firefighters that rescued people out of the twin towers i bet they just pretended to die and there familys pretended to be sad, get a fucking clue why would they do that to go to iraq for there oil fuck that we could just go over and take there oil if we wanted too you say we are brainwashed by the governmant but you all are brainwashed to belive we are being brainwashed.

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 06:52 AM
nobody is brainwashed, you moron, you are all way to fucking paranoid however, things are pretty crazy in the real world but i dont think it gets THAT insane where thousands and thousand of people must have witnessed something that is entirely impossible......

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 06:53 AM
you're an idiot. noone said they pretended to die. we all feel bad for them but why did it happen in the first place? you are so niave. do you honestly think the u.s. could have gone over there and just taken their oil? if the public caught wind of that there would be an uproar cuz if some shit popped off due to the u.s. tryin to take over their oil, people would be furious. you keep sayin why would the u.s. do that, why the fuck not. to them we're all expendable. you are the one that should get a clue...

DazedNblazed
03-29-2006, 06:54 AM
nobody is brainwashed, you moron, you are all way to fucking paranoid however, things are pretty crazy in the real world but i dont think it gets THAT insane where thousands and thousand of people must have witnessed something that is entirely impossible......


your calling me a moron idk if you read my post right.

DazedNblazed
03-29-2006, 06:56 AM
you're an idiot. noone said they pretended to die. we all feel bad for them but why did it happen in the first place? you are so niave. do you honestly think the u.s. could have gone over there and just taken their oil? if the public caught wind of that there would be an uproar cuz if some shit popped off due to the u.s. tryin to take over their oil, people would be furious. you keep sayin why would the u.s. do that, why the fuck not. to them we're all expendable. you are the one that should get a clue...


im naive thats funny, you honestly think the governmant is in on some big conspiracy and theyd kill there own americans in some staged terrosit attacks dude the governmant is fucked up but they arent that twisted. and and we wouldnt go over there and take there oil? what do you call desert storm america sprung at the first sign of a conflict over there and when iraq invaded kuwait that was there cue, we went over there and barley anyone died the military was to busy cleaning up"oil spills".

mfactor420
03-29-2006, 06:57 AM
......we could just go over and take there oil if we wanted too..........

Isn't that what the Americans are doing???:confused:

mfactor420
03-29-2006, 07:00 AM
........you honestly think the governmant is in on some big conspiracy and theyd kill there own americans in some staged terrosit attacks ............

Yup:thumbsup:

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 07:01 AM
im naive thats funny, you honestly think the governmant is in on some big conspiracy and theyd kill there own americans in some staged terrosit attacks dude the governmant is fucked up but they arent that twisted.

they have been doing it for years. you think they're gonna stop? how convenient the fbi found one of the alleged hijackers passports after it hit the tower. wow thats incredible how it survived, its definitely not staged. gimme a fuckin break...

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 07:10 AM
what about all the firefighters that rescued people out of the twin towers i bet they just pretended to die and there familys pretended to be sad, get a fucking clue why would they do that to go to iraq for there oil fuck that we could just go over and take there oil if we wanted too you say we are brainwashed by the governmant but you all are brainwashed to belive we are being brainwashed.
if you think i am brainwashed... read The Project for the New American Century
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
-you wanna see how brainwashed the people in gov't are... read the part about what they want to do in cyberspace... they want to put weapons in space! also note how they say all these plans for rebuilding america's defense is not possible without a new pearl harbor
signed by Donald Rumsfeld himself, along with other top leaders

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 07:13 AM
star wars program...

God v2.0
03-29-2006, 07:13 AM
you're an idiot. noone said they pretended to die. we all feel bad for them but why did it happen in the first place? you are so niave. do you honestly think the u.s. could have gone over there and just taken their oil? if the public caught wind of that there would be an uproar cuz if some shit popped off due to the u.s. tryin to take over their oil, people would be furious. you keep sayin why would the u.s. do that, why the fuck not. to them we're all expendable. you are the one that should get a clue...

I bet you also think the govt controls TV media and hides stuff thats going on in the middle east etc right?

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 07:19 AM
oh i see, im the nut, crazy, etc..., says the man claiming to be god.

they do control the media, they have ties. plenty of info out there, go look, im not going to be arsed to post any links cuz it will be pointless, all you will try to do is debunk it. so i shall not waste my time.

graph
03-29-2006, 07:24 AM
Big Business rules the world.

The tobacco industry, Haliburton, the medical industry, and the Bush family refineries in Texas.

Now here's the kicker: who would benefit most from a reconstruction effort and millions upon millions of dollars worth of crude oil?

It's easier to just deal with it when you understand there is no government, just Big Business, who only cares about shoving more and more money down its engorged mouth.

You learn to live with it.

king kong bong
03-29-2006, 07:28 AM
true cuz people in the business world sooner or later get positions in the govt. i remember one dude on bushs staff worked for fuckin kellogs. fuckin cereal....

DazedNblazed
03-29-2006, 08:26 PM
you guys have it all figured out here dont you.

Oneironaut
03-29-2006, 09:39 PM
Big Business rules the world.

The tobacco industry, Haliburton, the medical industry, and the Bush family refineries in Texas.

Now here's the kicker: who would benefit most from a reconstruction effort and millions upon millions of dollars worth of crude oil?

It's easier to just deal with it when you understand there is no government, just Big Business, who only cares about shoving more and more money down its engorged mouth.

You learn to live with it.
I agree that Bush and his cronies unfairly took advantage of this tragedy, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actually orchestrated it. They're successful capitalists, which means they know how to think on their toes and take advantage of any opportunity to make money. And they're successful politicians, which means they also know how to take advantage of any opportunity to make more power. The people who are best at money-grubbing and power-grubbing end up with the most money and power. That's how the people at the top of the ladder got there. You can't seriously expect them to act otherwise once they've reached the top.

Do a little thought experiment: say Bush didn't orchestrate the 9/11 attacks. Assume for a moment that it was really Islamic fundamentalists behind it. What do you think Bush would have done differently? Would he not use it as an excuse to restrict civil liberties? Would he not try to scapegoat some oil-rich countries to invade them? Would he not try to maximize profits for Halliburton in his activities? The fact that he's taking advantage of the situation doesn't mean he's solely responsible for it. It just means he's a selfish opportunistic capitalist asshole.

Yous
03-29-2006, 09:53 PM
I bet you also think the govt controls TV media and hides stuff thats going on in the middle east etc right?

so why is he bombing al-jazeera

look at wtc7, the building that was never hit by anything still collapsed, someone please explain that.....

people do anything for power and money these days, including killing the innocent...

just remember america runs out of oil in 2010...

Oneironaut
03-29-2006, 10:04 PM
so why is he bombing al-jazeera

look at wtc7, the building that was never hit by anything still collapsed, someone please explain that.....
If you want someone to explain that to you, I'm sure you can find your way over to the websites of people skeptical of whatever your explanation is. I'll help you:
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html


people do anything for power and money these days, including killing the innocent...
And how are Islamic fundamentalist terrorists any different in that regard?


just remember america runs out of oil in 2010...
Which is why Bush jumped on the opportunity to attack Iraq and Afghanistan...

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 10:21 PM
Do a little thought experiment: say Bush didn't orchestrate the 9/11 attacks. Assume for a moment that it was really Islamic fundamentalists behind it. What do you think Bush would have done differently?
For one thing, He wouldn't have told the clean-up workers at Ground Zero that the air they were breathing days/months after the collapse was pure. Now there are almost 2000 lawsuits against the city of NY, including firefighters, cops, workers that have strangely developed cases of leukemia, cancer, lung disease, and other rare diseases!
Second, he would have conducted a thorough investigation of 9/11... here's some figures for you: The investigations for clinton scandal, jfk shooting, and other things were started within a week after occuring, the 9/11 commision report was started 411 days AFTER 9/11 *:confused:*. Keeping on the subject of the investigation, there was 42 million dollars given to conduct the investigation on Clinton gettin a bj, but only 600,000 dollars was funded for the 9/11 commission report.
what do you have to say about that?

Oneironaut
03-29-2006, 11:31 PM
I have to say it's solid evidence that the government is full of incompetent bureaucrats, but it's not solid evidence of a conspiracy.

xblackdogx
03-29-2006, 11:38 PM
I have to say it's solid evidence that the government is full of incompetent bureaucrats, but it's not solid evidence of a conspiracy.
so along w/ not funding the 9/11 commision report (it was actually 3 million given, sry bout mis info, but columbia spacecraft incident was given 50 mil) and resisting giving memos and emails from clinton admin, along w/ their admin + not answering questions for the 9/11 commision ppl, you still believe it wasn't an inside job... this was as our Admin puts it themselves, the worst terror attack on US soil, but they won't help for the cause... yet they abuse the event by passing the Patriot Act which threw away 4-5 principles of the bill of rights, and ruining millions of lives in the Middle East.

Pete Rock
03-30-2006, 12:12 AM
Ok lets say the government did stage the attacks. I just want to know what their motive was if they did. What good reason would the government have for staging 9/11?

graph
03-30-2006, 12:39 AM
I agree that Bush and his cronies unfairly took advantage of this tragedy, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actually orchestrated it. They're successful capitalists, which means they know how to think on their toes and take advantage of any opportunity to make money. And they're successful politicians, which means they also know how to take advantage of any opportunity to make more power. The people who are best at money-grubbing and power-grubbing end up with the most money and power. That's how the people at the top of the ladder got there. You can't seriously expect them to act otherwise once they've reached the top.

Do a little thought experiment: say Bush didn't orchestrate the 9/11 attacks. Assume for a moment that it was really Islamic fundamentalists behind it. What do you think Bush would have done differently? Would he not use it as an excuse to restrict civil liberties? Would he not try to scapegoat some oil-rich countries to invade them? Would he not try to maximize profits for Halliburton in his activities? The fact that he's taking advantage of the situation doesn't mean he's solely responsible for it. It just means he's a selfish opportunistic capitalist asshole.
This answers your question too, PeteRock. However, before you read this, read my last posts for the "full story".

Bush didn't orchestrate the attacks. Someone much more powerful than Bush did? Much more powerful than Bush you say. Of course.

Just look at his face when he heard about the planes crashing into the building. It's like a monkey who just found out his favorite tree got knocked down. He's not smart enough to plan the attack, nor is he smart enough to cover it up. Somebody, somewhere, wanted something.

I get your point, really I do. For a while I tried to convince myself that it wasn't the government either, since it does seem really crazy to say it was. There's a lot of things more powerful than the government, though, which brings me back to Big Business. We haven't had another attack since then, even though we bombed the hell outta two countries, we've been kept in a state of constant fear with the terror alert system, our basic freedoms are being taken away by something labeled a "Patriot" Act, I mean the list just goes on and on. Sure, they could have seen 9/11 as an opportunity to take away our basic freedoms, but it's just more plausible to me that it was planned.

xblackdogx
03-30-2006, 01:08 AM
Ok lets say the government did stage the attacks. I just want to know what their motive was if they did. What good reason would the government have for staging 9/11?
hmm.. motives... they as top officials have goals for our country... one major goal is to be a superpower, especially militarily. Their ideas aren't supported by all, so this is basically sythetic terrorism which caused fear upon the nation. with doing so, we will be more acceptable of their plans (stated in The Project for New American Century) and also pass stuff like the Patriot Act (gives them an enormous amount of power, and eliminates the checks and balance system we are based on, especially when dealing with persecuting detainees of wartime)
the link to new american century is in a post above

king kong bong
03-30-2006, 01:58 AM
This answers your question too, PeteRock. However, before you read this, read my last posts for the "full story".

Bush didn't orchestrate the attacks. Someone much more powerful than Bush did? Much more powerful than Bush you say. Of course.

Just look at his face when he heard about the planes crashing into the building. It's like a monkey who just found out his favorite tree got knocked down. He's not smart enough to plan the attack, nor is he smart enough to cover it up. Somebody, somewhere, wanted something.

I get your point, really I do. For a while I tried to convince myself that it wasn't the government either, since it does seem really crazy to say it was. There's a lot of things more powerful than the government, though, which brings me back to Big Business. We haven't had another attack since then, even though we bombed the hell outta two countries, we've been kept in a state of constant fear with the terror alert system, our basic freedoms are being taken away by something labeled a "Patriot" Act, I mean the list just goes on and on. Sure, they could have seen 9/11 as an opportunity to take away our basic freedoms, but it's just more plausible to me that it was planned.

true. also you can tell a professional inside job bombing from an amateur bombing. amateur bombings always bomb something little like a bus and there is no evidence as opposed to a prof. inside bombing where the fbi always finds all these pieces of evidence. basically amateur bombings are always sloppy.

Swizzy89304
03-30-2006, 08:37 AM
look at wtc7, the building that was never hit by anything still collapsed, someone please explain that.....

Maybe, just maybe, the force of the Twin Towers collapsing onto a concrete floor made the surrounding area shake just a little, so that surrounding buildings were damaged or destroyed?
I really dont know what the fuss is about. Sure, the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings might be inside jobs, but will getting rid of the current government make all these problems disappear? For a few years, maybe. But then another government is gonna come into power, and someone inside will be corrupt, and the same things will happen again.
Just fuck it. If its gonna happen, its gonna happen, and theres not a damn thing we can do about it.

C4nn4Bliss
03-30-2006, 08:58 AM
Maybe, just maybe, the force of the Twin Towers collapsing onto a concrete floor made the surrounding area shake just a little, so that surrounding buildings were damaged or destroyed?
I really dont know what the fuss is about. Sure, the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings might be inside jobs, but will getting rid of the current government make all these problems disappear? For a few years, maybe. But then another government is gonna come into power, and someone inside will be corrupt, and the same things will happen again.
Just fuck it. If its gonna happen, its gonna happen, and theres not a damn thing we can do about it.


owner of WTC7 admitted it was "pulled" on PBS or another station

by the way....great additude :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :error:

basically your saying to just bend over....:thumbsup:

Tmar.aLL.DaYmar
03-30-2006, 10:01 AM
g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..

knocks
03-30-2006, 12:29 PM
Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

Then go ahead and prove this entire theory wrong......more than just the "steal" beams and 70% stuff that you mentioned....

Or, maybe this isn't one of those "stupidass conspiracy" theories, after all. :rasta:

What is it about this thread that you hate so much? That the people referring to "Loose Change" pretend to be experts? Or that you just don't believe how strong steel is?

I admit, I think a lot of the conspiracies I've read are complete BS...but there are also some things that make you wonder. And, there are a lot of FACTS that these conspiracies are based on that have yet to be disputed. If everything happened like you think it did, why are there these holes?And if the government knows that all of these holes exist, why don't they fill in these holes and answer the questions that they know are being asked?

I, personally don't have any stance about this 9/11 stuff, but don't hate on these dudes for having theirs. That's the whole reason we're supposedly fighting this war, right? America would be a sh!tty place if everyone was lazy, didn't question anything, and simply said stuff like "fuck it, there's no point" or "if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen."

Peace.

mfactor420
03-30-2006, 03:38 PM
g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..

I guess you'd better go kill yourself because this debate aint going away, just like the debate about whether God exists and whether there was a big bang or evolution. Get over it! :thumbsup:

xblackdogx
03-30-2006, 05:53 PM
g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..
The way you put it, does make it PROBABLE that the steal beam losess 70% of its intergrity but: if you watch the crashes, collapses you can barely see any fires, given there are alot of fires in the building but not as much to make it lose 70 % of its integrity.
Below is a picture that shows a building losing its integrity due to fire. The WTC only stood after impact for under 1hr 20 min :confused: The picture below is around 10 hours!

graph
03-30-2006, 08:19 PM
g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..
what's loose change?

mfactor420
03-30-2006, 08:37 PM
what's loose change?

Ya, what's Loose Change?:confused: Guess I can't claim I am an "expert" on 9/11.:(

Dang!!!:D

Great Spirit
03-30-2006, 08:40 PM
9/11 was Germany's Reichstag Fire. You think a dictatorship could never happen in Amerika? It happened in Germany when it was called the Weimar Republic, and their constitution much like ours told the government what it can and CANNOT do. The Nazis committed the act and blamed the communists. Then it was the Jews, liberals, homosexuals, etc who were targeted and persecuted. Hitler passed the Enabling Act which granted him total control and it was set to expire...much like our Patriot Act that Congress passed right after 9/11. Also, Bush trying to permantely ban homosexual marriage is a very Hitler like act, as Amerika is supposed to free right?? I smell fascism!!!

The oldest trick in the book is for nations to have their citizens surrender their rights in the name of security. It happened in Germany..it will happen in Amerika!

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.- Herman Goering

C4nn4Bliss
03-30-2006, 09:05 PM
Diffuse flames burn cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.

Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved

Psycho4Bud
03-30-2006, 10:16 PM
LOL....I was wondering how long this thread was going to survive in the lounge!

Tmar.aLL.DaYmar
03-31-2006, 05:51 AM
Then go ahead and prove this entire theory wrong......more than just the "steal" beams and 70% stuff that you mentioned....

Or, maybe this isn't one of those "stupidass conspiracy" theories, after all. :rasta:

What is it about this thread that you hate so much? That the people referring to "Loose Change" pretend to be experts? Or that you just don't believe how strong steel is?

I admit, I think a lot of the conspiracies I've read are complete BS...but there are also some things that make you wonder. And, there are a lot of FACTS that these conspiracies are based on that have yet to be disputed. If everything happened like you think it did, why are there these holes?And if the government knows that all of these holes exist, why don't they fill in these holes and answer the questions that they know are being asked?

I, personally don't have any stance about this 9/11 stuff, but don't hate on these dudes for having theirs. That's the whole reason we're supposedly fighting this war, right? America would be a sh!tty place if everyone was lazy, didn't question anything, and simply said stuff like "fuck it, there's no point" or "if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen."

Peace.

dear god i should have known that would be completely misunderstood.

And let me start off by saying that YES, i beleive 9/11 was staged. I was the like the fourth fucking post in this thread and i said i beleived it was staged.

And i dont hate people debating 9/11, what i hate is uninformed people spouting off completely ignorant information for both sides. Just because a video online gives some reasons why 9/11 was staged, DOESNT mean that its not fucking lying.

Ive written numerous International Baccalaureate level papers on september eleventh. And ive done something called RESEARCH for PRIMARY SOURCES. ever heard of them? It means not going to google and typing in "9/11 conspiracies", it means interviews with Structural Engineers and other specialists. It means browsing government archives, and other CREDIBLE sources.

Breukelen advocaat
03-31-2006, 06:13 AM
I was in lower NYC, not far from Ground Zero, on 9/11.

What do you think about my conversation with an architect that I met on the subway after leaving the area of the attack, before the towers fell, that described to me exactly what was going to happen?

There must be others like him that predicted the collapse, but I never hear about any. Since it happened so fast there probably wasn't time for postings to be placed on the internet.

Have you seen or heard of any documented cases of similar professional opinions posted, or otherwise offered, between the time the Towers were hit and their collapse?

C4nn4Bliss
03-31-2006, 06:47 AM
What about that radio transmission of the firefighter saying that the fires were containable....If the fire was containable then it surely wouldnt be close to collapsing

Secondly didnt it seem like a LARGE portion of the fuel burnt outside of the building, its not like the whole plane got lodged in there, it blew right through it.

I have to agree that basing your opinion on that crazed fuck Alex Jones is stupid. All he does is throw these supposed "facts" at you and expects you to belive them. I would have had a easier time believing him if he gave something to back his facts up.

king kong bong
03-31-2006, 07:29 AM
comment directed toward oneirnaut.

well thats what i did but opposite. i believed in the "official story" then i decided to step out of the box and look at the "conspiracy theories". it made a lot of sense to me...

graph
03-31-2006, 07:52 AM
What about that radio transmission of the firefighter saying that the fires were containable....If the fire was containable then it surely wouldnt be close to collapsing

Secondly didnt it seem like a LARGE portion of the fuel burnt outside of the building, its not like the whole plane got lodged in there, it blew right through it.

I have to agree that basing your opinion on that crazed fuck Alex Jones is stupid. All he does is throw these supposed "facts" at you and expects you to belive them. I would have had a easier time believing him if he gave something to back his facts up.

I didn't like loose change. Way too much hearsay to be considered actual evidence. What I do like, though, is how it encourages others to start researching themselves, something most people never did before.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

xblackdogx
03-31-2006, 08:21 AM
for those that don't think the government controls the media:
Bush is straightening up the White House (ie. getting rid of some ppl).. guess who some of his candidates are: a Time Warner Inc. Chairman, and a Morgan Stanley Chief Exec
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-03-30T185302Z_01_N29261777_RTRUKOC_0_US-BUSH.xml
now stop fucking kidding yourselves

knocks
03-31-2006, 10:34 AM
dear god i should have known that would be completely misunderstood.

And let me start off by saying that YES, i beleive 9/11 was staged. I was the like the fourth fucking post in this thread and i said i beleived it was staged.

And i dont hate people debating 9/11, what i hate is uninformed people spouting off completely ignorant information for both sides. Just because a video online gives some reasons why 9/11 was staged, DOESNT mean that its not fucking lying.

Ive written numerous International Baccalaureate level papers on september eleventh. And ive done something called RESEARCH for PRIMARY SOURCES. ever heard of them? It means not going to google and typing in "9/11 conspiracies", it means interviews with Structural Engineers and other specialists. It means browsing government archives, and other CREDIBLE sources.

Again, I could care less about 9/11 conspiracies, so you probably can figure out that I haven't had the honor of doing research for Primary Sources nor written IB level papers on the subject. Congratulations on your accomplishments...

What my point is, is why don't you explain what some of the "ignorant information" that these guys are referring to? Especially since your credentials put in a position of doing just that....A lot of us ignorant posters on this forum don't have the time to go browsing through gov't archives, since that's not our area of work....maybe we'd just rather smoke some weed in our free time. A lot of us uninformed idiots rely on experts like you to do the research and post it online so we can read it, evaluate it, and figure out if we believe it. Just because it's on Google doesn't mean it's NOT true...

In my humble opinion, if I were the expert at something, I would share some of my expert knowledge with the less-enlightened masses, instead of sitting on my IB high horse and spew out stuff like "F this...F that....F you all...Get a F-ing clue."

Again...peace.

xblackdogx
03-31-2006, 06:16 PM
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/evidence/newsau_1000neverided.html
^^ is the source, not written by ppl on the site
anyway, it says 200 pieces of a body were linked to one person... can you say EXPLODED... only 300 bodies were found, i didnt realize how fire makes bones evaporate

Psycho4Bud
03-31-2006, 06:23 PM
i didnt realize how fire makes bones evaporate

I think they call it cremation.

xblackdogx
03-31-2006, 07:49 PM
I think they call it cremation.
yes, b/c EVERYONE that died were exposed to "fires" on the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth etc floors..... or was it the collapse of the buildings that made the people on these lower floors evaporate?

Psycho4Bud
03-31-2006, 08:22 PM
yes, b/c EVERYONE that died were exposed to "fires" on the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth etc floors..... or was it the collapse of the buildings that made the people on these lower floors evaporate?

How many tons of steel, concrete, etc...dropped on these poor souls? Drop a 100# weight on a grape and see whats left to identify.

xblackdogx
04-01-2006, 01:06 AM
ummm, have you picked dead bodies off collapsed buildings before... i'm basing my info on what actual firefighters from the scene said and um... there should have been bodies... flattened bodies if you will... but not dust

xblackdogx
04-01-2006, 02:42 AM
OK, this is hopefully going to end all you "i believe the gov't" conspiracists. Fuck outside sources. Here's the blueprints. Look at all of them and think about the 500,000t of steel that comprises the beams. Try to tell me it was a plane that knocked them down.




last picture is FEMA's version... they distorted it to make the beams look like they were independent, but they were all connected

eg420ne
04-01-2006, 03:33 AM
Dickhead Cheney admits USAma had nothing to do with 911...

Q I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: That's correct. We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place.So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming. But there -- that's a separate proposition from the question of whether or not there was some kind of a relationship between the Iraqi government, Iraqi intelligence services and the al Qaeda organization
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

xblackdogx
04-01-2006, 03:38 AM
^^ Yea, then when Pres Bush gives a speech, most recently as yesterday they always intertwine the events with 9/11 and Iraq.

Check this photos out from AP... this is blatant proof about the Pentagon, and if this is an inside job, then the WTC have to be... they go hand in hand




the hole is roughly 3.5 times the size of the car in the picture :confused:

eg420ne
04-01-2006, 04:00 AM
Ya, its so much a inside job, if a boeing jet really did hit the Pentagon, the left side wing would be still recognizable, including the massive titanium engines..

andruejaysin
04-01-2006, 06:04 AM
Come on, if they faked it they would have blamed it on Iraq, why even bother with Afganistan? This is stupid.

eg420ne
04-01-2006, 06:33 AM
Well they couldnt go after Iraq first because they told you USAma bin-laden did 911 and he was in Afganistan. PNAC had it in detail why-they needed a new pearl harbor event to get the SHEOPLE behind the LONG WAR.......

pisshead
04-01-2006, 05:21 PM
as for afghanistan...the opium sure is flowing now, isn't it...

oops. go war on drugs!

andruejaysin
04-01-2006, 07:58 PM
Well they couldnt go after Iraq first because they told you USAma bin-laden did 911 and he was in Afganistan. PNAC had it in detail why-they needed a new pearl harbor event to get the SHEOPLE behind the LONG WAR.......
That's the point, they wouldn't have said osama did it, they would have blamed it on iraq.

eg420ne
04-01-2006, 08:05 PM
Well they had to make it look good for the sheopple

daima
04-08-2006, 01:45 PM
I refuse to believe it. It doesn't blame the government and my stupid-ass liberal mind can't accept that.
Let me get this straight.
The buildings fell because of intense heat. But we had people standing in the hole made by the plane holding on to the building, waving their arms, and finally jumping? If the steel couldnt stand the heat created by intense jet fuel, how could human flesh>?
dai*ma:stoned: