The Definitive Green Dragon (Cannabis Tincture)

[Master Wu]

Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.

This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

Ingredients:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum â?? 151 proof


Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 4-5 minutes.

3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150°F â?? 165°F.

5. Strain the mixture and store.


Dosage:
One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).


Process detailsâ??references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabisâ??more surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

2. Bake the cannabis.

In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society (http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm) http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)

THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

3. Use the highest proof alcohol available. In my area this was Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 â?? 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is â??explosiveâ?� (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9â?� wide x 3â?� high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 165°F (I maintain it between 150°F and 165°F). You want the alcohol mixture to be just barely moving (not boiling, but showing active convection within the mixture). If the mixture starts to bubble too much, just turn down the water bath.

You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

5. Strain, titrate, and store.
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture. Note that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated.

Now you should test your eyedropper. In my test 34 full droppers equaled one ounce of liquid (this is a little less than one gram of liquid per dropperful as 29g equals 1ounce).

The liquid should be dark green and smell like cannabis.

6. Dosage.
Everybody is probably different. It takes me 1.5 hours to feel the effects of eating cannabis. Similarly this tincture also takes 1.5 hours to take effect.

I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 droppers did pretty much nothing.

Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 1.5 hours and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). And is much more pleasant than smoking (which really is bad for you and your lungs and the reason I've stopped smoking entirely).


This link might be helpful.
Metric Conversion: http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm


Enjoy and let me know of your success and/or questions.

Master Wu

[notrightquite]

I will definitely try that ...

[hash in hand]

i prefer the easy way...1/8 per 100ml of 40%+ vol. chop add alcohol and weed.......seal in a jar..store in a warm dark place...fro 10-20 days...shake every day...
but dropper in the eye?? you say that smoking is bad yes...but so is dropping alcohol and plant chemicals/resins into your eye.....i jus take a shot of it....so much better if you smoke a joint an hour in...fucked me for about 10 hrs.....all the way through a gig and into the next morining....

[scream]

i hope that he doesnt mean dropping it in your eye. that would make you go blind. bad call

[hash in hand]

oh yeh didnt think otherwise...well master wu du yu drop that shit in ur eye......? something about the mention of eyedroppers makes me think of eyes....

[Master Wu]

Drop in eye??? That would be stupid.

Use eyedropper to measure amount to put into mouth (thought that was obvious). Had I intended you to place alcohol in your eye I would have included another step...

6. Place in eye. Scream madly while running around in circles. Cry like baby for 1 hour. Go to doctor.

But this step is missing because you put the liquid in your mouth

[notrightquite]

... he said use an eyedropper. He never said to put it in your eyes. Hahahahah

[hash in hand]

is it only me who thinks of eyes when eyedroppers are mentioned then?? i did find it weird that you said that it takes an hour and a half to take effect....

[Master Wu]

In my body it takes 1.5 hours. In yours it might be shorter or longer, but it would be similar to eating a brownie (brownies take me 1.5 hours as does tincture). The rate of effect with ingestion is really determined by the speed and efficiency of your own metabolism.

Master Wu

[reeferizer420]

thats some great reads right there... thanks. I've been considering an idea for a while. I'm gonna cook up some greed dragon, get some empty pills for like those herbal supplements, and i'll put the green dragon in there. thus making... weed pills... do u think it'll work??

[notrightquite]

It should, reef. Make a couple (I'd imagine two would fit the same amount as a dropper) and let us know!!! :)

[reeferizer420]

cool, my friends actually gonna be cookin them up, but i wanna try it with a small amount of weed first. just so i dont waste a lot.

[notrightquite]

Don't go too small or you won't feel it.

[thebeancounter41]

just made 2 oz of green dragon tincture with 7gms of really potent skunk following this recipe.(execept I put twice as much weed and 50% more everclear.)Used 3 oz everclear and ended up with about 2oz.This stuff is vile yet tasty in the same breath.I'll know if I did it right in about an hour I geuss.I ingested .8ml from a graduated dropper sublingually.If I get 30 strong doses from that 1/4 of hydro I will be thrilled.

[Opie Yutts]

So.. thebeancounter, did it work? I want to try this but I can't afford to waste weed.

And I have built up such a high tolerance that I can't hardly get stoned anymore. Do you think this would do the trick?

[PRiMe4u]

So.. thebeancounter, did it work? I want to try this but I can't afford to waste weed.

And I have built up such a high tolerance that I can't hardly get stoned anymore. Do you think this would do the trick?
Me too. Join the club. Someone added tobacco to a joint because they said it wouldn't burn without it and WOW. New buzz. Weed without NICOTINE is boring. I need both. TOOO much nicotine and I puke. Good speed limit. Smoke yourself to sleep and see what iz left when you wake up in the ?morning?. I need to expand the helpfulness of this Legal Tender of the past. If Tincture iz the answer, I LOVE WU. WU, I love you. I love my tolerance for getting HIGH too. I'd hate to lose that. Vodka has other value's, huh ??? 190 proof grain alcohol iz our friend in weed world. My family grows better medicine than your family.

[Opie Yutts]

I read up on this somewhat extensively a few years back, but forgot a lot of it. If my understanding of good tincture is correct, it would be very desireable to me. I mean think of the stealth, and other benifits. I'm out in public, say at the amusement park, and I want to get stoned, but there's people and possibley cops everywhere. From my pocket, I pull out a small bottle with an eye dropper, put 3 or 4 drops in my beverage and that of my friends, and in 45 minutes we're all feeling pretty good. Or slightly less stealthy but still good, we put a couple drops under our tounges, and we're feeling high in ten minutes. The two different ways also produce slightly different kinds of stones. Cool. I remember (it's been a few years) one of the best stones ever is from injestion through the stomache. And no harm to the lungs.

I need to make some of this stuff and do it right for once. I tried 3 times before with dismall but partial effectiveness, but I didn't use totally buds. In fact I used mostly trim. Hmmm, it is a vacation week for me. Maybe I'll try this week with some good bud for once, and report back if anyone is intersted.

And administering drugs through the eyes is actually very effective and quite common. I do it every day (prescription), and Jimmy Hendrix did it just before going on stage. I have a feeling tincture would sting quite a bit, but it used to be, and I don't know, perhaps still is put in the eyes to help glaucoma.

You guys come over Thursday and will whip up some the quick way. Then we'll sit out back, and watch the sunset and the deer. And bring your good-looking bikini girl friends. Sounds nice. I just need to get my hot tub and deck back there.

[Opie Yutts]

I might be interested in the different buzz by adding nicotine, but I don't want to get addicted to yet another drug. Whata ya think?

[timmyrecordz]

fuck a bunch of nicotine.

[PRiMe4u]

I might be interested in the different buzz by adding nicotine, but I don't want to get addicted to yet another drug. Whata ya think?I like what I like. I used to spin on my knee on the floor to get dizzy as a kid. I used to HATE ButtHead AshHoles, but ...... I remember liking it as a tiny kid in car with GranParents - till I felt sick to stomach. Oh well. I can get hung-over quicker than you, if I drink TOOO much AGAIN. I agree with "FUCK the TOBACCO", but not the NICOTINE. I'm addicted now. BOO HOO. I bought 2 bags for $5.28 each. $11 so far so it is $25 of tobacco a year versus that only being 2 bottles of Vodka a DAY?, WEEK or MONTH ??? If I live on $4 a gallon Milwaukee's Best Light Keg BEER, I don't spend as much on VODKA. Quantity Discount WINz. 15 gallons of BEER lasts either a year or 6 monthes, my choice. First a year and now only 6 monthes. 30 gallons of BEER a year needs a THC tincture diet for my BEER GUT. Poppy tincture ??? Time will tell. Cocaine seeds ??? WOW. I never wanted, but ............... lick my crack

[Opie Yutts]

Yes, do not get addicted to alcohol. That stuff is the scourge of the earth and will fuck you up good, as well as the ones around you. I've seen it many times.

Sorry about that nicotine addiction bro. Ozzy Osborne said that he has been addicted to every drug, and by far the hardest to quit was nicotine, not that you necessarily need to quit.

[hahaitsdoogle]

I like what I like. I used to spin on my knee on the floor to get dizzy as a kid. I used to HATE ButtHead AshHoles, but ...... I remember liking it as a tiny kid in car with GranParents - till I felt sick to stomach. Oh well. I can get hung-over quicker than you, if I drink TOOO much AGAIN. I agree with "FUCK the TOBACCO", but not the NICOTINE. I'm addicted now. BOO HOO. I bought 2 bags for $5.28 each. $11 so far so it is $25 of tobacco a year versus that only being 2 bottles of Vodka a DAY?, WEEK or MONTH ??? If I live on $4 a gallon Milwaukee's Best Light Keg BEER, I don't spend as much on VODKA. Quantity Discount WINz. 15 gallons of BEER lasts either a year or 6 monthes, my choice. First a year and now only 6 monthes. 30 gallons of BEER a year needs a THC tincture diet for my BEER GUT. Poppy tincture ??? Time will tell. Cocaine seeds ??? WOW. I never wanted, but ............... lick my crack


i cant follow a damn sentace this guys says..

[Opie Yutts]

i cant follow a damn sentace this guys says..

I know it's hard, but you gotta think outside the pipe, then you'll understand maybe half.

[PRiMe4u]

Yes, do not get addicted to alcohol. That stuff is the scourge of the earth and will fuck you up good, as well as the ones around you. I've seen it many times.

Sorry about that nicotine addiction bro. Ozzy Osborne said that he has been addicted to every drug, and by far the hardest to quit was nicotine, not that you necessarily need to quit.Ozzy quit ??? Why did he start ??? I did because my brain likez it and without it pot iz boring and has almost NO buzz. Sounds strange, but ...... the truth hurtz. I wanna know if a nicotine tincture type thing will ever happen for me and my mind ??? Do you think Master Wu heat treats his smoking mix ??? Oh yeah, he quit. Tincture only. If converting THCA into THC works for tincture, does it work with fire evaporation, too ??? Master WU, I heard you when you said you would appreciate ANY comments or questions. Is the pot any better for using in my water-filtered jam jar ??? I mentally tricked myself into thinking so, but ......... Why does GreenDragonSoda guy say 325 degrees for 20 minutes and you say 150 for 5 minutes ??? Which iz best ??? I will try it all, but ....... HELP

[Opie Yutts]

Lotta confusion about this stuff in general.

Don't go above 350 degrees, because I think THC is destroyed at 380 or something like that. I just remember everything I read said 350 is the cut-off point for cooking and tinctures.

[Oksmokey]

Can this recipe be double with same effect? Or is it best to just make batchs of this size and repeat?

[Oksmokey]

Is the dosage a drop or 1 full dropper?

I made some and ended up with 1 3/4 oz. much more than the expected 1 oz. I used 190 proof liquor. I dosed 5 or so drops almost two hours ago and I am feeling some effect. A friend dosed 2 drops and felt nothing. I JUST reread dosage and I think it is a full eyedropper full. Two for "outerspace".

Also the alcohol is real strong in my batch. It burns when you put it under your tongue. This true for anyone else's?

[Master Wu]

Hello Friends,

Here are a few answers to some of the more vexing GD questions.

1. Baking Temperature/Time.
I use 325 Farenheit for 5 minutes. Although this will change depending on the type of pan you use. With a gas oven and aluminum foil (no pan cookie sheet) 5 minutes was fine. However with an electric oven, a cookie sheet, and baking parchment, I needed a few more minutes. I keep a close eye on it. When I begin to see/smell vapors then it is time to remove it from the heat. THC vaporization occurs around 380F so the 325F is should be safe despite the vapor smell.

2. Double the Recipe
Sure, why not. It should be fine. But I prefer to err on the side of caution and would probably do the extraction twice with a self-titration in between runs.

3. Dosage
You will have to figure dosage with each batch. And you must test it on yourself. The way to do this is through titration (a fancy chemical term that means to determine the concentration of a solution). The concentration of GD will change based on the strength of the starting material, the amount of alcohol you boil off during the extraction, the efficiency of your pre-bake, etc.

Start with one or two full dropperfuls (not drops!) and swallow them down. Check the time and note when you first feel effects, when you peak, the intensity of the peak, and how long it lasts. Make sure you can reproduce your titration (empty stomach, time of day, diluted in water?, etc). If you like what you feel, great. If too much or not good enough try again tomorrow with a different amount. With two points (high and low) you should have a pretty good idea of how it works on your body. Of course it might be different on someone considerably bigger or smaller.

For instance one batch I made was unbelievably strong--1 dropperful and I was flying. The next one takes 3 dropperfuls for same effect (but the solution was more dilute as I ended up with 1.75oz instead of 1oz of final GD, and the pot wasn't as good.

4. And as always--don't put the stuff in your eye ;-). And don't put it under your tongue because it burns. I now place the GD in a tablespoon (or so) of water--yum. I actually like the flavor as it is sort of floral. I also store mine in the fridge, but don't really know if this matters.

Master Wu

[Oksmokey]

The microwave method to decarboxylate the THC was removed from the www.greendragonsoda.com along with the dangerous extraction method.

Is it two minutes on High in a microwave to decarboxylate the bud?

[Opie Yutts]

Is it two minutes on High in a microwave to decarboxylate the bud?

Will it get above 350? If yes, then yes.

[TheMeich]

Master Wu,

Firstly, I would like to thank you VERY much for taking the time to explain (in detail) your process which sounds amazing.

I will be attempting it Thursday evening and the only part that I don't understand is your dosing. Which is probably the most important.

You call 1 dose 1 eye dropper. Eyedroppers come in different shapes and sizes. What is the exact or approximate mL/cc of said eye dropper?

Thanks again for your time,

-Meich

[suhl]

i have a few questions. 1.do you preheat the oven. im assuming this is a yes but i dont know.

2. is this ready for immediate use or should you store it for a few weeks.

[suhl]

and also did you mean 2 cups instead of ounces because i just looked at 2 ounces in a measuring cup, that is like less that a 25 % of a glass of water and is definitely not going to give you 34 eye dropper full, especially if half burns off. i mean that is so low i think it would almost all evaporate if heated. im going to assume you meant cups

[Oksmokey]

I have made it twice now. it is definatly 2 oz. a standard shot size.

If u made this with 2 cups u would and 1/8 of herb u would end up with a very very weak drink.

[Oksmokey]

BTW more info on this at www.greendragonsoda.com and at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dragon

[suhl]

that makes sense but 1 oz of liquid is most definitely not get you 32 eye droppers

[suhl]

i realize it isnt a turkey baster. often times i do confuse those with eye droppers though. that is why i said eyedropper i havent seen one in awhile they must be smaller than i can remember because one fluid ounce is about the size of a shot, maybe a little less, which from my experience with droppers which was a long time ago so the memory must be hazy will probably not yield 34 droppers full. anyway ill assume you are right based on the picture from that website.

[Delta9 UK]

Great Post!

[canieatit]

master Wu
i tried your green dragon but i used leaf ( had plenty around) it did not seem to work that well, ending in drinking the hole lot in a day i think i was stoned at the end of the day. and the flovour!!! good god that was bad. the things we do to get stoned. could you tell me if leaf is good/bad, the same as bud , need 10 times more for cooking? etc

[TXmazda]

okay .... so .... say i was going to make some pot suckers, space pops, whatever you wanna call them .... as in a sucker that gets you high ..... in theory ..... i could make a batch (or two) of green dragon .... drop it into the sucker mix with the flavoring (all cooking is already done) and let them stand .... this would basically just solidify the green dragon in the form of a sucker .... does anyone think this would work? i'm away from my kitchen at the moment but I'm really really tempted to give it a go ....

[Master Wu]

Hello Friends,

1. How much is in an Eyedropper
An eyedropper holds about one milliliter of liquid, depending on how hard you squeeze the little bulb. For water based solutions one milliliter weighs about one gram. Thus each full eyedropper contains about one gram of liquid. Since there are about 29 grams in one ounce, you get about 29 full eyedroppers in every ounce. The eyedropper I initially used measured 34 full droppers in an ounce.

Also I use the nice blue two-ounce dropper bottles from the health food store that are used for essential oils, tinctures, and/or other extracts.

2. Leaf vs. Bud
I have not tried the extraction with leaf. But you would obviously need loads more. The problem is you will also need much more alcohol. My guess is you should use somewhere on the order of 10 parts alcohol to 1 part leaf. Then once you are finished you will want to remove the spent leaf, and then concentrate the alcohol by boiling off most of it (using the water bath of course) until you have one ounce of GD remaining.

3. When is it Ready
Right away. That is one of the nice things about this extraction process.

4. Taste
I find that after a week in the fridge (that's where I store mine) the flavor seems to mature into a heady, slightly floral elixer with bud overtones. I find it rather pleasant.

Master Wu

[canieatit]

master Wu
thanks for your information re: leaf versus head (bud as you gus call it)
now! i would like to know when heating the dope in the oven,to turn the thca into thc. should the dope be dry as its ready to smoke or can it be wet? when i used the leaf most of it was wet. i cooked the leaf in the oven for 5-8 minutes at 150c. degrees
i did end up useing more rum than your recipe i can not tell you what the end mixture was as i kept adding until the leaf was just covered. the length of cooking time was the same as yours. but i did not reduce the liquard
when i reduceing the liquard i wonder if it will thicken?
master wu, were are you from? this "1 ounce" thing! ha ha i am gussing in my language thats around 30mil!
one more question. when reduceing the liquard iam i loseing thc along with the alcohol? i dont mind loseing the alcohol but the thc is another thing

[shoi]

this is a really good thread recipe thing... i think it should be stickyatized

[Captain Hanks]

sounds like a plan once i have more room to make such concotions (rents)

[Jaycub]

This sounds great. What a good idea.

I'm assuming heating 7 grams in the oven for 20 minutes smells up the entire house? Anyone have information about the smell when making this? I'm talking extent of smell, time it stays in the air, how bad, etc.

[jamstigator]

I haven't tried this yet, but I plan to do so. This is one of the best-formatted, most concise and clear recipes of any kind that I have seen anywhere, by the way. Thank you very much, Master Wu, for sharing this with us!

One question: if I want to use a whole ounce of good pot on this, can I just increase the alcohol amount correspondingly? E.g., one ounce of good pot, 16 ounces of strong alcohol? Seems like it would work okay. I'd rather just make a bunch at once, because I'm a lazy sumbitch. ;)

[Knotter]

Great thread Master Wu!

One question, could this be done using Isopropanol alcohol? It must be nearly 100% proof and probbaly more likely to combust/ignite.

Anyone have any experience with Iso alcohol?

peace
Knotter

[Oksmokey]

I have drank rum and everclear components of Green Dragon.
But I would never drink Isopropyl alcohol. So why would you make green dragon with it? It is a drink.

Isopropyl alcohol

Safety
Isopropyl alcohol vapour is heavier than air and is highly flammable with a very wide combustible range. It should be kept away from heat and open flame. When mixed with air or other oxidisers it can detonate[citation needed].

Isopropyl alcohol is oxidized by the liver into acetone. Symptoms of isopropyl alcohol poisoning include flushing, headache, dizziness, CNS depression, nausea, vomiting, anesthesia, and coma. Use in well-ventilated areas and use protective gloves while using. Poisoning can occur from ingestion, inhalation, or absorption.

Long term application to the skin can cause defatting.

Medicine/Toxicology
Isopropyl alcohol is about twice as toxic as ethanol. Isopropyl alcohol does not cause an anion gap acidosis (like ethanol or methanol). It produces an elevated osmolal gap, but generally no abnormal anion gap (though this may be seen as a result of hypotension and lactic acidosis). Overdoses may cause a fruity, acetone-like odor on the breath.

[Jaycub]

Yeah dude, don't use rubbing alcohol. That shit will blind you. (Even with throat-application, ;))

[Master Wu]

Hello Friends,

I have made a few more batches since I last wrote. Here are some answers to questions as well as a few more tips.

1. Isopropyl Alcohol
DON'T USE IT!

2. Using an Ounce
The recipe should scale nicely from 1/8 to whole ounce. But, unless you have experience with smaller batches I'd recommend sticking with the recipe as written. It would be a shame to have something go wrong with a large batch. I strongly recommend making the GD a couple of times before trying to scale up.

3. Pre-Baking the Pot - Color Changes and Vapors
Bake the pot at 325 degrees fahrenheit for 5 minutes. I chop mine in a mini-prep (or chop by hand) until it is quite fine. Then I spread it out on a piece of aluminum foil which is placed directly on the oven rack. If you place the foil on a baking pan you will need to account for the additional mass of the pan which will increase your baking time. Pre-baking should stink up the house. I turn on the stove vent fan. I also do all my cooking at night after neighbors are in bed.

I look for two indicators that the pot is properly pre-baked. First, I look for the pot to change color from it's initial shade of green to a much darker greenish-brown (or brownish-green). I assume this represents not browning (burning) of the leaf but rather the denaturation of the chlorophyll in the leaves.

Second, I look for a slight amount of vapors to rise off the pot. Since the temperature is well below the vaporization temperature of THC, these vapors probably consist of compounds that vaporize at lower temperatures (like water).

4. Extraction Temperature (revised)
I've had good success with extractions at 170 degrees fahrenheit. You'll note that my initial recipe called for maintaining temperature between 150 and 165. At 170 the alcohol mixture will be slightly boiling. Note that this is alcohol boiling not water boiling. Alcohol boils with very fine bubbles as opposed to the rolling boil of water. After 20 minutes the alcohol should be reduced by about half.

5. Green Dragon Final Color and Smell
The green dragon should be a greenish-brown color (more brown than green). If it is emerald green and smells like grass (from the cholorphyll), it will be weak. Emerald green indicates that the pre-baking was not sufficient. The GD should smell like bud, somewhat floral.

6. How To Recover The Green Dragon
When you are done extracting you will have one ounce (or so) of GD. But it is mixed up with the 1/8 oz of spent plant material. Here is how I recover the maximum amount of my extract.

First, I strain it through a regular kitchen mesh strainer. I use the back of a spoon to force out as much GD as possible.

Next (this is the cool part) I use a garlic press to squeeze the remaining leaves. My preference is a Zylis Garlic Press because it has a plunger mechanism, but any press should do. I then put the squeezings into the plunger in batches, and squeeze the holy GD out of it. This trick has increased my overall recovery by about 15%.

Master Wu

[John the joint]

man i totally gottamake one :D

[RadioChemi]

damn hash in hand, use your common sense. when your brain registers "drop alcohol in your eyes" from the word eye dropper, i think you got some problems.

[iwantagoodtincture]

master wu first off this recipe looks to be the best and most effeicient tincture i have seen. I just need to know about the dosage. In one of your last posts you said to take a dropperful which is about a gram. About how many actual drops would that be and also once you have done the dry heat convirsion could you then just let the tincture sit instead of placing in a 165 degree bath for 20 minutes or would this change the effect

[shoi]

sticky!!!!!!!!!! plz mods plz

[shoi]

see im that good :D

[iwantagoodtincture]

master wu
i had trouble with the extraction when i made your tincture. it was in a bath of 165 degrees for over 20 minutes and barely anything boiled off. after this i just put the mason jar in a dark place to wait for 2-3 weeks. will this method work instead since the extraction did not work well? i dont know what im doing wrong but if there is anything that might help me please let me know

[Oksmokey]

The first time I made it barely .5 of a oz of liquid boiled off. It is fine. It just isn't has concentrated. Master Wu talks about this in this thread.

Each batch can be a lil different. You will prolly just need to dose a little extra. You have to Self Titrate as Master Wu would say. Or in Okie talk try it out and see how strong it is.

You don't have to wait the 2-3 weeks in a dark place. I made a batch then stored it for a month shaking every few days. It didn't seem that much stronger then the batch I made and used the next day.

You aren't doing anything wrong unless u take a few dropperfulls and don't feel nothing then u messed somewhere else in the process.

I would think the easiest place to screw this up is in the prebaking conversion of THCA to THC.

I like to bake for 20-25 min @ 200 or so. Oven tempatures can fluctate alot so I would personally prefer the safer but longer lower tempature conversion method.

[iwantagoodtincture]

oksmokey

thanks for the reply. originally i used a microwave for 2 minutes which i read worked but obviously not becuase one of my friends took about 3ml which is the same as 3 dropperfuls of tincture that was 1/8 ounce of pot and 2 oz of 88% alcohol content orange extract and didnt feel a thing. and i did the extraction at 170 degrees for 20 min like i said before. i just want this to work and not waste an 1/8 of pot. since i may have made a mistake in the pre-baking, could i strain the weed and then re bake it at the temperature and time that you have suggested?(after rinsed and dried)

[Oksmokey]

Only use Master Wu's recipe!

I used the microwave on 1 batch but I watched it REAL carefully! Checking and turning it and cooking it for prolly a total of 1 1/2 min. If u just stuck it in for 2 min on high u prolly burnt of the THC and ended up with bunkness.

I don't know about this orange extract. I used everclear. If you can't get that get 151.

I like Wu's recipe with a 200 degree for 25 min conversion and a 165-170 degree water bath for 20 min. Then I don't strain! I usally make a double or triple batch and put it back in the everclear bottle and sip on it off and on :)

[iwantagoodtincture]

ok that all sounds legit
it seems so hard to make this shit without messing it up but yeah i think i messed it up in the microwave.

the orange extract is 88% alcohol by content and i dont think that is the problem. green dragonsoda.com said it worked and they seem like a legit site. but i might get 151 just to be safe. the extract is so much cheaper

i just want this to work so i can get high w/out smoking. It seems like the easiest way.

do you know any other pretty easy recipes to get high w/ out smoking.the only other one i have heard of is a honey based extraction where u just put some honey in a pan with the weed and add water as it slowly cooks i dunno though master wu's seems to be the very best and most efficient

[iwantagoodtincture]

also does baking the pot at 200 for 20-25 minutes really stink up the house because it seems like it would and i dont want it to smell strong.

if it does leave a quite strong smell would 5 min at 325 be adequite

[Oksmokey]

"the orange extract is 88% alcohol by content and i dont think that is the problem. green dragonsoda.com said it worked and they seem like a legit site. but i might get 151 just to be safe. the extract is so much cheaper"

I know it list the extract on the site. It also say not to use a microwave on the site lol. But you went there anyway.


"do you know any other pretty easy recipes to get high w/ out smoking.the only other one i have heard of is a honey based extraction where u just put some honey in a pan with the weed and add water as it slowly cooks i dunno though master wu's seems to be the very best and most efficient"

Firecrakers are ez and there is no smell if made right.
http://crackers.kisps.net/

Honestly just reading the recipe section here gives tons of different things to try.


"also does baking the pot at 200 for 20-25 minutes really stink up the house because it seems like it would and i dont want it to smell strong.if it does leave a quite strong smell would 5 min at 325 be adequite"

Both will leave a strong smell. So I guess your underage. Which means. Sorry no more advice from me. Nothing personal just how it is. Good luck man!

[iwantagoodtincture]

well thats cool man its been real and thanx for all the help i appreciate it

[TheSmokingMonkey]

Totally going to make the Green Dragon just like you described! That is awesome.

[DragonForce1]

Thats sick dude. Also you dont need that much money for it.

[Silverback]

I just want to make a few clarifications and add my own experience to the GD manufacturing process. I have followed diligently the instructions provided by Master Wu for a number of batches now, an my experience adds to the following:

1. Pot baking time: The conditions of your week will modify the cooking time considerable. I keep mine in a humidor, and it is always fresh and ready to be smoked, with a high level of humidity. If you weed is in that condition, the first vapors you will see rising from the pot will be very early, and with almost no odor, corresponding mainly to evaporating water. After approximately five minutes those vapors will subdue, and they will be followed, after about one or two minutes, by more dense, stronger smelling vapors. I believe those are the ones that Master Wu refers to. So, if your weed has a high degree of moisture, you need to add around two minutes to your baking time. After proper baking has occurred, not only the color changes but the weed feels â??toastyâ?�.
2. Simmering time: The longer the simmering time, the more concentrated the tincture will be, to a certain degree. I believe that the 20 minutes recommended amounts to the effective alcohol simmering, boiling time, which is not attained until after 10 minutes in the double boil bath. This makes a total time of approximately 30 minutes, from which 20 are real alcohol boiling time.
3. To get the most of the tincture, I still leave it resting in a cool dark place for about one week before separating the weed. I use a piece of surgical gauze as a filter, which I later press using a lime squeezer.

Hope this helps. Greetings, Master Wu!

[elewton]

Sorry. I had saved the wrong link for the official thread.

[bisboss]

i tried this method and another one mentioned here (Green Dragon Recipes (Marijuana Drink) (http://www.greendragonsoda.com)), i also tried a conventional vodka tincture (waited 4 weeks long). neither did work for me. first of all, they didn't get me high a bit. one dropper, five droppers, one shot glass... but not getting high wasn't the problem. the horrible aftertaste however was... they all tasted like i am poisoning myself (no pun intended), it burns your mouth and stomach, makes you nauseous... and the taste lasts 8 painful hours. horrible... and the droppers, pots, pans etc. makes you feel like you are doing "drugs".
so, within the last month, i wasted ~1 oz high grade weed.

my advice would be, smoke the thing, don't play with it.

[Coelho]

Dont give up only because you still hadnt any sucess... it works, i assure you... i went HIGHHH several times drinking it... so there must be something you were doing wrong... anyway... if once you succeed, you will LOVE it... cause the high can be HIGHHHH :stoned::stoned::abduct:

[hereireallyam]

I've tried it twice now, with no results, and think I may be going wrong at the baking stage.

Even on a very low (180F) setting, my powdered bud goes brown very quickly and there's a burnt smell about it. Even after just a few minutes it turns.

This results in a brownish, burnt smelling product at the end of the water bath stage, and a pungent alcohol mix.

Tastes bad and there's no effect.

Any ideas?

[missvipshorty]

i do not currently have a oven fan at this time. do you think it is still safe to cook the tincture??? please advise

[stinkyattic]

Check the sticky at teh top of 'concentrates'. The OP on this thread updated and fixed it to make it more useful, and this one is the old version that is outdated.