Galactic Light and Darkness

[Euphoric]

According to traditional doctrines, the earth experiences periods of increasing spiritual darkness and periods of increasing spiritual light. The two doorways into these different phases are called the "solstice gateways." The two solstices of the year are like noon and midnight.

The doctrine of the World Ages is found in many traditions, including cosmologies found in the ancient Vedic and Mayan civilizations. In the yuga doctrine of ancient India, humanity experienced a Golden Age of light over 12,000 years ago. But the spiritual light began to fade and humanity moved through successive World Ages, each one darker than the last.

Today, we are now at the end of Kali Yuga, the darkest age. We are at the end of galactic night... (our present time is the moment
before dawn). this also coincides with the geological record of ice
ages/pole shifts every 12,000 years. thus, many might argue that the
year 2012 indicates a transition point from the Age of Pisces (which
we've been in for over 2,000 years) to the Age of Aquarius.


As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war and ongoing Earth changes. All this, Mr. Barrios says, was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics of the Mayan calendars.

"It will change," Mr. Barrios observes. "Everything will change." He said Mayan Daykeepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from--and signified by--the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy.

At sunrise on December 21, 2012--for the first time in 26,000 years--the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life--a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual traditions. Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration. This process has already begun, Mr. Barrios suggested. "Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate."


http://www.newconnexion.net/article/03-03/jenkins.html
http://www.paradise2012.com/light/2012/2012.html
http://www.manataka.org/page183.html

[mrdevious]

This is quite an interesting bit of information! Unfortunately the way society keeps falling into such a decedant and superficial way of thinking, I'm not holding my breath.

Still interesting though, and I'd be one happy fellow if people finally woke up to the crappy world they're creating and make a drastic change to our mindset. I think I'll research this further though, the ancient Aryan Priests (don't mix that up with nazi's boys and girls, India had it first) and vedic writings of ancient India have been the most interesting and insightfull to me.

After all, ancient India is the place of origin of Yoga, the first excercise system ever devised (and what a system!), as well as all martial arts, Buddhism, the basis for almost all eastern philosophy, and socialism. Not to mention they discovered the concept of Pi, the theory of gravity, rotation of the earth in relation to the sun thus explaining it's movement, and the theory that stars were other suns with other worlds very far away - all before Europe began to consider these things.

[alchemiser]

I've been watching & waiting with great anticipation for the winter solstice 2012 for years Euphoric :smokin:
Had a tough time with keeping patient for awhile but now with all the signs it's party time :thumbsup:

The engines of the north atlantic current have stopped & the new ice age has begun :dance:
The cities of the Vedic have been re-discovered & the seals shall soon be removed from the books of old ;)
Then there's the use of depleted uranium munitions & global radiation levels being higher now than at any time in human history, it'll only take another war for 'Boils & Sores' to become a common sight :clap:

I can honestly say i'm as ready as i'll ever be for this ages big climax, really potent weed makes the wait so much more fun. :stoned:

[MoonStarer420]

Sounds like astrology pseudoscience to me...but I guess we'll see when your date rollsaround.

[C4nn4Bliss]

Mckennas TimeWave Zero came to the same date as the mayans

Infact if i remember correctly if you laid his TimeWave Zero Timeline over histories timeline you would see that the peak of each era matches to the peak of novelty...very interesting!

[MoonStarer420]

Didn't the Myans also think they needed to sacrifice someone regularly in order to keep the sun rising? Everyone makes mistakes....

[Euphoric]

Didn't the Myans also think they needed to sacrifice someone regularly in order to keep the sun rising? Everyone makes mistakes....

The aztecs made human sacrifices. (Their calander is closely related to the mayan.) Then again, so did the early christians.

The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh.

http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm

[MoonStarer420]

Ah shit, I was stoned and got them mixed up.

[Euphoric]

Ah shit, I was stoned and got them mixed up.
Sure blame the pot :p

[MoonStarer420]

Sure blame the pot :p

Easier then blaming myself.

[Euphoric]

Easier then blaming myself.

You are an idiot

[Great Spirit]

The Kingdom of God is within us!! We are responsible for ourselves and we can bring heaven to Earth if we choose. No one will do it for us...HOWEVER....since we are destroying the Earth with our materialistic lifestyles, Earth will retaliate if we keep on doing this. Thats a fact and it's already happening!

[MoonStarer420]

Ok the problem I have with this theory (the only one) is that it when you talk of the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy. Now these are huge distances and I just doupt that they can measure or predict that acurately. I'm not saying it can't happen just that theres would seem to be a huge amount of error that goes along with a calculation like that.

But if "we are moving in understanding from a 'binary' cosmology in which a thing is true or it is not, to a 'holistic' (whole) cosmology in which a thing is true and false at the same moment- depending solely on one's perspective." then the errors wouldn't matter.

[Imotep]

so im confused-is it going to rain on the weekend or not?

[Euphoric]

The rising sun on December 21st, 2012 will align itself directly with the center of the galaxy. This wobbling of Earth's axis changes our orientation to galactic center and this opens the way for the beginning of a new world age, a re-birth into an entirely new participation in the greater whole..
We of the West tend to be analytical in our approach to reality. The Western mind is cunning in its ability to dissect and tear apart the components of every facet of exploration. Unfortunately, much of the modern world has completely ignored the knowledge obtained by ancient civilizations, or have not given them any intellectual merit, thus creating a global culture, for the most part, steeped in secular and materialistic pursuits.

http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/izapa.html
http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/alignment2012.html

[PureEvil760]

Lets see what blows up

[Euphoric]

The next sunspot cycle will be between 30 percent to 50 percent more intense than the last one, scientists said Monday.
The cycle will also begin a year later than expected, in late 2007 or early 2008, and peak around 2012, said Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.

The last time the solar cycle peaked was in 2001. During the last cycle, solar storms caused extreme radio blackouts in the Pacific.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=sci_tech&id=3968768

[andyandy]

its funny how end of the world/massive global change/fire and brimstone prophecies are always for about 5-10years in the future.....just close enough to get people worried, but just far enough away for the person/group making the claims to exploit them for fame/money.....:) :) :)

people have been milking this shit for hundreds of years - here's a few failed predictions from the past 20 years.....

Pat Robertson predicted a few years in advance that the world would end in the fall of 1982.

Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align as seen from earth, as they do regularly. Nothing unusual happened.

Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Aramageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."

Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.

Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.

Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well indeed.

Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was "super-psychic A.S. Narayana," predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.

Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.

Michael Drosnin, author of "The Bible Code," found a hidden message in the Pentateuch (the first five books in the Bible) that predicts that World War III, involving a worldwide atomic [sic] holocaust, will start in 2000 (or perhaps 2006).

and there are many many many more..... :) :) :)

[Euphoric]

Yeah but this is a prediction that was made 5,000+ years ago. It corresponds to a date set by the mayans, aztecs, hopi, hindus (and many more)

The mayans said the calender began with "The Birth Of Venus" for a long time people were clueless what this meant, until we looked at how earth intersects with Venus. 2012 Is the end of the cycle of The Transit Of Venus. Look it up.

a Transit of Venus occurred in 1518 and 1526. This was the period when Cortez landed on the shores of the Yucatan and wound up conquering the Aztec empire. The next transit was in 1631-â??39. It was followed by a complete stoppage of the sunspot cycle, which lasted for 70 years (science has no explanation for this event). The â??little ice ageâ?? occurred between 1645 and 1720. What do we find associated with the next transit in 1761-â??69? We discover the birth of the American Revolution.

The transit of Venus is just one facet of their advanced astrological calender. Notice also the correlation between sunspots/flares and events.


The Venus Transit will trigger the demise of the 5th Sun and set the stage for the next cycle, the 6th Sun. That is the physical side of the Maya 5th Sun forecast. Unlike many predictions this one is built into the Maya calendar and it can be verified with some historical research. Is the world going to end in a violent crescendo of natural disasters and impacts from cosmic objects? I do not think that is likely nor is it what the Maya predicted.

However, a prolonged period of change is on the horizon that will be ushered in by the 2004 â?? 2012 â??passageâ??. It will culminate in the galactic alignment and complete the precessional cycle at that point.

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/5thsun.htm

[Euphoric]

The impulse for increased consciousness is flowing from deep space, striking your Sun, and affecting the subtle energies of your earth. If humanity is able to rise to a level of spiritual mastery these affects will be decreased, transmuted, and become a source for further elevation.

If humanity is not able to attain this, then the physical act of purification must take place--simply because energy cannot be destroyed. .

http://www.alienshift.com/id129.html

[Not Enough Herb]

lol all i know is on december 21st, 2012, im gonna be sitting on my porch, joint in hand, sunglasses on, waiting for the fireworks.

later

[Euphoric]

Monday september 25 i definatelly have noticed whatever u want to call it the lightwave, its energy, like a cosmic psychic energy shower.. or am i just insane!?

[Krogith]

This undistructble power is called Jehovah God.
This earthly clean-zing is called armagedon.
This new age is the earthly Paradise under Jesus rule

[Inferius]

This undistructble power is called Jehovah God.
This earthly clean-zing is called armagedon.
This new age is the earthly Paradise under Jesus rule

Yah sure if you beleive in those things. Or could you put the makeup on from any other religion with similar ideas.
If nothing happens in 2012, I will lose all faith in spiritual dates of any kind.

[Krogith]

no one knows the day nor the hour of armagedon only Jehovah knows

[ate]

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=82073


Monday september 25 i definatelly have noticed whatever u want to call it the lightwave, its energy, like a cosmic psychic energy shower.. or am i just insane!?


You are likely becoming more aware of your environment!



and there are many many many more.....
__________________


I assure you! You can be confused as much as you like, but it's not going to help you understand what's coming in the future!!

In your lifetime!

[SkatePopwar]

wow

[DopeBOYmagic]

This sounds fun to me i don know about you

but what ate said

only people ahead in their game wil lkeep their physical bodys?

Do you mean people who spend 24/7 worshipping god or what? lol

[ate]

We do not condone religion or any followings.

God is not a following it is a state and a relationship, if you can:

1) Use the word god

2) Use words to describe it.

Which you can't, and still be correct about it.

But it's evolution..here this may help.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5058672332658910022&q=bentov

In fact....that should help everyone a lot,..just find your patience and click the link...you should become interested enough to remain stuck after watching the beginning.

[chris420]

Higher level of consciousness for everyone? Or is mother nature purging out the people that could not withhold this type of clarity and wisdom? This would be a completely transcendental maybe even deadly change if it were to happen suddenly for those people who are obsessed with silly old follies of this physical world.

[ate]

Yes, this is true but these people are alive in the energy sphere through, and around the planet if they are not contained in a conscious body.

So if any humans at all are being birthed from the vortex of energy that exists conscious as non-incarnated beings, to fill a void of space and begin to create beings that have "bloomed" or evolved from the animalistic and planetary state of life, considered primative to the universe.

We begin life on a cosmic level. This does not mean black holes and empty spaces between stars. This means seas of conscious energy that is created by every single planet with conscious beings and every single group of gasses with energy within them, that are directly experienced in more detail than living 10 lives on earth at the present moment.

You just can't gain that kind of experience and energy impression with a simple body and simple mind.

So our bodies are replaced and we are given "wings" to "fly with", in truth we'll simply be extensions of the nature with impregnates this particular planet which go outward from planet earth into the space around it and eventually other other planets, stars, and sub-macro-particles of this universe.

[DopeBOYmagic]

Well wait a sec how is one to evolve from one to another he said the next stage of evolution could appear not to have a physical body how is that possible.

Im very very very confused. lol

[SkatePopwar]

i understand
i think

[ate]

Well wait a sec how is one to evolve from one to another he said the next stage of evolution could appear not to have a physical body how is that possible.

Im very very very confused. lol

Think of the physical as a building block, it always represents something, it combines and integrates proportionally into itself and other things, always with a pattern or underlying symbolism.

The higher understanding of that pattern, or symbolism is what the physical represents. While the energy of the physical can become deteriorated and destroyed the underlying patterns that just formed within and around the physical is simply constant and only being "seen" through the physical. Yet it existence remains unchanged whether the physical is there or not.

Sometimes we need to see, and feel, and sense things directly in order to learn, once we learn what we need to this way, we move onto higher methods of learning. Nothing in the entire physical universe is not contained within this higher method of learning, along with everything that isn't kept within this universe, and the higher state where the higher method of learning exists is only partially represented in patterns and higher methods of the physical reality shaping and forming because it is too vast and expanse to be directly "percieved" or felt down here as we do physically with other things.

So basically we're simply expanding our experience from being just the things you feel in the universe.

To being all the things you could possibly feel in the universe.

To being all the things you could possibly feel in this universe, and also all the things you couldn't feel in this universe.

Just like reversing the poles, flipping reality over and going from a point to a vast circle where an infinitely small level of experience, moves to an infinite large level of experience. IE: instead of one single point representing the experiences in this universe, we experience a circle meaning there is an infinite amount of what was previously just one single repetative experience.

This evolution took 16.4 Billion years. Some can see, most choose not to because they like the physical things. Some choose to see it, yet they can't bring themselves too because they're fearfully attached to physical things. Most people are attached, look at the world look at the commercials look at our outlooks on life and reality.

An infinite universe, with an infinite intelligent affinity revesiour and we managed to make it look like a sandy beached that popped up in the middle of no where with some monkeys on it. It's much more complex than we can comprehend in these bodies. If you want to understand and experience the universe as it really is, then you do the only thing plausible, leave your body.

You don't die. That's a misconception, you don't lose form and body, you just lose this one. The vibrations of matter to this entire universe are kept within a limit of manifest, once you move above or below that limit, then you're either waiting to move into this universe, or you never have to move through it again.

After we finish this "rung" of experience, we never have to return to this level of experience again, we can experience all we want with the same intensity, but if we were to experience physicality in the higher state, it would be like experiencing the circle.

Instead of one point/life at a time, we'd be experiencing many lives simultaneously. Simply put, experience is expanding and we are outgrowing our environment. This is nature, this is evolution.

The only thing you could not like about this is that it's happening so quickly, and on such a large scale. But this is the universe, this is infinity, entire planets change and go off to the real world just as a kid will leave his house hold and get a job in the big city.

[DopeBOYmagic]

Wow about the best responses ive ever seen on any forum.

Anyways I somewhat understand but as you say we dont die we just keep going but in a new form of life but its still you. But where is it that we go? what do we become? or is death the answer that tells you?

[ate]

Death is just a transition to a higher plane, to a higher rate of vibratory existence. When you die your phsyical body disentegrates, yet always remains in time, and your consciousness seperates and returns to the highly energetic and pure existence that it departed from to experience a lowly seperated life in your human body. The physical is for experience, just like a training camp for spiritual beings, once you learn how to create your thoughts perfectly, then you are allowed to once again depart, and you can resonate away from the existence that you come to earth from, and pass through to yet a higher state where your thoughts manifest instantly.

Only with the lessons learned from earth, on creating thoughts, and how if you thinking positively you will live a life abundant of love, and if you think with seperation and disconnection you will live a sorry life which will ultimately teach you to think positively.

Before earth, we do not have such an understanding, as there is no "percieved" "downside" to life. It simply doesn't exist, except in your minds, and to have a mind you must be physical, and so all of this here is simply to learn and experience.

Once we are above this experience, it simply does us no good to remain here, and we actually harm ourselves the longer we are here.

Your consciousness takes nothing but experience from the physical world with it, no items, no money, no gains no nothing, just it's lessons and experience.

Death is the answer, yes, but the goal is to find the answer while still alive, then death is no more, because you will not require another life in a body.

If you want a quantified version of where we'll go, something that you can write down, show your friends or parents or make a documentary about. Then you'll only find it in the scientific version of an interdimensional field. The quantum field of particles in between space as we know it. The entire dimension(the universe as we can "feel" it) is composed of energy which is vibrating on a certain level.

If you were to raise the vibratory rate of your own energy...you would likely become the being, or the object of a universe co-existing as a part of that universe, of a new vibration.

So, you exist as a part of this universe, by vibrating and literally "resonating" with the same frequency down to a molecular, and quantum level, if you were to change this frequency the universe you then existed as a part of would naturally become a new one.

This doesn't mean you and your house and your friends would launch into a new sphere of existence. You would simply move through this universe, and rise into the next, on an entirely different level, thus appearing to this universe to exist on a frequency which is not detectable by the lower human means (physical), yet still exists "wrapped up" in a quantum understanding of the existence itself.

You would still be connected to this universe we are in now, yet only through this quantum connection which exists in every imaginary point in every part of this universe. In essence if you raised your vibrations enough, and your consciousness did not die, but you were skilled in the method of remaining focused and whole and you "ascended" with this body, you would then exist as a part of a higher universe above that this universe is only a part of, and to this universe you'd exist in every single quantia there could be, essentially existing everywhere at every time.

During the upcoming times of change, the old systems are going to collapse, the physical cannot hold our level of consciousnes, with half of the world awake and wanting love, and the other half ready to kill for money and oil the world is very simply going to fall apart in our hands.

When this happens the future will alter greatly and many people's times of experience here will be done, they will return to where they came from. Many people will remain and create the new harmonic human existence, and many people will go beyond all others like I described before, as there time too, will be done.

So the "place" we "go" is a hyperdimension, which exists wrapped around every particle in this dimenion, or universe. The 4th dimension contains everything within this universe, and all other realities of it.

Our state of body will eventually reside in the 5th dimension. It's highly proportional, yet hard to understand if you're looking at it from the wrong angle.

A 2-dimensional being see's one side of the cube at a time, a three-dimensional being sees every side but the sides that are physically covered up at once, and a 4-dimensional being sees the entire cube and every side of it at one time from all three-dimensional angles, as well as every other cube in existence.

It's a bit complicated and I'm not sure this post helped, but please ask again if it's required because I feel compelled to make sure you understand what I am talking about.

[DopeBOYmagic]

I fully understood most of what you had to say but in thought, after you die we become a high vibratory lvl are we just blank molecules until we hit the 5h dimension?

[ate]

That's closer than most people come to it. I'll just say yes.

Before we incarnate into the 3rd dimension, and then evolve, and eventually become highly spiritual physical beings, thus becoming spiritual once again. Creating that loop back to consciousness, or "returning to the source", we are simply thought beings. Pretty much 4-dimensional beings which exist in "no-time", because we are potentials of existence, so we therefore exist in all of time/space.

When we come into existence, we start at the smallest rung of the ladder and work our way up. But before we are a part of seperate physical existence we are "blank molecules" as you put it, in the sense that we exist as one giant entity.

Yet consciously. Now consciously, experientially. We are ourselves. The you that is viewing these words through those eyes in front of the monitor you're looking at now, will always and always has remained. If you were not in your body, you'd remain in existence, just in a state of quantum potential waiting to be made manifest.

After this potential is made a manifest, and then after that manifested form is evolved and worked to be refined emotionally and consciously, it can be pure, and the purest existence that you exist of is pure absolute love/light and that's the 5th dimensional state of existence in which you are consciously in a body and once again (as if you were dead and not-existing (in the 4th dimension) yet you do exist as you still have a body and have maintained focus throughout all of evolution) existing in the creation connected through light, by a faster-than-light quantium level existing at all times and places in existence. That's the goal. And that's the starting point. The only difference is, at the starting point we haven't gained this goal through evolution, we just lived there from the beginning, mixed in with all the other consciousness, while after we incarnate physically we learn valuable lessons of balance and thus gain our position in the higher realm that is connected with all that is.

Kind of like that eternal loop from the source, to the void, back to the source again.

[chris420]

I am overwhelmed with your posts, I am very sure it has been the result of much introspective search, patience and will to understand. Yet, this is what you have achieved by yourself and is wholeheartidly a part of you. I cannot agree with or deny all of what you said because I have not yet experienced enough in the young life my body has lived. I have much to experience in order for my mind to reach an absolutely pure/clean level of consciousness but Im completely assure of being on the path to infinity, because I can clearly sense it.

Could you please explain to me what you think of the 5th dimension and the dimensions following it?

[ate]

I'll try.

[Euphoric]

6480-years of ¼ precession of equinoxes is singular spatial quantum of 4D space, while 5184 (1/4 of orbital precession) is singular time quantum. In other words – 1296 years discrepancy between space and time is instant time, therefore spatial component of time. It’s amount of instant change at the end of time cycle of 5184 years, that’s equal to ¼ of total change affected in course of time. 1296 years is inertial overlap or line of symmetry between space and time, because it’s both – end of time and beginning of space. It’s space/time component in between two different time (or spatial) cycles. It’s gravity of space/time that changes in 129600-year periods.

[Euphoric]

It’s a big error in judgment to regard end of time (21.12.2012 at 11.11 GMT) as a possibility and not as certainty – i.e. as some vague calendrical end of no real consequences, because such attitude is not in tune (resonance) with reality and only resonant harmonics will pass through such membrane between space and time. It is what it is and that particular point in time is beginning of the end of present sequence and only what’s resonant with inertial source continues building of a double space/time helix. Only fractality is real, hence only perfect self-same replica of inertial source does not cancel out with different frequencies but multiplies by incorporation of two opposite waves into one larger wave (i.e. C/(1/C)=C², where C –light speed, hence incorporation of space within/space without into double space or mass of such empty space). Only perfect symmetry or equality between equal opposites, where one incorporates another are building blocks (sequences) of double helix. The rest is empty (non-resonant) space/time in which it is embedded. Only love that incorporates fear is larger love and only love is real because it’s resonance between equal opposites or perfect self-similarity with its inertial source. Therefore, it’s essential to understand fractality as true reality or only reality there is, because only such understanding opens the door of understanding how to align one’s own reality with its singular source and hence achieve resonance or victory of life over death. Fractality is surmounting one’s own mortality. It’s achieving transformation of spiritual into physical or materialization of one’s own soul – birth of new soul in which past soul becomes its physical body.
source (http://www.prophetsmanual.com/content/index.cfm?navID=14&itemID=14)

[ate]

Could you please explain to me what you think of the 5th dimension and the dimensions following it?

All dimensions represent states of being and reality first of all.

The fifth dimension is one much more refined, as to the true element of all consciousness and life in the universe. Life is like a scale of consciousness, with the more condensed and the more quickly vibrating the energy and substance becomes experentially, the more you could say it's condensing or moving to one point in what you would call the "center" of the universe physically. The more condense, and the more of this "energy" there is, the lighter and finer it becomes.

Things are dense, slow moving and of a lower vibration in the third, or physical dimension. The dimensions are expressed by the vibratory rate of the molecules and particles which create your being, and your consciousness.

They express themselves at different fields/levels/rates in different ways, for instance you can see a physical entity because it's moving slow enough for your physical senses to recieve the energy of, a non-physical entity is imply moving too fast and exists on a level above the eyes and the senses of a physical entity. Although to the high entity, it's world is just as physical, it's just as 'solid' and real to it, although the laws will become progressively different the farther the gap there is between the levels, and there are infinite levels. Although there are obviously groups of them.

For instance we could be on the third viewing life, and then move to the 8th. This would eventually be our path.

Yet after the 8th, we'd move on the first of another even higher level. So in essence we'd start an entirely new octave, or range of levels, never the same, always increasing. Reality is literally the biggest thing you can't imagine.

So for the 4 and 5th level. Our view of compounded reality would be expressed through our current understanding of what we call a "higher dimension", we move through time. So in the 4th all of time would become on single experience, one single moment. No death, no life, just EXISTENCE, and I AMness. For the 5th it would be no different. Although in the 4th we still have the ability to experience what ever we want. We just know now, after all those years of living like an animal on earth, that you don't think bad thoughts, or you're going to experience the outcome of those on earth. In the 4th, you'll experience them instantly.

So let's say as we get more refined, as the training becomes more apparent...in the 5th, we no longer have the "ability" if you want to call it that, to think bad thoughts. We can experience these things in the 4th, to learn, just like we do in the third, although they are no where near as ultimately 'dense' and "un-expected" as they are on earth when you get into a car accident, or become a victim of something you didn't see coming, consciously. In the fourth we see all that is planned, in all of time, and we still experience those seemingly denser and negative events in the over view.

For the 5th. The only way to explain this would be to imagine that there is no such thing as a 'negative' or a 'dense' event, or experience. That the purest of light and love is the only thing that is experienced, witnessed or seen.

Now. That doesn't mean you're blind to the people that get murdered, or something bad. That means you're perspective has changed so deeply, that any event, and any experience, no matter what it is, is completely and absolutely perfect on a loving level, and all things are connected with a loving god source of all creation within, and much much more.

So we experience in the 4th dimension, all of time.

In the 5th, we experience all of time the way it TRULY is, in the form of PURE LOVE AND LIGHT, there is other experience that this, because we see it as the truth, there is no "wrong" in the universe, it's perfect.

Although, there's more to the experience than that, I'm assuming I'm/you/we are either kept from that because it's not our time, or because we simply cannot understand the depth of it.

So just now. The feeling of waking up in the morning, or having the most loving experience of your life, is like all eternity in the fifth, and in the 4th, all eternity is yours to choose how you experience.

[chris420]

Is there any evolutionary limitation for third dimensional awareness? Is death the bridge for our energy/spirit to be able to transform into something else, other forms of life or experience perhaps?
People born today with unordinary psychic powers and that have the ability to manipulate matter in any way are born with a completely open awareness to the core of our existance and the energetic drive of our transitory experience here on earth which is undoubtedly a part of something much larger, and enigmatic, unfathomable to our awareness. These evolved few could be compared to historical figures like jesus, gautama, etc. Are they spiritual rarities or could any human being achieve that level of consciousness by experiencing life in a much simpler, clean and conscious manner...?
..I can ask myself infinite questions that I know will not be answered during much of my lifetime or even during my entire lifetime as this piece of matter called chris, these are a few of those questions. Our there any limitations to dimensional awareness ? Is there such thing as never ending experience, or is it possible to become absolutely omniscious about everything in its integrity?

[ate]

Every dimension exists because it is limited, the only way to perceive no limitations is to move out of that way of viewing life.

Instead of being "in the universe", would would move outside of "it", and view "it" as a whole, that would be our "life experience", viewing all things inside of it.

This should make sense on your own without me making sense of it. If a dimension, or a "plane" of existence is seperate from all other existences and there for a "plane" or a "dimension" then it is limited.

The only way to remove those limitations is to move above that plane, onto the next.

They are infinite.

Death brings us back to our origins before time, and physical incarnation.

This is a big step, because we see this entire universe as we know it, as physical, so effectively, we might be moving to the point of space/time that existed before the universe we are in now, became manifested.

When we re-enter this universe, we must act as if we never left, we continue on linearly, until we can understand, in this plane, what it is like from that original view which is present in "death".

The point is to forget as you enter into this universe, and then re-remember your origins, and learn from the enirety of the experience. This takes millions of years at first, but eventually the process accelerates, and we gain speed and evolutionary "momentum".

Think of it this way.

Human existence is just an extension of the first kind of existence of this planet, and the space that it's in.

All of it is connected, as if they are all communicating with the one directly next to each other (the stages of existence), and can see up and down the line. We planned our existence from this pre-manifested state, as the energy which brought the matter of the planet together, and the sun which provided other stabilities for life. In this state, our current life was planned.

When we die, we re-enter this state, as an unmanifested being, only existing as the construct on which the energy resides, electromagnetic fields, as well as other fields which our scientists cannot detect. We are bound to the earth, because until we can become independent, this is our "breeding ground", we evolve away from it once we can comprehend life outside of it.

In order to comprehend life outside of the planet, we must first experience the planet, and we do this physically through incarnation, either as the animals and rocks, or as a conscious human being. Conscious human beings (from the first one's, to now), self-aware, are the first states of awareness, limited physically, until one's mind becomes aware enough to realize the true nature of the universe. Which is not that the universe creates consciousness, but that consciousness creates the universe and your choice decides everything about what you experience. It is presented to you in a totally infinitely possible way, and there are no impossibilities. Without learning this, the world beyond earth will simply be too much handle.

Any conscious being can acheive anything they desire. The trick is to make sure that you, as the conscious being, is desiring it. And not your body alone.

You can answer any question..that you think to ask yourself. It's a mathematical proportionate, that your brain can imagine the counterpart to anything you imagine. It's expandable. An open imagination is key, along with patience to allow this imagination to work.

All existence that is physical is limited. All existence that IS is limited.

It is very possible to come to the state of NOT IS, but not until you desire it.

There is never a time in which one stops experiencing the universe, and all other universes. One is constantly connected to everything, including other universes and realities. Your "self" is a convergence point for all of them, including your body, which will also manifest awareness from other dimensions and universes. Finding balance with your body, will allow you to make contact with your consciousness, and thus the rest of your existence.

"Is there such thing as never ending experience, or is it possible to become absolutely omniscious about everything in its integrity?"

This is the goal, although there is an infinite amount of "everything" to which we become omniscious about.

[chris420]

I appreciate your replies, they have been very simple and clear, yet so meaningful.

With the infinite amount of experiences to sense, the only way to become omnicious is to transform into those experiences. Would this be the ultimate transformation of energy in evolutionary terms ?

[ate]

I appreciate your replies, they have been very simple and clear, yet so meaningful.

With the infinite amount of experiences to sense, the only way to become omnisious is to transform into those experiences. Would this be the ultimate transformation of energy in evolutionary terms ?

Sensing experience through a body, is different than observing experience through another means.

Our sensory experience is bounded to the physical, we may return if we wish to anytime, for all of time, in fact we just have (Where do you think you came from? :))v

Now, we have sensory experience, physical, and non-sensory experience consciousness awareness.

One or the other.

Except for when we're here. Yet this state is not real, because we will die in it. Once we secure our ability to maintain survival, by being able to withstand large experiences of the energy which creates this universe on all levels, then we have evolved passed limited physical experience. This is done by upgrading the body...yet you can't until you upgrade the mind, because once the awareness is born in the body (think apes) it has the uncanny ability to forget it's origins and believe it is the body. (Veil of conscious/subconscious awareness, for our learning experience)

The consciousness knows only the present moment, based on all things sensory, detailed in survival and making sure the body eats the right things, and is around all the right things and so on and so forth so it can survive.

In order to reach such a high level of evolution, where the individual itself is actually taking over the reigns of evolution, and becoming the "evolver" themselves, one's self-aware consciousness must learn how the universe works which is what evolution and it's processes are based upon.

So before on the planet there was physical. Now. . .for us, before the planet there was only consciousness, no bodies, no physical experience. And so for us consciousness experience fluxes into a physical, and for the physical it becomes conscious. We can only remain in this state for a limited amount of time, as this is a lower state, we have "leases" on the bodies, because the true owner must understand that we know how to operate the body well enough to ensure that if we get a "full ownership", we won't go don't harm to it or others. So we run trial tests, to work our way up.

The goal is to fully mix consciousness with the physical, and in the end turn that physicality into consciousness. So what you are gaining in this place is experience, which gathers and is taken from this universe, and literally adds to your original conscious being, and enlarges, or expands it's experience and understanding of the universe.

Being a conscious being, and non-physical, is just like being a human without a body.

We cannot think perfectly there, just like we can't here. And until we can here, we will not be able to there.

This is represented by the fact that we come back to this place over a course, and every single time for many times, (although some have done it the first try) the sheer variability of this place, and mind boggling possibility will lead us astray and cause us to lose focus, forget, and advance slowly in a sort of "sleep walking" state. So our minds are just the same, although, once we can handle the bodies here with ease, we can get the full lease. Well the same thing happens in higher space, there is a counter part, once you exist for a very longer time, your consciousness which is residing in a non-physical universe connected to this one through means of acceptance and decision gains experience.

Once you have the body to do anything, you can then utilize the mind, and you can literally think anything, and then experience it instantly. Jumping from one reality to another, to one physical experience to another.

If you are experiencing right now, question whether a consciousness from another reality, which is larger than yours in your body, but only the conundrum of all of yours from all the realities, bodies, and experiences you contain, and from that point on you are becoming conscious of the larger field of reality, and you can begin to tap into it, showing the higher counter part to your conscious existence, that you have learned something about this universe, and are ready to advance. The physical reality you exist in only falls into place after the mind, and there is no "hard" work to be done, only focusing.