Top Ten Things from the USA that I Love !!

[psychocat]

Since a lot of people here seem to think I am anti american because I don't agree with what your goverment does, heres something to help strike a balance and to dispel the idea that I dislike something just because it's American. Some of my favourite things are exports from what I consider one of the places in the world with a massive amount of natural beauty, The Grand Canyon never ceases to amaze me.

1 ~ Alice Cooper born in Detroit :thumbsup:
2 ~ Steve Tyler born in Yonkers New York.
3 ~ The Ramones Dee Dee was born in Virginia.
4 ~ My Name is Earl Brilliance
5 ~ The Grand Canyon
6 ~ The Golden Gate Bridge
7 ~ South Park of course
8 ~ The Model T Ford probably the best base for a hotrod. :D :cool:
9 ~ The Wright Brothers
10 ~ And last but IMO certainly not least the king of rock himself Mr Elvis Aaron Presley

This list isn't in any particular order just the ones that come to mind and it's subject to change because I don't just like ten things there are others and when I get the time I may well update it.:rasta:

Please add your own versions and please don't hijack this thread to make any negative points lets have something positive because I really don't believe theres a single person out there who doesn't like something American.:thumbsup:

[beachguy in thongs]

1- Cheese
2- Beer

Ok, I'm stopping. It's, only, that we're culturally diverse that makes us different. Recently, the closest people in my life have grown up, either, half a country, a whole country, or a continent away.

I mean, I like American Cheese and American Beer, but I love Beck's and Molson Canadians, and Mozzarella Cheese.

[Fabolous]

1-Our President, (O how can you hate him, he such a good man in office :p )

[psychocat]

1-Our President, (O how can you hate him, he such a good man in office :p )


Because he's a warmonger and psychopath perhaps.

[Psycho4Bud]

1- Cheese
2- Beer

Ok, I'm stopping. It's, only, that we're culturally diverse that makes us different. Recently, the closest people in my life have grown up, either, half a country, a whole country, or a continent away.

I mean, I like American Cheese and American Beer, but I love Beck's and Molson Canadians, and Mozzarella Cheese.

Welcome to Wisconsin!:D

[CocaCola]

Since a lot of people here seem to think I am anti american because I don't agree with what your goverment does, heres something to help strike a balance and to dispel the idea that I dislike something just because it's American. Some of my favourite things are exports from what I consider one of the places in the world with a massive amount of natural beauty, The Grand Canyon never ceases to amaze me.

1 ~ Alice Cooper born in Detroit :thumbsup:
2 ~ Steve Tyler born in Yonkers New York.
3 ~ The Ramones Dee Dee was born in Virginia.
4 ~ My Name is Earl Brilliance
5 ~ The Grand Canyon
6 ~ The Golden Gate Bridge
7 ~ South Park of course
8 ~ The Model T Ford probably the best base for a hotrod. :D :cool:
9 ~ The Wright Brothers
10 ~ And last but IMO certainly not least the king of rock himself Mr Elvis Aaron Presley
Those people are just people... and not anything more... and the Grand Canyon is awesome... it's a big natural, earthly progression. Unlike most things American...

You shouldn't have to defend youself from these people just because you understand that Government is fucked up and they CAN'T.


1- Cheese
2- Beer

Ok, I'm stopping. It's, only, that we're culturally diverse that makes us different. Recently, the closest people in my life have grown up, either, half a country, a whole country, or a continent away.

I mean, I like American Cheese and American Beer, but I love Beck's and Molson Canadians, and Mozzarella Cheese.

American beer and cheese? Really? Cause internation beer and cheese is considered amongst more beer and cheese fans to better... because Amercan products really really suck and are poorly made... mass produced products for your personsal enjoyment in the safety of you own home.

Wow, that would make a good commercial for American beer.

[Big Calhoun]

OK, maybe not 10 things 'from' the USA, but...

1. Our cultural diversity - encourages explorartion and learning.
2. Our independent heritage - we can do it our damn selves.
3. Pioneering use of technology - we're not afraid of it.
4. Our freedom - it's not totally free, but it is worse elsewhere.
5. Our reconciliation - As a nation, we have progressed from our past mistakes.
6. Our justice system - It's not perfect, but most time it works. If you gotta do dirt, then be smart enough not to get caught. It could be worse.
7. Our people - most of us seem to grow collectively in many ways, there are things that are 'American' that our common within us.
8. the Great State of Texas - I'm not a native, but damn, I love it here.
9. The South - unique region, vast heritage, geographically diverse, home.
10. Brooklyn, NYC - I've been to many cities including overseas. New York is THE city....Bed Stuy Brooklyn, STAND UP, RWHAA RWHAA!!

[psychocat]

I don't really care what people think of me , I am happy with who and what I am, I was just trying to add a little balance because whenever I discuss the US I seem to end up talking politics and I am afraid that the foriegn policy and the bullying tactics used against other nations gives me plenty of ammunition , I am not anti American just aware that there are a lot of things wrong with America trying to take the moral high ground.

Having said that I would like to add that Mount Rushmore is certainly an impressive piece of work.

[beachguy in thongs]

American beer and cheese? Really? Cause internation beer and cheese is considered amongst more beer and cheese fans to better... because Amercan products really really suck and are poorly made... mass produced products for your personsal enjoyment in the safety of you own home.

Wow, that would make a good commercial for American beer.
You dipwad, I said I liked it. But I love Canadian (Molson)and German (Beck's) and Mozzarella.

[CocaCola]

What makes American beer so great? (I'm not big on cheese so whatever)

My point is, what is "better" about American beer... what is it that it has that international beet doesn't?

[haze kr]

comments about america that are so generalistic are not fair.sometime we don't know who we put into power...but we can learn from our mistakes.....
now here's my list:
1.big macs
2.jordans
3.the LA lakers
4.south beach (in miami baby!!)
5.tivo
6.capitalizm
7.the civil rights laws of the 60's (still workin on it though)
"puff" "puff" .....what was i doing..........oh yeah!!..........if i get 3 more i'll post it.

[Psycho4Bud]

What makes American beer so great? (I'm not big on cheese so whatever)

My point is, what is "better" about American beer... what is it that it has that international beet doesn't?

We do have the home to the worlds largest 5-pack....LaCrosse Wisconsin.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[beachguy in thongs]

Obviously, coke, I don't think it's better if I "like" it and "love" Molson's and Beck's. I love Samuel Adams, though. And Yuengling, of course.

[CocaCola]

Well, then I don't see the reason to glorify American beer. I mean, for the sake of this threads existence, sure... reason enough anyway.

And oh great... a big stack of wasted space... I wonder how much "obstruction" they had to remove before building that, Psycho. ;)

[Psycho4Bud]

Well, then I don't see the reason to glorify American beer. I mean, for the sake of this threads existence, sure... reason enough anyway.

And oh great... a big stack of wasted space... I wonder how much "obstruction" they had to remove before building that, Psycho. ;)


You don't know Wisconsin...hell, they probably built the town around it!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[CocaCola]

LOL, grand central Wisconsin?

[Psycho4Bud]

We take great pride in our cheese also!:thumbsup:

[tadaa]

1. free speech
2. the greatest empire the world has seen to date
3. right to bear arms
4. so many great places to live here


I could name a ton of things I love, and a ton I hate. Overall, it's a pretty good deal here.

[Kryzco]

my list, subject to change

1 chicago, just wish the laws weren't as strict
2 metallica
3 bill clinton
4 pop culture, it entertains me to know that our country cares more about celeb babies than the fuckin war
5 dave chappelle, george carlin, bill maher
6 the freedoms we used to have
7 coca cola
8 the diversity here
9 penn & tellers bullshit
10 i can't think of any more at the moment


yeah I know my list is lame, but I'm bored and sleep deprived

[MaryJaneintheCloset]

I like it here enough that I don't think I'd move to another country... but a lot of things here do suck. :cool:

[Kitty Kat]

Certain things are ok here & other things suck.

[Ripper]

im britsh but i like

1) the music (country especialy)
2)levis
3) Harleys
4)Budweiser
5)The Grateful Dead
6)Hemmingway
7)Hunter s Thompson
8)M.A.D. magazine
9) the Daily Show
10) Malboro Lights
and Southern Comfort and Johhny Walker

Peace Rips

[UnViaje]

fukk yeah, budweiser, everclear gin
birthplace of rock n rap

[beachguy in thongs]

I'd have to say The Catskills (with more than 30 peaks above 3,500 feet), The Adirondacks (and the 2.3 million acres of State Park), a certain U.S. route that goes over Mt. Monterey, (et al), Lake George, driving down the Hudson Valley to New York City and seeing the layers of billions of years of sediment, looking out at the ocean when you're in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel, accessiblity, diversity, and complexity.

[friendowl]

1] you can get free shit by fucking up your credit
2] you can never work a day in your life and get paid [welfare,GR,disability]
3] you can go homeless and be fat [99 cent menu and 2 beers for a dollar]
4] you can kill someone and be out in less than 10 years.[if neccesary]
5] you can go to las vegas and order 5 girls to your hotel room [legally]
6] there is an abundance of lonely single women that are easily manipulated
7] you can go to a doctor and get better drugs than are on the street
8] yosemite national park is here.[1 of the most beautiful spots on earth]
9] when i reach a certain age i will get money to do nothing [retire]
10] the marijuana

[poorprincess]

i love the freedoms I have and the fact that I can at least pretend my opinions about politics matter by voting

new orleans, mardi gras

the fact that the police cant enter my home without a warrent is cool

I do think it sucks that you have to be 21 to drink but you can join the army and die in a war at 18...

[daima]

Since a lot of people here seem to think I am anti american because I don't agree with what your goverment does, heres something to help strike a balance and to dispel the idea that I dislike something just because it's American. Some of my favourite things are exports from what I consider one of the places in the world with a massive amount of natural beauty, The Grand Canyon never ceases to amaze me.

1 ~ Alice Cooper born in Detroit :thumbsup:
2 ~ Steve Tyler born in Yonkers New York.
3 ~ The Ramones Dee Dee was born in Virginia.
4 ~ My Name is Earl Brilliance
5 ~ The Grand Canyon
6 ~ The Golden Gate Bridge
7 ~ South Park of course
8 ~ The Model T Ford probably the best base for a hotrod. :D :cool:
9 ~ The Wright Brothers
10 ~ And last but IMO certainly not least the king of rock himself Mr Elvis Aaron Presley

This list isn't in any particular order just the ones that come to mind and it's subject to change because I don't just like ten things there are others and when I get the time I may well update it.:rasta:

Please add your own versions and please don't hijack this thread to make any negative points lets have something positive because I really don't believe theres a single person out there who doesn't like something American.:thumbsup:

Henry Ford was awarded, by Hitler, The German Cross. The highest award that a non-german could recieve. Ford was a hater and also ran an antisemetic newspaper in Detroit. He was a Hitler supporter.

Elvis? drugged out pill popping psycho.

And your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore
They're already over-crowded from your dirty litte wars
Now Jesus dont like killing no matter what the reasons for
And your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore

What do i like about americA?
i LIKE THE 3OOO-5000 Year old old growth redwoods, but america is cutting them down to make houses, toilet paper and paper towels

dai*ma:stoned:

Freeway through a Reservation
Make way for a brand new nation
big ideas we got brand new plans
heaven knows we need this land

We're going to build big, high, and wide
City streets through countrysides
Chemicals and pesticides

Hey Red man dont waste our time
we're young and strong, we got hills to climb
There's a lot of room but we need it all
For slave trade and shopping malls
Gonna build big factories with paper plates and plastic trees
Styrofoam and antifreeze

We came out of the ragin' sea
To claim some place where we'd be free
We got hopeful hearts and working hands and
heaven knows we need this land
'Cause the world needs landfills, diet pills, and paper mills
We need country clubs and oil spills

Freeway through a reservation
make way for a brand new nation
big ideas we got brand new plans
Heaven knows we need this land for superbowls
subway rides, remote controls and pesticides
Gang related homicides

Keep on rockin' in the free world brothers and sisters.:thumbsup:

[Deloused]

I like the ignorance best!

[daima]

I like the ignorance best!
lmao
if ignorance could be admired i would admire that hell out of america

dai*ma

[daima]

i love the freedoms I have and the fact that I can at least pretend my opinions about politics matter by voting

new orleans, mardi gras

the fact that the police cant enter my home without a warrent is cool

I do think it sucks that you have to be 21 to drink but you can join the army and die in a war at 18...

wake-up. secret searches are alive and well in amerikkka.
They CAN enter your home without a warrant, read your e-mails without a warrant, and check your mail/phone records without a warrant.
If you ever are challenged by the police at your door make sure you dont open it at all. Make'em break it down, at least you will have some evidence that you didnt ALLOW them in...whatever that may be worth.:(

dai*ma

[minnesota man]

Ya know I tried to do this but I can't. Best what? Football team? Best weather? Economy? Resources? Girlies? What? I think you are making fun.
I can tell you this, I am an American and I like it! I've been able to live in 5 different areas in America. There's enough to do and opprotunity to do anything. It's not perfect. Plenty of homeless, jobless, abused.

I don't watch television. (I do watch Spongebob and Fairly Odd Parents because I have to) I read online, listen to the radio and watch movies but I have no idea what the news is on TV. Why? Because it's BS. They are companies selling product. Ratings increase with bad news. If it bleeds, it leads. The problem with the world is its perception with America. I'm fine with people hating America. I don't have a problem with it. If they don't have a problem, then there is no fucking problem. But I do know that when I'm angry, I do stupid shit. And all the people hating on America makes, well I don't like people hating stuff because I hate hating stuff and I see everybody as my brothers. Wait. I forget.:stoned:

[Psycho4Bud]

wake-up. secret searches are alive and well in amerikkka.
They CAN enter your home without a warrant, read your e-mails without a warrant, and check your mail/phone records without a warrant.
If you ever are challenged by the police at your door make sure you dont open it at all. Make'em break it down, at least you will have some evidence that you didnt ALLOW them in...whatever that may be worth.:(

dai*ma


Fengzi, need I say more?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[andyandy]

Those people are just people... and not anything more... and the Grand Canyon is awesome... it's a big natural, earthly progression. Unlike most things American...

You shouldn't have to defend youself from these people just because you understand that Government is fucked up and they CAN'T.



American beer and cheese? Really? Cause internation beer and cheese is considered amongst more beer and cheese fans to better... because Amercan products really really suck and are poorly made... mass produced products for your personsal enjoyment in the safety of you own home.

Wow, that would make a good commercial for American beer.

all this anti american sentiment u get from some Candians really pisses me off....its so lazy and self gratificational....there's plenty of anti-american feeling this side of the atlantic too....kinda stupid really cos we all watch US tv shows, listen to US music, eat US food and buy US goods...:)

my top 10 reasons to love America

The Simpsons....
Jon Stewart.....
NASA
Texas holdem
Anthony Kiedis
basketball
Kurt Cobain
hot dogs
Southpark....
chevys

:) :) :) :)

[OtterPop]

1.) The diversity of girls to choose from
2.) Right to bear arms
3.) Its the land of opportunity
4.) The diversity of assholes/pricks(they come in all shapes and sizes, full of surpises)
5.) The marijuana
6.) Our fuckin locc'ed out military(Only thing about it I like)
7.) What little freedoms we have left
8.) Our great citizens that bitch about gas but then load up their SUV's
9.) Our fuggered up law system in which money clears your name
10.) Our diversity of porn haha

[OtterPop]

i love the freedoms I have and the fact that I can at least pretend my opinions about politics matter by voting

new orleans, mardi gras

the fact that the police cant enter my home without a warrent is cool

I do think it sucks that you have to be 21 to drink but you can join the army and die in a war at 18...

Get with the program, what little freedoms you have left are at stake....

Im glad you like to PLAY politics and that it actually makes someone happy to pretend....

New orleans is now a giant shithole, wonder why

IF IF IF they really wanted to they could do it for whatever reason they deemed fit, they dont need warrants anymore thanks to Bush. Just dont be a terrorist!

So basically all your reasons for loving Amerika are flawed....super!

[psychocat]

Lux Interior and Poison Ivy Rorscach

http://www.mk-magazine.com/news/archives/000854.php

Zippo lighters !

[Breukelen advocaat]

I'd have to say The Catskills (with more than 30 peaks above 3,500 feet), The Adirondacks (and the 2.3 million acres of State Park), a certain U.S. route that goes over Mt. Monterey, (et al), Lake George, driving down the Hudson Valley to New York City and seeing the layers of billions of years of sediment, looking out at the ocean when you're in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel, accessiblity, diversity, and complexity.

Exactly!

I posted some information, with pictures, of upper New York State, including the Catskills, last year.

I have family roots in New York State that go way back to the early Dutch, Palatines from Germany, and then Colonial-period people that migrated from New England to NYS in the 18th Century. A lot of people living today have ancestors with similar migration patterns in the distant past.

As much as I love NYC, the most beautiful scenery is north of the City. We don't hear the word "Pioneers" much for NYS, but there were plenty - and they had just as much of a task surviving as did their fellow trailblazers in other parts of the country.

[OtterPop]

Forgot to mention I love how the USA isnt very old but it still up at the top of the ranks above others that have been around tenfold longer

Wonder why??

[Breukelen advocaat]

Forgot to mention I love how the USA isnt very old but it still up at the top of the ranks above others that have been around tenfold longer

Wonder why??


Because the Founding Fathers were probably the greatest group of minds, with common goals, ever assembled in history.

[Malakai 420]

1. free speech
2. the greatest empire the world has seen to date
3. right to bear arms
4. so many great places to live here


I could name a ton of things I love, and a ton I hate. Overall, it's a pretty good deal here.

:cool: :rasta: Tadaa, your an ass, i love america and all, i mean, i live here, born and raised, never left."1. free speech", hardly, bush recently admitted to using illegal wire taps on american phone lines and intercepting emails to and from american citizens. "2. the greatest empire the world has seen to date", are you kidding, Rome stretched across the globe. "3. right to bear arms" This is true, except for the fact that our gun regulations are a joke. Criminals dont register guns, and somehow theres more criminals with guns than registered citizens. Which carries on into "4. so many great places to live here", with all the guns and weapons in hands of criminals, no matter how "great" a place is, the crime rate is much higher than it should be.

That aside, i love america, because the pro's outweigh the cons. And for all the posts to come about not posting just to bash someone elses opinion, this was not meant to bash. Simply acknowledging a concern that many foreign countries seem to share. Americans are arrogant. Just trying to show that there is good and bad in everything. Not to mention, if amsterdam and canada can decriminalize marijuana, the U.S. should have been right behind them. We all know it, and love it, so legalize it. Nuff said.:thumbsup: :dance:

[andyandy]

Because the Founding Fathers were probably the greatest group of minds, with common goals, ever assembled in history.

lol.....can we have some perspective here? sure the constitutuion was a well written document full of great ideals of liberty and equality....but it was a concept founded on the work of great renaissance philosophers.....
indeed if you want to look for "great minds" on ideals on liberty an eqaulity then why stop there? - lao tsu was around 2600 years ago and he pretty much nailed it. The founding fathers were intelligent men but hardly worthy of some quasi-religious elevation to the most divinely intelligent group in history.....:)

[Breukelen advocaat]

lol.....can we have some perspective here? sure the constitutuion was a well written document full of great ideals of liberty and equality....but it was a concept founded on the work of great renaissance philosophers.....
indeed if you want to look for "great minds" on ideals on liberty an eqaulity then why stop there? - lao tsu was around 2600 years ago and he pretty much nailed it. The founding fathers were intelligent men but hardly worthy of some quasi-religious elevation to the most divinely intelligent group in history.....:)

I do not equate religious thinking with intellect. I did not use terms, in reference to the Founding Fathers, such as "divinely intelligent", nor did my statement reflect a "quasi-religious elevation". In fact, the Founding Fathers were themselves very secular in their approach to the type of government that they created. All I did was state my opinion that they were possibly the greatest "group" of men assembled in history - and the word "greatest" certainly does not, at least in my interpretation, have the slightest ring of religion, or religiosity, to it.

Just because they were educated, and intelligent, enough to be influenced by ideas and works from the great masters of philosophy, science, art, politics, and other subjects does not diminish their contribution -it enhanced and improved it.

[andyandy]

I do not equate religious thinking with intellect. I did not use terms, in reference to the Founding Fathers, such as "divinely intelligent", nor did my statement reflect a "quasi-religious elevation". In fact, the Founding Fathers were themselves very secular in their approach to the type of government that they created. All I did was state my opinion that they were possibly the greatest "group" of men assembled in history - and the word "greatest" certainly does not, at least in my interpretation, have the slightest ring of religion, or religiosity, to it.

Just because they were educated, and intelligent, enough to be influenced by ideas and works from the great masters of philosophy, science, art, politics, and other subjects does not diminish their contribution -it enhanced and improved it.

well....to claim that the founding fathers were the greatest grouping of minds in the history of mankind is certainly putting them on a pretty high pedestal.....when i refer to their status as quasi-religious i am refering to the myth that has been built up around them to serve the needs of US patriotism...its not enough for the US to have been founded by some really smart men, no! they have to be the smartest men ever to have walked the planet, and so by this inference the US is the greatest accomplishment of mankind....Their status is indeed quasi-religious because like catholic saints before them they have been elevated from the realm of the ordinary to the extraordinary in order to perpetuate a myth....and like Catholic saints to the church, to criticise or denigrate them is to blaspheme against the American dream, the American way - even America itself.....
there's plenty of religious symbolism in the US deference to the founding fathers....indeed you could draw parallels with the christian concept of god and the depiction of the group....
both exceptionally wise.....
both exceptionally good....
starting again with a new slate after all the failures of the old world to create a new beginning for mankind....
:) :) :)

i'll be happy if you just admit that the founding fathers whilst undoubtly clever men, were not in fact the cleverest group of men ever to walk this planet....its really not too much to ask :thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

What other country in the world has, in just a couple of hundred years, come up with such things as jazz, atomic power, equal rights for people of all persuasions, free education through high school, the first man on the moon, the greatest military in the world, and so many more things? These things did not "just happen". The systems and intellectual concepts that were started, nurtured and promoted by Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc., were extremely well thought-out and intended for long-term flexibility. THAT is something you can't find anywhere else in the world! Jefferson and Franklin alone are worth more than the greatest minds of many civilizations combined.

Just do a google search of things that Franklin invented, or discovered, and try to tell me that he wasnâ??t the type of genius that only comes around once every few thousand years - IF the human race is lucky enough to get any more like him. A few of his inventions and discoveries include the lightening rod, bifocals, and an improved odometer.

Here's a few of the things that Thomas Jefferson invented, or improved:
http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://cti.itc.virginia.edu/%7Emeg3c/classes/tcc313/200Rprojs/jefferson%5Finvent/invent.html

He also wrote the Declaration of Independence, among many other things.

[andyandy]

What other country in the world has, in just a couple of hundred years, come up with such things as jazz, atomic power, equal rights for people of all persuasions, free education through high school, the first man on the moon, the greatest military in the world, and so many more things? These things did not "just happen". The systems and intellectual concepts that were started, nurtured and promoted by Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc., were extremely well thought-out and intended for long-term flexibility. THAT is something you can't find anywhere else in the world! Jefferson and Franklin alone are worth more than the greatest minds of many civilizations combined.


hate to break it to you but the sundial, the clock, printing press, bookstand and bed were all kicking around long before Jefferson came along :)

with regards to rapid developments in a couple of hundred years - well most people would regard the industrial revolution in the UK 1700-1900 as a far more profound period of invention and developement socially, culturally and technologically....
as i highlighted before the founding fathers didnt "invent" free rights or equality - they were concepts that had been around for a long time - and the bill of rights was merely a progression of the growing enlightened thought of the era.....
Jefferson falls down on so many levels as the greatest mind ever....
if you want a philosospher with a profound impact on civilisation then there are plenty of great minds to choose from - buddha, lao tsu, socrates, plato, descartes,
If you want an inventor with a profound impact - well, there's edison, tessla, leonardo for a start.....
in the field of science - well Newton, Einstein, Darwin, hippocrates......

lets agree - jefferson was a clever guy - very clever - but neither philosophically, technologically or scientifically did he do enough to merit consideration as the greatest mind in human history.......

and with regards to your listing of the greatest achievements of the US in the last 200 years - i think you've sold yourself a bit short if the best you could come up with was nuclear weapons and jazz :) :) :)

[Breukelen advocaat]

If you don't appreciate jazz, then there's nothing that I can say! :thumbsup:

The Beatles got their music from American sources - and most other British rock acts including the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Rod Stewart etc. did the same. I like a lot of it, and listen to it, but they didn't "invent" it, either.

The government of the U.S. is what we were talking about, and YES I brought up the accomplisments of Jefferson and Franklin.

Franklin was the influence behind many an inventor - they all had nothing but praise for him. I guess that you know better. :dance:

Even old King George, after we won the War of Independecne, praised George Washington in a manner that is surprising. Again, I guess that YOU kinow better. :dance:

[psychocat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution

Yeah Britain sure made a lot of changes.

[andyandy]

Franklin was the influence behind many an inventor - they all had nothing but praise for him. I guess that you know better. :dance:

Even old King George, after we won the War of Independecne, praised George Washington in a manner that is surprising. Again, I guess that YOU kinow better. :dance:

all im saying is that its a pretty high pedestal you've put the founding fathers on...and that there's no need for such hyperbole - they were undoubtly very clever men who have had a big influence on the development of the US and as result the world....no argument there from me....its just that they werent the greatest human minds ever.....in my opinion at least.....
guess we can agree to disagree lol :) :) :)

[Breukelen advocaat]

"Clever" sounds like a put-down. This wasn't a "game" to these people - they risked their lives for their ideas. Washington would have been hung had he been captured, because he had served in the military for the British. Franklin was much more than "Clever", and the bravery that Washington possessed was admired around the world.

Coming up with the lightning rod by itself would have been enough to immortalize Ben Franklin. He was not, by the way, gung-ho for the Revolution in the beginning - but most of his colleagues were, so he went for it. If you ever go to Philadelphia, be sure to visit the exhibition dedicated to him, in the area where he lived and worked. It's very impressive, and there are numerous exhibits.

I can agree to disagree - there's nothing wrong with that.

When people are talking about the founders of the United States of America, I'm GLAD to be able have the freedom to express my opinion - because those are the very people that made it possible. I'm very fortunate to know about a number of my ancestors that served in the Revolution - and I owe my freedom to them, and all of the other Patriots that sacrificed so much, as well.

:thumbsup:

[andyandy]

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When people are talking about the founders of the United States of America, I'm GLAD to be able have the freedom to express my opinion.

amen to that :) :) :)

that was an interesting debate :thumbsup:

[poorprincess]

Get with the program, what little freedoms you have left are at stake....

Im glad you like to PLAY politics and that it actually makes someone happy to pretend....

New orleans is now a giant shithole, wonder why

IF IF IF they really wanted to they could do it for whatever reason they deemed fit, they dont need warrants anymore thanks to Bush. Just dont be a terrorist!

So basically all your reasons for loving Amerika are flawed....super!

your entitled to an opinion if I am

[Bong30]

1. to have a family, with as many kids as i like or dont like...

2.Women, although they are not quite make the same amout as men, they are the smartest, strongest, hottest women on the planet..... give a regular american women a berka... she will tell you what to do with it.

3. Winter time in the rockies....

4. Summertime in the rockies...

5. the Entrepreneur spirit.....

6.freedom of religon

7. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms

8. american food....ya know chineese, mexican, italian, american......

9. sports...where else do you have football, snowboarding (saving our ass in the olympics again) skeet, hotdog eating, poker....

10. american homegrown.....

B30