Seed Mystery

[WoodyRedeye]

I recently harvested a nice 5 foot plant, but when I was enjoying my crop I found 2 seeds?

I have no male plants, so what happend there then?
:confused:

[HIGHGRADE SEEDS]

Females will produce non viable seeds even if males are not around. These seeds will generally look pale and have no chance of germination.

[WoodyRedeye]

Ahhh right!

So its not worth keepin em for next summer then, absolutely no chance??

:rolleyes:

[HIGHGRADE SEEDS]

Seeds are no good without pollen.

[WoodyRedeye]

Just like women are no good without sperm I spose :cool:

:D

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Seeds are no good without pollen.
Seeds are IMPOSSIBLE without pollen.

Pollen can be carried by the wind from males miles away.

The only way females produce seeds on their own is if stress causes them to produce a few male flowers.

Pale seeds are simply immature.

[HIGHGRADE SEEDS]

Seeds are IMPOSSIBLE without pollen.

Pollen can be carried by the wind from males miles away.

The only way females produce seeds on their own is if stress causes them to produce a few male flowers.

Pale seeds are simply immature.


Much like women produce unfertilized eggs every month the female MJ plant can produce seeds with NO pollen at all....NONE! This is nothing to do with "Pollen can be carried by the wind from males miles away" as you state.

Learn about MJ basics BEFORE you make posts like the one above.

;-)
HIGHGRADE SEEDS
http://www.highgrade-seeds.com
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[Sinsemilla Jones]

I thought about saying the same thing to you, but I was going to try not to be an ass.



Much like women produce unfertilized eggs every month the female MJ plant can produce seeds with NO pollen at all.
The unfertilized female flowers ARE the unfertilized eggs of the marijuana plant.

What you are arguing is IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, like a woman becoming pregnant while still being a virgin!

I assume that's your website, so you must be Paul or Dave.
Well, Paul or Dave, just because you have had a website for a little over a year does not make you an expert.

I've read books by Clarke, Rosenthal, and others, and have read a great deal on Overgrow and other websites, and I have NEVER read anyone say what you are saying.

But I am open to possibly being wrong, so please tell me the source for this rare piece of information. Tell me the book or give me the link.

And please explain how this strange biological theory works.

Is it the hand of God chosing a female mj plant for his magic seed?

Or did you hear it from someone and assumed it was true?

Or did you make it up off the top of your head?

[GRB.4.Life]

lol..Seeds cannot form without a male plant, period...Regaurdless if there is a male plant in YOUR crop sometimes doesnt matter either..Pollen pollenates the female flowers, then the flowers stop producing flowers and pistals and start producing seeds..Pollen can travel miles and miles on a good dry blustery day, thus corrupting any females within its driftin distance..Dont think its not possible because all it takes is 3-4 miles and someone else has a crop most likely and cannabis pollen can travel further than that bro..Unless, however, it was turned into a hermaphrodite by genetics, in which case it would still have a male pollenating to creat seed growth..

PS- But uhh, I like the God and his magic seed theory..LOL. ..\/:D\/..

[HIGHGRADE SEEDS]

I thought about saying the same thing to you, but I was going to try not to be an ass.



The unfertilized female flowers ARE the unfertilized eggs of the marijuana plant.

What you are arguing is IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, like a woman becoming pregnant while still being a virgin!

I assume that's your website, so you must be Paul or Dave.
Well, Paul or Dave, just because you have had a website for a little over a year does not make you an expert.

I've read books by Clarke, Rosenthal, and others, and have read a great deal on Overgrow and other websites, and I have NEVER read anyone say what you are saying.

But I am open to possibly being wrong, so please tell me the source for this rare piece of information. Tell me the book or give me the link.

And please explain how this strange biological theory works.

Is it the hand of God chosing a female mj plant for his magic seed?

Or did you hear it from someone and assumed it was true?

Or did you make it up off the top of your head?

Let me know when you find your brain.....

[bonbon]

Females will produce non viable seeds even if males are not around. These seeds will generally look pale and have no chance of germination.
this has happened in several grows that i may have let mature a little too long,they are hollow unfertilized seed,worthless,useless,non viable,but they are seed none the less....bonbon

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Are you absolutely sure no late forming male flower shot its load unnoticed?

Pollen can come not only from nearby gardens, but from wild hemp which grows everywhere.

Pollen can even make it indoors on clothes and pets.

A late polinated flower would have pale, non-viable seed at harvest, because the seed wouldn't have the time to mature.

Have either one of you tried to let these "immaculate" seeds mature on the plant?

I've got to respect experience, bonbon, but immaculate seed production would seem to defy the laws of botany.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Let me know when you find your brain.....
Really convinced me with all your facts as well as being so nice about it!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'll make sure to reccomend your site to everyone!
;)

:rolleyes:

[bonbon]

you know Mr.jones,like when a woman has her menstruation,my mother had a lone solitary female lovebird that use to lay eggs regularly,of course they wouldn't hatch,they weren't fertilized,but she kept laying them,the seeds themselves are thin shelled and hollow,and have no chance of growing,it's just a hormonel phenomena,very natural process....bonbon

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Then the female flowers which are comparable to a human woman's eggs are no longer fertile.

But a woman's fertile eggs can't become fetuses without being penetrated by sperm.

A cannabis seed is a fetus.

It may miscarry or be aborted, but it had to have been the product of the joining of pistal (egg) and staminae (sperm) to be any sort of seed (fetus).

[HIGHGRADE SEEDS]

Then the female flowers which are comparable to a human woman's eggs are no longer fertile.

But a woman's fertile eggs can't become fetuses without being penetrated by sperm.

A cannabis seed is a fetus.

It may miscarry or be aborted, but it had to have been the product of the joining of pistal (egg) and staminae (sperm) to be any sort of seed (fetus).



Love your theory on omni-present MJ pollen in the air. It explains why these seeds are always pale and never viable. Must be cause they were fertilized. :rolleyes:

[GRB.4.Life]

Female cannabis plants can NOT produce seeds without being pollenated. Period. BonBon, your plant didnt produce a seed, the inside of the flower dried up and hardened, which is why it was hollow. Thats what happens if you let it over-mature. Comparing flowers to people and/or animals is rediculous. I asked my girlfriends biology professor just to back myself and trust me, a female flower can NOT produce a seed without pollenation. Plants and flowers are just not like humans or any type of bird. The analogy you guys are making doesnt create anolog. As a matter of fact it contradicts its self. There could have been just enough pollen from a similar flower or even a very small amount from a male somewhere in the air to allow your female to produce a seed or two...

Lets not argue about this tho, its pointless, who really cares?

[HIGHGRADE SEEDS]

There could have been just enough pollen from a similar flower or even a very small amount from a male somewhere in the air to allow your female to produce a seed or two...

Not a likely scenario at all but its the only way to explain your theory. The keyword here is VIABLE seeds. If the seeds are pale, thin and without density as they are not viable, they are not even really seeds in the full definition of the word. They are for the most part empty shells with no possibility of germination as there has been no pollen.

Dreaming IS free though..... :rolleyes:

[Peyote Freak]

they are not even really seeds in the full definition of the word.

Yes, in which case, as they donâ??t contain embryonic plants, and have no potential to germinate, Sinsemilla Jones and GRB.4.Life were correct in saying that an unfertilized female pant doesnâ??t produce seed.

But bonbon and HIGHGRADE SEED were correct in emphasizing that unfertilized female plants can develop empty seed epidermises.

[yourbud]

A portion of it became a Hermia in late flowering. Can we all concur on that?!

[WoodyRedeye]

lol..Seeds cannot form without a male plant..


WOW! What have I started?? LOL

Facts are I had a female plant which I harvested, I definetly have no males as I only had one plant. Although I do have other plants around, tomatoes, peppers, sweetcorn(which gave off a lot of pollen) and melons.

I found amongst my harvest two seeds!

I think we should all await the "litmus test" should we not?

I will have to plant the seeds in question and see what happens wont I?

Email me next summer lol!! as i dont use lights!

Really appreciate the in-depth response though, fascinating! :D

[Sinsemilla Jones]

If they're immature, they won't germ anyway.

Even mature seeds sometimes don't germinate for whatever reason.

If they do germ, it really wouldn't prove HGS wrong either.

And since you wouldn't know who the father(s) was, the plants that resulted would be a crapshoot.

Pollen CAN come from tens or even hundreds of miles away, so even a single female can get some pollination, but it would probably be from wild fiber/seed plants.

If they are pale and you can crush them between your fingers, they aren't viable.

But if they are dark and hard, you might give it a whirl as an experiment, but I wouldn't expect to get any great pot from them.

[WoodyRedeye]

Seeds are IMPOSSIBLE without pollen.



If they do germinate, would that not prove YOU wrong?

an organism that germinates into a plant, would be classed as a SEED (whatever the type of plant produced) would it not?

The area where I live, I really cannot imagine any other MJ plantations in the vicinity, so its a very very slim chance of pollen from other plants.

The hermaprhodite philosopy is possible tho, how would I tell if this has happened? it was a nice smoke like

[Sinsemilla Jones]

If they do germinate, would that not prove YOU wrong?

It was HGS who said that these "immaculate seeds" were NOT viable.
So, if they germinate, I think even HGS would say they had to have been pollinated.

But would that prove "immaculate seeds" impossible?
No, just that YOUR seeds were pollinated.

If they didn't germinate, would that prove they were "immaculate"?
No, because immature seeds wouldn't germinate, anyway.
Even mature seeds sometimes don't germinate.

It wouldn't take a marijuana plantation for only 2 little grains of pollen to make it to your plant.
A single male puts out thousands of pollen grains.

There is a lot of wild hemp out there.
Here in the States, 99% of what the cops pull up is wild.
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread19435.shtml
(3rd article down)

Besides, don't they allow industrial hemp to be grown in the UK?
That would seem to make it even more likely that there could be a source hemp pollen around.

Of course, if you find a male flower on a bud that you missed, mystery solved.

[SativaTrip]

:D :) :) just to be an ass here to everyone...lmao........you could technically sp[eaking take one female plant all by itself and make a viable seed or seeds but it also dose technically need male pollen STILL to do this. But that shit might also not be from a male plant so to speak.lol i am just proving a point with this just to be a technical smhecknical (made upi word) So here are some things just to prove a fourtyninth possible theory , beside the fact that it is prob just a empy seed like everyone says but hey this is also true. :D


I just read an article or post or somethin on how to make feminized seeds....basically if you use this technique called "light poisoning" whereby which you introduce an hour of light during the twelve hour dark peiod of flowering the female will stress itself into making a male BRANCH and it will pollinate itself....BUT>>>>with only FEMALES stuff. So it's like a chic with a dick that is itself all at the same time and that is how they or you can mke feminized seeds. it doesn't produce many seeds but the only other way tht i have heard is some gerbradda somethin or other acid treatment.


So technically i guess everyone is right and everyone is absolutley wrong lol
:) and don't write back somethin like nuh uh cuz that doesn't make sense
because i don't care...just read up on it and you will see.....word out peace :)

[Sinsemilla Jones]

The only way females produce seeds on their own is if stress causes them to produce a few male flowers.

I mentioned that in my first post, lol.

[GRB.4.Life]

Anyone know what happens to the inside of a cannabis flower when it dies from stress or is over matured?

Tip- It sure as hell doesnt get soft... ;)

[WoodyRedeye]

Thanks all who voted in the poll!

Looks like No pollen no seeds, although technically, the female plant could survive without pollen could she not? or is that another debate?

[GRB.4.Life]

Of course a female plant can survive without pollen. If you dont want seeds in your weed then you WANT the female to not have any pollen. If you want seedless bud, pollen is deadly..If you want seeds, well then pollen is yur best friend..

[Imotep]

this has happened in several grows that i may have let mature a little too long,they are hollow unfertilized seed,worthless,useless,non viable,but they are seed none the less....bonbon
Yep, been there.
Ive had plenty of stressed fems throw a male banana flower.
Ive had what were traditionally straight fems stress into full time hermaphrodites too, at least thats my observation of what had happened. Wind blown pollen may well have played a part though the other characteristics didnt change noticably. :confused:

Also, on jurassic park, all the dinosaurs they created were females. But like one of them said, "nature will find a way" and sure enough it did, eggs were found! :D

[kingcanabis]

hmmmmm? is that true the fem seed thing.. hay a new topick.....