whats yo prob with synthetics

[hellomandude]

huh?? i notice mad people hatin' on shit like e, amp, heron and various parms my question is why??? think ur better because ur smokin' somethin that grew out the ground? phhhhsssss... i was like that once. truth is. its all dope. so shut up and have some fun

[nuggetgirl]

I am totally against meth. I did it once, and now I know how it can suck you in. I have never done heroin and only tried crack. I believe coke is not so bad for someone who can handle it and not get carried away. I just totally think that meth eats peoples brains and lives, and it is no comparison to weed.

[hellomandude]

I am totally against meth. I did it once, and now I know how it can suck you in. I have never done heroin and only tried crack. I believe coke is not so bad for someone who can handle it and not get carried away. I just totally think that meth eats peoples brains and lives, and it is no comparison to weed.

yea it is, thats retarded

you must compensate for the GREAT difference in potency

and really be able to handle it

but it is possible to moderate even a methamphetamine addiction.

it's all in how you play your cards

[BlazinHaze]

I mean, you do realize that you're on CANNABIS.com, don't you?

Besides that, people usually have valid reasons for hating certain drugs.

[JunkYard]

Good reasons at that!

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I kinda agree with you on that. I mean, poison ivy came from the ground, but it's poisonous. Peanuts, which came from the ground, are becoming poisonous to humans as an evolutionary trait. For me, it's about level of addicting property. I have somewhat of an addictive personality, so I am more against heroin than, oh, say LSD. I realize that the addictiveness can be controlled if you put time in energy into doing just that, but I can look back and think logically it'll be different once I get into the lifestyle.

This world is all about achieving a high. Some smoke crack. Others go to the movies, the mall, or other gathering places. Some take up hobbies, such as stamp collecting or building those little model airplanes that most of us don't have the patience to make. My high is marijuana. Because of marijuana, I no longer get pissed off when one little thing doesn't go my way. Not just the drug, either, but the process behind it. The incredible science and knowledge put into growing, the different devices and pieces used to smoke. Cannabis is my hobby, and that's me. I've done other drugs, yes, but none of them are as intriguing or as exciting as the processes behind marijuana.

But again, that's just me.

[hellomandude]

I kinda agree with you on that. I mean, poison ivy came from the ground, but it's poisonous. Peanuts, which came from the ground, are becoming poisonous to humans as an evolutionary trait. For me, it's about level of addicting property. I have somewhat of an addictive personality, so I am more against heroin than, oh, say LSD. I realize that the addictiveness can be controlled if you put time in energy into doing just that, but I can look back and think logically it'll be different once I get into the lifestyle.

This world is all about achieving a high. Some smoke crack. Others go to the movies, the mall, or other gathering places. Some take up hobbies, such as stamp collecting or building those little model airplanes that most of us don't have the patience to make. My high is marijuana. Because of marijuana, I no longer get pissed off when one little thing doesn't go my way. Not just the drug, either, but the process behind it. The incredible science and knowledge put into growing, the different devices and pieces used to smoke. Cannabis is my hobby, and that's me. I've done other drugs, yes, but none of them are as intriguing or as exciting as the processes behind marijuana.

But again, that's just me.

oh def. weed is def. my hobby as well

but, i dont like havin "junkie" cracks thrown at me when I try an chill out on some opiates every now and then

just sayin, theres no point in the hate

[JunkYard]

I've done meth, coke/crack, lsd, shrooms, and marijuana. Lsd, shrooms, and mj are all frakin awsome, but when you get into the meth, and coke/crack it can completely control you, if you are not a strong person. Hell, even if you are, they can take control, and ruin your life.

You just have to really like them!

I've seen more than many people fall under the control of these drugs, and when you say they are the same as marijuana, I see a kid with little to no experience with these types of substances.

Sorry man...I think you're full of shit! ;)

[hellomandude]

I've done meth, coke/crack, lsd, shrooms, and marijuana. Lsd, shrooms, and mj are all frakin awsome, but when you get into the meth, and coke/crack it can completely control you, if you are not a strong person. Hell, even if you are, they can take control, and ruin your life.

You just have to really like them!

I've seen more than many people fall under the control of these drugs, and when you say they are the same as marijuana, I see a kid with little to no experience with these types of substances.

Sorry man...I think you're full of shit! ;)

Wtf? do you even know me? let alone the substances ive used. talk about uneducated guessing! lol

anyway i've had my round with amp, meth coke heroin and fentanyl

was turned off by all uppers when i tried meth for the third time, so its been a year since ive done any uppers at all

recently been into fentanyl hydrocodone and heavier opiates (H)

but i keep myself at a limit. I know when too much is too much, etc. I make "breaks" as to not be poppin'/smokin/snorting (i dont ever inject anything, the thought of doing so alone scares me) the shit all the time. I kno it can do a number on your body. and your life. which is why i limit myself

everyone has that ability, people who are overcome by addiction are simply people who got into things they couldnt handle. you shouldnt be doing a drug if you know you can control yourself on it

[hellomandude]

I've done meth, coke/crack, lsd, shrooms, and marijuana. Lsd, shrooms, and mj are all frakin awsome, but when you get into the meth, and coke/crack it can completely control you, if you are not a strong person. Hell, even if you are, they can take control, and ruin your life.

You just have to really like them!

I've seen more than many people fall under the control of these drugs, and when you say they are the same as marijuana, I see a kid with little to no experience with these types of substances.

Sorry man...I think you're full of shit! ;)

i didnt say they were the same

i said with compensation for the extreme differences in potency/addiction level

my point was that a meth addiction can me moderated

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just sayin, theres no point in the hate


I think that's on a case-to-case basis though. I mean, I've lost people to alcohol addiction as well, and I've even had a friend mug me for money for weed, and drop off the face of the earth. Sure, I'm sure to someone who's a regular user of a hard drug it seems stupid to bag on you, but I think to those who have lost people to certain drugs, they start to hate the drug. Sure, there is the argument that these people were already spiraling down before they became users, but still.

Let me put it this way. You're an loving father who walks into your daughter's room, and see her shooting up heroin. Now (don't lie) what would your reaction be? I personally don't create a division between synthetics and naturals. I mean, I think alcohol's a horrible (albeit, fun in the right situations) drug, and the fermenting of fruits is a naturally occuring reaction. On the other hand, it can't be proven that LSD is addictive. I see drugs on more of an addictive level, and how (if any way) it changes your brain. That's why most harder drugs just aren't for me.

[JunkYard]

Wtf? do you even know me? let alone the substances ive used. talk about uneducated guessing! lol

anyway i've had my round with amp, meth coke heroin and fentanyl

was turned off by all uppers when i tried meth for the third time, so its been a year since ive done any uppers at all

recently been into fentanyl hydrocodone and heavier opiates (H)

but i keep myself at a limit. I know when too much is too much, etc. I make "breaks" as to not be poppin'/smokin/snorting (i dont ever inject anything, the thought of doing so alone scares me) the shit all the time. I kno it can do a number on your body. and your life. which is why i limit myself

everyone has that ability, people who are overcome by addiction are simply people who got into things they couldnt handle. you shouldnt be doing a drug if you know you can control yourself on it

I don't know you from john Q Doe, but you 'were' commparing meth, and cocain to marijuana, and they simply aren't even close to being the same. I love my herb, and I loved my meth, and I loved my coke, but only one of these drugs are anywhere near controlable. At first, you may think you have a handle on them, but give it some time, and thet'll have you by the balls.

I don't know anything about (H), so I won't comment on it, but I do know a little about meth, and cocain.

Sorry if I offended you...I call em like I see em. ;)

[hellomandude]

I think that's on a case-to-case basis though. I mean, I've lost people to alcohol addiction as well, and I've even had a friend mug me for money for weed, and drop off the face of the earth. Sure, I'm sure to someone who's a regular user of a hard drug it seems stupid to bag on you, but I think to those who have lost people to certain drugs, they start to hate the drug. Sure, there is the argument that these people were already spiraling down before they became users, but still.

Let me put it this way. You're an loving father who walks into your daughter's room, and see her shooting up heroin. Now (don't lie) what would your reaction be? I personally don't create a division between synthetics and naturals. I mean, I think alcohol's a horrible (albeit, fun in the right situations) drug, and the fermenting of fruits is a naturally occuring reaction. On the other hand, it can't be proven that LSD is addictive. I see drugs on more of an addictive level, and how (if any way) it changes your brain. That's why most harder drugs just aren't for me.

Well first of all I'd snatch up that syringe. now How old is this daughter? It's kinda crutial to my point, so, post back quick so I can finish lol

[hellomandude]

I don't know you from john Q Doe, but you 'were' commparing meth, and cocain to marijuana, and they simply aren't even close to being the same. I love my herb, and I loved my meth, and I loved my coke, but only one of these drugs are anywhere near controlable. At first, you may think you have a handle on them, but give it some time, and thet'll have you by the balls.

I don't know anything about (H), so I won't comment on it, but I do know a little about meth, and cocain.

Sorry if I offended you...I call em like I see em. ;)

i think you are one of the poor souls weak enough to be overcome by such substances. you get angry when people try to tell you such addictions are controllable.. because you failed to yourself. natural human emotions... no offense taken at all my friend

[JunkYard]

To be young again, lol!

I was once young, and nuaive as well.

Props for standing up for what you believe in, though. :thumbsup:

[bedake]

you gotta do drugs.... dont let the drugs do you!

Im all for synthetics! XTC is my favorite with LSD second.

i am standing exactly with you

[hellomandude]

you gotta do drugs.... dont let the drugs do you!

wisest thing anyones said all night

[hellomandude]

To be young again, lol!

I was once young, and nuaive as well.

Props for standing up for what you believe in, though. :thumbsup:

yes, if only i could go back in time

im 82... getting old hehehe

[bedake]

yea and i get a lot of flak on these forums too for enjoying xtc haha

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3 years old. Just kidding. I'd say teens, anywhere between 14 and 18. Any younger than 13, her ass would be in boot camp the same day. Well, for me anyways.

[JunkYard]

yea and i get a lot of flak on these forums too for enjoying xtc haha

I've never tried extacy, but hear it's FANTASTIC!

Wait a minute hellomandude. Why were we talking about cocain in this thread?

[C4nn4Bliss]

huh?? i notice mad people hatin' on shit like e, amp, heron and various parms my question is why??? think ur better because ur smokin' somethin that grew out the ground? phhhhsssss... i was like that once. truth is. its all dope. so shut up and have some fun


Weed and shrooms (to me) are the only drugs that didnt stab me in the back when i turned my back on them, for that i have respect for them. Others if you turn your back on them they stab you, and for that i have learned to stay away from them. Who wants to be around a friend that will stab you in the back when you turn away? Same goes for a drug. I know it depends on your personality/lifestyle/background but for weed and shrooms its smoooooooth sailing!!

I wouldnt look down on you for recreationally using opiates etc but i would if they became a habit!

[hellomandude]

3 years old. Just kidding. I'd say teens, anywhere between 14 and 18. Any younger than 13, her ass would be in boot camp the same day. Well, for me anyways.

Ok, well, I think we know H isnt a drug you just 'stumble" upon. It's usually introduced to you something like this Weed>opiates>opium>percs/vikes>oxycontin>fentanyl>(H) at least that was the case for me. So, let's say she's I dont know, 16, with some prior experience to weed and pills. I'd be cool with that. Girl gotta party sometimes. Everyone does, ya know. And at 16, I wouldnt think pot smoking would be much of a problem with me. So, I walk in, and see her foolin' around with a syringe. I say "Whoa!" snatch that shit up and say come and have a talk with me. I would tell her to NEVER whatever the circumstance use a syringe to administor a drug, they are the #2 cause of AIDS in america + it isn't hard to shoot an extra cc up accidently and O.D. I'd throw the syringes in the fireplace then ask her where her stash is. As soon as she showed it to me id examine it for any volitle chemicals, impurites etc. (It can kill you) and tell her if what she had was any good or not. If it was questionable, i'd throw it out and tell her i will give her my connects number, a connect that I have experience with and know won't sell her bunk stuff. It's like I always say know your Body know your Mind know your Substance know your Source. If you take all 4 into consideration you are pretty much safe. And then of course I'd set a limit to how often I allowed her to do it. Perhaps a small line on weekends, if they havnt fucked up and failed to follow through on anything they were supposed to do in the previous day(s). And I would always sit with her for administration. Just to be safe as possible. Otherwise, If Id try and keep her from it she's her own person and would no doubt go lookin for it on the streets getting involved in the wrong kinda people and def. putting herself in danger

[slipknotpsycho]

at first i didn't have a problem with them.. but look at what it's become... the way i see it (not saying i'm right, just seems like i am) it seems like med companies are cutting down on screening/saftey so they can get new drugs out faster to make more money, all the while, innocent people are dying/becoming very sick due to this... like i said i dunno if i'm right, i just feel i am.. i feel like saftey is not a concern for the med companies anymore, and all they care about is money.... not to mention... man made medicine doesn't seem to work well in me... and almost always causes me more problems then it helps.. i'd rather just deal with my problems (we were given an immune system for a reason... that is of course if we're talking about physical-type medicationis and not anti-psychotics and the like) then shove a pill in my mouth for every problem i have... i keep it to as minimal as possible.. like i said i'd rather just deal with my problems or find a more natural mankind-friendly alternative..

[C4nn4Bliss]

Amen^^^^^^

I dont rush to the doctor when i get sick i tough it out and i swear i am better for it AT THE MOMENT. When people around me get sick i smoke off their bongs, hit their cigs etc and they are baffled that i dont catch what they have. I tell them its genetics haha

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hellomandude,
First of all, let me say that I'm really happy that you've been nothing but tactful throughout this whole ordeal. Because of that, I've been so much more inclined to see your approach, and whule I may not agree, I understand.

I'm 18, and I myself still don't feel I understand enough about this world to understand the full effects of heroin. At 16, I just don't think I'd know enough to fully comprehend. And yes, at 16 everyone wants to party, but I smoke and drank, I didn't do hard drugs (discounting cocaine). But in all reality, I dont think the drug itself is the big deal. As long as you're safe and not jonesing in the back of some alley for another hit, I guess I'll be happy.

I mean, after all, cocaine is the rich man's drug.

[slipknotpsycho]

Amen^^^^^^

I dont rush to the doctor when i get sick i tough it out and i swear i am better for it AT THE MOMENT. When people around me get sick i smoke off their bongs, hit their cigs etc and they are baffled that i dont catch what they have. I tell them its genetics haha
i've noticed the same thing, i've never really taken medicine for sicknesses (unless it was like serious or something, even the flu i would treat myself) now, that i've grown up a bit, i find that i rarely ever get sick... on average maybe get like a common cold ever 1.5 years or so? i'm actually glad i steered away from medicine, and let my immune system become fully functional, rather then getting a cold and turning to a bottle of friendly tussin...

nevermind the common cold, what are you gonna do when some super bug comes around, i'll tell you what's gonna happen, you're going to get sick and you're going to die and you're going to deserve it because you're fucking weak and you have a fucking weak immune system

[C4nn4Bliss]

Right on!

im not 100% sure but doesnt that bird flu virus have a better chance of killing someone with a strong immune system?? Someone explained why but i was too high to remember now

[slipknotpsycho]

i don't know.. i haven't really been paying much attention to it.. the way i see it... the world is long over due for some outrageous pandemic and i'd rather not dwell in the fact that it could easily mutate and be able to transfer from human to human, rather than just bird to human... even if it does so be it, even people with weak immune systems (assuming this is true) would still get it and suffer from it... atleast i didn't spend nearly as much of my life sick/miserable as other people...

[CocaCola]

I don't know you from john Q Doe, but you 'were' commparing meth, and cocain to marijuana, and they simply aren't even close to being the same. I love my herb, and I loved my meth, and I loved my coke, but only one of these drugs are anywhere near controlable. At first, you may think you have a handle on them, but give it some time, and thet'll have you by the balls.

I don't know anything about (H), so I won't comment on it, but I do know a little about meth, and cocain.

Sorry if I offended you...I call em like I see em. ;)

You DON'T give it time. That's the point.

[JunkYard]

I fully agree, man!

It's just that time CAN get away with you when 'experimenting', and such.

I see no harm in a snort here, and there, though. ;)

[beachguy in thongs]

huh?? i notice mad people hatin' on shit like e, amp, heron and various parms my question is why??? think ur better because ur smokin' somethin that grew out the ground? phhhhsssss... i was like that once. truth is. its all dope. so shut up and have some fun
What the difference is, is the reason why crack, coke, LSD, et al, don't affect me, yet Cannabis is better than ever, and that is because Head Trauma deadens your Opioid Receptors and enhances your Hippocampi output of your body's natural-cannabinoids (Anandamide), which affect your Cannabinoid Receptors.

Two different systems.

[beachguy in thongs]

And other drugs directly affect your Central Nervous System.

Pot only affects the CB receptors in your CNS.

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I had the choice of either a scientific answer, or a spiritual one. I went spiritual, but BG makes a good point as well.

[Kryzco]

My whole take is everyone is entitled to pick their poison

I don't have a problem with synthetics, but I would never do meth, herion, ro crack

In the end there is nothing that makes you morally superior to prefering the high of alcohol over pot, and vice versa, as with other drugs and mind altering substances, its all about getting high! nothing more, nothing less

Any drug can be fun if used responsibly and in moderation, and if you can't handle it, don't take it, there are other ways to get you in the place you want to be

[benagain]

I just don't like taking anything that could be made is some kids basement. Grown yes, but nothing man made if I can help it.

[Fengzi]

I've done meth, coke, heroin, opium, etc. so I really don't have any room to criticize anyone else for trying them as well. I haven't done anything other than weed in over 12 years, however. The two big differences that I see between natural drugs such as weed and shrooms is:

1. Addiction-weed is not phsically addictive and no where's near as psycholigically addictive as most other syntheic drugs. I've never seen anyone's life ruined by weed. I have, however, seen my best friend go so far down the road of heroin addiction that he never came back.

2. Ability to Overdose- You simply can't od on weed.

Basically the synthetics are far more dangerous than weed or shrooms. There are people like me and, I assume hellomandude, who can occaisionally use these drugs and be fine with them. Most people, however, can not.

I think one big reason that a lot of people on this board (marijuana only users) have a problem with the other synthetic drugs is that the general public tends to classify marijuana along with heroin and crack as simply "drugs". We are educated and know better but they don't. They also see marijuana as a gateway drug leading to harder drug use. Therefore, the continued use of drugs such as heroin, crack, and meth only set back the efforst to have marijuana legalized like it should be.

[hellomandude]

tru tru fengzi

you all have very good points

kyyzco expecially u last post/line

very good comment

[hellomandude]

I would tell her to NEVER whatever the circumstance use a syringe to administor a drug, they are the #2 cause of AIDS in america + it isn't hard to shoot an extra cc up accidently and O.D. I'd throw the syringes in the fireplace then ask her where her stash is. As soon as she showed it to me id examine it for any volitle chemicals, impurites etc. (It can kill you) and tell her if what she had was any good or not. If it was questionable, i'd throw it out and tell her i will give her my connects number, a connect that I have experience with and know won't sell her bunk stuff. It's like I always say know your Body know your Mind know your Substance know your Source. If you take all 4 into consideration you are pretty much safe. And then of course I'd set a limit to how often I allowed her to do it. Perhaps a small line on weekends, if they havnt fucked up and failed to follow through on anything they were supposed to do in the previous day(s). And I would always sit with her for administration. Just to be safe as possible. Otherwise, If Id try and keep her from it she's her own person and would no doubt go lookin for it on the streets getting involved in the wrong kinda people and def. putting herself in danger[/QUOTE]

i think this is a good example of limiting yourself and being careful

well taken outta context but stil

you get the point

[nuggetgirl]

I agree with the fact that everyone has the right to pick their poison. I am capable of doing X or a line or two or meth in a weekend and not touch it again for a couple months. I live in Iowa, a HUGE percentage of the nations meth comes from here. I quit doing it basically for my brother. He got so caught up in it he was crawling underneath his house looking for the CIA and shit. It took a hold on him and he couldn't shake it. It ruined his life and his relationship with his family, and now slowly he is coming back. He has been clean for a few months now but I can still see the effects. Sometimes he still acts like a tweeker and doesn't realize it, or he'll zone out. His personality has changed alot after overcoming addiction. So like I said, pick your poison. Just don't let it ruin your life. When you start pawning shit for money to buy these drugs, that's when you know you have a problem.
I just hate to see it eat another brain and another life.

[hellomandude]

I agree with the fact that everyone has the right to pick their poison. I am capable of doing X or a line or two or meth in a weekend and not touch it again for a couple months. I live in Iowa, a HUGE percentage of the nations meth comes from here. I quit doing it basically for my brother. He got so caught up in it he was crawling underneath his house looking for the CIA and shit. It took a hold on him and he couldn't shake it. It ruined his life and his relationship with his family, and now slowly he is coming back. He has been clean for a few months now but I can still see the effects. Sometimes he still acts like a tweeker and doesn't realize it, or he'll zone out. His personality has changed alot after overcoming addiction. So like I said, pick your poison. Just don't let it ruin your life. When you start pawning shit for money to buy these drugs, that's when you know you have a problem.
I just hate to see it eat another brain and another life.

i am the same way with my opiates and painkillers like you are with x and coke. I can feel whatever im doin wear on after only a few days too, so a month or so break is just natural

i guess some people can control it some people cant. if you can-- more ppower to ya :thumbsup:

[Nullific]

Ok, well, I think we know H isnt a drug you just 'stumble" upon.
Interesting of you to say that, while I had tried other opioids before heroin I actually did just stumble upon it. I was walking to my friends house one day when I saw a peculiar blue wax paper package on the ground. Upon closer inspection I realized it was five wax paper squares bound by an elastic, five bags of heroin. I took it as a sign and eventually snorted them all. It was wonderful.
Then a few months ago a friend of a friend found a bundle of heroin and some cash, so I got some more free heroin.

On to the topic though this whole controversy is bullshit, like politics. Some natural chemicals are poisons; nicotine, strychnine, atropine to name a few. Some naturally occuring chemicals are addictive; nicotine, morphine, cocaine to name a few.
Most synthetic drugs are derived from those found in nature, our knowledge allows us to alter the structure of these chemicals to produce new chemicals. We call this chemistry.
Plenty of synthetic compounds are safe enough for human consumption, just as plenty of natural ones are dangerous.

[hellomandude]

Interesting of you to say that, while I had tried other opioids before heroin I actually did just stumble upon it. I was walking to my friends house one day when I saw a peculiar blue wax paper package on the ground. Upon closer inspection I realized it was five wax paper squares bound by an elastic, five bags of heroin. I took it as a sign and eventually snorted them all. It was wonderful.
Then a few months ago a friend of a friend found a bundle of heroin and some cash, so I got some more free heroin.

On to the topic though this whole controversy is bullshit, like politics. Some natural chemicals are poisons; nicotine, strychnine, atropine to name a few. Some naturally occuring chemicals are addictive; nicotine, morphine, cocaine to name a few.
Most synthetic drugs are derived from those found in nature, our knowledge allows us to alter the structure of these chemicals to produce new chemicals. We call this chemistry.
Plenty of synthetic compounds are safe enough for human consumption, just as plenty of natural ones are dangerous.

exactly

the rest is just egotystical bullshit

like i said in the beggining

its ALL dope

[hellomandude]

Interesting of you to say that, while I had tried other opioids before heroin I actually did just stumble upon it. I was walking to my friends house one day when I saw a peculiar blue wax paper package on the ground. Upon closer inspection I realized it was five wax paper squares bound by an elastic, five bags of heroin. I took it as a sign and eventually snorted them all. It was wonderful.
Then a few months ago a friend of a friend found a bundle of heroin and some cash, so I got some more free heroin.

But you had some prior experience with opiates, and knew you liked them.. thats the point. Otherwise I don't think you would have known what it was much less want to try it

[briman]

I used to be addicted to heroin. I started at like 15, i only smoked weed before that, and i stopped at 19. I know that isnt realy a long amount of time, i still take e and other things, but i wouldnt go near heroin again. Heroin crack and meth are bastards to contro,l i Know people who are addicted to all of them, so i disagree with hellmandude it isnt simple to control atall. I used heroin a couple of times, then i noticed i was using iy more and more then i noticed i was using it everyday, some synthetics are crap i.e crack, meth and heroin but there are also some that are ok i.e e, mdma and acid.

[mochil69]

what is your guys problem w/ meth?

ive done it about 8 times and ive never felt like i needed more

i coul never touch it again and and be fine

[andruejaysin]

tobacco kills far more people than any other drug. opium is physically adictive. datura is as nasty a trip as i can imagine. pot and shrooms are very safe. all are natural. meth is very addictive, lsd is not. both are synthetic. herion and coke are synthetic drugs made from plants. drugs are as safe or dangerous as they are, where they come from is irrelavent.

[hellomandude]

tobacco kills far more people than any other drug.

great fuckin point:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Jeff Spicoli]

don't compare tobacco to herion, meth, coke, whatever.

[CocaCola]

Why not? Seriously... give me a good reason.

[Jeff Spicoli]

have you ever seen someone get shot over a pack of faggots?

[CocaCola]

Why yes... actually it has happened before. And that's how bad cigarettes are... just like COKE and H and METH, OH NOES DON'T SMOKE!1

[Jeff Spicoli]

you must be a real asshole in real life, haha

[C4nn4Bliss]

have you ever seen someone get shot over a pack of faggots?

no but ive seen someone get shot over a pack of cigarettes

But seriously, people get shot over less so whats your point????

[CocaCola]

you must be a real asshole in real life, haha
Does it make me an asshole if I say thank you?

[JunkYard]

what is your guys problem w/ meth?

ive done it about 8 times and ive never felt like i needed more

i coul never touch it again and and be fine

Yeah, meth doesn't get you that way. In most cases where people become addicted, is when they use, and have to work the next morning. A meth fix will keep you up for many, many hours, and it's a bitch to come down when you have to go to work the next day. Therefore, you use more meth just to make it through the work day, then week, and that is how the cycle begins in many cases.

It's not a one hit, and your addicted thing. I don't know of any drug that works like that. It takes time, and thats the problem; time gets away from you when you use, or go on a bing like this.

8 times is is nothing, man! Especialy if your just using on weekends. Just don't use the night before a work day, and rely on more to get you through...It'll get you by the balls that way! ;)

[bedake]

Ive seen people rob stores for cartons of smokes.... thats bad

[andruejaysin]

have you ever seen someone get shot over a pack of faggots?no, but i've seen someone stabbed over one. guess you've never been to prison.

[Nullific]

Much of the risk in smoking tobacco comes from the use of calcium phosphate fertilizers. It is mined from apatite, a mineral that also contains the radioactive elements polonium 210, lead 210 and radium. Tobacco leaf is a magnet for these elements which become concentrated on its trichomes.

That aside, nicotine is still considered to cause more dependence than cocaine or heroin.

[enthused]

Ill say that I won't do certain drugs(meth,crack,heroin etc.), but I will never hate on someone who does those drugs. It's their life, enjoy it as they would like.

[mochil69]

Yeah, meth doesn't get you that way. In most cases where people become addicted, is when they use, and have to work the next morning. A meth fix will keep you up for many, many hours, and it's a bitch to come down when you have to go to work the next day. Therefore, you use more meth just to make it through the work day, then week, and that is how the cycle begins in many cases.

It's not a one hit, and your addicted thing. I don't know of any drug that works like that. It takes time, and thats the problem; time gets away from you when you use, or go on a bing like this.

8 times is is nothing, man! Especialy if your just using on weekends. Just don't use the night before a work day, and rely on more to get you through...It'll get you by the balls that way! ;)
thank you,finally someone sees things my way:cool:

[JunkYard]

thank you,finally someone sees things my way:cool:

I don't recommend using, or even trying meth. Quite the contrary, it's one of those addictions that kinda creep up on you. That being said, a snort, or 'bump' here and there won't hurt ya if you're dead set on using it.

In fact, it's a really good drug to just 'party' on...

Just don't over do it!

[mochil69]

thats the advice i give people on painkillers

i had myself a nasty addiction and went to rehab a few months back

not pretty

[OzzyOz]

Here's my opinion on certain drugs besides herb and shrooms ( only drugs i've done )

MDMA - Sounds very fun, but people need to be safe with it and make sure to drink enough water, take vitamins, and also take 5-HTP afterwards to replenish there missing serotin.

Heroin - Sounds like "a perfect day" being high on heroin, but i have to addictive of a personality. The heroin flu sounds like it would suck...

Cocaine - Hmm, mixed opinions. I've heard good and bad about it which makes me belive that it may not be worth the addiction..

Meth - Sounds too addictive, i don't like how it doesn't have any "natural roots". .. sort of like how heroin has the opiate plant, and cocaine has the cocoa plant.... meth has the battery acid and Psuoephedrine.... haha. Also fucks up your personality when you get addicted..

LSD - I have no problems with it, and i'll probablly do it sometime soon. Sounds great, but it's hard finding good clean acid.

Pharmecuticals - OXY sounds fun but very addicting, but some are kind of weird in that your taking something for nervousness to get high... reminds me of kids doing Tripple C etc.

[Nullific]

Methamphetamine does in fact have natural roots. Both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are naturally occuring alkaloids of the ephedra plant. You may also be interested to know that reacting lye (sodium hydroxide) with muriatic acid (hydrochloric acid) in the correct ratios will produce table salt (sodium chloride) and water.

Some of the chemicals used in the synthesis of LSD are also extremely dangerous. The natural precursors to LSD come from a very toxic source, the ergot fungus. The alkaloids it contains constrict arteries and blood vessels, leading to gangrene. This fungus grows on rye and interestingly enough may be implicated in the Salem Witch Trials, it likely grew on the stale bread they ate causing hallucinations, delusions and death.

[OzzyOz]

yeah i know about ephederine... i've been trying to get some for working out.

But... Meth is mostly chemicals... i just dont want anything to do with it.

I also know about LSD and the salem witch trials, fuck i'd be scared also if i didn't know that i was tripping.

[hellomandude]

check it

everythin is natural because we've created it only from what he have, here on earth

[prplchknz]

have nothing to add about drugs don't care one way or another about them, if you're gonna do something you're gonna do something no matter how "bad" it is for you but someone said that people becoming allergic to peanuts is an evolutionary thing. I disagree i think its all the antibiotics doctors are giving to little babies that are not letting their immune systems develope. My mom has a PH D in nutrition and told me that if foods get introduced to earlier theirs an increased risk of the kid being allergic to it, because of their immune system not developed enough to handle things.

[SyR1S]

its cuz there usually worse for u and tend to ruin peoples lives, since some are made to get u addicted i like a lil e once in a while though its fun and is alwase a good experince.

[BestTonicIsChronic]

Im against the big four, coke, meth, heroin and PCP, but beside those fuck ill try anything once. Perks are as close to H as Im gonna get.

[tokinggreg]

don't compare tobacco to herion, meth, coke, whatever.

I agree.. the statistics say that more people die from tobacco use than all the other hard drugs combined. But think about it, at any given time there are about one billion people who smoke cigarettes. At any given time there are about three or four million people who do "harder drugs," which translates into a factor of 200 to 300 times greater tobacco use. Of course more people are going to die from cigarettes alone!

Don't throw around deceptive statistics! Tobacco is not as dangerous as harder drugs... but if you are going to try harder drugs, moderation is key.

[Jeff Spicoli]

thanks greg. someone who has common sense

[Kryzco]

not to mention I've never heard of a cigarette overdose

[BestTonicIsChronic]

Ya you think daggers (cigs) are bad a report that I read before or maybe not a report but I said that caffeine is more addictive than even heroin or meth. I wish I could site it, if anyones seen this before site it for me thx.

[mochil69]

what i think whoever said nicotene in more dangerous than harder drugs meant that,

some people belive it is harder to kick the habit of smokeing than to quit other things


i just poulling this out of my stoned ass so juts w/e this

hah some bumm asked me for somec hange and i gave him 7 bucks andf told him to go bu me a pack of smokes and he brought me them and he accedentaky dropped the cahnge in my hand to and i just walked off

hah bumms are funny

[karmaxul]

I love the acid, and bud mostly. Molly is chill if it pure and flaky made by bringing it down to -9 degrees keeping it organic. Shooms are chill and peyote is great but I cant seem to even trip when I eat 8 4.5cm flowering ones. I have no problems with coke but I can not get high with it and well I would rather smoke a joint. I have had my experiences with H and I dont dig it. It doesnt do nothing but make me sick. Havent done it in three years or more and I felt my emotions get way more real over a two year period after stopping. Never had real H as 99% of the junk on the street is from the pharmie companies and is junk. I hear real H will not affect your liver like the synthetics and will not string you out as much adjusting your bodies ph so you can cycle off easier with out getting sick. I do not do things anymore that make you feel like shit the day after. Just smoke, eat peyote, and take acid when it comes around. Acid is real good for helping get off the H. Dont do pills any more and I think they are all junk as I have had some times I would have rather not involving them. Basically just organics. Bud, shrooms, mescaline, organic molly, with the exception of acid but thats just a vitamin and wont do no harm. In plants auxins are derived from tryptophans which acid and shrooms increase so they are nothing but healthy.

If I walked in on my daughter shooting up. I would not get mad at her as it is safer in the house then on the streets. I would definatly talk with her and teach her what I know about it. Seen to many people die on it to like the fact she is doing it but would not make her life any worse off by giving her another enemy.

[andruejaysin]

I agree.. the statistics say that more people die from tobacco use than all the other hard drugs combined. But think about it, at any given time there are about one billion people who smoke cigarettes. At any given time there are about three or four million people who do "harder drugs," which translates into a factor of 200 to 300 times greater tobacco use. Of course more people are going to die from cigarettes alone!

Don't throw around deceptive statistics! Tobacco is not as dangerous as harder drugs... but if you are going to try harder drugs, moderation is key.True, but other drugs at least give pleasure, at least in the short term. Tobbaco, after the first week at least, offers nothin except relief from nicotine withdrawl.

[tokinggreg]

Ya you think daggers (cigs) are bad a report that I read before or maybe not a report but I said that caffeine is more addictive than even heroin or meth. I wish I could site it, if anyones seen this before site it for me thx.

Either that was a false report or you grossly misinterpreted it. Caffeine is mildly addictive. I stopped drinking soda/coffee no problem. I had headaches for like two days maybe, then I was fine.

[Nullific]

what i think whoever said nicotene in more dangerous than harder drugs meant that,

some people belive it is harder to kick the habit of smokeing than to quit other things
Well that and the fact that nicotine is one of the deadliest natural poisons known to man.

I think people are getting off-topic though, those who are saying they are against heroin, meth, cocaine etc. that has little to do with this natural vs. synthetic argument. All of the cocaine on the street was made naturally via the erythroxylum coca.