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sublimnial

03-22-2006, 12:13 AM

this have anything to do with scientology?
HAHAHAHAHAHA...wow..thank you..i dont know why rthat was funny but it was.

I think that we started out as apes...but then the aliens came and added a gene or something..in wich caused us to slowly change into human beings..this being said, i think that is why we hear about the myestrious wall paintings the possibly depict UFO aliens and whatever supernatural activity. Sometimes i also think that jesus was an alien reporter sent to cover what was going on and go to emotionally imvolved in his work so the the alien company he worked for fired him and never gave him a ride home. Thenn the church was like wtf.

Sorry......i hopesome of that makes sence if you can under stand my morbid spelling:p

halo

03-22-2006, 12:14 AM

not clones but genetically created by aliens.

Yah i agree that we are near clones of some aliens with less 'mind powers'. I have thought for a while now that ancient gods were actually aliens and that we were sort of created by them "in their image". When you think about it, most depictions of Gods are in human form besides the hindu gods and such. I believe these alien Gods realized the error of their ways and how they had sparked wars upon people over their teachings. I also believe that the god of the old testament of the bible was different from the god of the new testament that jesus spoke of. I also think that Jesus was the son of one of those alien Gods. Just my opinion.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:18 AM

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:19 AM

i read somewhere of theory about jesus being created by aliens. so therefore his tricks like walking on water and turning water into wine seem plausible to me due to alien technology.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:22 AM

Yah i agree that we are near clones of some aliens with less 'mind powers'. I have thought for a while now that ancient gods were actually aliens and that we were sort of created by them "in their image". When you think about it, most depictions of Gods are in human form besides the hindu gods and such.
Well duh. We make our gods look like humans because we are humans. If elephants had religions I bet their gods would look like elephants.

I believe these alien Gods realized the error of their ways and how they had sparked wars upon people over their teachings. I also believe that the god of the old testament of the bible was different from the god of the new testament that jesus spoke of. I also think that Jesus was the son of one of those alien Gods. Just my opinion.
Wow. Where's the evidence for all this? It would be really cool if our existence on this planet was part of an epic tale about deities and aliens and stuff, but just because it's a cool idea doesn't mean it's true. There has to be something to back it up.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:22 AM

You know guys, just because an idea sounds cool doesn't mean it's true. The overwhelming body of evidence points to a natural evolution from apes. We share something like 97% of our DNA with chimps, and 50% with carrots. We're not that unique, really. If we were put here by aliens, I want to see some damn good evidence. Otherwise there is just no reason to believe such nonsense.

you're talking about second possibly third hand information from scientists. why believe them right away and immediately discard the alien theory by labeling it nonsense? you dont know unless you conduct research, tests and experiments yourself.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:22 AM

i read somewhere of theory about jesus being created by aliens. so therefore his tricks like walking on water and turning water into wine seem plausible to me due to alien technology.
Any stage magician could easily perform such tricks.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:23 AM

Wow. Where's the evidence for all this? It would be really cool if our existence on this planet was part of an epic tale about deities and aliens and stuff, but just because it's a cool idea doesn't mean it's true. There has to be something to back it up.

so you're telling me there are no aliens?

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:25 AM

you're talking about second possibly third hand information from scientists. why believe them right away and immediately discard the alien theory by labeling it nonsense?
No. Unlike most people, I actually read what the scientists write. I look at and review their evidence. I've looked at this whole evolution thing. I've read what the evolutionary biologists have to say, what their findings are, and the idea that we evolved from apes is one of the soundest scientific theories we have.

you dont know unless you conduct research, tests and experiments yourself.
Do tell me about the tests and experiments you conducted which led you to the alien origin hypothesis.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:26 AM

Any stage magician could easily perform such tricks.

back in those days i doubt they had magicians. i think magic did really exist. i mean whatever happened to alchemy.

Garden Knowm

03-22-2006, 12:26 AM

Aliens give great head

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:26 AM

so you're telling me there are no aliens?
No, the universe is a huge place and there is probably life elsewhere. But not that we know of. We seem to be alone in this particular corner of the universe.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:28 AM

No. Unlike most people, I actually read what the scientists write. I look at and review their evidence. I've looked at this whole evolution thing. I've read what the evolutionary biologists have to say, what their findings are, and the idea that we evolved from apes is one of the soundest scientific theories we have.

Do tell me about the tests and experiments you conducted which led you to the alien origin hypothesis.

well to be technical, its really speculation on both sides. you cant shoo off one idea just cuz you dont like the way it sounds.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:30 AM

back in those days i doubt they had magicians. i think magic did really exist. i mean whatever happened to alchemy.
Really? You don't think anybody came up with the idea of doing magic tricks in all of human history until the past couple millennia? Wow. By the way, alchemy failed. It was a movement to try to turn certain substances into gold, which it never did. It did give rise to the field of chemistry as people realized their errors, but it failed to do anything verifiably magical.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:34 AM

No, the universe is a huge place and there is probably life elsewhere. But not that we know of. We seem to be alone in this particular corner of the universe.

i think thats bs. there isnt concrete evidence but there is evidence. archaeological evidence i say is the strongest. paintings, drawings on walls, references to "gods" coming from the skys. just look at all the ancient civilizations, they have common similarities in their "gods" and this was way before the bible.

JunkYard

03-22-2006, 12:35 AM

Actually, Alchemy was more about transforming the 'self'. At least in magickian terms...

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:37 AM

Really? You don't think anybody came up with the idea of doing magic tricks in all of human history until the past couple millennia? Wow. By the way, alchemy failed. It was a movement to try to turn certain substances into gold, which it never did. It did give rise to the field of chemistry as people realized their errors, but it failed to do anything verifiably magical.

it was the combination of science and magic. so real magic had to exist and im not talkin about tricks and illusions. in the so called jesus days, i still say there were no magicians(tricks and illusions). just a buncha carpenters.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:38 AM

well to be technical, its really speculation on both sides. you cant shoo off one idea just cuz you dont like the way it sounds.
No, evolution is not just speculation. It's true that science involves a certain degree of speculation, but that speculation has to then be verified with observable evidence, which evolution is. There is tons of documented observable evidence (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_evolution) which supports the theory of evolution, and not one shred that I know of that suggests we were actually put here by aliens.

A scientific theory also has to be falsifiable, which is to say that there must be some way to prove the idea wrong. For example, if evolution was wrong, it could be proven by finding in a human skeleton in the same layer of the fossil record as a trilobyte. But how could anyone possibly prove the alien origin hypothesis wrong? For any possible objection to the idea, you could just say "the aliens made it that way". Why do humans have vestigial organs? The aliens made it that way. Why aren't the aliens still in contact with us? They're hiding. Why isn't there any evidence for any of this? The aliens did an excellent job covering it all up and leaving no trace of themselves. And so forth...

Kush Over

03-22-2006, 12:39 AM

No, the universe is a huge place and there is probably life elsewhere. But not that we know of. We seem to be alone in this particular corner of the universe.

The universe is a big place. In fact, so large that at it's theorized creation -- the Big Bang -- it expanded from the size of a marble to a space some billion times larger than visible space in a matter of a trillionth of a trillionth second.

Yes, evidence points to our origins lying in the same family as our not-so-distant cousins short of a chromosome -- the primates. Personally, I don't see a serious difference between us -- humans and apes I mean.

It may not be that we're alone, but that whatever visitors have came here would have generally been dissuaded by what and who we are. Personally, if I were an alien fresh from another planet, Earth would be the last fucking place I'd go.

Or maybe they've already been here, or are still dipping in and out occasionally. It'd be rather arduous to monitor every inch of the sky from Earth. In fact, it'd probably be damn near impossible.

It's been said that the absence of evidence doesn't necessarily denote the evidence of absence. Think about it.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:40 AM

it was the combination of science and magic. so real magic had to exist and im not talkin about tricks and illusions. in the so called jesus days, i still say there were no magicians(tricks and illusions). just a buncha carpenters.
What do you mean, "magic had to exist"? Why did it have to exist? What evidence is there that it existed? You can't just believe in something because it sounds cool. You actually have to back it up with evidence. I don't know why so many people have a hard time with that concept.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:43 AM

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 12:44 AM

Omfg How fucked are you guys?

Evolution..read up on it some time.
We came from apes...And if there are aliens Where The Fuck Are They? I havent seen any apart from stupid hoax's and i don't trust a redneck's personal experience....

Saying that i do belive there are "aliens" but i don't think they have the technology to travel to earth...If aliens did create us why? Are we pets to them? Seems like a big load of bull to me.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:46 AM

i think thats bs. there isnt concrete evidence but there is evidence. archaeological evidence i say is the strongest. paintings, drawings on walls, references to "gods" coming from the skys. just look at all the ancient civilizations, they have common similarities in their "gods" and this was way before the bible.
Imagine that you are a prehistoric man living in a primitive tribe. You don't understand the real scientific explanations for lightning, earthquakes, diseases, the planets and stars, human consciousness, the origin of life, or anything like that. Because you don't want to live without explanations for all these daily occurrences, you conclude that there are invisible spirits behind all these things and you call them gods. Where must they live? Well, not here on earth obviously. Nobody has ever seen one. So you can only conclude that they live in the sky. Maybe you say that the big yellow ball of light that gives us heat is God. Or maybe you say that God actually lives behind the celestial sphere that seems to turn around the earth every day. Either way, it has to be up there and not down here since nobody has actually seen gods on earth.

beachguy in thongs

03-22-2006, 12:48 AM

We evolved through reptiles. Notice my green skin. :smokin:

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:48 AM

i dont know why so many people have trouble with concept that an idea is based on some sort of truth. ideas just dont come outta nowhere you know. they are always based on something or a combination of things. thats how the human brain works.
Not all ideas are based on some sort of truth. Every day lots of people make things up, misinterpret reality, and engage in wishful thinking.

clear the way mugs

03-22-2006, 12:50 AM

all have to do is clear the way mugs IM HERE!

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:50 AM

so how do you explain the ancient drawings of aliens? i doubt a caveman is gonna come up with that after seeing some lightning or an earthquake.

Omfg How fucked are you guys?

Evolution..read up on it some time.
We came from apes...And if there are aliens Where The Fuck Are They? I havent seen any apart from stupid hoax's and i don't trust a redneck's personal experience....

why dont you keep an open mind and not swallow everything fed to you. before you say the same about me, i have done numerous research and come up with my own conclusion.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:50 AM

We evolved through reptiles. Notice my green skin. :smokin:
Very true. All mammals are ultimately descended from reptiles.

sweetnhighz

03-22-2006, 12:52 AM

not clones but genetically created by aliens.

you and my husband must b smoking the same kinda pot then cause hes always talkin bout aliens and us and revelations and outerspace blah blah blah! lol, i love um but i can barely listen to this to mins at a time..heh

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 12:52 AM

so how do you explain the ancient drawings of aliens? i doubt a caveman is gonna come up with that after seeing some lightning or an earthquake.
What ancient drawings? I'd like to see one that you think can't be explained except through aliens. And how do you know that these drawings resemble aliens? Have you seen a picture of an alien to compare with them?

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:53 AM

Not all ideas are based on some sort of truth. Every day lots of people make things up, misinterpret reality, and engage in wishful thinking.

well now they can make things up cuz of all the shit we have now and all the things we have seen over the years but not back then. forget about evolution, step out of the box and think about the human brain.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 12:57 AM

you and my husband must b smoking the same kinda pot then cause hes always talkin bout aliens and us and revelations and outerspace blah blah blah! lol, i love um but i can barely listen to this to mins at a time..heh

he sounds like a great guy and a smart one...

What ancient drawings? I'd like to see one that you think can't be explained except through aliens. And how do you know that these drawings resemble aliens? Have you seen a picture of an alien to compare with them?

well prehistoric humans did not look like that or archaeologists woulda said something bout that. everytime in these ancient drawings, they would draw a being and always imply that "it" came from the sky. i dont understand why its so hard for you to phathom the possible alternate idea of our origin.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 01:00 AM

well now they can make things up cuz of all the shit we have now and all the things we have seen over the years but not back then.
Well, we can't just take dead people by their word. Dead people, much like living people, said lots of crazy things. Also, remember that hallucinogenic drugs have been available throughout all of human history. I have a hard time believing that people would not associate their hallucinations on these drugs with religious beings. Same goes for dreams. Ancient people didn't know that dreaming was all in your head. They probably thought it was a strange parallel universe where the gods and spirits live. Why else would you be able to communicate with dead people in your dreams?

forget about evolution,
Why? It's a very well-founded scientific theory.

step out of the box and think about the human brain.
What about it? Structurally it seems to be an advanced version of the typical primate brain, which is what we would expect.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 01:02 AM

well prehistoric humans did not look like that or archaeologists woulda said something bout that. everytime in these ancient drawings, they would draw a being and always imply that "it" came from the sky. i dont understand why its so hard for you to phathom the possible alternate idea of our origin.
Where? I just want to see these drawings for myself. I can easily fathom the possibility of an alternate explanation for our origin, but I'm not going to accept any theory unless it has a substantial body of evidence behind it.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 01:05 AM

Well, we can't just take dead people by their word. Dead people, much like living people, said lots of crazy things.

the same can be said about those scientists.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 01:07 AM

the same can be said about those scientists.
Right, which is why science places a lot of emphasis on peer review and replicating other scientists' results.

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 01:08 AM

why dont you keep an open mind and not swallow everything fed to you. before you say the same about me, i have done numerous research and come up with my own conclusion.

I dont belive alot of shit, I dont belive in religeon but i belive there is something a "higher" being if you will. We know what happened up to 3 seconds before the big bang what i want to know is what happened in those 3 seconds? Im a scientist, i belive in science not science fiction. Yes there may be Aliens and UFO's but until i see one i'm doubtful. I do understand that the Galaxy is a unscalable size and that we can't be the only life in it. But if there is life in the Universe i doubt they have more advanced technology then us. I doubt they look different from us. It wouldn't surprise me that much if there was another earth with humans.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 01:12 AM

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.html

thats a good link.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 01:16 AM

Hmm, I wonder why all those aliens look like distorted humans or human/animal hybrids.

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 01:22 AM

Lmao that just looks like some Human holding a small child. How the fuck is that supposed to prove anything? Maybe the guy drawing it just got high and started drawin weird shit (i do it..).

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 01:24 AM

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 01:33 AM

God dosent exist hes a lie.

Something exists but not God.

How did the first particle get made? The Very First part of the universe?

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 01:35 AM

we're somewhere on the same wave length...

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 01:36 AM

a lot of stoners are atheists. hmmm, i wonder why.....

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 01:41 AM

Yet but alot of stoners like to think of god as a massive stoner..lol I do

benagain

03-22-2006, 01:43 AM

Holy shit this thread got long real fast. I fell asleep for a bit and it's long as hell now. I don't know where I came from and don't care too much. If we were created or just spontanious accident, it still doesn't change the fact that we're all stuck here together. All we can do is try our best and improve ourselves any way we can. :)

minnesota man

03-22-2006, 01:45 AM

I think drugs and religion have an intersting relationship. Religion requires an open mind (leap of faith) and pot opens your mind. Religion is used to help with addiction. Some people are religious addicts though. They could balance out they're fanatisism by smoking pot. I don't know where I'm going with this...Somebody help me out.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 01:48 AM

well i think i put up a pretty good argument in favor of my alien/human origin.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 01:53 AM

http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/ast.shtml

heres another one.

heres an interesting thing. everyone believes in god but not aliens. so where is the proof that god exists? everyone wants proof of aliens but what about god?
You're right. Alien belief is just as grounded in evidence as god belief is. There is just as much reliable evidence for gods as there is for aliens. Which is why I'm an atheist. However, I think aliens are more plausible than gods, since we know evolution happens but we've never seen a god pop out of nowhere. Aliens probably do exist, but the vast majority are probably not capable of space travel and those that are seem to be too far away to get here. Space is really fuckin huge, and spaceships are slow.

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 01:56 AM

Who says spaceships are slow? (i know im a hypocrite) But if they have more advanced technology then us they could have some like Super Fast Machine Thingy that goes like 1000x the speed of light.

But doubtful..

d00d989

03-22-2006, 02:04 AM

rofl, its so hilarious how so many people pull random ideas about aliens out of their asses. honestly, are you guys all 12 years old?

EVOLUTION

its undeniable.

dont believe me?
do some reasearch. the proof of Evolution is all around us.

mfactor420

03-22-2006, 02:09 AM

Where? I just want to see these drawings for myself. I can easily fathom the possibility of an alternate explanation for our origin, but I'm not going to accept any theory unless it has a substantial body of evidence behind it.

Look up a book called "Chariots of the Gods" and its sequel, "Gods From Outer Space". You'll find your pictures there as well as a whole lot of info on this topic.:thumbsup:

minnesota man

03-22-2006, 02:09 AM

No. Unlike most people, I actually read what the scientists write. I look at and review their evidence. I've looked at this whole evolution thing. I've read what the evolutionary biologists have to say, what their findings are, and the idea that we evolved from apes is one of the soundest scientific theories we have.

Do tell me about the tests and experiments you conducted which led you to the alien origin hypothesis.

O.K. wise guy, I may not be as informed or studied as you in evolution however, if time is infinate, I find it hard to believe that God created man. The story's too short. And I doubt we evolved from apes. You seem invested in the evolution theory. Although I welcome your doubts about the alien theory, you sound kind of like a religious nut about it.

mfactor420

03-22-2006, 02:10 AM

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 02:17 AM

True who created it? d00d and wtf man don't you have thought hell i belive in evolution but theres gaps in the theory. Theres room for argument so man stfu and stop being such an ass.

Kush Over

03-22-2006, 02:19 AM

L. Ron Hubbard.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 02:22 AM

d00d989

03-22-2006, 02:31 AM

True who created it? d00d and wtf man don't you have thought hell i belive in evolution but theres gaps in the theory. Theres room for argument so man stfu and stop being such an ass.
There are no holes in the theory of Evolution.

Billions of years ago, when the Earth was VERY different, against all odds, the conditions became perfect for life to be produced. I wont go into detail.

The first reason people still believe that there are God(s) or that we were created by aliens is because they dont believe that our life on earth could be a random accident. The second reason is that until recently, we had no idea how we got here. We had to come up with at least some reason as to how we got here, so people came up with silly ideas like Gods and such.

d00d989

03-22-2006, 02:32 AM

you are acting like a 12 year old with your thought process.
...what the hell?

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 02:36 AM

Sallassie forgives all.....

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 02:41 AM

Lol theres no holes in the theory of evolution? How did it start? What triggered evolution? Did the "Ape" body suddenly think hmm im gunna change myself.
Also if we came from apes why are there still apes around? Shouldnt they be humans? Your an idiot how do you think anything started?

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 02:42 AM

I myself cannot deny evolution completely because that would be just as bad as believing it in whole-heartedly. The fact of the matter is that for the most part it makes sense but there are few flaws in the idea that stand out to me the most. First i dont see how you could believe that something as complex as our DNA evolved from single cell organisms over billions of years. You and me are wired to the teeth with DNA and when you study DNA it starts to see exactly how complex it is and how advanced it is compared to anything we know of. While we're waiting to hear and see signs of intelligence behind interstellar communication, we're ignoring those built into us. The fact that our DNA hasnt evolved makes things ever more strange.

Secondly, evolution is based on the fact that it was begun by spontaneous generation. When you take biology you realize that it infact contradicts it. LIFE COMES FROM LIFE, LIFE DOES NOT COME FROM NON-LIFE WHICH IS THE LAW OF BIOGENESIS! Evolution suggests that the first living cell came from a freak combination of nonliving material,where that nonliving material came from we were not told. Evolution is base]d on the theory that given enough time, the apparently impossible becomes possible.No matter how long it's given, non-life will not become alive. Its plain and simple!

Third, the scientiffic method can only test existing data.....it cannot draw conclusions about origins. To prove the possibility of anything, science must be able to reproduce exact original conditions. Since nobody was alive during this supposed time the conclusions they come to are merely based on present information.

Last but not least, The dating methods that evolutionists rely upon to assign millions and billions of years to rocks are very inconsistent when it comes down to it. Dating methods use radioactive decay assuming that the decay rates have always been and remained constant, WRONG! Many laboratory tests have show that they infact do not stay constant. What's not commonly known is that the majority of dates are not even consistent for the same fucking rock

This has always been something that interested me and i believe all you should dabble a bit in the research as you are a blessed generation with the internet, information up the ying yang! Dont use the internet to rot your head with garbage(myspace lol) use it to better yourself with the knowledge it provides you with, and learn how to decipher the garbage from the gold!

t3chyo

03-22-2006, 02:49 AM

this thread is result of sooo many years and sooo many drugs:)

minnesota man

03-22-2006, 02:49 AM

Well said C4n4bliss.

I don't know. I just think about things and I know our society uses so many paradigms to explain things, many of which include a chink of fabrication that ends up making the whole thing false. Don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. Put a fork in me, I'm done!-Lou Reed

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 03:00 AM

smokingskeleton

03-22-2006, 03:02 AM

im just stoned and cant really be arsed for this no more.

but we are not from space.

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 03:06 AM

Humans cannot deal with knowledge in absolutes, stay open minded!!!

I am waiting for the evolutionists in here to comment on what i laid out!

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 03:30 AM

O.K. wise guy, I may not be as informed or studied as you in evolution however, if time is infinate, I find it hard to believe that God created man. The story's too short. And I doubt we evolved from apes. You seem invested in the evolution theory. Although I welcome your doubts about the alien theory, you sound kind of like a religious nut about it.
Religious nut? I am an atheist, mind you. Evolution is not a religion, it is scientific fact (keep in mind that in science the word "theory" just means a set of facts used to explain a phenomenon). Why do you doubt that man evolved from apes? Have you studied evolution? Have you looked at the fossil record and the distribution of primate fossils in Africa? I think if you seriously studied this stuff you would come to the same conclusion that I did. Please, go to a library and read a couple books about the overwhelming body of evidence in the fossil record and in our genes. It takes a certain amount of scientific knowledge to understand it, but there is basically no doubt that all the available evidence points to the evolution of man from the great ape family of primates. Don't just speculate—study.

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 03:33 AM

myspace is the antichrist....

minnesota man

03-22-2006, 03:34 AM

I'm not calling you a religious nut. I said you kind of sound like one. I understand how you to offense to that and I apologize.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 03:37 AM

I never liked scientific methods because it will break something down, analyze it to death, put it back together, and then come up with an answer.That may work for most things but science made the bad desicion of trying to tackle the unexplainable and labeling it with ideas that dont add up. To me the method is flawed especially when they try and put theories on the origin of life. I believe that not everything can be answered that easy and science proves it. You know how many scientific beliefs have been proven to be false??? Science is flawed but i understand how grounded it is in today society and our knowledge grows by the day so who knows, maybe some bright guy will actually put the right label on the origin of life and prove me wrong, who knows. Time will tell the story better than i ever could!
Do you have a better way of obtaining knowledge about the universe? The basic fact is, we have to use the available evidence and work with logic to understand the universe. Science may not be perfect (since humans are not perfect), but it is the best we have to accomplishing that goal and it has done more to improve the condition of mankind than, well, anything else really.

What is up with this anti-science fad lately? If you don't like science, stay out of the fucking hospitals, because all that modern medicine is the product of science. For that matter, get off your fucking computer and stop paying your electricity bills, since the technology behind computers and power plants is the result of science too. And give up all your possessions, since the factories which manufactured them could not have operated without the laws of physics as revealed by science. We can all go back to the 1300s and die of plagues while praying to God to cure us. Oh, if only we could live without this oppressive scientific method!

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 03:39 AM

thanks jimmy neutron but i welcome the dark ages...

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 03:45 AM

Do you have a better way of obtaining knowledge about the universe? The basic fact is, we have to use the available evidence and work with logic to understand the universe. Science may not be perfect (since humans are not perfect), but it is the best we have to accomplishing that goal and it has done more to improve the condition of mankind than, well, anything else really.

What is up with this anti-science fad lately? If you don't like science, stay out of the fucking hospitals, because all that modern medicine is the product of science. For that matter, get off your fucking computer and stop paying your electricity bills, since the technology behind computers and power plants is the result of science too. And give up all your possessions, since the factories which manufactured them could not have operated without the laws of physics as revealed by science. We can all go back to the 1300s and die of plagues while praying to God to cure us. Oh, if only we could live without this oppressive scientific method!

Way to state the obvious and rant about it! I said......

Science is flawed but i understand how grounded it is in today society and our knowledge grows by the day so who knows

Science is flawed but i understand how grounded it is in today society and our knowledge grows by the day so who knows

That may work for most things but science made the bad desicion of trying to tackle the unexplainable and labeling it with ideas that dont add up

No shit everything around us was acquired by science, my point is tackling the theory of origin of life with science is flawed, no there isnt better methods but does that mean you want to believe in something you know isnt right just because there isnt a better way to explain it?!??! Not smart! Not wise! Definatly not something you want to preach/teach about because it makes you look like a dumbass IMO. You comment on my second post but you clearly avoid my first. Why is that???

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 03:48 AM

What is an even bigger joke is evolutionists using evolution to try and disprove religions, wow....

You say religion is flawed but it is just as flawed as your evolutional theories...

Go figure:p

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 03:49 AM

I wish evolution and science could explain hallucinogens to me also!

specifically how multiple people could have the same images from the substances

king kong bong

03-22-2006, 03:50 AM

ALIENS, TAKE ME NOW.....

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 03:56 AM

This is the only place ive ever been able to find information about how science explains hallucinogens but i dont nessicarily like the website it comes from....

http://deoxy.org/psyguide.htm#5

"There is no question a certain degree of merit to this hypothesis. However, one could ask as well: are there perhaps latent functions in the brain that are turned on by hallucinogens? This point of view has not been well addressed by scientific research for the simple fact that, how can you look at something if you don't know it exists? If there are functions turned on by hallucinogenic drugs in the brain that do not normally operate in our usual states of consciousness, then scientists have nothing to compare these states to, and thus are affected by a blind spot. Still, though this question of turning on latent functions is not easily addressed in terms of scientific thinking, we shall see below that occult views provide us a basis to reasonably address this question.

In spite of any hypothesis scientists may provide as to the operation of hallucinogens in the nervous system, we must put this discussion in its proper perspective. Whatever scientists may profess to know about the activity of hallucinogenic drugs is colored strongly by the fact that the current scientific understanding of how the brain and nerve cells work is highly incomplete.

And this point leads us back to philosophy. Because, on one hand, scientists like to believe that the brain creates consciousness, but on the other hand, scientist have only a partial and incomplete understanding of how the brain works. This seems like putting the cart before the horse to me. It is possible that science will come to understand in very full detail how the operation of the brain leads to memory formation and other psychological phenomena. But the point is, they only have a partial understanding at this point. If you took a brain scientist (a neurologist, or neurochemist, or whatever) and sat them down and asked; "How does the brain create consciousness?" They'll either B.S. you with a bunch of details and never directly answer your question, or they will out right honestly admit that this question simply cannot be answered with current knowledge (if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit!). So, the bottom line is, that science's contention that the brain creates consciousness is more belief and dogma than it is cold, hard, provable fact."

Flesh420

03-22-2006, 04:05 AM

If you look into someones eyes ur looking at the key to the unvirse

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 04:07 AM

Id agree with you maybe if you elaborated on that instead of making it sound like something you heard on TV

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 04:07 AM

What is an even bigger joke is evolutionists using evolution to try and disprove religions, wow....

You say religion is flawed but it is just as flawed as your evolutional theories...

Go figure:p
I am no more an "evolutionist" than I am a "gravitationist" or a "heliocentrist". I am just recognizing the facts discovered by modern science. Just because you have not observed the evidence and scrutinized it with proper logic does not mean that the overwhelming body of evidence isn't there. There is no doubt that evolution happened. Anybody who's ever seriously studied the fossil record and the distribution of fossils on this planet, or the molecular structures of various species of animals, could possibly deny this fact. It's not immediately obvious—like Einstein's theories you have to do a little studying to find out how evolution works and why alternative explanations were abandoned.

You say that the processes behind life on this planet are unexplainable. Why do you start out with this assumption? We actually do have a lot of clues that show how life developed over billions of years, and there is information we can draw from this. Some things about life can be known, and one thing that we do know is that animals change over time.

Why should any animal stay the same? Does anything in this universe stay the same? No, everything is transient, everything changes. Nothing is permanent. That includes the genetic code of living organisms. Genetic changes manifest themselves as physical changes in the body of the organism. Sometimes those changes increase the chances of survival of that organism, and the offspring of that organism will have a greater chance of survival. Over long periods of time these greater chances will add up and that genetic change will spread to the whole species. Whether or not a change is beneficial is dependent on the organism's environment.

If one group of organisms is geographically separated from another, and they are unable to interbreed, they will be in different environments and will go on separate paths of genetic change. Over time, these changes add up to the point that the two groups can no longer interbreed and there are two species.

The origins of modern life forms are knowable, at least to an extent, because we have real concrete evidence to analyze. If you want to convince me that this analysis is incorrect, you're going to have to present to me a better alternative analysis of the fossil record and the body of molecular genetic evidence. Just saying "God did it" or "the aliens did it" explains nothing, especially when you don't have any real concrete evidence to back up the claim, and you have no explanation for where that form of intelligent life came from.

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 04:11 AM

I wish evolution and science could explain hallucinogens to me also!

specifically how multiple people could have the same images from the substances
Do you have any idea how many complex chemical reactions are involved in the brain? Of course modern science hasn't understood everything about how the brain works and how consciousness works. It's really fucking complicated! I'd like to see you give it a try! Just because we don't know exactly how it works doesn't mean that it's not just happening according to the laws of physics. And it doesn't mean that we won't have a more complete answer someday in the future. But if we ever do get a more complete answer, it will definitely be through science and not religion or superstition or mythology.

What's with the science-bashing? Sure, some things are unknowable to people today, but science is the only reliable method of knowing the universe that we have. There just isn't any better method. We have to be able to say "we don't know" when we don't know, but we should never give up the pursuit of knowledge. We can't start out by saying "this is inherently unknowable, and it's not worth our time trying to understand".

Flesh420

03-22-2006, 04:11 AM

Id agree with you maybe if you elaborated on that instead of making it sound like something you heard on TV

I didnt see it on tv it came from my head. Ive been doing allot of thinking latley about how our brain works and the universe ETC.... Its just something i cant explain. I have it all in my head but i just cant explain it specially trying to type it.

Just think of it this way there is so much other things that are happening all around us. We cannot see this because our state of mind wont allow it and we cannot control it. But if we could some how be able to get in touch with that part of our brain then we could live life sooo much differently and see half-way of the big picture. Nothing was made by a god. Ya we could have been made by aleins but theres more to that then what took place for them to be created. Things that make you hallucinate were put here for a reason, You probly dont see what im trying to explain at all but what ever thats my opinion.

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 04:20 AM

Evolution does not require a single missing link, but a innumerable amount. We should be surrounded by a zoo of transitional forms that cannt be put into a category as one particular certain life form. But we don't see this unless i have overlooked some major discovery. There are different kinds of dogs, but all are claerly dogs. The fossils show different sizes of horses, but all are clearly horses. None are on the verge of being some other life form. The fossil record shows complex fossilized life suddenly appearing, and there are major gaps between the fossilized "kinds." If you read about Darwin you will find that he actually acknowledged that if his theory WERE true, it would require millions of transitional forms. He believed they would be found in fossil records. They haven't been..........

I didnt specifically say god or aliens did it was just explaining my thoughts on the flaws of science, evolution and their views on the origin of life. They leave out the major corner stone of their whole theory and then build the whole theory without this corner stone and then expect you to believe it. Like i said i do not deny evolution i just notice the holes in it. Life comes from life, plain and simple!

minnesota man

03-22-2006, 04:33 AM

Oneironaut and c4nn4bliss are blowing my mind. You guys are brilliant. I myself am a Catholic. I don't really believe in anything but I stick to things for tradition. Plus it's a "good" code to help raise children (brainwash them to be good and fit in). I'm siding with c4nn4bliss becasue figuring out the origin of man and the birth of consciousness requires an open mind. Scientific method is great in the short run but it falls apart and stifles new lines of thought.

Has anyone seen "What the Bleep Do We Know?". Great movie about quantum mechanics and the clash between it and general relativity. I think (hope) we are about to break the walls down and expand into higher dimensions. While we run around within 2 dimensions (yes we're 3D I know, but it takes so much energy to move around in the z plane.) There's got to be more.

Thanks for everyone's insight. Potheads are the best!

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 04:39 AM

Everyone should have something they are a nerd about:p

Oneironaut

03-22-2006, 04:39 AM

Evolution does not require a single missing link, but a innumerable amount. We should be surrounded by a zoo of transitional forms that cannt be put into a category as one particular certain life form.
What? How could species possibly exist like that? There needs to be some definite group whose members are all capable of interbreeding with each other. That's what a species is. If there is any outlying member incapable of interbreeding with such a group (i.e. it doesn't belong to any species) it dies.

Let me demonstrate evolution with an example from linguistics. Linguistic evolution, like biological evolution, has scientifically proven by examining the historical evidence. The two processes also work in very similar ways, but linguistic evolution is of course much faster.

We have a continuous literary record in Europe stretching all the way back to ancient Greece. From this literary record we can see that the languages we call Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian and Romanian are all just modern forms of Latin. When the Roman Empire stretched across the Mediterranean, there was a lot of travel between areas of the empire and because of this there was a high degree of communication between distant peoples. This resulted in a very uniform language that could be understood everywhere.

After the Empire collapsed, the various groups did not have the means to travel everywhere. Hardly anyone ever went a few miles away from home. The different groups were geographically separated from each other and were unable to communicate with each other.

We all know that no child speaks exactly the same language as their parents. Every new generation invents new words and new ways of speaking. They are speaking the same basic language as the parents but with slight modifications. Over time these changes add up. In Europe, the various local dialects of Latin underwent separate courses of change and gradually the people became less and less able to understand each other. After a few centuries the different dialects had diverged to the point that they were separate languages. If you look over the documents of European history, you can see for yourself how all this happened.

And yet, we do not see a zoo of transitional languages, because you have to make yourself understood to a certain group speaking a certain language or else you are understood by nobody.

The fossil record is very incomplete because the vast majority of organisms simply don't fossilize. It is a very very rare occurrence. When we see forms "suddenly appearing", it's because some organism that had been quietly evolving with no trace suddenly found favorable conditions to thrive. Why should that not happen from time to time?

Evolution is the best explanation we have. Look at the actual fossil evidence for yourself. Read up on molecular biology. Please. If you do not, you will not understand it the way you want to understand it. And if you can't come up with an better alternative theory you are not going to convince me that this one is wrong. What other process could possibly bring about life, if not God or aliens?

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 05:40 AM

What im trying to get at is that you would think that out of the millions of fossils you would find a ?missing-link? set to complete one gap in the evolutional theory.

I hear what your saying about the evolution of lingustics and its apparent that it has the "basics of evolution". I wouldn't compare the evolution of life and the evolution of language because it is much easier to acknowledge that language evolves than life. Im not at all saying that life does not evolve I am simply trying to fill gaps that I NEED to be satisfied for belief. Enoug belief for me to be able to tell someone that this is what happened and the hows and the whys.

Lets switch gears for a second?

To my understanding science has conducted experiments to basically simulate the conditions of early earth and in these experiments some produced components of DNA and RNA protiens. What I get stuck on so easily is how non-living matter could jump to even the simplest cells(bacteria). Bacteria lacks a nucleus correct?How can something like a cell which has thousands of enzymes that closely resemble todays machines have started from non-living material? To me cells basically contain power generators, factories, transportation systems and so on. The cell follows specific guidelines almost as if each cell was a mircroscopic city. How can something this complex become so complex on its own with no guidance?? I do understand that we lack the concept of infinite time and I see time as part of the equation of evolution but it baffles me that something this complex can become this complex on its own AND not to mention starting from non-living material. To me this is to complex and we are just talking about cell?s. You and me are a completely different story. I hate to say it cause ill get flamed but evolution seems to be simple-mined and over confident.

I am not ending this here I just have to take a break to eat?. Please comment back

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 05:59 AM

For the evolutional process to work the fact "With time anything is possible" has to be in place. How can something like DNA create itself? Incase anyone isnt familiar or they are stoned DNA is contains all of your genetic codes and billions of complicated codes and structures.The structure itself is completely amazing and I have the utmost respect for it and however it was created by. Im sure you have all seen pictures of what a strand of DNA would look like. The spiraling sides of each DNA ladder is made of complicated sugar and phosphate compounds, and the ladders across are nitrogen compounds. Everyones codes are different which when you think of all the people in history you can start you realize the diversity it. I do not want to get into too much detail but if you want you can easily research how it works. Basically all the cells divide and almost instantly a pair is created. Just as people in society have a role to complete the enzymes have a role to complete, but that is hardly a good comparison. One enzyme is responsible for basically spell checking the entire process and has to be HIGHLY INTELLIGENT to achieve this process at the rate it does. The DNA in your body acts as the commander to all your cells and tells them exactly what to do and they do it. For this to work it HAD to have been correct from the get-go! Each cell contains a hundred thousand million atoms, yet each atom will be arranged in a specific order. How could that come out of a evolutional process?? THIS IS JUST A VERY VERY SIMPLE OVERVIEW OF DNA! SHALL WE GO INTO RNA???

beachguy in thongs

03-22-2006, 02:56 PM

I'm skipping a couple pages for now, but if aliens did bring us here, then it's only because they couldn't find suitable conditions for life, anywhere near, and they brought us as cells, because we're not too far evolved to not notice our webbed-hands and feet, and an eyelid, similar to crocodiles, that kept the water out which we consider "junk in the corner of our eye".

beachguy in thongs

03-22-2006, 02:58 PM

And that first atom came about through gases in space. Where did that space come from?

BizzleLuvin

03-22-2006, 09:56 PM

im a cosmologist and a darwinist. i believe we evolved from bacteria that formed with the creation of the earth, which formed from the Solar Nebula Theory. i believe we came from outer-space...from an asteriod that brought the first traces of hydrogen that formed our atmosphere which set the conditions for life. thats my shpeal. i think we are all made of stars.

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 10:02 PM

you say that but can you explain how our highly complex DNA came from bacteria????????????? Our DNA hasnt evolved either.

You make it sound like you dont understand just how highly advanced our DNA is, its fucking mind blowing

Take the highest form of data storage we will ever create and then make it biological and shrink it down thats your DNA in laymens terms

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 10:05 PM

And that first atom came about through gases in space. Where did that space come from?

as i say this scientists are at work trying to put answers in to fit the pieces of the universal questions. Really its only a matter of time till they are able to explain it and then its only a matter of time for it to be proven wrong or right by other generations. Its a ongoing system which is why i dont put much faith in it to begin with, although i do understand its the best we got.

del...

03-22-2006, 10:22 PM

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 10:39 PM

i know about the chimps and the same with mice correct????

im talking about where/how dna started

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 10:40 PM

When i talk about the complexity of DNA im talking about JUST DNA not the differences. DNA itself is highly complex either being humans, primates, rodents....

and why our DNA hasnt evolved, whats makes it the expection

Euphoric

03-22-2006, 11:00 PM

i know about the chimps and the same with mice correct????

im talking about where/how dna started

Did you just say we share the same genetic similarities with apes as we do with mice?! :eek:
You havent read anything on evolution have u? Hahah funny. I bet most of the people going on about aliens and god havent taken the time to read either the basics of evolution OR the bible.

*DNA supposedly evolved very slowly from a more simple code, RNA. I think.

*Evolution is a natural mechanism, like the tides moving from the moon's gravity, it doesnt need something to create it.

* Primates are not simply less evolved humans. Groups of creatures break off and are subjected to different enviromental pressures and evolve different sets of adaptations.

-I'm sure aliens exist, but they dont seem to have altered our genetics..

* Props to oneiraunt, beachguy + del i enjoyed your posts :thumbsup:

To smoking skeleton..youve got some good ideas but u need to read more :D same with king kong..its good to think outside the box but try to accompany it with something more than speculation

--> Everyone Read: The Dragons of Eden or charles darwin works, click on "evolution" in my sig

Peace

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 11:15 PM

I thought they say that DNA evolved from RNA because DNA was more efficent at what it did

So evolution has been was been and always will be???? Isnt that the same as God has been was been and always be?????????

So humans could have stopped evolving because there is no pressure to evolve???

Evolution is a theory. There is no evidence in the fossil record, only seperate species all the way down the line. If you are a man of science and reasoning please point me to some SOLID evidence that evolution is a truth. It has even been suggested by some scientists who have done tests that Neanderthals were not genetically related to humans. That means humans must have "evolved" from something else. Doesnt anyone else get annoyed that the theory of evolution is always presented as an absolute fact. Where is the SOLID evidence? Until then it shall reamin theory

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 11:21 PM

Explain to me why people evolved the ability to walk on two legs and come down from the trees to hunt buffalo or whatever when walking like a chimp is faster. We'd have been run down by a load of big cats who probably wouldn't have been able to believe their luck. What would have made human beings fitter to survive? Our brains are bigger but why did we evolve brains that are scientifically proven to only use a third of???

when i read about evolution it seems like a way to get people to think materialistically and to deny God. Then you get people like americans....

C4nn4Bliss

03-22-2006, 11:29 PM

Im suprised nobody has mentioned the genetic mutations theory...

Euphoric

03-22-2006, 11:46 PM

There is still pressure to evolve. Humans have not stopped evolving.

Show us this so called scientific fact that we're not geneticly similar to neanderthals!

Your facts are bunk man, science does not say that we only use 1/3 of our brain, either.

beachguy in thongs

03-22-2006, 11:51 PM

If you look into someones eyes ur looking at the key to the unvirse
That's nice. :)

beachguy in thongs

03-22-2006, 11:59 PM

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 12:17 AM

let me ask you this, what does something need to be fact

If we can map backwards to see our beginning why cant we map forwards to see what is next in the evolutional process?

1/3 was a ballpark but i do know we do not use a large portion, why not? we evolve parts that we seem to not use?? Some claim that we are losing a tail bone as time goes on because we "do not require it anymore". So if we dont use these portions of your brain would they disappear with time also???

You are taking it like i completely deny evolution. To me(like it or not) it seems like evolution and religion battle each other profusely and are at each others throats each being stubborn and saying they are right and the other is wrong. That is understandable, if evolution was completely proved then religion would be bunk. If religion was proved then evolution would be bunk.

You can spew all these facts and experiments and what not but it still doesnt explain the holes that I AM trying to fill so I CAN be satisfied with believing a theory. I dont know what part you dont get about that.

LETS TALK ABOUT DNA AND ITS COMPLEXITY AND HOW DNA STARTED!! THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE YOUR TAILBONE APPENDIX WEBS JUNK IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYE

(off-topic)why do evolutionists try to slit creationisms throat so fiercely like its a crack mission. Why would you want to rip someones beliefs right out from under them. Is someone wrong for believing something that merely gives them a outline of how to live life to be a better person and the chance to be rewarded in the afterlife for this??

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 12:23 AM

del...

03-23-2006, 12:27 AM

you tell us...you seem to have all the answers (although i have yet to see any sources). one can pull crap from one's butt all day long but it doesn't make it fact. can you show us where you get your idea's from? (besides the bible...)

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 12:28 AM

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Did you just say we share the same genetic similarities with apes as we do with mice?

I didnt notice you said this at first

I meant we share similarites to mice but not the same to chimps....

They use mice as models for human disease they are even currently(or close to) inserting human genes into mice genetic codes.....

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 12:38 AM

oh man...where to start, LOL! how about with this..."You make it sound like you dont understand just how highly advanced our DNA is, its fucking mind blowing"

yeah, so advanced we are 2% different from chimpanzee's? and this whole thing about missing evidence from the chain of evolution...are you saying because we have yet to find a certain 'missing link' that it does not exist? and our "complex chemical ractions" are no more profound than a pig's! which is precisely why they make such good tests subjects and transplants for humans.

i could go on but out of time...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/09/0924_020924_dnachimp.html

You might add that "whoops well that isnt a big difference" but it is when speaking in these terms, its large. These are actually based on just fragments of whats mapped out so when its finished how do you know someone might say "whoops well we were wrong sorry, fuck it!" "WE COME FROM __________" instert new bullshit here....

As soon as i find a reliable source backing up what i have said before i will post it, its not like i bookmark every study i read or webpage you demanding fuckers

Im not the only one who isnt posting reliable sources......

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 12:59 AM

Ill be back to talk bout this later tonight, dont think im backing out but this is the only time this week ive had a chance to get some videoing gaming in, gotta take advantage fellas

mfactor420

03-23-2006, 02:16 AM

Ill be back to talk bout this later tonight, dont think im backing out but this is the only time this week ive had a chance to get some videoing gaming in, gotta take advantage fellas

I was beginning to wonder if you did anything else besides provide us with great information on such a hugely debated topic. Kudos, dude!:thumbsup:

I still think there is a God of sorts and It (He/She) designed life on earth and its sustainability and even designed evolution. Without evolution, we wouldn't all be here now. I don't think we came from apes. But that doesn't mean there isn't some kind of evolutionary process at work as Darwin suggested.

Geez, though, this thread sure takes alot of time to read and digest.:D

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 02:44 AM

I was beginning to wonder if you did anything else besides provide us with great information on such a hugely debated topic. Kudos, dude!:thumbsup:

I still think there is a God of sorts and It (He/She) designed life on earth and its sustainability and even designed evolution. Without evolution, we wouldn't all be here now. I don't think we came from apes. But that doesn't mean there isn't some kind of evolutionary process at work as Darwin suggested.

Geez, though, this thread sure takes alot of time to read and digest.:D

Yeah ive heard people that were for both evolution and religion(oddly enough) to say that a creator use evolution and natural selection as a fine tuning method but im not all for that idea unless i could find more information on it, sounds sketchy but like i said you really have to keep an open mind

Smokey McPot

03-23-2006, 03:55 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHA...wow..thank you..i dont know why rthat was funny but it was.

I think that we started out as apes...but then the aliens came and added a gene or something..in wich caused us to slowly change into human beings..this being said, i think that is why we hear about the myestrious wall paintings the possibly depict UFO aliens and whatever supernatural activity. Sometimes i also think that jesus was an alien reporter sent to cover what was going on and go to emotionally imvolved in his work so the the alien company he worked for fired him and never gave him a ride home. Thenn the church was like wtf.

Sorry......i hopesome of that makes sence if you can under stand my morbid spelling:p

No aliens did not give apes a gene.........HA HA. Ever heard of adaptation or evolution?

Do a research on galopagos islands or charles darwin, then you will understand.

Animals adapt to their surroundings after a long period of time and the evolve.

mfactor420

03-23-2006, 05:35 AM

Yeah ive heard people that were for both evolution and religion(oddly enough) to say that a creator use evolution and natural selection as a fine tuning method but im not all for that idea unless i could find more information on it, sounds sketchy but like i said you really have to keep an open mind

Woah! I never said "religion". I said "God of sorts" which could be "higher power", but not "religion". Religion is man made and is a pile of crap. It's not really what our Creator had in mind for us. Religion is used to subjegate and control the masses. For me to believe in some higher power does not mean I am religious. I could be wrong, but under my belief, religion is what people do every Sunday in church and that's not the same as believing in some sort of Higher power. I don't need to prescribe to some church doctrine to believe that there is some sort of Higer Power that created us and the universe (call it "faith" or gut instinct) and in so doing, realized that for long term sustainability, that Higher Power was smart enough to build in evolution.

After all, if we are to take the Bible as Gospel, that Higher power was smart enough to realize the we would be sinners always and the way our species is f****** up the planet with our consumptive ways and wasteful unenvironmentally friendly attitudes, there had better be some kind of evolution to take care of our mess because we are sinning something awful on this planet.

One more point. There is an album by Orb, called "Orblivion". Listen to track 7, called S.A.L.T. At -55 seconds of that track, the narrator begins to talk about evolution. The interesting point he raises is what death is. He states that evolution is itself evolving and that our death (the apocolypse) is just a natural step in that process (leap) of evolution. "By the very definition of apocolypse, mankind must cease to exist, at least in a material form. Well, it will evolve into something that transcends matter. Into a species of pure thought."

That's some pretty heavy s*** to be considering, but let the idea sink in, keep an open mind and you will realize as I have, that this makes perfect sense. If you have to, smoke a couple of real good joints.

I think the other part worth some thought was when the narrator was talking about the frog never considering or imagining that his simple croak would evolve into all the diffrerent speach patterns we now know (for those of you who believe we evolved from reptiles). So too, can we not comprehend or consider our destiny. I'm not so sure about this. I think our minds can consider and imagine our evolutionary future and that's what separates us from most animals. I believe in some ways, dolphins are smarter than us. They know stuff we don't. We either don't know it or repressed it over time.

That's enough for now.:thumbsup:

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 05:52 AM

yeah i wasnt talking about you but religion was a bad choice of words, i was watching a movie while writing that.

That would explain alot, humans seem to be stuck in a rut

I would believe in evolution fully if they could admit that it couldnt have started itself

As we speak scientists are dedicating their whole lives trying to answer questions like these.I for one am skeptical about what evolution teachs you but then again i am also skeptical about what creationism teaches you so i dont know why you people who believe in evolution are so convinced about it...gimme a break!

mfactor420

03-23-2006, 06:03 AM

..........I would believe in evolution fully if they could admit that it couldnt have started itself..........

Therein lies the conundrum for the evolutionist theory. It does not convincingly explain how it actually began. Where did it come from? Who or what conceived the concept? There's no question it is fantastically complex. Big bang theory? Ok, who or what created that?:confused:

C4nn4Bliss

03-23-2006, 06:15 AM

Exactly, it explains the process but it doesnt explain the VERY START, the most important part. Who gives a fuck about that if you cant explain the start.

it seems like they scrape and claw at everything they can to try and explain what started it. Like i said something as complex as DNA couldnt come from something non-living. I dont like how evolution is founded on something like with enough time anything is possible.

If there is a creator that wanted you to believe in him and him creating life im sure he would want you to be able to be 100 percent sure but to have faith, something that science is afraid of.

Like i said, how could evolutionists belive in something with such confidence when so many things in science have sooner or later been proven to be incorrect when people believed in it. Not to mention there isnt any solid evidence backing up evolution.