Bush denies Iraq is in civil war

[Great Spirit]

Ya ok...when you have multiple factions fighting each other for power in Iraq...that is not civil war? We fucked it up for Iraq as soon as we went in there. Good going Mabus! Gotta have all that oil to remain the sole superpower killing innocents in the name of material prosperity.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4829786.stm

US President George W Bush has said he does not believe Iraq has descended into civil war but urged the nation's leaders to confront sectarian violence.

Mr Bush said Iraqis had "had a chance to fall apart and they didn't".

At the weekend, Iraq's former interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi told the BBC 50 to 60 people were dying every day and that the country was in civil war.

Mr Bush hinted to reporters that US troops would remain in Iraq beyond the end of his presidency in January 2009.

Asked about a timetable for the full withdrawal of US troops, President Bush said: "That of course is an objective and that will be decided by future presidents and future governments of Iraq."

Mr Bush was speaking at the White House in his second major news conference this year.

Mosque attack

The president admitted there would be tough fighting ahead in Iraq, but after referring to the sectarian violence that followed the bombing of a Shia Muslim mosque in Samarra last month, he said: "Iraqis took a look and decided not to go to civil war."

"The army didn't bust up into sectarian divisions, the army stayed united," he said.

"Secondly I was pleased to see the religious leaders stand up. Ayatollah Sistani for example was very clear in his denunciation of violence and the need for the country to stay united," the president added, referring to one of Iraq's most senior Shia clerics.

Mr Bush said there were many voices that disagreed with Mr Allawi's view, including President Jalal Talabani and top US commander Gen George Casey.

But he said sectarian violence must be confronted by the Iraqi government with its better trained police force.

Mr Bush said he remained confident, three years after the US-led invasion, that his strategy would succeed.
He praised the sacrifice made by members of the US military in Iraq, adding: "If I didn't believe we could succeed, I wouldn't be there. I wouldn't put those kids there."

President Bush has faced plummeting approval ratings. A poll conducted last week showed his personal rating at 36%, compared to 57% a year ago.

In the same survey, 65% of Americans said they were dissatisfied with the president's handling of the war.

More than 2,300 US soldiers have been killed since the 2003 invasion. A US soldier was shot dead in Baghdad on Tuesday.

Mr Bush defended his decision to invade Iraq.

"I didn't want war. To assume I wanted war is just flat wrong... No president wants war."

Mr Bush stood by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who has faced renewed criticism over his handling of Iraq, saying: "I don't believe he should resign. He's done a fine job. Every war plan looks good on paper until you meet the enemy."

Investigation

Tuesday's news conference came as US military investigators flew to Iraq to study reports that marines shot dead at least 15 civilians, including seven women and three children, in Haditha in November 2005.

The military's initial claim that the civilians died in a roadside blast was disproved by an earlier investigation.

The latest inquiry comes after a Time magazine reporter said he had been given a video by an Iraqi human rights group showing the civilians "could not have been killed by a roadside bomb".

Mr Bush did not refer to the issue in the news conference but he did touch on the US dialogue with Iran over Iraq.

He said he had given the US ambassador in Iraq permission to tell Iran that any attempt to spread sectarian violence or bolster Iraqi insurgents was "unacceptable".

The US and Iran have not had an open dialogue since the hostage crisis of 1979. Mr Bush insisted any talks would not cover Iran's nuclear programme.

He added: "If the Iranians were to have a nuclear weapon, they could blackmail the world."

[eg420ne]

Your lying eyes are at it again huh GS..i've been meaning to see an eye doc about my lying eyes syndrome---

and to think our lordbush wants war with iran thats going to be a pretty sight for my lying eyes as well...repeat bushes cult members sacred formula--bush is great. bush is god. jesus loves GWbushit.

[Great Spirit]

He has issues...

[Psycho4Bud]

In a civil war you usually see 100's maybe 1000's of opposing troops doing battle. Where is this? All the shit you see on the news is direct from the sunni triangle. What about the northern Kurds...where's their civil war....what about the southern Shi'ites?

It's like what you see the troops say on the tube, don't believe everything that you see in the media!

[eg420ne]

What should i do about my lying eye syndrome psycho-can you recommend a doc

[Psycho4Bud]

What should i do about my lying eye syndrome psycho-can you recommend a doc

LOL....got a recomendation.....quit looking at that fuckin' Alex Jones shit....it's giving ya some type of evil glaucoma! Kind of like crotch rot of the retina!!!:thumbsup:

[Miss Green]

I just don't see how there isn't a civil war bush is talking total shit it's not a lie it's a FACT.How anyone can sit there and say that bush is or is going to be sucessful is total crap there was no legitate reason as to why they went to the war and second of all they are kids over there and they shouldn't be there wasting there lives/dying over there and for what?You can't say that america was/is going to be invaded it never has and never will.And quite honestly who would want to do that anyway?And there is way more death over there than when saddam was in charge so explain that.It was like the other night on the news these American soilders shot to Iraqi citzens dead whislt driving through and it was a family not some the so called "terroist" It was quite shameful how these children will have no mother and father and for what purpose?They weren't doing anything wrong they were driving home.:mad:

[Great Spirit]

Remember that the ONLY reason we are in Iraq right now is for the oil so Amerika can try to retain superpower status. Iraq having WMD and spreading democracy to Iraq is bullshit and Bush is using that as cover for the invasion, but Saddam was an asshole that Amerika put into power anyway. If the Iraqi people wanted democracy, they would have done it themselves.

Next war will be with Iran because they are another big ass oil producer, and Bush will use their nuclear program as justification for the war. He will not have a hard time selling the war to the public because Iran's leaders have made it clear that they are trying to enrich the uranium which can create a nuclear bomb, although they claim it is for electricity.

But like I said before, I think Amerika will committ another "terrorist" attack with a dirty bomb in a metropolitan area and blame it on Iran so that will greatly increase Amerikan patriotism and hatred for Iran.

Bush and his family are all war profiters.

[Psycho4Bud]

Remember that the ONLY reason we are in Iraq right now is for the oil so Amerika can try to retain superpower status. Iraq having WMD and spreading democracy to Iraq is bullshit and Bush is using that as cover for the invasion, but Saddam was an asshole that Amerika put into power anyway. If the Iraqi people wanted democracy, they would have done it themselves.

Next war will be with Iran because they are another big ass oil producer, and Bush will use their nuclear program as justification for the war. He will not have a hard time selling the war to the public because Iran's leaders have made it clear that they are trying to enrich the uranium which can create a nuclear bomb, although they claim it is for electricity.

But like I said before, I think Amerika will committ another "terrorist" attack with a dirty bomb in a metropolitan area and blame it on Iran so that will greatly increase Amerikan patriotism and hatred for Iran.

Bush and his family are all war profiters.

Your disclaimer says it all!

"Disclaimer: Any posts made by me are purely fictional in nature and by no means is anything I say to be taken seriously. "

[Great Spirit]

Your disclaimer says it all! "Disclaimer: Any posts made by me are purely fictional in nature and by no means is anything I say to be taken seriously. " With all due respect, I'm not the one who believes terrorists with little boxcutters highjacked airplanes on 9/11. Only the ignorant and misinformed would believe a fabricated story like that. Bush signing the Patriot Act just weeks after 9/11 and surrendering your rights in the name of security should have been your first clue that this was all a big sham to bring in a fascist dictatorship. I mean, if there's a bill that says the President can do pretty much whatever he wants for a temporary amount of time, shouldn't Congress have had at least read that bill? It is afterall one of the most important and corrupt pieces of legislation ever passed.

He who has an ear...let him hear!!!!

[mont974x4]

Only the ignorant and misinformed would believe the conspiracy theories floating around. I blame Elvis, he sin't dead he converted to Islam. lol

BTW I really enjoyed watching Bush lay the smackdown yesterday. lmao

[Psycho4Bud]

With all due respect, I'm not the one who believes terrorists with little boxcutters highjacked airplanes on 9/11. Only the ignorant and misinformed would believe a fabricated story like that. Bush signing the Patriot Act just weeks after 9/11 and surrendering your rights in the name of security should have been your first clue that this was all a big sham to bring in a fascist dictatorship.

YOUR disclaimer, not mine. But explain to me what rights I've given up. I'm doing the same shit today as I did pre-9-11. I don't kill people or build bombs or chat to people overseas about weapons so I guess that could be the reason MY freedoms have been left alone. :thumbsup:

[MoonStarer420]

Bush signing the Patriot Act just weeks after 9/11 and surrendering your rights in the name of security should have been your first clue that this was all a big sham to bring in a fascist dictatorship.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"-Benjamin Franklin

[Great Spirit]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"-Benjamin Franklin

So very true. Then it would have been in vain which our forefathers fought for.

For one, the government has publically announced that they are spying on their citizens by phone calls and scanning their email for key words such as fascism, drugs, jihad, etc. That message is then processed to see if there is any "threat". This is an illegal act and forbidden under the 4th amendment of the US Constitution.

Oh wait.......Bush wiped his ass with the constitution on 9/11 so it makes little difference.

You people have a hard time with acceptance. Shit, marijuana prohibition is a big conspiracy! You have another thing coming if you think Amerika could never be turned into a fascist dictatorship. lol. Look at this quote by Fuhrer Bush...

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror." George W. Bush to the United Nations General Assembly (November 10, 2001)

You've been warned!! I don't want to hear "oh why didn't you tell us!!"

[Psycho4Bud]

You have another thing coming if you think Amerika could never be turned into a fascist dictatorship. lol. Look at this quote by Fuhrer Bush...

Only by revolution.

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror." George W. Bush to the United Nations General Assembly (November 10, 2001)

So what part of that quote bites ya? Your free in the U.S. to spew whatever garbage theorys but people have to use their heads and realize that the most of the crap is for entertainment purposes only. OR to sell videos for $14.95!:thumbsup:

[mont974x4]

LOL Nice spin on that quote, Great Spirit.

[Great Spirit]

I don't kill people or build bombs or chat to people overseas about weapons so I guess that could be the reason MY freedoms have been left alone. :thumbsup:
Neither do I, but you are missing the point. Why do you defend this man? Under the 4th amendment of the Constitution, phone tapping and email monitoring is illegal without a warrant as it is a search plain and simple! Thats why we have this amendment. This is like trying to teach 5 year olds. Why is this so hard for you to understand??!!

Amerika has built bombs and killed innocents for a long time. Shit slavery ended in the British Empire before Amerika ended it. Land of the free?? Tell me why we must build bombs to kill people? I mean afterall the neocons say Amerika is supposed to be a Christian nation isn't it.......well isn't it? Jesus is recorded saying in the canonical gospels to turn the other cheek. If Amerika was truly a Christian nation, we would have lived in peace and not fought any wars and lived George Washington's vision on isolationism. Amerika should have been modeled after Canada. At least they didn't fight for an independant government...it was granted to them because they didn't complain as Amerika did!! Canada is one of the most peaceful nations in existence and they are way more tolerant socially, especially in regards to marijuana.

Lol boy...GW has you by the balls more than I thought!! He is a good liar I will give him that. Remember too that Hitler was a great liar as well and fascinated the people by his speeches of victory and progress of the German people.

Indeed the only way we may have peace is when Mother Earth will do it for us with huge earth changes and many deaths (12.21.12)...a great purification. Earth has too many people for Her to sustain and we are exploiting her resources and the Earth is too polluted.

"I'm a war President" - G.W. Bush. That doesn't really look good for a country who calls itself the land of the free.

You have been warned child.

[Great Spirit]

But still you guys never answered my question though. This is how I will determine some things.

Do you believe there were actual terrorists on real commercial airliners that flew into the WTC? Do you believe a commercial airplane flew into the Pentagon?

Also, whom do you believe set the Reichstag on fire? Was it the communist Marinus van der Lubbe? The Reichstag Fire was a pivotal moment to the rise of the Nazis just so you know.

Just let me remind you that history indeed does repeat.

psst! hint hint! Bush is Mabus..the third anti-christ. amerika will be turned into a full fascist dictatorship because 9/11 was a hoax!

[Psycho4Bud]

Neither do I, but you are missing the point. Why do you defend this man? Under the 4th amendment of the Constitution, phone tapping and email monitoring is illegal without a warrant as it is a search plain and simple! Thats why we have this amendment. This is like trying to teach 5 year olds. Why is this so hard for you to understand??!!

Nice rant. Now what freedoms have I lost since I'm not hangin' with terrorist groups?

Amerika has built bombs and killed innocents for a long time. Shit slavery ended in the British Empire before Amerika ended it. Land of the free??

It wasn't the U.S. shipping the slaves from Africa, who was that?

Tell me why we must build bombs to kill people? I mean afterall the neocons say Amerika is supposed to be a Christian nation isn't it.......well isn't it?

No, freedom of religion. Who the fuck ever said the U.S. was a Christian state?

Jesus is recorded saying in the canonical gospels to turn the other cheek. If Amerika was truly a Christian nation, we would have lived in peace and not fought any wars and lived George Washington's vision on isolationism.

When your closest enemy was a boat ride of over 50 days away, it was a nice philosophy. Missles travel pretty far and quick.

Amerika should have been modeled after Canada. At least they didn't fight for an independant government...it was granted to them because they didn't complain as Amerika did!! Canada is one of the most peaceful nations in existence and they are way more tolerant socially, especially in regards to marijuana.

Canada, Canada....and how long do ya think they would have been Canada during the U.S.S.R. era without the good ol' U.S. sitting right there?

Lol boy...GW has you by the balls more than I thought!! He is a good liar I will give him that. Remember too that Hitler was a great liar as well and fascinated the people by his speeches of victory and progress of the German people.

Oh yah, Mabus right?

Indeed the only way we may have peace is when Mother Earth will do it for us with huge earth changes and many deaths (12.21.12)...a great purification. Earth has too many people for Her to sustain and we are exploiting her resources and the Earth is too polluted.

Agree with ya on that at least. When mother earth will decide who lives and dies at her will!

"I'm a war President" - G.W. Bush. That doesn't really look good for a country who calls itself the land of the free.

Any President that serves during a time of war is a war President. And your point is?

You have been warned child.

Child??? LOL...how the fuck old are you? I'm 43 so I guess if I'm child you must be at least in your late 60's....gramps!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Thank you. Unfortunately, my worst fears have been realized. You know where I am at so please don't hesitate to come get me using the gray truck down the street thats been parked there for almost 3/4 of a year disguised as a construction company truck.

And I do mean thank you very much! :)

It was like you were waiting for me to reply.

Oh BTW, you still never answered my question.

[eg420ne]

The dog that did not bark
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11secretservice.html
With a supposedly unknown number of passenger jets in the air, crashing into buildings, with the President's presence at Booker announced in the media three days in advance, and with an airport just 4 miles away, how did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush was safe where he sat reading about goats? How did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush did not need to be thrown into his armored limo and driven off? How did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush wasn't making targets of all those children and teachers by remaining in that room? How did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush was not a target?
They knew in advance what the targets were.

[Psycho4Bud]

The dog that did not bark
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11secretservice.html
With a supposedly unknown number of passenger jets in the air, crashing into buildings, with the President's presence at Booker announced in the media three days in advance, and with an airport just 4 miles away, how did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush was safe where he sat reading about goats? How did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush did not need to be thrown into his armored limo and driven off? How did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush wasn't making targets of all those children and teachers by remaining in that room? How did the United States Secret Service KNOW that President Bush was not a target?
They knew in advance what the targets were.

Nice point!! ALL of the secret service on duty, family, and friends had to be paid off too!! Thanks eg42one...kind of missed those folk!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

OOOPS, sarcasm from another thread! SOOOOO SORRY!!:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

LoL