That is IT!

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Okay, everyone. I was just reading a thread "Teacher vs. Me" and I think the majority of you are ignorant fuckers willing to let life pass you by.

You were all flaming the kid for being ignorant, not respecting those who have died for us, and for being a blatant pothead.

You know what? Fuck you all. It's people like him with the BALLS to stand up who are going to advance, not the people who thrash those brave enough to stand up. Government is a ruined ideal, Religion took a left turn to nowhere, and the people in power are on a trip that many of us will neither experience nor understand.

Government...where to begin. Government started as the bandit parties who went around killing people and stealing their food. The people banded together to protect themselves, copying the bandits' system. Government has its advantages, such as building transportation systems and such, but it has two major flaws.

First of all, it runs off of money. MONEY. You want something done? Where's the cold hard cash? People are hungry? Well, we need money to feed them. We need to build a road? We need money to pay the workers. You want to connect computers together to revolutionize communication? Sure, but where's my money? Honestly, nothing can get done without money. Why? What's so special about a little note saying you have 10 whatever? I think the first greedy person was the person who invented money. Truly greedy, now. People were stealing each other's treasures long before a piece of paper was considered valuable.

Second, it relies on people. People who are prone to lies, cheating, and stealing just as much as you and I. Do you want people like that controlling your life? Begging for money to support projects, many of which don't concern you? Do you really? Hmm...interesting. I didn't know there were that many self-destructive people around here.

Nowadays, government is nothing but a way for people to steal from their peers and get them to do what they want. Pretty messed up, huh?

Religion...Religion...a good idea gone bad. Religion started as people whose beliefs were similar getting together and practicing their beliefs together. Now, it's a system of control. We all think alike, we don't complain as much. Who will argue with God's will, I ask you? No one. No one who can think, anyway. Why not believe what YOU believe, and keeping it to yourself? I mean, if someone asks, tell them. But if not, don't force it upon myself or others. It gets old.

Power...Power...People are in power. They control your life. They determine what you see, what you feel, what you like, what you dislike, what you love, what you hate, what you buy, what you refuse to buy, which restraunts you frequent, which restraunts you don't, what you use to power your life, what car you drive, what clothes you wear, what clothes you wouldn't wear for anything...everything about you, they are in control. Why? Because you let them. You give them money, you look up to them as "role models" because they have money. You elect them, you love them because they're doing "so much" when, more often than not, they are simply stealing from the community.

Fuck them, fuck power, fuck government, fuck religion, and fuck all of you who don't see what shit is being pulled over our eyes.

Think for yourselves, don't think what others have told you to think. Respect those who you know personally. They gave their life for you? That's their choice, you didn't ask for it. I wouldn't give my life for you all. I care about me and those I love, not those in the future or the past. I'm not going to give my life...my precious life...for someone I will never meet...who may never be born.

You all riding your high horses because you're a patriot and respect your country, you support crime more than any organized crime syndicate. Governments make the worst crimes every day, and you support them.

Fuck
You
ALL!


You can flame me now.

[Its a Plant]

Power...Power...People are in power. They control your life. They determine what you see, what you feel, what you like, what you dislike, what you love, what you hate, what you buy, what you refuse to buy, which restraunts you frequent, which restraunts you don't, what you use to power your life, what car you drive, what clothes you wear, what clothes you wouldn't wear for anything...everything about you, they are in control. Why? Because you let them. You give them money, you look up to them as "role models" because they have money. You elect them, you love them because they're doing "so much" when, more often than not, they are simply stealing from the community.

I don't know if I agree with that at all. People ultimately make their own choices, and as far as "giving them money," I'm assuming you mean paying taxes like any LAW ABIDING citizen. That's the law, so what the hell can you do about it. One person standing up for his beliefs isn't going to help our movement. There's not another Rosa Parks sitting on another bus somewhere. Times have changed.

I will agree with you that governments as a whole are totally off course from the original blueprint. In theory, most govt.'s do work. It's the people that fuck up the system. That we do see eye to eye on.

Okay, I'm done. Good rant man. :p

[TonyD]

Flame Flame Flame

It's about to get as hot as a motherfucker.

[ethsfreshman]

I agree with you penguin.

our government lies to us, steals from us, and tells us whats good for us. religion tells us we are wrong in whatever we do and that we are all undeserving little bastards, and we will go to "hell" for not kissing up to the bishops.
Im not gonna stand for the pledge, nor should anyone else.

[hex.shaman]

Tis the truth man. I'm not sure what other thread you are talking about but I agree with what you said.

[Pete Rock]

the people bashing the kid who made the thread teacher vs. me were bashing him not because he stood up for what he believed, but because he took the wrong approach and tactics in doing so.

[Jeff Spicoli]

The only reason he did it was for attention. He wasn't standing up for shit, he was just trying to be cool.
and for FUCK SAKES, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT YOU HIPPY FUCKERS, MOVE IF IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH

[Polymirize]

You're quite the revolutionary Penguin. Frankly I don't know where you find the time to be so radical what with school, and rushing home to watch digimon every afternoon or whatever the fuck you youngsters are doing to keep it real these days. That and the ladies, am I right?

The world is ready and waiting for you to step up like an adult and start becoming a positive force for change. But if all you want to do is bitch and moan maybe you should wait till you're a little older and your balls have dropped a little lower so the rest of society can't discount you so quickly for being a child who doesn't know what he's talking about.

fight the good fight man.

[Apachetear]

Okay, everyone. I was just reading a thread "Teacher vs. Me" and I think the majority of you are ignorant fuckers willing to let life pass you by.

You were all flaming the kid for being ignorant, not respecting those who have died for us, and for being a blatant pothead.

You know what? Fuck you all. It's people like him with the BALLS to stand up who are going to advance, not the people who thrash those brave enough to stand up. Government is a ruined ideal, Religion took a left turn to nowhere, and the people in power are on a trip that many of us will neither experience nor understand.



The people with the balls to stand up over a trivial issue of standing and reciting a few words, it's less effort to simply give lip service and not care. He had the balls to stand up, yes. But he stood up for the wrong issue - if he has problems with the system, maybe he should a) move country to where the system is kinder....or b) become part of the system, become a local governer or whatever floats your boat 'n' campaign for whatever you believe in. I reckon a website forum (this forum) worth of petition signatures, and anyone else you can find would do a lil' something more than telling a teacher that you think the pledge is a pile of shite.



Government...where to begin. Government started as the bandit parties who went around killing people and stealing their food. The people banded together to protect themselves, copying the bandits' system. Government has its advantages, such as building transportation systems and such, but it has two major flaws.

First of all, it runs off of money. MONEY. You want something done? Where's the cold hard cash? People are hungry? Well, we need money to feed them. We need to build a road? We need money to pay the workers. You want to connect computers together to revolutionize communication? Sure, but where's my money? Honestly, nothing can get done without money. Why? What's so special about a little note saying you have 10 whatever? I think the first greedy person was the person who invented money. Truly greedy, now. People were stealing each other's treasures long before a piece of paper was considered valuable.

Second, it relies on people. People who are prone to lies, cheating, and stealing just as much as you and I. Do you want people like that controlling your life? Begging for money to support projects, many of which don't concern you? Do you really? Hmm...interesting. I didn't know there were that many self-destructive people around here.


Government actually started when land was taken over by those stronger than the weak. They begun excercising their beliefs over the land they controlled and soon a government arose - not a democratic government though, more of an oligarchy.

Today we have a different government, a democracy - and yes, it may not be the best of things. but it's the lesser of all evils. You may throw both anarchism and communism at me as better than Democracy - but then I want you to show me the succesful countries that operate under both those systems. Russia failed as a communist state quite catastrophically. I don't know of an anarchist state...

Your issues with money, who gives a fuck? yes it's a piece of paper with 10 on - that's worth 10 little pieces of metal or whatever. Everything needs cold hard cash because that's how it's always been. Exchanging thing for thing - whether it was bartering "I'll trade you a goat and 2 rabbits for a night with your wife" or primitive money with conch shells or snail shells....money exists for the reason that otherwise.....it would all be theft "I'll jus' take that from you - I haven't anything to give you in return because money doesn't exist"

that sounds like a really fuckin' great state of affairs doesn't it?




Nowadays, government is nothing but a way for people to steal from their peers and get them to do what they want. Pretty messed up, huh?


Actually, think of it like this. Each and every democratic government has to sway to the desires of us the public - as the driving motivation for them is to get votes to stay in power the next election....they don't get us to do what they want. They see which way the winds blowing and sway with it.

don't throw this in my face saying "Well, why isn't pot legal then - why don't they listen?" it's because it's something that will gain them a minority of votes yet lose them a majority. It's simple politics...



Religion...Religion...a good idea gone bad. Religion started as people whose beliefs were similar getting together and practicing their beliefs together. Now, it's a system of control. We all think alike, we don't complain as much. Who will argue with God's will, I ask you? No one. No one who can think, anyway. Why not believe what YOU believe, and keeping it to yourself? I mean, if someone asks, tell them. But if not, don't force it upon myself or others. It gets old.


I agree here. Except - it's a system of control that (generally) the people who are controlled are those who choose to be...


Power...Power...People are in power. They control your life. They determine what you see, what you feel, what you like, what you dislike, what you love, what you hate, what you buy, what you refuse to buy, which restraunts you frequent, which restraunts you don't, what you use to power your life, what car you drive, what clothes you wear, what clothes you wouldn't wear for anything...everything about you, they are in control. Why? Because you let them. You give them money, you look up to them as "role models" because they have money. You elect them, you love them because they're doing "so much" when, more often than not, they are simply stealing from the community.

They don't determine what I see, nor what I feel, nor what I like, not what I love, nor what I hate, nor what I buy, nor what I refuse to, nor what restaraunt I frequent. None of those things.

If the people in power determined what I saw - I wouldn't be able to trip. If they determined what I felt - I wouldn't get stoned. If they dictated what I liked - they I wouldn't like my lifestyle as it stands due to parts of it being illegal in nature. If they dictated what I loved and hated - then I would not only love these people in power, I would also not hate them...restaraunts is the most ridiculous point in the universe lol, since when do those in power steer us to the nearest 'Abra Kebabra' Or whatever instead of Kentucky Fucked Chicken...?

For the record - I don't pay tax currently, nor do you - we aren't giving them money. And I don't think any of us think that the people in power are role models.



Fuck them, fuck power, fuck government, fuck religion, and fuck all of you who don't see what shit is being pulled over our eyes.


If that's your attitude to us who don't see we're being fooled - why spend such a lengthy time explaining this to us?



Think for yourselves, don't think what others have told you to think. Respect those who you know personally. They gave their life for you? That's their choice, you didn't ask for it. I wouldn't give my life for you all. I care about me and those I love, not those in the future or the past. I'm not going to give my life...my precious life...for someone I will never meet...who may never be born.


So, you're demanding us to think for ourselves. Seems a bit contradictary in nature ;). They gave their life not for us. They gave their life because of orders. If we're talking Iraq - I don't think anyone should be fooled into thinking that by attacking a pissy little country like that is defending us.

also, if they don't exist yet - you aren't really giving your life for them. You're giving your life for their would be parents, if you're giving it at all lol.



You all riding your high horses because you're a patriot and respect your country, you support crime more than any organized crime syndicate. Governments make the worst crimes every day, and you support them.

Fuck
You
ALL!


By definition, they commit no crimes - as they are the law makers...they are able to make it so that what they do is not a crime. Patriotism I simply don't understand, in the UK I feel there is less of a sense of national pride than there is in USA...why take pride in what is essentially a mass of land that's existed so long before you and will exist so long after you....?


Fuck you too :-)


You can flame me now.

I believe I have, quite articulately ;)

[WeekenD TokeR]

FUCK SAKES, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT YOU HIPPY FUCKERS, MOVE IF IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH

Woah, woah... You're bagging hippies on a site devoted to cannabis?! Idiot.

Fight the power people! Stick it to the man! Protest! Do all that shit I can't be fucked doing!

Night night.

[knave666]

Think for yourselves, don't think what others have told you to think. Respect those who you know personally. They gave their life for you? That's their choice, you didn't ask for it. I wouldn't give my life for you all. I care about me and those I love, not those in the future or the past. I'm not going to give my life...my precious life...for someone I will never meet...who may never be born.

You all riding your high horses because you're a patriot and respect your country, you support crime more than any organized crime syndicate. Governments make the worst crimes every day, and you support them.

You can flame me now.


Don't mind if I do.

Wat the fuck is up with this "I didn't ask them to die for their country" bullshit. Even if you don't know a single veteran, your lifes a hell of a lot sweeter cos of what they sacrificed. Living in a wet ditch fighting off the forces of facism. I'm fucking glad we didn't roll over for Nazism. I wouldn't want to be forced to pledge allegience to the Swastika every morning.

Christ, your selfish attitude is pathetic. you figure since your government are cunts, you may as well be one as well? Your just looking out for no.1 and thats not helping anything. you have a problem with your government? How about you do something about it, or fuck off

[MullManiac]

He was being a dick, he is the type of guy who smokes weed to be cool, although he doesnt have to do anything he sould have at least stood up if just to show respect and gratitude to his teacher and his classmates and if he doesnt wish to show either of them to anyone then he shouldnt be in school and doesnt deserve the teachers time.
I realy disslike peopel like him, they are selfish and unworthy of people like his teachers time and effort.

[tokinggreg]

I am really appalled by all the people who randomly chant "Fuck the Government" when they don't know the first thing about all the functions it actually has. National Defense, Construction of Highways/Mass Transit Systems/Bridges, Providing Social Security and Job Security, Funding Public Education through Secondary School, among many other things...

Yeah they illegalized drugs, and that's a damn shame. Some of them are quite fun. So yes, there are certain things the government should revise, and it does on a year to year basis. You chants should be "Reform the Government" or "Amend the Laws," not "Fuck the Government." You only say that out of inexperience because you don't even know what the government does.

I'm so frustrated, I need to take a break from this website for a while. Sometimes I feel like there's just a bunch of little kids brainwashed by the bullshit of other little kids festering and polluting the pages of this site. I wish some people could freaking grow up and learn to respect those who deserve respect (ie soldiers fighting overseas.)

Peace

[Its a Plant]

THANK you greg.

I for one am thankful for what our govt. does for us, even though I might not always agree with some things they do.

And spicoli summed up what needed to be said. If it really does bother anyone that much, quit writing tedious complaints on some weed forum and go out and do something about it...or move.

[psychocat]

Too many damn kids with no education , no sense and very little in the way of respect. All Goverments are corrupt but unless we come up with a real alternative and stand and be counted then we are stuck with what we have,if everyone thought I'm not gonna pay my taxes and I'm not going to go to work then you would have no education system, no hospitals or any of the other things you take for granted every day.I hate the idea of working to pay for layabouts and junkies but the system is abused by them while people with real problems have to struggle, I would be a lot tougher on the useless fucks who never actualy contribute to anything constructive.
The introduction of the human rights act is a freecard for perverts and criminals and the UK is definately worse of because of it.

What do you call 500 lawyers at the bottom of the sea??






A fuckin' good start.

[ethsfreshman]

our current government is what i am fed up with,
You know my state ALONE got EIGHTY TWO BILLION DOLLARS for road repairs?
Our tax dollars are being used to pay for repairing roads, when there are people who cant even support themselves. and the funny thing is is that all these lower-my-taxes-give-me-my-guns conservatives are all like against legalizing pot, yet they dont realize it would generate so much money, that taxes could be lowered.
God, people are so dimwitted.

[Kryzco]

Yeah I heard about that too

and yet the roads are still shitty

so they could fix the entire dan ryan

when it was just one part

stupid fuckin shit man I tell you

[ethsfreshman]

And during hurricane katrina millions of tax dollars were used to do... NOTHING!!! i was down there whee the levees broke in january. i saw all of new orleans. nothing looks any different. there is still trash everywhere, there are STILL dead bodies lying about, there are STILL people with nowhere to go, but hey, good ol' georgie sent some natl. guard tanks down HIMSELF to guard.... A SUPER FUCKING WALMART!
he had them specifically instructed to shoot anyone trespassing.
and they had rows and rows and rows of canned goods, but they did not just give them away... noooo... they shipped them off to another walmart to salvage what was not damaged!
The national guard troops were not saving people, (i heard this directly from someone who was in the storm) they were going to guard stores from looters!

[DazedNblazed]

This is generation x right here, but you say that one person cant change things but thats how it starts one person stands up for what he believes in then someone else sees that and there like woah i agree with him and then you have 2 people and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger, but i dont really hate the governmant i just dont care about them im still gonna smoke weed even if they dont like it.

[Kryzco]

shit its sad to see that oprah did more for new orleans that the fuckin president!

as for standing for the pledge, I did and then I stopped doing it and I got bitched at for it, but to me if they can't respect my beliefs what is the point of putting up with theirs?

as for the war, I'm against it all the way, because its a pointless war and just another example of how the us govt gets into shit that has nothing to do with them, but I respect the men and women for fighting there, its ultimately their decision so what the fuck can I say about it, it has nothing to do with me what they choose to do with their lives

i just think the us govt should be concerned with their own fuckin problems, instead of making more overseas

[Kryzco]

This is generation x right here, but you say that one person cant change things but thats how it starts one person stands up for what he believes in then someone else sees that and there like woah i agree with him and then you have 2 people and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger, but i dont really hate the governmant i just dont care about them im still gonna smoke weed even if they dont like it.
amen man

there is power in numbers!

they can arrest one person for walking down the street smoking a joint but your damned if they can stop 10,000 without complication

[psychocat]

shit its sad to see that oprah did more for new orleans that the fuckin president!

as for standing for the pledge, I did and then I stopped doing it and I got bitched at for it, but to me if they can't respect my beliefs what is the point of putting up with theirs? :thumbsup: Where is the freedom in that?

as for the war, I'm against it all the way, because its a pointless war and just another example of how the us govt gets into shit that has nothing to do with them, but I respect the men and women for fighting there, its ultimately their decision so what the fuck can I say about it, it has nothing to do with me what they choose to do with their lives

i just think the us govt should be concerned with their own fuckin problems, instead of making more overseas

With you 100% man! :thumbsup: :cool: :smokin:

[alex32]

wait, wait, wait, complain about one thing at a time, LEGALISE WEED, omg a second ago i forgot how to spell 'legalise' so i went onto dictionary.com, typed it in, and the example that came up was...... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=LEGALISE

[slipknotpsycho]

I'm fucking glad we didn't roll over for Nazism. I wouldn't want to be forced to pledge allegience to the Swastika every morning.
maybe you haven't noticed... but we pledge allegience to the american flag alot.. how is this any diffrent? i had problems with god and with the govt. yet in school i was forced to pledge to that stupid flag..


you have a problem with your government? How about you do something about it, or fuck off
the govt. doesn't work for the right people... atleast around here... the people who have 100k dollar houses get college scholarships, the people who are barely able to make ends meet don't get the help... the lazy asses who don't want to get a job get food stamps (this isn't all the time but i've seen it happen) but the people working like hell trying to make it get shit, because they make a few extra dollars more then maximum limit to be a approved for food stamps.. which puts them in a bad spot, they can't quit their job to get on foodstamps cuz then they'd lose everything else (utilities, car, house, so on).... and maybe you haven't noticed this either, but people have tried to speak out against the govt. it doesn't work... the only people the govt listens to is the people in upper society, maybe once every blue moon they'll listen to someone from the middle society.... and if i ever saw them listen to and heed the words of the lower society i'd probably have a heart attack and shit my pants at the same time...

the way i feel i've seen said here before it went something like:

the govt. we know today is a failed idea

which i truely believe... it was a great idea at first.. but over time it just got more fucked up and more fucked up... but then again, what can you possibly expect from men who say the words "every man is created equal in gods eyes" yet own slaves (yes it's partly from a stand up comedy special, i do believe chris rock, but it's a good and valid point nonetheless)

[psychocat]

Sweet man. :D :cool: :rasta: :smokin:

[Its a Plant]

And during hurricane katrina millions of tax dollars were used to do... NOTHING!!! i was down there whee the levees broke in january. i saw all of new orleans. nothing looks any different. there is still trash everywhere, there are STILL dead bodies lying about, there are STILL people with nowhere to go, but hey, good ol' georgie sent some natl. guard tanks down HIMSELF to guard.... A SUPER FUCKING WALMART!
he had them specifically instructed to shoot anyone trespassing.
and they had rows and rows and rows of canned goods, but they did not just give them away... noooo... they shipped them off to another walmart to salvage what was not damaged!
The national guard troops were not saving people, (i heard this directly from someone who was in the storm) they were going to guard stores from looters!

I feel yah on the lack of response to Katrina, but I also understand that there were tons of people looting and stealing from stores. Sure, they were hungry and cold or whatever, but you still can't take the law into your own hands. I think the problem was the lack of organization as far as clean-up and rebuilding went. It was all just a big mess, with no order at all, and no one to organize a system of getting things back to normal. I noticed that when our city was recently hit by a couple tornadoes. The next few days after the storms, our lovely mayor and governor ROD kept flying over the city observing the damage, then holding press conferences saying how bad the damage was. There was no one to organize clean up crews or help get food, clothes, or shelter to those who need it. I think it was the leader of a local outreach program called Contact Ministries that finally stepped up and called for those who wanted to volunteer to meet at a certain location. Just goes to show that it isn't really helping if you just fly over those affected instead of right there with them. Kind of ironic huh? The leaders of the city and state are flying overhead, while all the little people are just looking up and watching, waiting for help.

[ethsfreshman]

Yeah, i know...

Vote for the green party...

[psychocat]

Elusive leaders living in ivory towers man. :(

[TonyD]

Having to recite something in school is just not right.

It amazes me Americans have to do that kind of shit.

[DazedNblazed]

The governamnt is good in some ways and bad in some ways but nothing is perfect. Good thing is that we do actually need them to control us just a little bit because if there was no governmant it would be total anarchy and that is not a good thing there would be looting of stores raping of women and random killings in the streets the human race itself would become extinct in a matter of not time.

[Brey]

Fuck you penguin!!!

ur right abt the government, and even a little bit right abt religion, but my question is: who cares?
so everythings fucked up, the government is trying to fuck u in the ass, and religions not offering any help.
welcome to the real world, u immature fuck.

[verklingen]

Don't worry, a good portion of you will grow up one day. Get your anti-establishment sentiments out of your system while you're still a minor and avoid legal repercussions.

[slipknotpsycho]

i miss the days when mostly everyone got along, now it's the opposite.. seems like now everyone's always ready to start judging/insulting people at any second..... this is a fuckin cannabis board.. can't we all just smoke along?

[God v2.0]

I think pengie is right in alot of ways. You are never going to make any kind of progress if you follow the "rules" (rules being accepted standards). Good example, roughly 300 years ago Europeans thought the world was flat.........then one wacked out hippy named Chris Columbus decided to try something different. Well he found another continent with people on it. Quite a big discovery even though he was defying the norm.

However, by pointless rebellion you don't accomplish much in fact it's usually counter-productive, the key here is to think in an intellegent way, outside the box.

Refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance doesnt accomplish anything, in fact its counterproductive to whoever decided to institute the pledge, but you could be a pioneer of new thought if you decided to reject the pledge of allegience and everything it stands for and u have a good reason for doing so.

[TheAtomicPunk]

You're quite the revolutionary Penguin. Frankly I don't know where you find the time to be so radical what with school, and rushing home to watch digimon every afternoon or whatever the fuck you youngsters are doing to keep it real these days. That and the ladies, am I right?

The world is ready and waiting for you to step up like an adult and start becoming a positive force for change. But if all you want to do is bitch and moan maybe you should wait till you're a little older and your balls have dropped a little lower so the rest of society can't discount you so quickly for being a child who doesn't know what he's talking about.

fight the good fight man.


Fuck you, you son of a bitch. Don't fuckin talk to penguin like that.

[pixel]

have faith in mankind my friend.... consider what it could be one day and spend your life working people towards that.

ever notice how when you take a walk outside and you see someone on your path far ahead? either u or that person will probably switch sides of the street so you don't have to do anything but nod your head or say hello.

FUCK THAT. stay on the same side, if he switches, switch to his side then stop and talk to him!! ask him how hes doin, current events, spark up a little conversation. when you keep walking you will feel good about other people and i guarentee with the right timing and conversational skills you can almost change his outlook on mankind just with that talk.

hehe someone did it to me once and i do it to everyone i see now when i take a walk.

"this world is hopeless, but i love it anyway" - from i dont remember but i love that quote

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

I have faith in Mankind.

We wouldn't need a true government if people could learn to stop fucking each other over every chance they get. And, how can government fix that when they spend their time getting rich off of their people? I think the people in power should be poor ass bastards who can barely afford food. You'll see the countries clean up pretty fucking fast, believe me.

Next, if you read my rant thoroughly, you'd see that I acknowledged government wasn't JUST evil. It has its uses. Public works, arts and architecture, communication...those are all great things. We could find other ways of doing it WITHOUT money, though.

I know that money is an important part of society, and I know that it makes things a lot easier, but surely someone can think of a better way of going about things. I've been working on it, but haven't found anything yet. I'll keep trying.

And no, this "fuck the government" attitude isn't just about saying fuck off to all the authorities. I do plan on trying to change it, and whoever's with me, thank you...I'm going to need lots of help...

This room didn't get as hot as I expected it to, by the way. Nor did I expect this to be on the top of the page.

Lastly, I know I contradicted myself by calling for you to think for yourself, which would mean I'm thinking for you. I'm glad you called me on it, because it shows you ARE thinking for yourself. Good job :)

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Oh, the whole we would be living in a facist commune thing...

I'd be speaking out, anyway. I'd get killed, boo hoo.

[hellomandude]

Penguin I feel you mad amounts on this...

Specially the govt. bit

Check it

The short and dignified preamble explain the goals of our forfathers under the constituion. "We the people of the Unites States, in order for form a more perfect union, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosperity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America." I personally do not the todays government is quite up to par with the vision of our forfathers. Liberty in itself describes that rich freedom that comes with being an American. But how free is it? What with the war on drugs initiated by Nixon, the obstructtion to the first ammendment made by George W. Bush at one of his rallys... How free are we really if we let government tell what is right and wrong for us? What is 'ok'? My take is that every individual has theyre own opinions and no matter what kind of law or sense of equality you try to establish... every person thinks differently then the next. But the fact is the war on drugs, and the control of substances greatly increases the number of people in jail and therefore increases the overall crime rate. Domestic Tranquility? Better think twice. Promotion of the general welfare? Well, if that's what you call ruining lives and being the cause of thousands of deaths around the country every year, then sure. I myself am ashamed of what our government had become..

[psychocat]

There will always be a need for money or a trade/barter system because someone else will always have what you want and hopefully you yourself will always have something to offer, thats just how it is.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

I know. Maybe some things should just be free?

Surely food, shelter, and a basic landline telephone should be free. At NO ONE'S expense. That's the trouble. Those 3 things are pretty basic needs, and should be free. But, with our current system, we can't do that at other people's expense. I don't know what to do...

[iamenfuego]

thank u penguin.. our gov't is so stupid, they give america a false name. bush is stupid and is like hitler and they legalize alcohol and tobaco when there is not one death from marijuana...use ur head dumb fuckin government.

goerge washington grew marijuana and Abe Lincoln smoked it..we used to be a cool country

[DazedNblazed]

Gas should be free im 16yrs old and making minuim wage i cant pay $40 to fill up my tank.

[iamenfuego]

i guarantee u i could have a much better life living in a nice area of jamaica with an ok job. or amsterdam or Canada.

Canada knows what there doing, they dont get INVOLVED. there smart and kno how to run a country.

[Kronus76]

so whats the deal with penguin? is it just me or is he like....15 or somehitng.

just cut the bullshit man, you just DON'T have the wisdom and experiences to back up your ego of thinking youve figuered everyrhitng out. ooooooo wow, lets all behold the wisdom of a fucking high school sophomore, real impressive.

like honestly, its fine that youre thinking about stuff like this, but if i were to go through and nit-pick that pile of worthlessness you just wrote about gov't it would take me all day. youre so fundamentally wrong it's embarassing.

"oo fuck the government, they lie, they steal, theyre bad people, they control us" YOURE 15, dont act liek you know the in's and out's of how a government works, and why they do what they do.

im in no way defending the american government or refuting it, if i wanted to do that i wouldn't post it on a board that's meant for the "methods of using cannabis."

all in all, i want to give a big 'pull your head out of your ass' to penguin, because face it man, youre not nearly as knowledgable and insightful as you build yourself up to be

[insanity]

Where the fuck do you get your infromation dude?

First, government did not start as bandit party that killed and stole foods. That is a fucking third grade explanation to explain the evils of government. Government started as nomadic response to protect centralized land areas they would eventually settle. Besides government is not run off money, it is run off power. They have the power to make you pay for these things, they have the power to do things, they have the power to inact laws on you. Why do they have this power? Because we let them. Sorry dude, but unless you can start a revolution you should do something to change the system from within (its called working to elect an ideal government).

On money, you do realize a government can't give out things for free. Like it or not, resources do not grow on trees. The government must control the means of production, and they can not do it if there is no monetary system to keep the system vibrant. Sorry man, but that problem will follow you everywhere.

On religion. There are lots of religions out there and you can not generalize all of them. Besides, people naturally seek some sort of spirtual exsistance, because we want to believe we are not alone. Sure, certain dogmatic traditions have destoryed the names of lots of religions, but you can only blame those responsible. Saying fuck religion is like saying fuck humanity.

On power. Power is everywhere, always has been, always will be. I agree, the system sucks. However, you make it seem like free will is doomed by power. This is not the case, because you are free to choose to be under different power strctures. Also, you are free to live outside the power structure, and people have done it many times before.

On you. You need to stop bitching, dude. Fuck that shit. Personally, I'm about as liberal as they come, but I don't spend my time bitching about how much I hate big brother government. I spend my time working on campagins, I've ran for mayor, I've helped orginizae a national campaign, I'm studying history and poliy sci just so I can do my part to rid ignorance. You seem to be talking about revolution, but your not doing anything to prevent it. Do you want to fucking die fighting a corrupt system, or do you want to work hard so you kids don't have to worry about it? Look, I like reading your posts, but this attitude (and the attitude of SweetDreams420) shows no maturity, just a middle finger to every thing because you refuse to take the long road to peace.

Note: I am really high and trying to type.

[LordRuffleMontgomery]

I know. Maybe some things should just be free?

Surely food, shelter, and a basic landline telephone should be free. At NO ONE'S expense. That's the trouble. Those 3 things are pretty basic needs, and should be free. But, with our current system, we can't do that at other people's expense. I don't know what to do...

The reason that you can't think of any other viable alternatives to the monetary system (a natural extension of the barter system), is because they do not exist. Capitalism is by far the most beneficial economic system we have, and helps many, many more than it can ever hurt. Although for those that cannot work, such as the disabled, are and should be provided for those basic needs (except for a telephone, that seems somewhat out of place), for those able to work, but refuse to for a variety of reasons, the government should not have to bear the burden of their mistakes.

Also, you rally against government in one paragraph, and in the next you promote much greater government control, this time over private industry and interest. Seems a bit contradictive.

You're also way off on religion. Religion, in modern America, is a very positive force in the lives of many. Most people willingly submit to religious control, for their own reasons, and reap many rewards. Now, I'm not a religious person myself, but for those who believe that's a viable avenue towards spiritual enlightment, then more power to them. Religious organizations also help to encourage charity and tolerance towards others, something that I'm sure you'd be for.

[Polymirize]

Fuck you, you son of a bitch. Don't fuckin talk to penguin like that.

What, you mean challenge him to take up a sense of responsibility as opposed to passing the buck and talking about the horrible things others have done while remaining passive about the whole state of affairs?

We've all got to grow up sometime. If you can't accept that then you're walking a fine line between sheltering and suffocating.

[slpntrx5]

FACT: fighting on the internet is like racing in the special olympics: you may win, but you're still retarted. peace :dance:

oh, and also, you guys who say shit about obeying the law like a "good citizen" or w/e: you're a fucking POTHEAD, and you're breaking laws every time you hit that shit, so stfu about obeying the law until you stop toking, k? :thumbsup:

[Strikerrr]

i'm gonna be honest. I used to not be down with you. now i am. fuck people who flame.

[DazedNblazed]

Who cares.

[slipknotpsycho]

so whats the deal with penguin? is it just me or is he like....15 or somehitng.
that's a pretty assanine statement.... his age has nothing to do with this topic period... there's absolutely no reason why he can't know just as much about the govt. and living situations ect. ect. as a 40 yr old...... not to brag, but i've known people who're alot older then me, went to, and graduated college, yet they don't know near as much as i do, and i've not even graduated high school... to a certain extent age is just a number, it's how one applies thyself that builds the intelligence, and knowledge, especially on topics such as this, not age...

[KoRnStaR]

Okay, everyone. I was just reading a thread "Teacher vs. Me" and I think the majority of you are ignorant fuckers willing to let life pass you by.

You were all flaming the kid for being ignorant, not respecting those who have died for us, and for being a blatant pothead.

You know what? Fuck you all. It's people like him with the BALLS to stand up who are going to advance, not the people who thrash those brave enough to stand up. Government is a ruined ideal, Religion took a left turn to nowhere, and the people in power are on a trip that many of us will neither experience nor understand.

Government...where to begin. Government started as the bandit parties who went around killing people and stealing their food. The people banded together to protect themselves, copying the bandits' system. Government has its advantages, such as building transportation systems and such, but it has two major flaws.

First of all, it runs off of money. MONEY. You want something done? Where's the cold hard cash? People are hungry? Well, we need money to feed them. We need to build a road? We need money to pay the workers. You want to connect computers together to revolutionize communication? Sure, but where's my money? Honestly, nothing can get done without money. Why? What's so special about a little note saying you have 10 whatever? I think the first greedy person was the person who invented money. Truly greedy, now. People were stealing each other's treasures long before a piece of paper was considered valuable.

Second, it relies on people. People who are prone to lies, cheating, and stealing just as much as you and I. Do you want people like that controlling your life? Begging for money to support projects, many of which don't concern you? Do you really? Hmm...interesting. I didn't know there were that many self-destructive people around here.

Nowadays, government is nothing but a way for people to steal from their peers and get them to do what they want. Pretty messed up, huh?

Religion...Religion...a good idea gone bad. Religion started as people whose beliefs were similar getting together and practicing their beliefs together. Now, it's a system of control. We all think alike, we don't complain as much. Who will argue with God's will, I ask you? No one. No one who can think, anyway. Why not believe what YOU believe, and keeping it to yourself? I mean, if someone asks, tell them. But if not, don't force it upon myself or others. It gets old.

Power...Power...People are in power. They control your life. They determine what you see, what you feel, what you like, what you dislike, what you love, what you hate, what you buy, what you refuse to buy, which restraunts you frequent, which restraunts you don't, what you use to power your life, what car you drive, what clothes you wear, what clothes you wouldn't wear for anything...everything about you, they are in control. Why? Because you let them. You give them money, you look up to them as "role models" because they have money. You elect them, you love them because they're doing "so much" when, more often than not, they are simply stealing from the community.

Fuck them, fuck power, fuck government, fuck religion, and fuck all of you who don't see what shit is being pulled over our eyes.

Think for yourselves, don't think what others have told you to think. Respect those who you know personally. They gave their life for you? That's their choice, you didn't ask for it. I wouldn't give my life for you all. I care about me and those I love, not those in the future or the past. I'm not going to give my life...my precious life...for someone I will never meet...who may never be born.

You all riding your high horses because you're a patriot and respect your country, you support crime more than any organized crime syndicate. Governments make the worst crimes every day, and you support them.

Fuck
You
ALL!


You can flame me now.

Yes, because he has such huge gigantic gargantuan balls for not wanting to stand during the pledge.

It's called being an attention whore. I'm atheist, I don't necessary agree with all that shit -- but even if I do sit during the pledge, what the FUCK does that accomplish?

[zephyrinne]

Where the fuck do you get your infromation dude?

First, government did not start as bandit party that killed and stole foods. That is a fucking third grade explanation to explain the evils of government. Government started as nomadic response to protect centralized land areas they would eventually settle. Besides government is not run off money, it is run off power. They have the power to make you pay for these things, they have the power to do things, they have the power to inact laws on you. Why do they have this power? Because we let them. Sorry dude, but unless you can start a revolution you should do something to change the system from within (its called working to elect an ideal government).

On money, you do realize a government can't give out things for free. Like it or not, resources do not grow on trees. The government must control the means of production, and they can not do it if there is no monetary system to keep the system vibrant. Sorry man, but that problem will follow you everywhere.

On religion. There are lots of religions out there and you can not generalize all of them. Besides, people naturally seek some sort of spirtual exsistance, because we want to believe we are not alone. Sure, certain dogmatic traditions have destoryed the names of lots of religions, but you can only blame those responsible. Saying fuck religion is like saying fuck humanity.

On power. Power is everywhere, always has been, always will be. I agree, the system sucks. However, you make it seem like free will is doomed by power. This is not the case, because you are free to choose to be under different power strctures. Also, you are free to live outside the power structure, and people have done it many times before.

On you. You need to stop bitching, dude. Fuck that shit. Personally, I'm about as liberal as they come, but I don't spend my time bitching about how much I hate big brother government. I spend my time working on campagins, I've ran for mayor, I've helped orginizae a national campaign, I'm studying history and poliy sci just so I can do my part to rid ignorance. You seem to be talking about revolution, but your not doing anything to prevent it. Do you want to fucking die fighting a corrupt system, or do you want to work hard so you kids don't have to worry about it? Look, I like reading your posts, but this attitude (and the attitude of SweetDreams420) shows no maturity, just a middle finger to every thing because you refuse to take the long road to peace.

Note: I am really high and trying to type.


Needed to be said... thanks! :) I have never seen kids bitch so much about stuff they know so little about in all my life. :rolleyes:

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

What, you mean challenge him to take up a sense of responsibility as opposed to passing the buck and talking about the horrible things others have done while remaining passive about the whole state of affairs?

We've all got to grow up sometime. If you can't accept that then you're walking a fine line between sheltering and suffocating.

I do plan on trying to change it, Polymirize. You threw down the challenge, like you always do, and I'm taking you up on it.

Okay, the nomadic thing, that's my personal opinion. HOWEVER, if you look at it, it makes more sense. There were people, honest farmers who would band together just to be social so they could...I dunno...reproduce, maybe? (I'm being very sarcastic) Well, when you have a group of good people together, just living, there are no problems. Zero, zip, nada, zilch, the big 0. No problems.

Introduce one person who decides to steal instead of working for his living, and the family he or she steals from will band together and probably kill him.

Now, a group of thieves rally around a particular strong thief or bandit or whatever. Mind you, what history teachers tell you is all the generally accepted scientific standpoint. Were any of them there at the time? No. Is there a written record? No. It's all guesswork. Anyway, this GROUP of thieves or robbers or whatever can and will terrorize a peaceful group of nomadic people without a problem. So, what do the peaceful do? They band together for protection. Then they start making permanent homes, and need ways of building on to their permanent area...I think you all get the picture.

Next, I do not like any form of control over people. Government or otherwise, I don't condone it. An individual is an individual and has every right to do what they will. If they make life harder on other people, then those other people should take the matter in to their hands. Anarchy, and it's cruel, but people learn a lot better about being nice to each other if their neighbor is going to be the one coming at him with a shotgun, not some judge who's going to send him away for a little while.

Yes, I am 15. But I don't just sit here spouting off about things I don't have clue one about. I know how government works. I have for a long time, and if you think my age is some sort of hindrance, nay, a flaw of mine, fuck you. I have no control over my date of birth, nor do you. Now shut up.

It's not money in and of itself that is at fault. People should be allowed certain things freely. The fact that we withold food, shelter, clothing, communication, and education from people because they can't pay for it is complete bullshit. And making people who can pay for it is bullshit, too. It is my firm belief that people should be given the necessities of life without worrying about having to give something back. That's just basic human compassion. Probably a billion people are dying because they don't have money to pay for food. Not that there's a shortage, because there isn't. These people are basic people who can't afford food or even land to grow food on. They're usually lucky enough to have a tiny little hut they built themselves to keep themselves from the cruelties of nature.

I feel like I'm forgetting something...

Religion...the "light of our lives"...I never said that spirituality, or looking to God for inspiration is wrong. I said organized religion is. People don't need to be bullied in to being nice to each other. That is basically what most religions do. Buddhism is my favorite religion of those I have looked at, simply because it basically says "Do what you will, but expect to pay for what evil you have done to others". It acknowledges that we all have the choice to do what we want, but also tells us being mean to each other is bad. A great philosophy, in my opinion.

That wasn't what I was forgetting, though >.<

Now I remember.

There is no true democracy in this world at the moment. We, America, who so proudly claim to be a democratic nation, are actually classified as a democratic oligarchal republic. No joke. People with lots of possessions have a greater say in government (don't even try to debunk that) and we democratically elect people to make decisions for us, most of the time without us even knowing what's going on.

The last true democracy was Greece. 400 people chosen at random every couple of years formed the Senate. If someone had a problem, they took it to the Senate and hade a vote. If the Senate vetos the notion, the person can ask for mor people to come and help. That's as much as I can remember about their government, but it was closer to a democracy than we are now. A true democracy would call for a nationwide election before doing ANYTHING.

Anyway, if you agree with me, great. If not, great. It's your choice.

[rhinoblanco]

SOOOO MUCH TO READ....

[Adolf Smittler]

weed = philosophising = strong opinions = disagreements = conflict = war. let's all give up weed for good!

[123456]

you know whats scary, the fact that hitler came to power through the "wonderful" system of democracy. This is scary for two reasons. 1st it shows how huge of an error we are capable of making as people. Secondly it show that through democracy some crazy single minded asshole like the dude who started this thread can gain as much power as they want.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Nice to know you think I'm like Hitler, 123456...

[LordRuffleMontgomery]

In an anarchy however, one person or conglomerate eventually gains enough power to assume leadership by force, taking things full circle. The problem is, it's impossible to ensure equality under an anarchist system. Also, on organized religion, some do find the need for spiritual guidance and a community via a church, mosque, etc. It's also completely voluntary, and not necessary for religious beliefs. You can't deny that organized religion does wonders for charity and the homeless. Just think of it as a community of willing participants who come together in the faculty of spiritual enlightenment.

For the record, I'm not trying to flame you or piss you off, back when I was 15 I was exactly like you. (Not ment to patronize.)

[hellomandude]

na with anarchy ud be robbin fools left and right
every man for himself
no one person would come out on top, it just wouldnt happen
constant war
predation
like tru animals

[CocaCola]

Finally someone understands a little bit. good job Penguin, keep up the good work. Most of you don't even realize the breakthrough he's had, but you pretend you do... it's alright though, cause you might not know it.

You're quite the revolutionary Penguin. Frankly I don't know where you find the time to be so radical what with school, and rushing home to watch digimon every afternoon or whatever the fuck you youngsters are doing to keep it real these days. That and the ladies, am I right?

The world is ready and waiting for you to step up like an adult and start becoming a positive force for change. But if all you want to do is bitch and moan maybe you should wait till you're a little older and your balls have dropped a little lower so the rest of society can't discount you so quickly for being a child who doesn't know what he's talking about.

fight the good fight man.

Society is stupid, your missing the point, and you can suck my balls cause you're an ignorant guy.

I read more of the thread and I can see that most of you didn't get the point. You're still thinking about stupid crap that doesn't matter. What about charity and the homeless? You need a new bulb.

[hellomandude]

Finally someone understands a little bit. good job Penguin, keep up the good work. Most of you don't even realize the breakthrough he's had, but you pretend you do... it's alright though, cause you might not know it.


Society is stupid, your missing the point, and you can suck my balls cause you're an ignorant guy.

I read more of the thread and I can see that most of you didn't get the point. You're still thinking about stupid crap that doesn't matter. What about charity and the homeless? You need a new bulb.

sucks too, right

the only reason theyre doggin on em is BECAUSE hes a KID!

stupid fuckers

[CocaCola]

Needed to be said... thanks! :) I have never seen kids bitch so much about stuff they know so little about in all my life. :rolleyes:
You're an idiot. The older you are the smarter you are and the more you know? No. The older you are the longer you've been susceptive to lies... you simply don't get it and you can't... cause you're a POD.

[slipknotpsycho]

ok this spans for two threads (this one and the teacher vs. me one)... but it fits better here...
tell me exactly why you think the way you do (those opposing of penguin's opinions/thoughts) i mean, you're defending a govt. that lies to you, has been proven to lie to you, oppresses you and your habbits (smoking weed) and just generally rapes you in the ass day in day out as long as you let it go on.. i really can't understand your reasoning.... i mean i would think *ATLEAST* everyone here would want shit changed... (everyone applies to americans and those subject to american laws) but no, you are all so quick to flame and in one of your own words "bitch and moan" about someone else's thoughts and opinions... any [american] here that doesn't want a change in the govt. needs to really leave this site cuz you're smoking weed for all the wrong reasons, you obviously like it being illegalized, so you can run around sneaking here dodging jail/charges there.... anyone (in my own opinion) that doesn't atleast agree the govt. needs a serious revamp, is purely into weed/drugs for the thrill and not about what *I* feel weed (and other drugs, not all just some) is meant to be used for, which would be: medication (everything from nasuea and pain to depression and sleeplessness), to stress releif, to expand ones mind, to become more honed into what this world is about and where you fit into it... so tell me, are you into weed/drugs for the thrill, are you into it for the *right* (only right by my standards, tho i know alot of people do agree with me) reasons?

[CocaCola]

but you say that one person cant change things but thats how it starts one person stands up for what he believes in then someone else sees that and there like woah i agree with him and then you have 2 people and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

People should read this and think for a bit.

[insanity]

Penguin, you are still wrong about so much. A true democracy could NEVER work in America. Let me correct your facts a bit. Greece was never a democracy because ancient Greece was a never a fully unified country (minus the reign of Phillip and Alexander of Macedon). It was a collection of warring city-states, one of them (Athens) happened to be a democracy but it only worked because it was an isolated area. Also, the Athenian democracy only allowed men to serve and was not as random as you claim it to be. The purpose of the Athenian Democracy was to get as much people involved with the polis as possible. I will not detail how the whole thing worked, because it would take forever, but I will explain why this won't work in America.

The geographical size of America does not favor a true democracy. We can not move a certain number of people from each district to Washington for a month to deliberate on the issues of the day. It would be an orginizational nightmare and nothing would get done. If we had a system where everyone voted electronically, the system would be open to much more corruption then it is now. Sorry, a democratic republic is the best idea for a big country with a diverse background.

I can see why people have mentioned your age, because your worldview is soo narrow and uninformed. Look, I think it is shitty that people go hungry and uneducated in this country, but I don't spend my time bitching. Get off your fucking ass, get yourself educated, and go do something about it. I can see why liberalism is soo fucking dirty in this country, because it seems to be a copout to bitch about the system. You want to fix the system, why not write a letter to your Congressman, volunteer at a foodbank, or tutor inner-city kids in elementry school? You might not have the power to change the enitre government in one day, but you can atleast help people who are less fortunate than you.

[slipknotpsycho]

You want to fix the system, why not write a letter to your Congressman
many people here have tried that... they get an un-emotional generic 'thank you for your support' letter... which if they send a letter back like that after you sent in a letter with 'negatives' in it.. it could only mean one thing... they don't give a fuck and dont' even bother to open much less read your letter....


volunteer at a foodbank, or tutor inner-city kids in elementry school?
now that's a good idea... i disagree with you on the whole write your congressman thing cuz i've seen where it gets you, but i strongly agree with you on your views of just doing something as small as helping elementary kids, while not having some major impact on the govt. or world in general, it would still be helping your fellow man, not to mention, maybe some day someone will repay the favor when you're down on your luck..

[DazedNblazed]

Lets leave the politics to the politicans. <if thats even how you spell those words.

[insanity]

Lets leave the politics to the politicans. <if thats even how you spell those words.
That's a total copout. If you care at all about the future of the country then you should get involved.

[TheAtomicPunk]

Why does everyone on here have to talk politics. I hate it... No one can ever be right no matter how long you debate this. Facts are facts but you all throw in your opinons on the side. Just shutup, get the hell off the computer, and go smoke a bowl damnit.

[zephyrinne]

You're an idiot. The older you are the smarter you are and the more you know? No. The older you are the longer you've been susceptive to lies... you simply don't get it and you can't... cause you're a POD.

LOL

I'm an idiot? What about spewing "oh the government is evil... wooo, bad man trying to hold me down.' Suck it up and fucking deal with it like a man. These kids want to change something, go out and do it. Run for campaigns, and if you're not old enough, help out with campaigns for local leaders who YOU like. This country isn't going to anarchy anytime soon as you're all wanting, so you better elect leaders you like that will change and reform! Start an organization... bitching and moaning on a cannabis message board, of all places, is not going to change shit.

I see you're 17.. maybe once you get out of high school and into the real world of college/job/taxes/bills, you will see how much good government does for us, but there is always the bad shit that everyone bitches about. That's always a given with any governing body. Listen dude, I'm not trying to flame Penguin, you or anyone else, but you all really just need to expand your minds a little bit... they're so narrow and closed. You all act like everyone is out to get you..

Contrary to your belief, the older you are means you have more EXPERIENCE in dealing with the world.. you know how things work. Never said that being older makes you smarter, but more often than not.. it does. Susceptive to lies? Honey, I don't watch Fox News and CNN with all their media biases, as you might think. Hell yeah the government lies... but the government isn't all bad. Cheers! :)

[Mary Jane x3]

Penguin, you are my hero

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Wow...You know, whoever called me narrow-minded...you ended up having other narrow-minded people copying you calling me narrow-minded. It's amazing how you think I'm narrow-minded when I'm only asking for three basic things:

1) People to stop bitching about needing money for the poor and just giving those less fortunate food. This goes for people WORLD WIDE, not just in America. Not everyone can just buy a pass to this wonderful economy and get a job, especially since there are so many right-wing conservatives complaining about it nowadays.

2) For people to stop stabbing each other in the back and learn to live and let live. I'm not gay, gay sexual acts disturb me. Do I care if two gay guys fuck? No, because it's not my business. Do I care if one of my friends is gay? No, because it's not my business. It is my strong belief that as long as what you do in no way directly harms a person mentally or emotionally, then you are a good person and I could care less how "immoral" the act was.

3) For people to think for themselves. Fuck just sitting around letting what happens to you happen to you. If you have an opinion, you damn well better be free to express it. As long as what you ask for doesn't [U]DIRECTLY[U] harm other people, fine. I have faith in collective humanity to eventually learn to live with one another in peace. If not, then we must be devolving to the level of dumb beasts.

If that makes me narrow-minded, fuck it. I guess I'm narrow-minded.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Penguin, you are my hero

I think I found the first person to be a part of my new political party, The Free-Thinkers.

I hope you all remember the name Jake Martinez when you see the ballots in 20 or so years...

[Mary Jane x3]

I dunno why everyone sits here and flames the people that are standing up for what they believe. These people are gonna be the people in the future that are gonna make life better for the people sitting here flaming them, because they did something instead of sitting back and disagreeing with everything.

[slpntrx5]

you guys wanna know what's REALLY fucking sad? penguin stated his OPINION, and you guys can't even respect that shit! you have to "flame" him or whatever just because you don't agree with him! that's almost more hitler-like than almost all of injustices ive ever seen.

[slpntrx5]

I dunno why everyone sits here and flames the people that are standing up for what they believe. These people are gonna be the people in the future that are gonna make life better for the people sitting here flaming them, because they did something instead of sitting back and disagreeing with everything.

sorry for the double post, but im just really glad someone else here realizes how stupid flaming people is.
another thing: don't even begin to explain to someone how you're "gunna kik thur azz" or anything like that. unless you live in the same town and know where each other lives, just shut the fuck up. for my sanity and yours. just SHUT UP!!!! kay, fuckers? :thumbsup:

[insanity]

I think I found the first person to be a part of my new political party, The Free-Thinkers.

I hope you all remember the name Jake Martinez when you see the ballots in 20 or so years...
To be POTUS you need to be able to express yourself better. Your opinions are, infact, narrow minded and uninformed. Sorry man, but your ideas are not orignial, your free-thinkers party is oxymoronic, and you don't seem to understand the first thing about history or politics.

As I said earler, QUIT YOUR BITCHING AND DO SOMETHING NOW!

[slipknotpsycho]

QUIT YOUR BITCHING AND DO SOMETHING NOW!
and that would be what exactly? call the white house complaint department? or go there in person? maybe you haven't noticed... (you do seem pea-brained) but many many many people have complained before and got no where, it is veeeeeeeeery rarely anyone is ever heard.... everyone's got their own opinions on shit... how often do you see any of it being publisized, or the complaints/complaintants being taken seriously? you call him narrow minded, yet all you can say is "quit your bitching and do something" when there is, not a thing he can do... and back to the age thing, is it really fair that just because someone isn't 18 that they're not taken seriously cuz "their only kids" if so... then old people shouldn't be taken seriously either, becasue they're only old people... descrimation of one's views due to age is wrong, no matter how old or how young you are....

[DazedNblazed]

Who the fuck inspired this thread anyhow.

[insanity]

and that would be what exactly? call the white house complaint department? or go there in person? maybe you haven't noticed... (you do seem pea-brained) but many many many people have complained before and got no where, it is veeeeeeeeery rarely anyone is ever heard.... everyone's got their own opinions on shit... how often do you see any of it being publisized, or the complaints/complaintants being taken seriously? you call him narrow minded, yet all you can say is "quit your bitching and do something" when there is, not a thing he can do... and back to the age thing, is it really fair that just because someone isn't 18 that they're not taken seriously cuz "their only kids" if so... then old people shouldn't be taken seriously either, becasue they're only old people... descrimation of one's views due to age is wrong, no matter how old or how young you are....

I mentioned somethings he could do... like working at a foodbank or an inner city elementry school. The age thing is an issue, because his opionions seem to be formed off a sophmoric understanding of history.

[slipknotpsycho]

ok yea he can go help out and set an example.... but that doesn't take care of alot of his concerns he voiced in his post.... honestly, how would him volunteering (you said work, and in most states you can't work at that age, or it's very limited) change the screw ups the govt. has in it? how is that going to change the fact the world is driven by greed? you know awhile back, i had a thought (i was like maybe 10 or 11) what if everyone just came together as a community, and worked together, no money, and no one was left out... of course, we'd still need some type of govt./policing system... but how much better off would the world be if everyone worked together, to provide for each other, to protect each other... the only thing that prevents (probably in your words "stupid idea, or unrealistic") is the fact that the world is driven by greed... and that alone keeps every aspect of what i dreamt of when i was young, impossible to work... i can even take it further then penguin, i think the whole idea of money is just fucked... i mean... i've said it many times before and i'll say it over and over again, the rich only get richer and the poor only get poorer.... the poor work their ass off to survive, while the rich sit in a nice a/c'd office, doing absolutely nothing but talking/writing/typing or the like... how is that fair in any way??? it's not, and there's no way you can even begin to justify it... and any of you can flame me all you want, i really don't care.. cuz i'm confident in the fact that i have a mind and excersize the ability to use it on my own, to form my own opinions.. to not listen to what everyone tells me and assume it's right just because they were elected into a place of power....

[insanity]

Dude, advocating anrcho-libertarianism does not make you a fucking free-thinker. It's been advocated before and it has been done a lot more eloqunetly then you do. And then you have the balls to challenge my ability to be a free thinker? Part of being a free-thinker is being able to synthesize facts and formulate an original opinion. All the facts that Penguin used are highly subjective (and inacruate).

I've spent so much time correcting you, now I will give you my view:
Government has two functions, one is protecting the general welfare of its citizens (a spinoff of Rousseau), and the other is national security. As a society since the Cold War, we have negelected the general welfare for a hawkish security policy driven by fear to keep the powers that be in order. However, there is a way out.
By getting people involved in the workings of the government, we can deliver election victories that are so overwhelming they can not be ignored. We have to stand firmly for soical equality and justice and elect candidates who do the same. We need to run for office and build a movement from the ground up. Basically, we need to do what the conservatives did in the 60s and orginize a national movement. The pendullum will swing back one day. We can not stop to whine and bitch, we can only work harder every day.

[Kronus76]

allright, first off, ---ATTENTION SLIPKNOTPSYCHO--- i saw a comment you made on my first post on this thread. You mentioned that you weren't out of high school, but for some reason i think youve said youre married. i remeebr you making references to your wife a lot, am i imagining things or what..? but yeah, i gotta still stick behind my accusations on high school kids not having credible opinions on deep thinking questions like this. im sorry, but life is based off of EXPERIENCES, experiences that take years and years to accumulate, once youre off living on your own and not having mommy telling you what to do, then it would make more sense.

teenagers can speculate as much as they want, but living through various events that help you construct these opinions is more credible

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Wrong.

So wrong.

"Getting people involved" My friend, let ME clue you in on a couple of things.

Number one, people are already as involved as they can be. If there's something seriously stressing them, they go out and write a letter to their congressman (been there, done that)

Number two, the government institutions for helping the needy are poor at best. Not only are thousands of people kept from benefiting from these programs which they so desperately need, but the funding for the programs is being slashed. This country is in a multi-TRILLION dollar defecit from things ranging from Hurricane Katrina to the War in Iraq. In order to cope with the massive debt, budgets are being cut, and guess which ones are getting cut first?

[CocaCola]

LOL

I'm an idiot? What about spewing "oh the government is evil... wooo, bad man trying to hold me down.' Suck it up and fucking deal with it like a man. These kids want to change something, go out and do it. Run for campaigns, and if you're not old enough, help out with campaigns for local leaders who YOU like. This country isn't going to anarchy anytime soon as you're all wanting, so you better elect leaders you like that will change and reform! Start an organization... bitching and moaning on a cannabis message board, of all places, is not going to change shit.

I see you're 17.. maybe once you get out of high school and into the real world of college/job/taxes/bills, you will see how much good government does for us, but there is always the bad shit that everyone bitches about. That's always a given with any governing body. Listen dude, I'm not trying to flame Penguin, you or anyone else, but you all really just need to expand your minds a little bit... they're so narrow and closed. You all act like everyone is out to get you..

Contrary to your belief, the older you are means you have more EXPERIENCE in dealing with the world.. you know how things work. Never said that being older makes you smarter, but more often than not.. it does. Susceptive to lies? Honey, I don't watch Fox News and CNN with all their media biases, as you might think. Hell yeah the government lies... but the government isn't all bad. Cheers! :)

I'm talking about your ego. It's more then government lies, it's lies about yourself and your place in society. But yeah, I guess the way everything is set up in this country is responsible for the low uptake of useful information to the brain... and that is the governments fault. So I guess yeah, they are evil... and deceptive. They do no good... they show good but really the entire world would be better off with the foreboding US government.

You think the more you progress through your meaningless life, the more your mind opens up to new things? Thats your brain trying to find some entertainment in this dull country.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

allright, first off, ---ATTENTION SLIPKNOTPSYCHO--- i saw a comment you made on my first post on this thread. You mentioned that you weren't out of high school, but for some reason i think youve said youre married. i remeebr you making references to your wife a lot, am i imagining things or what..? but yeah, i gotta still stick behind my accusations on high school kids not having credible opinions on deep thinking questions like this. im sorry, but life is based off of EXPERIENCES, experiences that take years and years to accumulate, once youre off living on your own and not having mommy telling you what to do, then it would make more sense.

teenagers can speculate as much as they want, but living through various events that help you construct these opinions is more credible

Shut up. I'm not doing this or speculating because mommy told me so, and I don't need to have LIVED in this country any longer than I have to know what's going on. What makes living 10, 20, whatever more years experiencing the same shit I do so special?

Not only that, but thinking that you have to experience something to know is something so asenine and naive, it's hard for me to even begin. Do I live in a ghetto? No. Do I know what it's like in a ghetto? Yes. Am I the President? No. Do I know what the President can, can't, will, and won't do? Yes.

It's not a matter of experience, it's a matter of knowledge. Experience is just another way of aquiring knowledge, just as much as RESEARCH is.

[CocaCola]

Dude, advocating anrcho-libertarianism does not make you a fucking free-thinker. It's been advocated before and it has been done a lot more eloqunetly then you do. And then you have the balls to challenge my ability to be a free thinker? Part of being a free-thinker is being able to synthesize facts and formulate an original opinion. All the facts that Penguin used are highly subjective (and inacruate).

I've spent so much time correcting you, now I will give you my view:
Government has two functions, one is protecting the general welfare of its citizens (a spinoff of Rousseau), and the other is national security. As a society since the Cold War, we have negelected the general welfare for a hawkish security policy driven by fear to keep the powers that be in order. However, there is a way out.
By getting people involved in the workings of the government, we can deliver election victories that are so overwhelming they can not be ignored. We have to stand firmly for soical equality and justice and elect candidates who do the same. We need to run for office and build a movement from the ground up. Basically, we need to do what the conservatives did in the 60s and orginize a national movement. The pendullum will swing back one day. We can not stop to whine and bitch, we can only work harder every day.
I stopped reading your posts after your last one... would you just stfu with historical facts and statistical bullshit and discuss the matter at hand? Working at a foodbank is nice, but it won't don't shit all. You're so fucking blind it shows... you make these essay posts with facts and shit but you completely miss the point of this thread... all I caught in this post was "anrcho-libertarianism" and when I saw that I couldn't read on. Stop labelling his idea... that's not even what it is... and don't come back with some facts about anrcho-libertarianism for christ sakes, you'll just make yourself look more like a fool.

[slipknotpsycho]

allright, first off, ---ATTENTION SLIPKNOTPSYCHO--- i saw a comment you made on my first post on this thread. You mentioned that you weren't out of high school, but for some reason i think youve said youre married. i remeebr you making references to your wife a lot, am i imagining things or what..? but yeah, i gotta still stick behind my accusations on high school kids not having credible opinions on deep thinking questions like this. im sorry, but life is based off of EXPERIENCES, experiences that take years and years to accumulate, once youre off living on your own and not having mommy telling you what to do, then it would make more sense.

teenagers can speculate as much as they want, but living through various events that help you construct these opinions is more credible

since when is it required to graduate high school to be married? i am married and i did NOT graduate high school, and it had nothing to do with me being lazy, a drop out or any of that shit so i wanna cut that off right now.. the only, and i mean ONLY reason i didn't graduate is because my grandma had me homeschooled for the last portion of my school life, then when i was 18 i found out that it wasn't reconized by the state of texas, so all my hard work went to shit... i went back to public school (only allowed to stay in public school, atleast in this county til you're 20, then you have to pay for it which i did not, nor do i have now the money to do so, kind of ironic isn't it? i have to have money to go to school so i can make money...) and was supposed to be in an accelerated program but my stupid counselor would never get off her ass and put me in it, or for some other reason didn't work out (been awhile, i was pissed back then i was basicly given a giant middle finger and pissing on my foot)

now onto the next thing... and tell me, mr. so original thought... how is your thoughts original if there are only 2, maybe 3 sides to this debate in the first place... no one's thoughts are original but those thinking outside the box... next, from what i remember, it doesn't even matter what the people vote for in the presidental elections, it all comes down back to the electoral college... so it doesn't really matter how many people vote.. because your govt. just gave you a gian middle finger and told you your thoughts don't fuckin matter... and if you think the dick heads actually check the polls of what the american people want, you're sorely mistaken... i still don't understand how anyone, and i mean ANYONE on this site can be for the govt.... atleast the one america has now... when none of you, and i mean NONE of you actually follow the laws set by your precious govt. since they are the ones that decide whether or not our precious plant is illegal in this country....

i don't think half of you actualy stop to think of what you're actually saying, i think you just want to argue cuz you have nothing better to do, stress build up, sexual frustration, the list could go on and on.... and some of you seem to just want to use big words, to impress others, but don't actually think what your words mean... your words mean this (those saying the govt. is fine and dandy): YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE period. there's no two ways about it... if you think you're govt. works fine when people speak out what they want, then stop smoking weed until it is legalized in the USA... if you're going to support this shit you call a govt. don't do it half-assed.. do it right. if you're so sure the govt. works the way you all like to make it seem, then do the right thing and stop knowingly/willingly commiting these crimes (smoking weed is a prime example) and go ahead and you do it by the system...

another thing, if age matters, and age effects wisdom... why are there kids that are 15-16 that are fucking geniuses, yet there are 30-40 year olds working at burger king, and still having problems on how to make a whopper? age doesn't make a dick when it comes to wisdom, experience does, but age doesn't dictate experience in any way, shape or form. i can't prove anything, but from the way some of you talk, i'm willing to bet i have experienced more, learned more and absorbed more knowledge in my 20 years of life then most of you have or will have by 30.....

it really fucking bothers me that most of you twist shit around so that it fits your needs, whenever it's convienent rather than staying true to yourself and everyone else... prime example: you are supportive of the govt. and think it has little or no problems, and that the system works just fine, yet you smoke weed while it's still illegal... like i said, if the system works just fine, stop fucking smoking illegal drugs until your precious govt. that knows what's best for you and would never wrong you, declares it safe and legal... which, atleast i'm realistic when i say i doubt it will ever happen, because then the govt. would have to eat it's own damn words, and they know this... and as it's shown us before, eating it's own words is not something it does....

[CocaCola]

Actually experience comes easier when you're young.

But nevermind them Slitknoto, they know not why they do.

[insanity]

FUCK! I realized that a doublemajor in political science and history has been thwarted by a bunch of highschool kids who live off mommy and daddy. Tear.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

See, that was a cop out. Your intelligence was questioned, so you whipped out a piece of paper stating that you devoted (and wasted) a portion of your life to studying a subject that, quite handily, proves us all wrong just because you have it. Do you honestly believe that means you are the affinitive authority on it all? Do you honestly believe that you, and you alone, are right because of that piece of paper?

Your naivete knows no bounds.

[insanity]

Its called sarcasm dude. I don't think I'm better then you, I just think that your position was based off bad history and facts, and when I tried to point it out I caught a shitstorm for being right. Its just silly.

[Mary Jane x3]

Your never right on this board, because there will always be one person here who disagrees with you

[slipknotpsycho]

Your never right on this board, because there will always be one person here who disagrees with you
wonderful quote! i'm putting it in my sig... and i feel that insanity felt intimidated by someone's post, or just couldn't come up with a logical argument to mine...

[Adolf Smittler]

FUCK! I realized that a doublemajor in sucking dick and sticking screwdrivers up my ass. Tear.
oh! is that so! are you black and decker's bitch?

[CocaCola]

Its called sarcasm dude. I don't think I'm better then you, I just think that your position was based off bad history and facts, and when I tried to point it out I caught a shitstorm for being right. Its just silly.

Written history is one reason why idiots dwell in the past and the funny thing is, most of your countries history is based on lies. If you took your classes so literally, I'd guess that you are a major pod.

[tokinggreg]

[QUOTE=CocaCola]Written history is one reason why idiots dwell in the past QUOTE]

LOL.. God help you..

[CocaCola]

No, God help you.

???

[slipknotpsycho]

No, God help you.

???
if you don't understand why (s)he said god help you... it's because (i think) they're going along the lines of "history repeats itself, if we forget the history, shit like the nazi crap will happen again.. which personally i don't believe in... i mean we don't have to study this shit extensively, even a reminder once in awhile would be suffiecient enough to keep it fresh enough in our minds that if "remembering what did happen, means it would not happen again" really held true, it would keep it from happening again... i mean we don't have to know names, dates and all that bullshit just to keep shit like the nazi's from happening again (sorry for my rant, i really hated history.. i found it quite pointless.. well atleast by 7th grade, i had already learned just about everything i was going to about history from every grade before that...)

[CocaCola]

I completely agree... but the written word is always bold lie and you should never take it literally. Something to remember not to start ethnic cleansing of surrounding countries and justify killing millions of people to a bunch of brainwashed patriots, sure... but no matter what you've read about the Nazi War, you don't know the whole story so you don't know what EXACTLY happened. And what exactly happened isn't the point... it's what happened on a grander scale. Why did this happen? Did it have to happen?

[slipknotpsycho]

in terms of truthfull-ness i worry more about the older shit (say 1700's and earlier?) because, it would have been waaaaaaay easier to lie and get away with shit back then, then say durring world war II due to the lack of readiness to be able to conversate with other countries/leaders, lack of no video/picture proof of anything and so on... not saying it would even be hard to lie and get away with it on a large scale these days, but it sure as hell would of been aloooot easier then 300 years ago...

[CocaCola]

It's not just politics I'm talking about.

[slipknotpsycho]

oh yes i know, i was just giving an example... for instance i might half assed believe some of the shit in the history books at school, i don't believe a single thing in the bible.. i mean.. the shit in the history books seems like looong ago to us.. but in comparison to the bible it's a new born baby... and the longer something's been around (especially somethign that's been translated multiple times to multiple diffrent languages...) the more chance it's had to of been tampered with by humans, or of been mis-translated, and thus, not be completely truthful, if not completely false...

[Its a Plant]

I don't want to type out a long debate right now since Ima so tired, but there is proof that events in the bible did actually occur. Furthermore, I don't think you guys can go on thinking that everything ever published in written word is somehow false or tampered with. Sure, I'll be willing to believe that some things have been tampered with and the truth might have been stretched here and there. History is history, not fiction. There's a seperate category for that. It's the pages of fiction that the reader should not take every word literally, as symbolism goes hand in hand with fiction. I find it hard to believe that someone would lie to you about events like WWI or II, no matter what your reasoning may be. There's no logic in lying to people like that. What does it do besides cover up some big govt. secret, IF there is one. Alright, that's all I got. I'll come back here tomorrow with my debatin' boots on. Peace bros.

[slipknotpsycho]

first of all where is this proof? if you can't provide some super-natural holy shit right infront of my eyes, then i won't believe the bible... you know that game telephone? where you start off with a word, whisper it to the person next to you, who in turns does the same thing.... just to see how messed up the original word came out... well to me the bible is like that.. but a 2,000+ year long game of it... 2,000 years man, multiple translations (and i'm pretty sure some are very hard to read, and requires an expert in the language to even begin to decipher the messages)... do you honestly expect 2% of it is truthful/accurate? also, i never said they lied about WWII, i had done 2 elaborate reports in school on WWII, 1 on vietnam, and 1 on WWI, after doing all that research i started noticing that things didn't add up. i can't remember the things i found that didn't match up cuz that was years ago, around 6-7 years ago... but they weren't small

next, i never once said i think all history is a lie... i merely stated i'd be sure as hell alot more inclined to believe something's that only 300 years old as opposed to 2,000...

[Polymirize]

I do plan on trying to change it, Polymirize. You threw down the challenge, like you always do, and I'm taking you up on it.

Anyway, if you agree with me, great. If not, great. It's your choice.

First off, you apparently forgot that I never challenged you on history, but on your approach to the present. Which isn't to say I agree with the simplistic human drives you apparently think all of history boils down to. You're 15 and that's great, and in no way a limitation, but (hopefully) you'll continue to grow up and by the time you're 20, maybe the picture will seem different, and bigger, than it was before? I've seen a lot of people spend so much time talking big game that they never had time for anything else, and 5 years later they're still... talking.

Not a fate I'd wish on anyone.

As you say, it's my choice to agree/disagree with you. And believe me, every visit here makes me thankful that I have enough intellect to get my opinions from somewhere other than a cannabis website. Share away, be the revolutionary prophet of cannabis.com if you want. But maybe you could take some time and do some revolutionary work in the real world. Where we so desperately need it.
I'm so very tired of people thinking they do they're part online.

I've never questioned your passion Penguin, only your motivation. If you truly think that all government is flawed, that it's all a matter of gangs and rules of force, then what's the point of revolution anyway?
Just to be on top? Just to be king of the mountain and make the people under you suffer for a change?
I hope you'll continue to grow and see other revolutionary possibilities.

Fight the good fight, and make sure its worth fighting for.

[Polymirize]

Its called sarcasm dude. I don't think I'm better then you, I just think that your position was based off bad history and facts, and when I tried to point it out I caught a shitstorm for being right. Its just silly.

I guess I wouldn't want to call you "better" per say. But you've definately demonstrated a better assessment of the facts.
Mad props man. That sounds like an intense double-major.

And as anyone with a nice piece of paper should know, it's not the paper that's important, but rather the insights and understandings gained. Or something like that, I dunno, my scrap of paper says philosophy on it.

As paper its without any real value, but with over four years experiece in critical thinking, I like to think of it as something worthwhile.

Anyway, to conclude, way to conduct yourself with a little class insanity. Don't think it's not appreciated.

[CocaCola]

Will you help?

[pixel]

i don't understand how anyone can object to world war 2. in my opinion it was the only war that was necessary. if you have a point to prove cocacola, prove it nicely, you don't need to attack me like i know you're planning on doing, as usual.

oh, and the bible is a good novel. exciting, epic, and pretty fun to read. not a very happy ending though.

[Apachetear]

World war 2 was necesarry. But only because we fobbed off Hitler with appeasement until it was too late. If we'd slapped him on the wrists the moment he broke a single part of the Treaty of Versailles, then it may never have happened....

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

First off, you apparently forgot that I never challenged you on history, but on your approach to the present. Which isn't to say I agree with the simplistic human drives you apparently think all of history boils down to. You're 15 and that's great, and in no way a limitation, but (hopefully) you'll continue to grow up and by the time you're 20, maybe the picture will seem different, and bigger, than it was before? I've seen a lot of people spend so much time talking big game that they never had time for anything else, and 5 years later they're still... talking.

Not a fate I'd wish on anyone.

As you say, it's my choice to agree/disagree with you. And believe me, every visit here makes me thankful that I have enough intellect to get my opinions from somewhere other than a cannabis website. Share away, be the revolutionary prophet of cannabis.com if you want. But maybe you could take some time and do some revolutionary work in the real world. Where we so desperately need it.
I'm so very tired of people thinking they do they're part online.

I've never questioned your passion Penguin, only your motivation. If you truly think that all government is flawed, that it's all a matter of gangs and rules of force, then what's the point of revolution anyway?
Just to be on top? Just to be king of the mountain and make the people under you suffer for a change?
I hope you'll continue to grow and see other revolutionary possibilities.

Fight the good fight, and make sure its worth fighting for.

I didn't say I plan on being in power and controlling everything and making those who are under me suffer. If, and it's a big if, I ever do get enough power to carry my wish out, I will relinquish my power as soon as it's over. Power doesn't appease to me in the slightest. I don't want people peering in to my life just because I'm so famous and they don't have better shit to do.

My opinions do come from other places than this website, and although I haven't had the years you have had to develop them, I'm pretty confident they won't change much.

But, we'll see. And Polymirize, I love your use of the Socratic method and other things you undoubtedly learned in your philosophy class. You're driving me to go out and do these things instead of bitch and moan.

The point of the revolution wouldn't be to rule the people with a different government. My government would be a democracy when it comes to public works, but the law is simple and plain. As long as you do not take from another person's freedom or do anything to mentally/emotionally/physically harm another person, you're good to go. I don't know what the "punishment" would be, because I don't see how you could punish someone without taking from their freedom, thus breaking the law my government would revolve around. I'd probably leave it in the hands of the victim or their family. I know there are flaws in this, but I have a long time to try and work them out.

P.S. I never claimed you challenged me on history...Either you misinterpreted my words or I wasn't thinking strait. Either way, I know you weren't challenging me.

[TheAtomicPunk]

I guess I wouldn't want to call you "better" per say. But you've definately demonstrated a better assessment of the facts.
Mad props man. That sounds like an intense double-major.

And as anyone with a nice piece of paper should know, it's not the paper that's important, but rather the insights and understandings gained. Or something like that, I dunno, my scrap of paper says philosophy on it.

As paper its without any real value, but with over four years experiece in critical thinking, I like to think of it as something worthwhile.

Anyway, to conclude, way to conduct yourself with a little class insanity. Don't think it's not appreciated.


Dude, you think way too much. Give your brain a break! It does not matter. Drop it. You're only good rebutal is, "you're 15". No one really cares about this. We smoke weed, we stand up for that. Are you saying we shouldn't?

I hope this makes sense! I'm not too sure!

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Um...he didn't say that me being 15 was a bad thing...Are you all right, man?

[TheAtomicPunk]

Forget bout it. I never posted here, ok?

[TheAtomicPunk]

First off, you apparently forgot that I never challenged you on history, but on your approach to the present. Which isn't to say I agree with the simplistic human drives you apparently think all of history boils down to. You're 15 and that's great, and in no way a limitation, but (hopefully) you'll continue to grow up and by the time you're 20, maybe the picture will seem different, and bigger, than it was before? I've seen a lot of people spend so much time talking big game that they never had time for anything else, and 5 years later they're still... talking.

Sorry for reposting, the him talking bout penguin being 15 is in here btw.

[pixel]

off topic!

people usually use the age argument when they don't have any way to argue what the person actually said. same goes for when someone types out a long paragraph with good reasoning in it and it gets responded to with

"wow man it's YOU'RE not YOUR you idiot, gosh you're so stupid!"

that's a famous "i have no argument so i'm going to nitpick to save my ass" online response :D




but i will say this: at 15 years old your views will begin to change radically throughout the next 5-10 years and i guarentee that if you'd look back on this you'd have a different approach to the subject completely.

that has NOTHING TO DO with knowledge at all. knowledge and mental maturity are two completely different things

i guess my arguments kind of ambiguous, im standing up for you here penguin!!

[Its a Plant]

I'll agree with that. In only 5 years, you'll be surprised how much you learn, and how different you look at things. But at only 15, you sound wise beyond your years, but don't let that go to your head.

Okay, go ahead and let it. props.

[TheAtomicPunk]

off topic!

people usually use the age argument when they don't have any way to argue what the person actually said. same goes for when someone types out a long paragraph with good reasoning in it and it gets responded to with

"wow man it's YOU'RE not YOUR you idiot, gosh you're so stupid!"

that's a famous "i have no argument so i'm going to nitpick to save my ass" online response :D




but i will say this: at 15 years old your views will begin to change radically throughout the next 5-10 years and i guarentee that if you'd look back on this you'd have a different approach to the subject completely.

that has NOTHING TO DO with knowledge at all. knowledge and mental maturity are two completely different things

i guess my arguments kind of ambiguous, im standing up for you here penguin!!


Thank you man! I did not want to type that out lol

[CocaCola]

i don't understand how anyone can object to world war 2. in my opinion it was the only war that was necessary. if you have a point to prove cocacola, prove it nicely, you don't need to attack me like i know you're planning on doing, as usual.

oh, and the bible is a good novel. exciting, epic, and pretty fun to read. not a very happy ending though.
*Strangle hold*

[Adolf Smittler]

I don't want to type out a long debate right now since Ima so tired, but there is proof that events in the bible did actually occur.
there's also proof that the trojan war happened, but does that mean it happened the way history recorded it? you can't think that zeus and artemis and the like were in the war any more than you can believe moses turned the nile's waters to blood.

[Kryzco]

Yeah I agree with you guys

you'd be suprised how much you change over time

I know I'm not the same person i was at 15 and that was 3 years ago

and I agree with you slipknot, I think the bible is man made, and until I see some legit proof standing in front of me, I'm not gonna believe it

i do see it a lot like the game telephone

words get twisted over time

[Blazed and Confused]

Oh, a kid "rebelling" against the government and saying he's athetist. Do you yell at your parents too?

I agree that the current world leadership could be better, but your ideas are too idealistic.

[slipknotpsycho]

how about instead of all the people ragging on him for his ideas, you come up with your own... imo you can't shoot down someone else's idea, unless you have some better idea....