Yellowing leaves - 2 week old plant

[ValiumForMe]

It was in a small like 2 pint planter. Organic soil. It had one 60 watt 1,200 lumen blue spectrum blulb on it. After about a week out of the soil I put three bulbs. One 60 watt 1,200 lumen blue spectrum, one 150 2,000 lumen watt blue spectrum, and one 150 what 2,000 lumen yellowish (soft white) bulb. The bulbs were about 6" from the plant and I had a small fan blowing on it. I added no nutes at first.

Since then I was informed that the soil seemed compacted, so I mixed 30% perlite with the same organic soil and put into a one gallon planter. I originally had all three bulbs still on it at the same distance, moved it to a 18/6 timer. I added 1/4 the amounts of nutes specified to a gallon of distilled water and would spray about three solid squirts around the roots of the seedling every other night before the night cycle. I just noticed the yellowing yesterday.

Today I switched it to just the 150 watt 2,000 lumen blue spectrum in a 10" reflective dome placted about 2" from the plant so it's right on top of it. Same 18/6 schedule, I figured this was actually getting more light and more heat to it. They are all CFL lights so heat isn't really too much of an issue.

What's the deal with the yellowing, help me please.

You can see the little trichromes (is that what they are) if you zoom all the way in. Pic 4 is the orignal setup in the small planter, it's in the large planter in all the others.

Pics are super high res.

[The Grim Reefer]

I added 1/4 the amounts of nutes specified to a gallon of distilled water and would spray about three solid squirts around the roots of the seedling every other night before the night cycle. I just noticed the yellowing yesterday.

That plant looks wayy to young to be giving it nutrients.

The first two embryotic leaves you'll see (the round ones, the very first ones that brought the plant from dirt to light) are called cotyledons, aka; seed leaves.

These little guys give your plant enough nutrients up until AT LEAST 2 weeks above soil. (this is why a seedling will grow without light if left in the dark for a few days) Also keep in mind the seed provides quite a few nutrients for the early stages in life.

What were the N-P-K ratio of the nutes you used? How much EXACTLY is 1/4 to a gallon? (1/4 tsp? 1/2 tsp?) ect.

And you're right, CFLs that close aren't a heat issue so you can mark that off of your checklist.

Btw, I'm jealous of your camera. :D

[cnd411]

I agree with The Grim Reefer that your plant is still too young for nutes. But no big deal ... just give it just water for a week or so then start with mild strength solution... you should be O.K :)

[karmaxul]

I would get it out of that pot. the dense soil is having trouble drying and you are using painted clay with no air holes. the roots are starving for oxygen making your ph low if you are useing nutes. If you are not using nutes then the yellow is the same thing as you would turn purple if you held your breath to long. get peat moss and transplant get rid of as much as that dirt as you safetly can. put some air holes down the sides with a pen in the mean time and stop watering

[ValiumForMe]

That plant looks wayy to young to be giving it nutrients.

The first two embryotic leaves you'll see (the round ones, the very first ones that brought the plant from dirt to light) are called cotyledons, aka; seed leaves.

These little guys give your plant enough nutrients up until AT LEAST 2 weeks above soil. (this is why a seedling will grow without light if left in the dark for a few days) Also keep in mind the seed provides quite a few nutrients for the early stages in life.

What were the N-P-K ratio of the nutes you used? How much EXACTLY is 1/4 to a gallon? (1/4 tsp? 1/2 tsp?) ect.
Then I'll stop giving it nutes. The directions said 7 drops per quart I put 4 in a gallon of Voss spring water, then filled a spray bottle with that. I'll go back to straight spring water. How often and how much should I water> I have been doing like three or four squirts (I have it set as a stream) from the spray bottle right around the bottom of the plant. I believe it was 10-5-10.



And you're right, CFLs that close aren't a heat issue so you can mark that off of your checklist.

Btw, I'm jealous of your camera. :D
And CFL's are cheap. Do you think I'm better with one bright one right on top instead of 3 bright ones 6+ inches away?

And the camera is a D70 with either my Nikon 50mm f/1.4 lense shot in macro mode or my Nikon 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AFS VR lens.

I like cameras :)

[ValiumForMe]

I would get it out of that pot. the dense soil is having trouble drying and you are using painted clay with no air holes. the roots are starving for oxygen making your ph low if you are useing nutes. If you are not using nutes then the yellow is the same thing as you would turn purple if you held your breath to long. get peat moss and transplant get rid of as much as that dirt as you safetly can. put some air holes down the sides with a pen in the mean time and stop watering
It's no longer in that pot. It's in a one gallon plastic pot with like ten air holes in the bottom. The soil is an organic mixture with about 30% perlite mixed in and thouroughly broken up and mixed by hand, it's very loose at this point. If I blew at the pot hard enough soil would lift up and take off.

It can't be an over watering issue as if anything I under water it. It gets maybe two tablespoons of water applied directly around the bottom of the stem a night right before bedtime (dark cycle).

[ValiumForMe]

Just added a decent amount of Fiji bottled water. It contains mad trace nutrients/minerals, and has a ph of 7.5. My friend said it looks like a nitrogen difficiency?

[ValiumForMe]

The yellowing seems to be getting worse. Please help. I'm feeding it nothing but fiji bottled water at this point. It also seems to be growing REALLY slowly. I'm only using a 150 watt CFL in a reflective dome that is literally two inches from it. I can't really afford anything that expensive at the moment. Can you recommend a better light I could purchase at home depot or lowes. This light seems to be really BLUE should I get one that is more yellow?

[karmaxul]

Is it drying out inbetween watering

[ValiumForMe]

Is it drying out inbetween watering
Yeah I mean the top of the soil is dry between waterings. I water probably once a day, but it isn't much, only half of a small bottle of fiji or so which is about the size of a bottle of deer park water. Why, does it look like an underwatering issue? I think I might not water it enough.

[ValiumForMe]

my buddy said to add some bone meal?

[ValiumForMe]

Help? Nitrogen difficiency?

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.

[ValiumForMe]

Well, I just gave it a little nitrogen boost. Some 100% organic dried blood 12-0-0, about a half teaspoon sprinkled around the stem and then squirted a squirt of water on it to soak it down.

Cross your fingers, my hand is broken so I can't cross mine.

[karmaxul]

If the bottom of the soil does not dry inbetween watering the roots get starved of oxygen and the ph gets thrown off causing yellowing of leaves. When feeding nutes it should be at a constant through out the soil for the best results

[ValiumForMe]

There are no PMs on this board?

I'll post a picture of the complete setup when I get home. It's basically a 3 gallon (I think) pot with like five drainage holes in the bottom, and room that water can drain from the bottom and it won't be "sitting in it" so to speak.

The plant was watered thoroughly yesterday. I'm assuming it will be another day or two before the soil is dry enough to need watering again. When it gets watere again, should the dried blood be applied to the entire top area of the soil? How much, it's says like 1 pound per 1,000 square feet, how does one calculate that.

Should say a tablespoon be spread out evenly amongst the top of the soil then it be watered regularly? Should the blood meal be mixed in with the water first and let to sit for awhile then watered?

I'm sorry, I'm reading everything I can, searching all the forums I can and still have so many unanswered questions.

[ValiumForMe]

Now there is a spec of brown in the middle of the yellowist leave.

Ugh.

[karmaxul]

Post pics is you can

[ValiumForMe]

Post pics is you can
Will do when I get home.

I also noticed that the bathroom it is in stinks a bit now. That's probably the dried blood I'm assuming as it didn't stink yesterday?

[ValiumForMe]

The last one is high res so 56k is gonna love it. The droopiness seems to have just started.

[ValiumForMe]

Just wanted to show my ePenis by showing off my money camera.

P.S. It's about 70 degrees, you can almost read it on the thermometer.

Nikon D70
50mm f/1.4 lens
Exposure: 1/500
Aperature: F/5.6

[ValiumForMe]

I just moved the whole setup into an unused armoir. It's about 2.5'x2.5'x4'. I'm thinking the plant will get more light this way. It's cedar too, so I'm assuming that's good for bugs in the future.

[karmaxul]

Let that baby dry as fast as possible.
A fan may help but she is very wet and that pot is a bit big for a baby to use all the water it holds. The roots need oxygen. You really should not need to water for a week and a half

[ValiumForMe]

Let that baby dry as fast as possible.
A fan may help but she is very wet and that pot is a bit big for a baby to use all the water it holds. The roots need oxygen. You really should not need to water for a week and a half
Like I said, I put it into a wooden closet/armoir, so hopefully that will help draw some of the moisture out. I've also got the three CFLs MUCH closer now with hoods basically covering the entire planter which again should heat it up a bit to assist with drying it out. I added a fan in the corner on low in the closet too. Hopefully it shouldn't take too long to dry.

You say to water in a week and a half, how much should I water?

[karmaxul]

If the pot was dry , bone dry, I would ad 12 oz of water , guessing, every two days.

[ValiumForMe]

If the pot was dry , bone dry, I would ad 12 oz of water , guessing, every two days.That's what I was doing. I added a bottle of water once every other day, it may have been 16oz bottles though.

I'll go every three days.

Thanks, I'll keep you updated.

[karmaxul]

Definatly do.

[ValiumForMe]

It seems like moving it into a smaller space has helped. It upped the heat from ~70 degrees to ~80 degrees. The soil already seems to be drying fairly quickly. That one yellow leave is pretty much gone. It's wilted fairly badly and is about to fall off. Should I just cut it off?

I'm assuming that ONE leaf being removed won't ruin the rest of it. The rest of the plant seems to be popping back. The leafs popped back up from being so droopy and don't feel quite as dry and crispy.

I'm going to line the cabinet with mylar and change from the three CFLS I have to a hood with 3 or 4 flourescent tubes on a string so I can raise and lower it.

I can only go with 24" tubes as that is as wide a peice of lumber as I can fit horizontally inside the cabinet and it seems like they only make low wattage fixtures at 24". I figure if I can fit 4 40 watt flourescent tubes in there it should be enough.




What lumen or kelvin or whatever the fuck do I want to shoot for?

[karmaxul]

I take leaves off if they are 75% of more damaged. With it being so young you may not want to cause any stress to it.

The sun is 5150K
MH is like 3500K on averge
HPS I believe is like 2700K

[ValiumForMe]

I take leaves off if they are 75% of more damaged. With it being so young you may not want to cause any stress to it.I don't think jesus christ himself could save this leaf. It's more toasted than my brain. The rest of the plant seems to be rebounding fine though :).

You think three or four of these in a 25"x16"x36" cabinet would do the trick seed through flower or should I just stick it out w/the CFLs?

I'm on a budget :)

http://www.bulbs.com/products/product_detail.asp?page=products&inventory=8125

[karmaxul]

I think the 6500K is what sunleaves satellite II runs for a grow bulb.
I would flower clones at 4 inches or so if you want to finish small. I never flowered a seed always made mothers so can really say

[ValiumForMe]

I think the 6500K is what sunleaves satellite II runs for a grow bulb.
I would flower clones at 4 inches or so if you want to finish small. I never flowered a seed always made mothers so can really say
IF this is a female, my goal is to turn it into a mother plant and start taking clones from her. I can root the clones in a tupperware bin then move them to this cabinet.

I figure in this small cabinet and I can safely fit 6 small pots and grow 8-12" or so single cola plants from veg to harvest.

I'm only growing for personal use, nothing seems to help the back pain, I eat six vicodin, and end up still in pain but with a hurting liver too.

[karmaxul]

Look into olive leaf extract to help with the back pain if viruses or bad bacteria are feeding on the oils.
Dont crack it. Puts air between the bones and creates a envirnment for bacteria to breath and feed off the vitamin rich oil
There is a natural curvator to the lower back. Most back pain is caused when the curvator is lost.
you can sleep on your stomach which helps alot to correct this
you can go into a positon like doing a push up with your arms fully extended and put your body to the floor strectching the back to the way it should be.
You can take 2 drops of thrivealive a day or get spirullina for auxins
situps are great as stomach muscles support your back:)


My back used to be so bad from growing I had problems getting up and it hurt to even sit some times. I healed it and is fine now

[karmaxul]

O and wild lettuce extract kills pain and has no withdrawls

[ValiumForMe]

Look into olive leaf extract to help with the back pain if viruses or bad bacteria are feeding on the oils.
Dont crack it. Puts air between the bones and creates a envirnment for bacteria to breath and feed off the vitamin rich oil
There is a natural curvator to the lower back. Most back pain is caused when the curvator is lost.
you can sleep on your stomach which helps alot to correct this
you can go into a positon like doing a push up with your arms fully extended and put your body to the floor strectching the back to the way it should be.
You can take 2 drops of thrivealive a day or get spirullina for auxins
situps are great as stomach muscles support your back:)


My back used to be so bad from growing I had problems getting up and it hurt to even sit some times. I healed it and is fine now
I wrestled, played baseball and football for 13 years. The I went through a windshield at 70 MPH and spent a month in a coma. I've been through physical therapy on and off for years. Done the chiropractor route, gone the acupuncture route. Nothing helps. The opiates did their jobs for awhile but now it takes so much it's literally killing my liver.

If I smoke a joint and lay on the couch, suddenly, my back doesn't hurt. Hmm. And there is just way too much risk involved with getting it from other people.

OH, and the natural curve in one's back you speak of, yeah, mine curves the OTHER way.

[karmaxul]

Chiropractors are a joke if they crack your back.

Auxins will help your liver. dark purple vegatables and seaweed, blue green algae are all excellent sources

[ValiumForMe]

Chiropractors are a joke if they crack your back.

Auxins will help your liver. dark purple vegatables and seaweed, blue green algae are all excellent sourcesI went more for the electronic stimulation therapy or whatever it's called. That shit made me feel like a new man.

[ValiumForMe]

I don't know if it was moving it to the cabinet (smaller space). Moving the lights closer. Adding the fan to circulate air. Or a combination of all of them, but I just ran home at lunch and the little fucker is perking up. The leaves are greening up, the one that had the brown spot is pretty much a gonner, but the rest of it is doing well. The temp is also up to around 85 degrees, is that a problem?

Also, it seems to be staying fairly short, I mean more sets of leaves are developing but the spacing is tight and the plant is staying short. Is that because I have the lights so close? Should I line the cabinet with mylar and move the lights further so that the plant stretches more to the lights or is it okay staying short and bushy?

I also have no clue what strain it is, it was a simple bag seed from some decent beasters/middies.

Thanks!

[karmaxul]

Should be fine as far as temp goes. I am sure it drops a bit at night right?

Plants tend to grow closer if they do not have to reach for the light. Short and bushy is the way to go.

Prob. a sativa in part if it beasters but I guess we will wait and see.

[ValiumForMe]

You're the fucking man. Love to you, I would have been lost without your help.

There is one contradiction I'm getting though. My buddy says 18/6 is better for veg as it gives the plant time to grow and heal during dark you say 24/0. Who to believe....

[karmaxul]

Who ever you choose.

Here is why I say 24/7

During the dark cycle the plants release hormones. As the seasons progress the hormone levels get higher and higher during the night and are broken down during the day. The plants seem to get burned out after a few years on this regime. Zandor is one of the best growers around and uses 18/6 and chemicals. His mothers last five years untill they die. Organically feed mothers on 24/0 can last decades. It is either the chemicals or the 18/6 that is doing it and really who is to say untill it is tested. Since no growth is done during the night and hormones are released which is how the plant knows when to flower, I say just keep it growing and it has always worked for me. With a larger setup you could save a bit of power running a 18/6 but I would rather trick my plants into thinking it is still there first day of life.

When regenerating a plant, as many leaves as possible are kept on the plant and it is put back into 24 light. After the hormones are used up the plant begins veg growth again after about 1.5 or 2 weeks. I have never tryed to regenerate under 18/6 so I can not tell you how it works.

[ValiumForMe]

Plant is looking much nicer. Comparison time. I just added a ghetto CO2 enrichment tube placed right above it using the eggshell vinegar method.

First pic is yesterday around noon, the rest are today right now. Look how much the plant have popped back.

Love

[karmaxul]

I might consider leaving the leaf on just to monitor progress. Looks very healthy besides that.

[sheist]

aaaaand she's back in the game!!!

[ValiumForMe]

I just lined the entire inside of the cabinet with heat resistant reflective silver lining. I also added another couple of lights. Now the lights are spaced out a bit, but there are more, and the reflective shit makes that light bounce around.

Next time I water, more nitrogen or no?

[ValiumForMe]

Some lights are labeled soft white and some are labeled daylight. So I should have a nice mixture, it's the same lights I've been using just used better.

I also put it back on 18/6 and did a bit of foliar spraying right before night time.

This has also made me motivated to clean and organize my entire basement storage area. Bought a ton of shelves and started cleaned, throwing out and organizing everything. Now I can actually move around and the cabinet is back in a hidden ass spot.

[FERMENTATION]

Nice baby. I'm so jealous of your camera. Can we get an update? You might want to try a 2' T5 unit. I have one that hold 4 2' bulbs. They are all 6500k you can get warmer ones but I don't see a need if it is going to be a mother. You can get them here: http://www.specialty-lights.com/960203.html

[Chaos]

keep it on 18/6 plants grow better to me on it.....everything needs sleep....

looks much better...keep on what ur doing....

[Nuggie Fresh]

One of the best peices of advance that I have ever received was to INVEST IN A MOISTURE METER! For less than $10, you can let your plants tell you when their ready for water.

Your growing enviornment is unique. Watering based purely on a daily cycles is not a good choice until you know what your doing. Over water is the leading cause of dead seedlings. Get a moisture meter and you'll have one less thing to worry about. Good luck!

[shadow420x]

I have the same problem but im using a dwc with t12 fluros 1 5000k n 1 2700 k. But mine r greenish on the outside m yellowish on the inside

[MRDiff]

Shadow, If you need help with your plants feel free to make your own thread and fill out the troubleshooting form. Absolutely no reason to reserrect a four year old thread.