Bringing children into headshops?

[Nochowderforyou]

I was at the local headshop last night picking up some fuel for my torch lighter, and I was just wondering, is it normal to bring children into headshops?

There was one guy in there with his son, I'm guessing the son was about 6 or 7 years old, and the dad was showing him all the bongs, and pipes. The store is littered with pieces, everywhere! Then as I was leaving, a women brought in her daughter in a baby carrage. Like a toddler.

I didn't say nothing because it's none of my business, but if you ask me, mom and dads should be doing that in their own free time and not bring their children into a store like that when they are so young. When the child is a teenager and maybe understands the proper usage of cannabis, but an 8 year old and a toddler? Come on now, that's TOO young.

What do you people think?

[Jeff Spicoli]

pot smoking hippy burnouts
/
terrible parents

[buddymyfriend]

I was at the local headshop last night picking up some fuel for my torch lighter, and I was just wondering, is it normal to bring children into headshops?

There was one guy in there with his son, I'm guessing the son was about 6 or 7 years old, and the dad was showing him all the bongs, and pipes. The store is littered with pieces, everywhere! Then as I was leaving, a women brought in her daughter in a baby carrage. Like a toddler.

I didn't say nothing because it's none of my business, but if you ask me, mom and dads should be doing that in their own free time and not bring their children into a store like that when they are so young. When the child is a teenager and maybe understands the proper usage of cannabis, but an 8 year old and a toddler? Come on now, that's TOO young.

What do you people think?

Im with ya bro, kids dont need to be seeing that shit. There young minds are too young to understand. I wouldnt even smoke a jay infront a kid, it just aint fair or right imo.

Peace

Buddy

[Nochowderforyou]

Exactly. I'm all for one for hanging out with my children, when I have them, and have some puffs with them, when they understand cannabis fully and know that everything schools, teachers, and television spew out about it is not true. I know when I was 6 or so, I thought all drugs were bad. It didn't matter what kind of drug, but if it was illegal, I really thought it was bad.

[Fan o KmK]

i dunio mayb be assumed the kid wouldnt know what it was at such an early age. the little girl in the carriage is nothing to worry about cuz shes nto gona remember. but even if she does, the second she does D.A.R.E shes gona be like oh shit my mom does "drugs" and flip out. so yea i dont hink thats a good idea but w.e. their own decision.

[Nochowderforyou]

the little girl in the carriage is nothing to worry about cuz shes nto gona remember.

You see, that's not true. A person learns more in their first 2 years of life than they do throughout their entire life.

[BlazinHaze]

I saw a father in a headshop with his 11 or 12 year old daughter and her friend not long ago. He was letting her pick out a bowl. I was just kind of like, "wow, my parents would have never done that".

[Yous]

You see, that's not true. A person learns more in their first 2 years of life than they do throughout their entire life.
They only remember the shit they did evryday in the first 2 years of their life (like walking talking...),
but u cant have memories of things like the day u were born, the youngest ive heard someone say they remember from is 3 and a half. u honestly dont have recollections of your second birthday do u???

[BigHomie]

most of the shops I've been to you have to be 18 or older to enter... maybe it's like an rated R movie and they can go in if they are with an adult... lol

thats crazy... the guy showing his 7 year old all the bongs... did he let him pick one out? lol

[SyR1S]

every headshop ive been in is filled with people my age (15) i donno, in canada i guess they dont really care as much as who enters

[JunkYard]

No kids in head shops, please!

Seriously, I'm with you chowder. My kid would have a cow if he knew I smoked, and they do know about drugs early on. Mine is 9, and he's been versed in school.

When he's old enough to understand, I'll be happy to share what I know about marijuana, but until then, it's completely hush, hush. ;)

[Jeff Spicoli]

I repeat
burnout hippies
/
terrible parents

[daima]

Dont sweat the head shop. Sweat what they see on tv. The grocery store is packed with dangerous/questionable items. I never saw a person being killed or imitated being killed in a head shop.
I say that we introduce kids to life and allow them the freedom to ask questions.
If you'll take your kids into stores that sell products made in sweat shops, or sell tobacco and booze(GAP, NIKE, ADIDAS, etc etc), then i dont see why you get all worked up over pipes and rolling papers. Dont program your kids into believing that there is something wrong with people who use cannabis. The truth has got to begin as early in their lives as possible.
This is my opinion and i honestly believe that everyone is entitled to it:D
dai*ma:stoned:

[Jeff Spicoli]

rofl at Daima

[Trichocereus Panza]

If you'll take your kids into stores that sell products made in sweat shops, or sell tobacco and booze(GAP, NIKE, ADIDAS, etc etc), then i dont see why you get all worked up over pipes and rolling papers. Dont program your kids into believing that there is something wrong with people who use cannabis. The truth has got to begin as early in their lives as possible.
This is my opinion and i honestly believe that everyone is entitled to it:D
dai*ma:stoned:
daima I think I agree with you, and it seems we are in the minority. At least in an ideal world, no one should have to hide responsible drug use from people of any age. We have all been a little scared by stories of kids ratting out their parents after the DARE program, but c'mon for the most part your kids trust you.

It's a natural plant and it's natural to see people smoking different kinds of plants (kids don't generally know the difference between say tobacco and weed). I agree that they should see it as a normal thing from an early age, even if they aren't allowed to try it for a while. The problem is living in a society that frowns upon it, not that marijuana itself is bad or should be hidden for a long time. Of course it is confusing for kids growing up with DARE, teachers and other parents on one side, and healthy and happy cannabis users on the other side---but I'm not sure the correct remedy to that confusion is hiding the healthy-and-happy aspect from them until they are "ready" to understand. If anything, I think it would ideally be better if you could protect them from all the negative propaganda surrounding drugs until they're old enough to understand it's just propaganda.

That said, it's still a difficult issue for everyone and I'm not sure at all yet how I will handle it when I'm a parent. But if YOU don't take them into the headshops, their older friends will first, and eventually you will seem like you were being dishonest with them.

[tootsie roll]

I usually go on a weekday during school hours. Just me and the employees.:)

[Skink]

I was at the local headshop last night picking up some fuel for my torch lighter, and I was just wondering, is it normal to bring children into headshops?

There was one guy in there with his son, I'm guessing the son was about 6 or 7 years old, and the dad was showing him all the bongs, and pipes. The store is littered with pieces, everywhere! Then as I was leaving, a women brought in her daughter in a baby carrage. Like a toddler.

I didn't say nothing because it's none of my business, but if you ask me, mom and dads should be doing that in their own free time and not bring their children into a store like that when they are so young. When the child is a teenager and maybe understands the proper usage of cannabis, but an 8 year old and a toddler? Come on now, that's TOO young.

What do you people think?
I think your opinion is hypocritical... Just like teaching your children safe sex, it is better to be open and teach,than to hide it...

[JunkYard]

I approach MJ like I approach cigs. When you are old enough, fine! Until then, you're free to express your views on MJ, but don't let me know you're smoking it.

I'll educate my kid at some point, but certainly not until he's old enough to grasp the lies our goverment pushes out.

I have a "just say no" houshold!

That is until he's ready for the truth...

Spicoli, you have an anti marijuana attitude, don't ya? Hippies can be great parents, man! ;)

[HiddenBeauty]

Yea parents dont take your kids in the headshops let them see them what you chose to buy when you bring it home unless you are going to hide it away where they wont find it.Lol i'm not a parent but even I know kids are smarter and nosier then they like you to think they are.Honesty is the best policy.

[orangeman]

I thought headshops were places where plants were sold..I guess it's more than just that :p.

[stonerneedsrealweed]

Exactly. I'm all for one for hanging out with my children, when I have them, and have some puffs with them, when they understand cannabis fully and know that everything schools, teachers, and television spew out about it is not true. I know when I was 6 or so, I thought all drugs were bad. It didn't matter what kind of drug, but if it was illegal, I really thought it was bad.


same here chodwer

[Nochowderforyou]

I think your opinion is hypocritical... Just like teaching your children safe sex, it is better to be open and teach,than to hide it...

I really don't think so. When a young child is that age, they believe everything they hear. My dad told me once that noodles grew on trees, and I believed him. :p I'm just saying what kids do get taught in school, is that marijuana is wrong, then they see mom and dad doing it, now what do they believe? They will just be confused and maybe get the wrong idea.

You don't teach safe sex to an 8yr old just like you don't teach cannabis to an 8yr old. You wait until they are a tad older and understand what is coming from their folks mouths, and their teachers mouths.

[lemonboy]

I really don't think so. When a young child is that age, they believe everything they hear. My dad told me once that noodles grew on trees, and I believed him. :p I'm just saying what kids do get taught in school, is that marijuana is wrong, then they see mom and dad doing it, now what do they believe? They will just be confused and maybe get the wrong idea.That's one of the reasons such things should be taught at home and not dictated by the government. I would never "shelter" my child from things I KNOW to be right so they would have a seemingly easier time socially. I find it queer that anyone would want their child to just "fall in line" for those first couple of years when you've already pointed out how vital they are developmentally. Shouldn't these be the years we teach kids to ask questions and to never stop asking questions?

[rhino44]

People just arent used to cannabis like other drugs due to its illegality. Parents buy cigarettes and booze in front of their children and plenty of parents use these in front of their children from birth. As we all know just cause something is legal doesnt mean its ok. I personally think all children should be allowed to grow up without any drugs present in order to insure a healthy mind and body. Once they are mature enough to decide wether or not to use anything, let them make that decision. Parents are role models for children and if they use any drugs around them or expose them to a certain enviroment. Then they are most likely going to do the same and at a real early age because they are so impressionable.

[JunkYard]

It's the social stigma attached to MJ that becomes the problem for the child, man. I believe in honesty, but when that honesty interfere's with how my child views me, while society has its way him, I think twice before baring my (what would be) complicated views to him.

Think about it,

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

iv been in a head shop before while i guy had his little daughter (proberly about 10) with him, he was just lookin at clothes and stuff... why is it bad? they're not talking about cannabis, just because they can see the bongs and pipes dos'nt mean they will turn out bad, if they ask what its for they could just say for tabbaco. i mean, whats so bad about that?

[rhino44]

im gonna think about this awhile. htere are so many things that come into play its really complicated. on one hand you want your kid to know cannabis isnt terrible like the govt. portrays it along with the school system and most of the media. but also you dont want him to have an urge to toke up at age 10

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

But just cuz ur in a headshop dos'nt mean you have to tell them about cannabis. wtf?

[lemonboy]

It's the social stigma attached to MJ that becomes the problem for the child, man. I believe in honesty, but when that honesty interfere's with how my child views me, while society has its way him, I think twice before baring my (what would be) complicated views to him.Part of being a parent is having a relationship above the influence of society. If you're going to be involved in your child's life I don't see how it would be a problem. On the other hand, if you aren't then it really doesn't matter whether you smoke or not. Parents that use society as an excuse for their child's behavior simply haven't put in the necessary man hours.

It's almost like Santa Clause. Are those couple years of smiles on December 25 really worth watching your child break down into tears when she realizes that magic doesn't exist? Man, I would have rather known that from the beginning but maybe that's just me.

The running theme here seems to be that kids are stupid creatures that will believe anything. If someone had told me noodles grew on trees I would have kicked them in the shins and went back to watching Mr. Rogers. But again, perhaps that's just me.

[hellomandude]

its none of your buisness why those parents do what they do

u dont c them poppin in ur house judgin how u run shit

i think this is a product of you needing to get a fuckin life

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

Part of being a parent is having a relationship above the influence of society. If you're going to be involved in your child's life I don't see how it would be a problem. On the other hand, if you aren't then it really doesn't matter whether you smoke or not. Parents that use society as an excuse for their child's behavior simply haven't put in the necessary man hours.

It's almost like Santa Clause. Are those couple years of smiles on December 25 really worth watching your child break down into tears when she realizes that magic doesn't exist? Man, I would have rather known that from the beginning but maybe that's just me.

The running theme here seems to be that kids are stupid creatures that will believe anything. If someone had told me noodles grew on trees I would have kicked them in the shins and went back to watching Mr. Rogers. But again, perhaps that's just me.


A kid would'nt look at cannabis the same way as you, you have to remember they think on different wave lenghts to you. "why does daddy smoke cannabis if he dos'nt need it?" "if my dad does it shud i do it?" and alot of other shit, they don't think the same way as you,they think about toys and friends and having fun and playing games, not fucking cannabis. you should let the kid wait til he's older and just let him find out on his OWN, because he WILL, and even if your child does look at these D.A.R.E things and thinks "i dont want to try cannabis because it sounds bad" then so fucking what? you should respect his opionion and should'nt FORCE cannabis uppon your child.

[rhino44]

its none of your buisness why those parents do what they do

u dont c them poppin in ur house judgin how u run shit

i think this is a product of you needing to get a fuckin life

maybe some of us are trying to figure out how we would approach these issues with our own children.

[hellomandude]

figure it out for yourself

your capable of making decisions, right??

if you dont want your kid to be a pothead, dont have weed/paraphanelia around them! :thumbsup:

[enthused]

Yeah if I had kids, and they weren't teenagers yet..they wouldn't be in the headshops. Once in the teens, I will puff up with them and let them smoke at the house...just bring me weed! muahahaha

[hellomandude]

maybe some of us are trying to figure out how we would approach these issues with our own children.

lol and that requires your judgement on another parents decision?

i think not

in the words of carlos mencia

YOU ARE RE-TARDED!!!

[rhino44]

some of us like to observe society and learn from others mistakes and triumphs aswell as from our own experiences. just cuz u havnt looked outside your inbred family to help you make a decision, doesnt mean we all are confined to your stupidity.

[JunkYard]

lol and that requires your judgement on another parents decision?

i think not

in the words of carlos mencia

YOU ARE RE-TARDED!!!

You ever hear of 'trial, and error'? Alot can be learned from others mistakes, and triumphs...

I think it's wise to step back, and take a good look at what others do. If only to see the outcome...

[hellomandude]

some of us like to observe society and learn from others mistakes and triumphs aswell as from our own experiences. just cuz u havnt looked outside your inbred family to help you make a decision, doesnt mean we all are confined to your stupidity.

no, dude. im sorry

lol

[hellomandude]

You ever hear of 'trial, and error'? Alot can be learned from others mistakes, and triumphs...

I think it's wise to step back, and take a good look at what others do. If only to see the outcome...

the whole concept of trial and error relates to your own failing and learning from those failures

cmon i know you guys can do better then this

[JunkYard]

the whole concept of trial and error relates to your own failing and learning from those failures

cmon i know you guys can do better then this

If you think that you can't learn from others, then you are a 'fool!

[enthused]

I try to make all decisions on my own, but a lot of what I learn makes those decisions what they are. Everyone has their opinions and ways of doing things, just let them be. No need to be hostile. Although I will admit sometimes I get frustrated and post while anger is the only thing fueling my thoughts. It happens.


*starts singin 'Why can't we be friends'*

[hellomandude]

If you think that you can't learn from others, then you are a 'fool!

i didnt say you couldnt

i was simply pointing out your miscontrewn conception of trial and error

[hellomandude]

I think it's wise to step back, and take a good look at what others do. If only to see the outcome...

well i hope nochowderforyou can trail that parent and his kid for the next several years

then mabye we'll kno if the kid turned out to be a smoker :)

[JunkYard]

i didnt say you couldnt

i was simply pointing out your miscontrewn conception of trial and error

Trial, and error 'CAN' be observed, man!

[hellomandude]

Trial, and error 'CAN' be observed, man!

stop trying

lol

[hellomandude]

Trial, and error 'CAN' be observed, man!

tru but nothing teaches you like actually experiencing trial and error....

getting redundant..

[JunkYard]

well i hope nochowderforyou can trail that parent and his kid for the next several years

then mabye we'll kno if the kid turned out to be a smoker :)

Although, thats not the point I'm trying to make..you are correct. You can't follow the person in question for 'several' years, lol!

Even so, you can get an idea from the kids demeanor at the time...

[lemonboy]

A kid would'nt look at cannabis the same way as you, you have to remember they think on different wave lenghts to you. "why does daddy smoke cannabis if he dos'nt need it?" "if my dad does it shud i do it?" and alot of other shit, they don't think the same way as you,they think about toys and friends and having fun and playing games, not fucking cannabis. you should let the kid wait til he's older and just let him find out on his OWN, because he WILL, and even if your child does look at these D.A.R.E things and thinks "i dont want to try cannabis because it sounds bad" then so fucking what? you should respect his opionion and should'nt FORCE cannabis uppon your child.First of all, this is a discussion and I respect everyone's opinion. If you can't conduct yourself civilly, don't reply. It's really that simple.

Of course a kid wouldn't look at cannabis and think about it the same way I do. I don't look at cannabis like I do the first time I was exposed to it and I was pretty much an adult by then. As a parent it is your job to help your child come to a conclusion--to bridge the gaps. I'm not advocating cannabis usage by minors. I'm just not interested in seeing children lied to or sheltered from the reality of the situation in the hopes of keeping them safe for a short while. You're robbing Peter to pay Paul if you play it that way.

[tadaa]

When the child is a teenager and maybe understands the proper usage of cannabis, but an 8 year old and a toddler? Come on now, that's TOO young.

What do you people think?

Key word, CHILD. A child doesnt have the ability to understand the proper usuage of anything, let alone a mind altering substance like drugs. I'm glad I never smoked in highschool till my senior year, I would have been much worse off now than I am. I wouldn't want my son or daughter smoking pot on a regular basis while they are trying to get an education.

[hellomandude]

I wouldn't want my son or daughter smoking pot on a regular basis while they are trying to get an education.

now look at that

isnt it amazing

drawing conclusions about a theoretic situation from his own life

congrats my friend, you have a backbone:dance:

[enthused]

Agreed Tadaa. Mostly. Ive smoked all highschool, and graduated top 10%. I'd like to think that I am fairly intelligent, don't think weed made anything wrong. If anything, it helped me be a lot more creative in my writing classes.

[JunkYard]

First of all, this is a discussion and I respect everyone's opinion. If you can't conduct yourself civilly, don't reply. It's really that simple.

Of course a kid wouldn't look at cannabis and think about it the same way I do. I don't look at cannabis like I do the first time I was exposed to it and I was pretty much an adult by then. As a parent it is your job to help your child come to a conclusion--to bridge the gaps. I'm not advocating cannabis usage by minors. I'm just not interested in seeing children lied to or sheltered from the reality of the situation in the hopes of keeping them safe for a short while. You're robbing Peter to pay Paul if you play it that way.

I see your point, but I still dissagree. It is up to the parents to shelter thier kids from things that could potentialy effect them in a negative way. A 'believe' a kid wants to look up to their parents, and to put them in the situation where they are forced to question their parents morals is unhealthy. Teaching them at an early age about an illegal substance, and telling them it's o.k, while our society is fighting tooth and nail to villify it, puts them in that questioning position.

"Who do I choose"? "My dad, or my teachers at school, My mom, or all the t.v commercials spouting about how harmful marijuana is"? "Well, It is illegall...my parents are telling me it's o.k to break the law"!

It causes confusion, and could potentialy cause a wall to be built between them and their parents.

No thanks! I'll stick with being a good role model for mine...

[lemonboy]

I see your point, but I still dissagree. It is up to the parents to shelter thier kids from things that could potentialy effect them in a negative way. A 'believe' a kid wants to look up to their parents, and to put them in the situation where they are forced to question their parents morals is unhealthy. Teaching them at an early age about an illegal substance, and telling them it's o.k, while our society is fighting tooth and nail to villify it, puts them in that questioning position.

"Who do I choose"? "My dad, or my teachers at school, My mom, or all the t.v commercials spouting about how harmful marijuana is"? "Well, It is illegall...my parents are telling me it's o.k to break the law"!

It causes confusion, and could potentialy cause a wall to be built between them and their parents.

No thanks! I'll stick with being a good role model for mine...You're exactly right, it is a parent's job to protect their children from harm. Of course this means yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Lying to them so you can be a good role model in the eyes of society does little good for your child in the long run. What it says is, daddy and mommy lied to me just like the ONDCP lied to me. I simply contend being a good role model, and being a good parent, means operating above the bullshit and treating your children with the respect they deserve. You can't lie to a child for the first 18 years of their life and expect to have a real relationship with them once society no longer has their eye on you. Lying would of course be easier but parenting isn't easy and nobody said it would be.

I place my child's mental health and LIFELONG well-being far, far above your need to look like the model citizen to Uncle Sam and the folks down at the PTA. Parenting isn't about validation, regardless of the tax breaks.

[hellomandude]

imo you gotta teach your children the truth about drugs and theyre place in the world, law etc and the both posotive and negative effects that can come out of smoking mj from a very younge age...

this way they can make the decision for themselves when they are ready

and wont hate you for filling theyre minds with bs, only to "let them in" on something you've been aware of your whole life when they turn 18

be real man. just real

[JunkYard]

You're exactly right, it is a parent's job to protect their children from harm. Of course this means yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Lying to them so you can be a good role model in the eyes of society does little good for your child in the long run. What it says is, daddy and mommy lied to me just like the ONDCP lied to me. I simply contend being a good role model, and being a good parent, means operating above the bullshit and treating your children with the respect they deserve. You can't lie to a child for the first 18 years of their life and expect to have a real relationship with them once society no longer has their eye on you. Lying would of course be easier but parenting isn't easy and nobody said it would be.

I place my child's mental health and LIFELONG well-being far, far above your need to look like the model citizen to Uncle Sam and the folks down at the PTA. Parenting isn't about validation, regardless of the tax breaks.

It's about the 'childs' (The childs) well being. If you choose to teach your child that it is o.k to break the law, and confuse him at an early age, be my guest. I'm not worried about looking good to the powers that be, or the pta, or what have you. My concern is teaching my child right from wrong, and maintaining a good relationship with him. If you suggest that teaching them that it's o.k to break the law is better than teaching them morals, I'll have to question your motives.

Sorry,

[rhino44]

sometimes your morals may conflict with the law.

[hellomandude]

law dosent mean shit

lemonboy is just bein bare bones real about it

the govt. dosent depict whats wrong/right to everyone

a select few can see through their attemps to do so

[JunkYard]

law dosent mean shit

lemonboy is just bein bare bones real about it

the govt. dosent depict whats wrong/right to everyone

a select few can see through their attemps to do so

Which is the very reason I still toke up. I'm old enough to know the difference. My beef is about subjecting a child to differentiate between what is accepted law, and personal opinion about that law. Making them choose at an early age between the two can have negative effects on the child. Not to mention between the child and the parent.

I'm done with this topic. We all have our opinions on how we should raise our children, and what is important to them at an early age.

We disagree, which is fine. I've made my point, and lemonboy has made his.

We disagree...no harm done.

[lemonboy]

It's about the 'childs' (The childs) well being. If you choose to teach your child that it is o.k to break the law, and confuse him at an early age, be my guest. I'm not worried about looking good to the powers that be, or the pta, or what have you. My concern is teaching my child right from wrong, and maintaining a good relationship with him. If you suggest that teaching them that it's o.k to break the law is better than teaching them morals, I'll have to question your motives.It sounds like to me that the disagreement is towards the status of cannabis and the legalization movement, not children. No, it's not okay to obey the law simply because it's the law. It's right there in the Bill of Rights. The people have a right, nay an OBLIGATION to overthrow the government if it becomes tyrannical. And yes, this is one of the first lessons she will learn because ironically the public school system teaches kids that the government can do no harm.

My "morals" and "values" come from my heart and upbringing. They are not dictated to me by Uncle Sam and his ever-changing book of laws. The most conservative people in this country homeschool their kids for these very reasons.

[hellomandude]

The most conservative people in this country homeschool their kids for these very reasons.

lol >>>>homeschooled here<<<<<<

i guess you thought i was an adult

just so you know these p.o.v's are coming froma 16y/o who does very well in school and is quite mentally healthy regardless of the fact that i started smoking at a very younge age

my parents never really tried to 'shelter' me from anything. they realize that i am a person and when it comes down to it i am going to make my own decisions

[lemonboy]

i guess you thought i was an adultActually I wasn't making assumptions of anyone. I was just pointing out that the idea that the government isn't always right transcends political points of view. Even conservative parents homeschool their kids because they want to be in control of their education. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all.

[hellomandude]

Actually I wasn't making assumptions of anyone. I was just pointing out that the idea that the government isn't always right transcends political points of view. Even conservative parents homeschool their kids because they want to be in control of their education. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all.

hmm i guess you mean convservative in the political sense

lol.... i hear that all the time never really took the time to figure out what it means exactly

but idk my parents are pretty open with me blazing so i doubt theyd b considered conservative

[lemonboy]

Yeah I mean in the political sense. I'm not really sure what conservative means these days either so I'll rephrase yet again... People from all walks of life are homeschooling their kids because they don't like the idea of the government dictating curriculum and values.

[hellomandude]

Yeah I mean in the political sense. I'm not really sure what conservative means these days either so I'll rephrase yet again... People from all walks of life are homeschooling their kids because they don't like the idea of the government dictating curriculum and values.

oh, then ill probably be a 'conservative' when i grow up

though i prefer the term revolutionary :)

[Kryzco]

Well in my opinion, I wouldn't bring my kid to a headshop when they are really young, I don't see anything too wrong with it because most likely they won't really get anything from it, like when taking children to stores, they don't sit there and observe the alcohol and cigarettes, but I would just try to avoid exposing my kid to those types of things at such a fragile age

and if and when they are exposed to those things, i will be the one to teach them right from wrong, but ultimately its their decision what they choose to put into their bodies, and theres not much that can be done to stop it without them getting mad about it...

I don't think taking a kid to a headshop will destroy the childs innocence, but I just think if you can avoid it, then its suggested

[hellomandude]

Well in my opinion, I wouldn't bring my kid to a headshop when they are really young, I don't see anything too wrong with it because most likely they won't really get anything from it, like when taking children to stores, they don't sit there and observe the alcohol and cigarettes, but I would just try to avoid exposing my kid to those types of things at such a fragile age

and if and when they are exposed to those things, i will be the one to teach them right from wrong, but ultimately its their decision what they choose to put into their bodies, and theres not much that can be done to stop it without them getting mad about it...

I don't think taking a kid to a headshop will destroy the childs innocence, but I just think if you can avoid it, then its suggested

exactly dude

common sense

[Kryzco]

lol

people from chicago think alike I see

[Boner4Buds]

i got into a strip club when i was 15 but only cause my dad knew the girl checkin ID's and im fine now...i think.. so maybe bringin a kid into a headshop isnt that bad, not like any of you are going to change the mind of a parent who brings their kid into a headshop anyways, fuck it!

[Kryzco]

yeah I agree with you on that

my mom was a bartender and I was practically raised in bars because growing up my dad was in and out of the hospital, and I don't even drink, only like twice a year

its all about the parents teaching right from wrong

your child will listen to you almost over any other authority if you have a good relationship with them

[Boner4Buds]

yeah theres only so much you can say about this and i think its all been said, soon the thread will be going in circles and that gives me a headache, shitcan this thread

[Crimsondane]

Ya know..If you really think back to the time when there were no drug laws.
Using drugs was actually some kind of Right of Passage. Transcending from boy to man. Using them to find a path.

Becoming so totally involved in your childrens lives, and instilling a healthy respect for everything. By doing this (and there are alot of subjects to cover) they will be able to make decisions. The same decisions we have made, because we experienced it.

does this make any sence?

[hellomandude]

Ya know..If you really think back to the time when there were no drug laws.
Using drugs was actually some kind of Right of Passage. Transcending from boy to man. Using them to find a path.

Becoming so totally involved in your childrens lives, and instilling a healthy respect for everything. By doing this (and there are alot of subjects to cover) they will be able to make decisions. The same decisions we have made, because we experienced it.

does this make any sence?

yea

alot

[Crimsondane]

Please let me clarify..
A healthy Respect for Everything, Does not mean Passive Obidience.

Teach your kids the difference between right and wrong.
and then teach them the Governments version.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

First of all, this is a discussion and I respect everyone's opinion. If you can't conduct yourself civilly, don't reply. It's really that simple.

wtf's your problem man? lol, did i say something offensive? it was 4 in the morning and i was confused and tired. I do not see ANYWHERE in that post where i was'nt being civil. I was just clearly stating my opinion like you said, and no where in my post was i being uncivil because i did NOT say ANYTHING that would come off offensive. Chill, man. Love.

[Torog]

I was at the local headshop last night picking up some fuel for my torch lighter, and I was just wondering, is it normal to bring children into headshops?

There was one guy in there with his son, I'm guessing the son was about 6 or 7 years old, and the dad was showing him all the bongs, and pipes. The store is littered with pieces, everywhere! Then as I was leaving, a women brought in her daughter in a baby carrage. Like a toddler.

I didn't say nothing because it's none of my business, but if you ask me, mom and dads should be doing that in their own free time and not bring their children into a store like that when they are so young. When the child is a teenager and maybe understands the proper usage of cannabis, but an 8 year old and a toddler? Come on now, that's TOO young.

What do you people think?

Howdy NoChowderforyou,

I agree with you,folks should not bring their children into a headshop,the last time I was in the headshop,there was a whole section devoted to sex games and toys in an open display in the middle of the aisle,at the height of most children.

Children should not be treated like little adults,they just need to be children and not be assaulted with adult things.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Kryzco]

Well that kind of changed my perception a bit

but I never really thought of that because the head shop i went to didn't have anything sexual displayed, just pipes and bongs

but as for sex stuff I think children should not be exposed to it until they can comprehend it, thats something I'm really stern about because its sad to see all these babies having babies, and basically all these high schools becoming whorehouses, they think sex is the greatest thing (and it can be don't get me wrong) and since they see all these adults who don't say anything about it and praise it, a child is going to think its ok right off the bat, and no one really ever says anything about it until its too late....

and it doesn't help that school makes it sound like its ok to do it, as long as you wear a rubber, and my school is pushing that idea

and we have a high drop out rate due to pregnancy

this topic is making me think we should have a debate forum, but I know we won't because there will be too much drama :(

[Torog]

Howdy Kryzco,

Thanx for yer thoughtful and considered response to the subject of sex displays in headshops and the general issue about when it's appropriate for children to be exposed to sexual matters and issues.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Big Bad Brit]

I don't think kids should be allowed into head shops there should be a minimum age of 16 to go in there.

[Dr. Dro]

I like cheese.

[daima]

daima I think I agree with you, and it seems we are in the minority. At least in an ideal world, no one should have to hide responsible drug use from people of any age. We have all been a little scared by stories of kids ratting out their parents after the DARE program, but c'mon for the most part your kids trust you.

It's a natural plant and it's natural to see people smoking different kinds of plants (kids don't generally know the difference between say tobacco and weed). I agree that they should see it as a normal thing from an early age, even if they aren't allowed to try it for a while. The problem is living in a society that frowns upon it, not that marijuana itself is bad or should be hidden for a long time. Of course it is confusing for kids growing up with DARE, teachers and other parents on one side, and healthy and happy cannabis users on the other side---but I'm not sure the correct remedy to that confusion is hiding the healthy-and-happy aspect from them until they are "ready" to understand. If anything, I think it would ideally be better if you could protect them from all the negative propaganda surrounding drugs until they're old enough to understand it's just propaganda.

That said, it's still a difficult issue for everyone and I'm not sure at all yet how I will handle it when I'm a parent. But if YOU don't take them into the headshops, their older friends will first, and eventually you will seem like you were being dishonest with them.
I told my kids what Marijuana is. They heard my views and they heard the views of the rest of the world. I proudly came out on top. Truth prevails over lies, mis-information and propaganda every time. We just have to have the courage to tell them the truth.
If you and i are the minority, then sobeit. Long live those who tell the truth, even if our numbers are small. Here's to us who dont fit in, and i hope that we never do.:thumbsup:

dai*ma:stoned:

[daima]

maybe some of us are trying to figure out how we would approach these issues with our own children.
Being honest and open is a vital first step. when you water down the truth you water down the chance of your kid ever being educated. It's a funny thing here in the forum. We hear people talk about honesty and how important it is to them, but when it comes to being honest with their kids they somehow seem confused on how that process goes.

dai*ma (2 kids and 2 grand kids. My son nor my daughter use cannabis.)

[geonagual]

This is a great thread
I wanna put my 2 cents in on this
I just took my 13 year old daughter in a headshop yesterday. I have 2 girls 13 and 10. We didnt go into the shop to look at bongs and pipes. We were just going to look at the cool stuff they have in there. All the cool incence, posters and just a buttload of marijuana books, art books and mags. We walked right past the counter with pipes and bongs. You have to be 18 to even look at them. Just cruised past. No biggy.

I believe you should never lie to your children and also explain everything to them before their friends do. I want both of my girls to be open with me in their teenage years. I do not want my kids sneaking around my back.

Can you guess the city this headshop is in?
I took this picture yesterday.

[geonagual]

I told my kids what Marijuana is. They heard my views and they heard the views of the rest of the world. I proudly came out on top. Truth prevails over lies, mis-information and propaganda every time. We just have to have the courage to tell them the truth.
If you and i are the minority, then sobeit. Long live those who tell the truth, even if our numbers are small. Here's to us who dont fit in, and i hope that we never do.:thumbsup:

dai*ma:stoned:

Right on. I read your post after I posted mine.
Like your views on parenting.

Listen to this...
My kids were the only ones in kindergarden who knew the Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny were FAKES. I told them the truth. I just couldnt pretend.

[daima]

Right on. I read your post after I posted mine.
Like your views on parenting.

Listen to this...
My kids were the only ones in kindergarden who knew the Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny were FAKES. I told them the truth. I just couldnt pretend.
My kids asked me, "why the Easter Bunny hides her eggs?"
I told my kids the truth as well. I told them that the Easter bunny hid her eggs because she didnt want anyone to know she was fucking chickens.
JK. :D
The truth is that i never encouraged my kids to believe in such capitalist nonsense. I tell them that we live in a society that is constantly targeting its population to get them to become "consumers"
I always encouraged my kids to Volunteer. Thats the best gift of all.
I believe that i took the time to teach my kids what was important to me.
I always took the time to listen to what's important to them. Only then could a legitimate debate occur.
My wife died in 1989 and raising two kids and being on the road a lot wasnt easy. I know that my views arent shared with many, but then again, they werent intended to be. I dont want to see through my neighbors eyes and make my decisions based on what they see. I want a neighbor that allows me the freedom to be an independent thinker. Not one that critisizes me because i choose to live "differently". Thats what a free society is. Unless my neighbor is being abusive to his/her family/pets/me and my family, then how they live is really none of my buisness.

dai*ma:stoned:

[lemonboy]

wtf's your problem man? lol, did i say something offensive? it was 4 in the morning and i was confused and tired. I do not see ANYWHERE in that post where i was'nt being civil. I was just clearly stating my opinion like you said, and no where in my post was i being uncivil because i did NOT say ANYTHING that would come off offensive. Chill, man. Love.Well in all fairness you cussed at me and told me I best respect his opinion. Totally unnecessary when this is a forum and the entire point is to go back and forth. Granted, we could sit here agreeing and "loving" each other, but that's not really what discussion is all about. Although no, it isn't a big deal, I just don't appreciate the stingers some people insist on closing their posts with.

[lemonboy]

The truth is that i never encouraged my kids to believe in such capitalist nonsense. I tell them that we live in a society that is constantly targeting its population to get them to become "consumers"I wish someone had taken the time to explain that to me or even offered it as an option. Since I became enlightened to the truth of consumerism and capitalism the way I live my life has changed dramatically. It's funny when I'll talk to my parents and other family about capitalism they look at me like I'm crazy. The idea that we are born, live, and die to make someone ELSE a profit is too much for some people to process.

[tadaa]

I can see some logic in this, but not much. Kids should be educated about sex too, but would you take your 10 and 13 year old daughter into a sex shop? See my point?

[VoidLivesOn]

Well at my local mall theres a outdoors store that has a counter dedicated to pipes.Like glass peices, wooden peices, so on...

Little kids go in there all the time, even without there parents.

[daima]

I can see some logic in this, but not much. Kids should be educated about sex too, but would you take your 10 and 13 year old daughter into a sex shop? See my point?
I would absolutely take my kids/grand kids into a sex shop. Whats so dirty about that?
i would never take them off to war.
My kids have asked why two dogs are stuck together. WTF am i suppose to say? too much super glue? They are having a urge to reproduce. Big deal.
Sex, like cannabis, arent dirty topics in my house. They are a normal part of human curiosity. I will never close the door, nor will i ever ask my kids to close their minds. They know they can approach me with any topic without being frightful of me becoming a 'pig parent".
dai*ma :stoned:

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[tadaa]

There's a difference between education and taking a 10 and 13 year old girl into a sex shop where they sell 2 headed dildos. No wonder half the youth is fucked up with parents like you. Taking a 10 year old girl into a sex shop isn't bein "open minded", it's being fucking ignorant.

[daima]

Well that kind of changed my perception a bit

but I never really thought of that because the head shop i went to didn't have anything sexual displayed, just pipes and bongs

but as for sex stuff I think children should not be exposed to it until they can comprehend it, thats something I'm really stern about because its sad to see all these babies having babies, and basically all these high schools becoming whorehouses, they think sex is the greatest thing (and it can be don't get me wrong) and since they see all these adults who don't say anything about it and praise it, a child is going to think its ok right off the bat, and no one really ever says anything about it until its too late....

and it doesn't help that school makes it sound like its ok to do it, as long as you wear a rubber, and my school is pushing that idea

and we have a high drop out rate due to pregnancy

this topic is making me think we should have a debate forum, but I know we won't because there will be too much drama :(
It is impossible for any person of any age to comprehend anything until they are introduced to it. It's called, Education.
dai*ma Most pregnacies are due to lack of information.

[LIP]

I say get em into it young, but i wouldnt let my kid smoke at that age. Id be happy for him to smoke when hes about 12+

I also dont smoke joints or even cigs infront of a kid, cos children seeem to think that smoking is "Cool" and thats why so many kids smoke.

[RevDutch]

personally I'm not comfortable with bringing children into headshops. I figure it this way, with all the trouble that headshops could face from law enforcement (in the U.S. at least) its best to keep a strict professionalism when going to headshops. My three basic rules are these:

1) Don't EVER mention cannabis to anyone while inside the headshop or in the area directly outside the headshop.
2) NEVER refer to a water pipe as a bong.
3) Don't go to a headshop smelling like you just came out of a 4 hour smoking session in your car.

Also, most shops only allow people that are 18+ to even enter the store (at least around where I live and out in San Franciso (in the nicer shops that don't sell crack pipes). Personally I view headshops like a porn shop (at least until cannabis is legalized). You wouldn't bring your child into a porn shop would you?

[Nochowderforyou]

Howdy NoChowderforyou,

I agree with you,folks should not bring their children into a headshop,the last time I was in the headshop,there was a whole section devoted to sex games and toys in an open display in the middle of the aisle,at the height of most children.

Children should not be treated like little adults,they just need to be children and not be assaulted with adult things.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

Thanks Torog. It was nice to see that someone can take an opinion like an adult.

Agree or disagree, 90% of the posts here were made by children. You people can't take an opinion like a normal person, instead, you cuss and make silly assumptions. Unless you have something creative to say instead of repeating "retard" over and over, you kids should seriously consider what you're getting all worked up over. If you can't handle an online opinion, do yourself a favour and kill yourself now. :)

[Euphoric]

Everybody likes little kids. Its not like your bringing em into a bar or something. If youre talking about little punks, its kind of annoying unless they are actually cool.

[Euphoric]

Children are little adults and should be treated with the same respect as an old person. They need guidance though, and nurturing, just like animals. Heck, until we reach 6 - 7 we have the same intelligence as animals

[turtle420]

Children are little adults and should be treated with the same respect as an old person. They need guidance though, and nurturing,
HOLY SHIT!!!

Mom! Is that you?!

Wow man... your parents really did a great job raising you...

That, what I quoted you, is EXACTLY what my mother said since I (and my siblings) where little.

[daima]

There's a difference between education and taking a 10 and 13 year old girl into a sex shop where they sell 2 headed dildos. No wonder half the youth is fucked up with parents like you. Taking a 10 year old girl into a sex shop isn't bein "open minded", it's being fucking ignorant.
OH MY!!!! a two headed dildo. Run for your lives!!!!!:dance: :dance:
I know plenty of dildo's with one head. Ya dig?
As for your thoughts on why half the kids are fucked up, and you seem to believe it's because of parents like me? Thats funny. We feel like it's because of people like you. wowie:dance:

dai*ma:thumbsup:
Imagine......900 acts of violence on TV every day, and you call being exposed to sex toys bad. If i may say so, thats what i call being ignorant.
Being informed doesnt mean particpating. Being informed means better choices. Sex toys arent that scarey to you, are they? Have you been attacked by one? Robbed by one? ====
I'll tell you what else is ignorant. Sending your kids off into a world with stupid uninformed people. Thats down right dangerous. I'm glad my kids and grand kids know what a condom is. I'm glad my kids and grand kids know about cannabis, drugs, booze, tobacco, sex. Odds are in my favor that when they encounter these things on their own that the decisions they make just may save their lives. Kids are 3 and 4 watching violent acts every day.
My kids? they play music. They work. They are responsible human beings.
They know how to ask for a condom. They know how to talk to their friends when they see their friends make unhealthy choices. Call me a bad parent if you want, but that doesnt necessarily make it so. Bad parents dont give a fuck what happens to their kids and they dont seem to mind lying to them. I dont lie to my kids, and i care enough about them to not let Mr. goody two shoes tell them what morals they should be encompassing.:stoned:

[Euphoric]

HOLY SHIT!!!

Mom! Is that you?!

Wow man... your parents really did a great job raising you...

That, what I quoted you, is EXACTLY what my mother said since I (and my siblings) where little.

loL thnx i got most of that perspective from the celestine prophecy actually :D

[Jeff Spicoli]

a percent of them are fucked up cause of people like you daima, don't even try to deny it

[Kryzco]

It is impossible for any person of any age to comprehend anything until they are introduced to it. It's called, Education.
dai*ma Most pregnacies are due to lack of information.

Oh I know that, but thats the problem, lack of information, and thats what I was getting at, parents now-a-days don't talk to their kids unless the tv tells them to, and usually they always learn the government propaganda bs and never learn the truth

kids are exposed to everything young because of tv, anti-pot commercials, most tv progamming has sexual connotations to it, because sex sells

my whole ideal of parenting is teaching your kids right from wrong, and whatever they choose to do with their information is on them, you can try to do your best to protect them, but in the end, they do what they want, my parents always let me know what was up and they tried their best to try and shield me from getting to alcohol and cigs, and they did a good job, I'm an adult now and I've made my decisions in life, and regardless of whether they like it or not, they respect it. i came out all right, I was always taught to know my facts which i think is something more people need to learn and to be open-minded while knowing the pros and cons of what your doing and then to make your decisions and that should you make a mistake, all you can do is learn from it, but blame no one but yourself if you brought it upon yourself

you can't hide your kids from anything, they'll find it, but its up to you to let them know the truth

[daima]

a percent of them are fucked up cause of people like you daima, don't even try to deny it

They say 3 percent of the people use 5 to 6 percent
of their brain
97 percent use just 3 percent and the rest goes down
the drain
now i dont know which one i am but i'll bet you my
last dime
99 percent think we're 3 percent 100 percent of the
time:dance:

They say 64 percent of all statistics are made up
right there on the spot
84.4 percent of people believe'em whether they're
accurate statistics or not
now i dont know what you believe but i do know
there's no doubt
i need 20 percent THC , i got too
much to think about:D

Too much to think about
too much to figure out
stuck between hope and doubt
It's too much to think about:confused:

97 percent of everything you learned in school was
bullshit you dont need
81 percent of everything you got you bought to
satisfy your greed
Because 86 percent of the whole population links
possesssions to success
Even though 80 percent of the wealthiest 1 percent
of the population
drinks to an alarming excess
More money, More Stress
I guess:cool:

dai*ma :dance: :dance: arent percentages great?:thumbsup:

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

Well in all fairness you cussed at me and told me I best respect his opinion. Totally unnecessary when this is a forum and the entire point is to go back and forth. Granted, we could sit here agreeing and "loving" each other, but that's not really what discussion is all about. Although no, it isn't a big deal, I just don't appreciate the stingers some people insist on closing their posts with.

ok man, i apologize. your right, everyone has their own opinions, and everyones entilted to one. Love :) :cool: :rasta:

and no, it would'nt be much of a discussion if we all agreed lol

[daima]

ok man, i apologize. your right, everyone has their own opinions, and everyones entilted to one. Love :) :cool: :rasta:

and no, it would'nt be much of a discussion if we all agreed lol
Sounds right to me. I like the lyrics. Good clean honesty and to the point

dai*ma:thumbsup:

[Fengzi]

I wouldn't bring my 2yo daughter into a headshop with me to go buy a pipe. I don't really think that there's anything wrong with her seeing the things there, however. Its just that when I'm with my daughter it's "daddy time". When I smoke it's "me time". I generally try not to mix the two.

I especially have a problem with the woman bringing the baby in the stroller in to the headshop. It just conjures up all kinds of images of the baby crying or getting into trouble while the mother gets high.

The way I see it, education about things like drugs and sex is good. But if you bring a child along with you when you go to a headshop, you are bringing them into that part of your life. A part of your life which is an "adult" part. Its like sex education: when the time comes I will teach my daughter what she needs to know. I'm not going to bring her into the bedroom so she can watch my wife suck my dick, however.

[hellomandude]

I wouldn't bring my 2yo daughter into a headshop with me to go buy a pipe. I don't really think that there's anything wrong with her seeing the things there, however. Its just that when I'm with my daughter it's "daddy time". When I smoke it's "me time". I generally try not to mix the two.

I especially have a problem with the woman bringing the baby in the stroller in to the headshop. It just conjures up all kinds of images of the baby crying or getting into trouble while the mother gets high.

The way I see it, education about things like drugs and sex is good. But if you bring a child along with you when you go to a headshop, you are bringing them into that part of your life. A part of your life which is an "adult" part. Its like sex education: when the time comes I will teach my daughter what she needs to know. I'm not going to bring her into the bedroom so she can watch my wife suck my dick, however.

as if a two year old can even comprehend what a pipe is, Lol!

[daima]

I wouldn't bring my 2yo daughter into a headshop with me to go buy a pipe. I don't really think that there's anything wrong with her seeing the things there, however. Its just that when I'm with my daughter it's "daddy time". When I smoke it's "me time". I generally try not to mix the two.

I especially have a problem with the woman bringing the baby in the stroller in to the headshop. It just conjures up all kinds of images of the baby crying or getting into trouble while the mother gets high.

The way I see it, education about things like drugs and sex is good. But if you bring a child along with you when you go to a headshop, you are bringing them into that part of your life. A part of your life which is an "adult" part. Its like sex education: when the time comes I will teach my daughter what she needs to know. I'm not going to bring her into the bedroom so she can watch my wife suck my dick, however.
I dont think that any person here was advocating that you and your wife give one another head in the presence of your kids. I think the thread is about morals and head shops. I see nothing immoral about a pipe or cannabis. If your child was to walk in on your act, what do you do>? say? any explaination? and if so what do you tell your child when they ask, "daddy, why did you put your pee wee in mommys mouth? I have kids and the questions they asked are unlimited in nature. I would rather tell my kids that mommy and daddy pleasure each other that way than lie to them.
Lets not take the pro-drug war approach here.
As a single parent there is no such thing as "daddy time" and Me time"
Being a parent is a 24 hr a day job. Hiding pipes and cannabis from kids is IMO absurd. Educating them on what pipes and cannabis are is a great first step. Making them out to be "bad" doesnt help and it isnt honest..
I worry more about whats in my kids food than i do about them knowing whats in my pipe. Food kills, cannabis doesnt.Many many Foods causes a life time of health problems, i dont see that being the case with cannabis.
Being honest with your kids doesnt mean advocating that they use or do it. It means that they will probably be able to handle a situtation better than those kids who only hear what the media and the politicians says.

dai*ma:D
Count the number of violent acts that are on TV every day, including cartoons. Thats where the focus should be, IMO.
In the Vietnam era we had a saying when it came to sex and war, and it mostly addressed the gay issue.
"How can we give a medal to a guy for killing another (hu)man, while degrading him and kicking him out for loving another?
My answer? we shoudnt. Dont let the rules that society has laid out for us be the word of God.

[Torog]

Howdy daima,

You make some very good points..no doubt-derived from hard-won wisdom.

I would like to point out a particular 'food',that we should all be wary of,that being aspartame. For a start on the mal effects of this sweetner used in over 5000 products,you could zip over to the Marihemp politics board,one of the members there,has posted a couple of articles on it..and it's an eye-opener..I tell you what !

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Fengzi]

I understand what you are saying Daima, and agree with most of it. And, I used the example of my wife giving me head only to illustrate a point, not because I thought anyone was advocating it. I guess I just didn't explain my point well enough.

Sex, drinking, marijuana use, etc. are adult activities. Educating them about these activities, and being open and honest with them, is definitely the best approach. That doesn't mean you should involve them in these activities, however. I'm sure most of us would agree we wouldn't give a 2yo a shot of Jack Daniels, a bong hit, or intentionally bring them into the bedroom to see mommy and daddy together. The question then, becomes one of where do we draw the line between education and involvement? IMO, bringing them into the headshop while you buy a new pipe or bong dangerously straddles that line.

[slipknotpsycho]

i have no problem with kids (when i say kids i mean roughly people age 13-17) smoking... but i am strongly against encouraging any drug use in a child... which i feel taking them to a headshop as a baby could have some strong outcomes on whether they get into drugs or not (if the habbit of taking them continues that is). if that kid doesn't get exposed to drugs, or does and just decides not to do them, good for them, we all know it's not the best road to go down, and the parents have to set the example since kids almost always are influenced by their parents...

in answer to your question, i think it's wrong to do that... because if it keeps up, eventually the kid is going to get wise to what all the pretty glass is used for and since his parents do it, he might feel he wants to do it too, as i said i'm strongly against encouraging kids to smoke... if i was the headshop owner or the worker on duty that day i would have refused service to both of them on sheer principal, what does it really say about the parents if they're too busy to go to the headshop on their own time (i.e. someone else has the kid) you can almost bet it also means they don't have the time to themselves to do said drugs

[daima]

I understand what you are saying Daima, and agree with most of it. And, I used the example of my wife giving me head only to illustrate a point, not because I thought anyone was advocating it. I guess I just didn't explain my point well enough.

Sex, drinking, marijuana use, etc. are adult activities. Educating them about these activities, and being open and honest with them, is definitely the best approach. That doesn't mean you should involve them in these activities, however. I'm sure most of us would agree we wouldn't give a 2yo a shot of Jack Daniels, a bong hit, or intentionally bring them into the bedroom to see mommy and daddy together. The question then, becomes one of where do we draw the line between education and involvement? IMO, bringing them into the headshop while you buy a new pipe or bong dangerously straddles that line.
Greetings friend,
IMO involvement means Education. Marijuana use is an adult activity in America and many other nations. There are also many nations where cannabis use is totally accepted by youth with their parents.
It was the Iowa School of Nursing, DeanMelanie Drier @ Iowa University, who tells us about her research when it came to Ganja using parents using Ganja with their children, and then compariing her findings to those who didnt use cannabis with their children. She concluded that parents who used Ganja with their children, some as young as age 4, had stronger bonds between parent and child than the non-cannabis using families did, they spent more time reading and teaching their kids than the non ganja using parents/kids did, and the respects levels between parent and child were that we america only hope for. The Government has tried to get her to "be quiet" about her findings, but she refuses. Many tribes inAfrica also have this practice.
I have used cannabis for 35+ years. I allowed my kids to asked about it, question it, water my plants, and fetch me my bong. Neither of them use cannabis to this day. Crazy huh? My cannabis use has never led me from my parental duties. My kids eat well, have a nice home, clothed well, educated.
I absolutely reject the argument that if kids are somehow introduced to drugs/cannabis that we stand the chance of losing them to a life time of addiction. Science and the School of Nursing agree.
I take 100% responsibility for my actions, both good and not so bright.
IMO society has conditioned us to act in ways that conflict with the human mind and curiosity. Does that make our curiosity wrong? immoral? I say, No.
On a daily basis we are taking our kids into stores that sell much more dangerous items then you see in a headshop. Do we not take them in stores?
IMO people do more damage to kids by restricting what they see and hear, then we do by allowing them to see and hear it without an honest explaination/debate. That old movie "Carrie" is a great example. That poor kid, because of the strong religious beliefs held by her mother, and her mother hiding things from her all her life didnt even know what a period was. When it happened she was tormented and scared and thought she was going to die. I will not allow that to happen to those i love.
I really doubt that any of us have to worry about our two year olds getting stoned , or catch them giving one another head. What they see on TV is more likely to make that happen.
In my house drugs arent a dirty word, nor is sex. They are human topics that need to be discussed openly and honestly, and we aint getting that from our government. That is my job, not bush's or clintons, or anyone elses.
I could never, nor would i ever, drag my kid to a rehab center. But thats me.
I would never worry about my child being curious to what a dildo is, or a joint, or a bong. These things are objects and things that need to be discussed. The next time you drive down the highway, or through town, or across the country, take the time to look at whats advertised to our kids. That scares the hell out of me, but i would never advocate having them removed. They give us a chance to have conversations with our kids. I emphasize on the word "us", the parent, the guardian, those who love our kids the most.
My kids know that the love i have for them is much deeper than anything on earth. I will not violate that trust by hiding things from them, or not allowing them to make an informed decision..., question what they see.

dai*ma
If you really love your kids and care about them,here's what i suggest
Blow up your TV. Allow them to ask ANY question thats on their developing lil minds. Never lie to them or hide things from them. Introduce them to music and people from all walks of life. NEVER humiliate them. NEVER hit them.
TRUST them. And trusting them is much easier when they are informed.
Most kids think kissing is ewwwwweeee yuk at 6 years old, and girlshave cooties/kooties. I doubt that giving head never enters their mind. If they are "accidently" exposed to the act? Ahhhhhhh no one ever said that parenting and explaining things to kids was a piece of cake. The time has come to be honest and open with them. They deserve that at any age and it's us the parents responsibilty that we do it honestly. Some kids actually believe that Oral sex isnt sex because of what formed prez clinton said about it after he got caught. gee whiz. lmao.
This is my opinion and i believe that every person is entitled to it :dance:
I am sure that most people in this forum that have kids, love their kids with all their hearts.

[Fengzi]

One thing is for sure Daima, although I may not agree that bringing a child into a headshop is a good idea, I can see that you have taken a very active role in bringing up your kids and this is what's most important. Too many people just take parenting for granted, don't think about what they are doing, and just hope the kids will work out. It's not always about whether the specific choices that you make are right and wrong. The fact that a person takes an active role with their kids, and makes the choice in the first place, is what makes them a good parent.:thumbsup:

[daima]

One thing is for sure Daima, although I may not agree that bringing a child into a headshop is a good idea, I can see that you have taken a very active role in bringing up your kids and this is what's most important. Too many people just take parenting for granted, don't think about what they are doing, and just hope the kids will work out. It's not always about whether the specific choices that you make are right and wrong. The fact that a person takes an active role with their kids, and makes the choice in the first place, is what makes them a good parent.:thumbsup:
Your comment means a lot to me. Allowing the TV to raise my kids, or people who dont have the interests and love that i have for my kids, just isnt an option. Unfortunately many in our country are programmed and both parents have to work just to make it. The kids are the real losers when this is the case. I am also fortunate enough to of earned a living without working for a factory, corporation/another person. There were times when i was on the road and didnt see my kids, but the time i was there? you couldnt separate us. I am also fortunate enough to be semi-retired now. My whole life is now dedicated to my family. I give guitar lessons to kids less fortunate here in San Francisco two times per week, and furnish those who cant afford a guitar with one to use. I use a sliding scale for payments. Those that can pay, pay what they can. Those that cant pay, but the desire is there, it's free. Mnay of the kids i teach come from a family where one of the parents are in prison. Mostly drug related crimes, which is why i am so outspoked against the drug war(if you noticed lol). Any hoot. I just vaporized some of my bubble hash and that really activates my thought process, which means..i could go on and on,but you seem like a cool cat and because of that i just cant see putting you through it :D
Once again Fengzi, thanks for the compliment. I appreciate it.

dai*ma:stoned:

[tadaa]

OH MY!!!! a two headed dildo. Run for your lives!!!!!:dance: :dance:
I know plenty of dildo's with one head. Ya dig?
As for your thoughts on why half the kids are fucked up, and you seem to believe it's because of parents like me? Thats funny. We feel like it's because of people like you. wowie:dance:

dai*ma:thumbsup:
Imagine......900 acts of violence on TV every day, and you call being exposed to sex toys bad. If i may say so, thats what i call being ignorant.
Being informed doesnt mean particpating. Being informed means better choices. Sex toys arent that scarey to you, are they? Have you been attacked by one? Robbed by one? ====
I'll tell you what else is ignorant. Sending your kids off into a world with stupid uninformed people. Thats down right dangerous. I'm glad my kids and grand kids know what a condom is. I'm glad my kids and grand kids know about cannabis, drugs, booze, tobacco, sex. Odds are in my favor that when they encounter these things on their own that the decisions they make just may save their lives. Kids are 3 and 4 watching violent acts every day.
My kids? they play music. They work. They are responsible human beings.
They know how to ask for a condom. They know how to talk to their friends when they see their friends make unhealthy choices. Call me a bad parent if you want, but that doesnt necessarily make it so. Bad parents dont give a fuck what happens to their kids and they dont seem to mind lying to them. I dont lie to my kids, and i care enough about them to not let Mr. goody two shoes tell them what morals they should be encompassing.:stoned:

Exposing a 10 year old girl to sex isn't smart parenting. She isn't going to encounter a sexual situation at fucking 10 years old. If you want a slut for a daughter than go right ahead.

Based on your logic there's no limitation to how and when a child is exposed to something because it makes them more "educated". So based on your logic you would take your 6 year old son or daughter to an execution at a prison so she can see someone fry on a chair alive to see what death is all about. We have very different opinions of education. I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say that your kids don't have a college education, and probably won't. But I'm sure that's a big coinsidence:thumbsup:

[da haze meister]

Exposing a 10 year old girl to sex isn't smart parenting. She isn't going to encounter a sexual situation at fucking 10 years old. If you want a slut for a daughter than go right ahead.

Based on your logic there's no limitation to how and when a child is exposed to something because it makes them more "educated". So based on your logic you would take your 6 year old son or daughter to an execution at a prison so she can see someone fry on a chair alive to see what death is all about. We have very different opinions of education. I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say that your kids don't have a college education, and probably won't. But I'm sure that's a big coinsidence:thumbsup:
you are an imbecile. your comments are so stupid, that everyone reading them is somewhat dumber.

[daima]

Exposing a 10 year old girl to sex isn't smart parenting. She isn't going to encounter a sexual situation at fucking 10 years old. If you want a slut for a daughter than go right ahead.

Based on your logic there's no limitation to how and when a child is exposed to something because it makes them more "educated". So based on your logic you would take your 6 year old son or daughter to an execution at a prison so she can see someone fry on a chair alive to see what death is all about. We have very different opinions of education. I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say that your kids don't have a college education, and probably won't. But I'm sure that's a big coinsidence:thumbsup:
Here's a great idea. go to channel 2, turn on "switching partners", and get back to me. Prime Time baby.
My kids know better than to believe the "slut"theory" lmao
I am not the one exsposing my kids, nor have i ever exposed them to anything but the truth, pal. I did however take the time explaing to them what they see when they asked, and it will always be ok for my kids to ask me anything. If you got a problem put the blame where it belongs , society.
We are a anti death penalty family. Its racist and the state should not be allowed to execute human beings. i have taken my kids in the past, and my grand kids to San Quentin Prsion to protest state sponsored murder.
My daughter is a Photographer and works for Macys, and is working on her PhD @ Santa Clara University, in Santa Clara California(Silicon Valley)
My son is in the Marines. Graduated second highest in his class. Married his high school sweet heart. Neither of them use cannabis, drugs, booze, tobacco. You didnt go out on a whim. You went out thinking you know more than you know and looked more like a fool.
dai*ma :D
We got little kids with guns fighting inner city wars
So what do we do? we lock these little kids behind prison doors
And we call ourselves the advanced civilization
But that sounds like crap to me
And we are living in the wasteland of the free

We got high school kids runnin' 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess
Who cannot pass a 6th grade reading test
But if you ask them, they can tell you
the name of every crotch on M-TV
And you point your finger at me
and the way i raise my family? :dance: :dance: :dance:
I will consider the source. :stoned:

[king kong bong]

Exactly. I'm all for one for hanging out with my children, when I have them, and have some puffs with them, when they understand cannabis fully and know that everything schools, teachers, and television spew out about it is not true. I know when I was 6 or so, I thought all drugs were bad. It didn't matter what kind of drug, but if it was illegal, I really thought it was bad.

you're fueling the propaganda. if you dont believe weed to be a drug and not bad for you, you shouldn't worry bout kids going into a headshop and seeing all the pipes and bongs. you should be showing them that there's nothing wrong with weed.

[king kong bong]

the sex thing, i have no clue how children are exposed to it but they are. the other day i was in a park shooting around and i hear these 10-11 year olds talking bout girls and fuckin and whatnot. i couldnt believe my ears, these children were fuckin tiny lookin like 4th or 5th graders. so no matter what you do, they are gonna be exposed to sex.

[kbrbudhead]

Well, I'm a new dad; My boy is almost 8 mos. old. I've probably got a ways to go before all of the questions pop up, but I do plan on at least keeping the tv off. I watch cartoons, the history channel, bbc america, the only music channel worth a shit is bet jazz. But for the most part my kid so far hasnt been exposed to propoganda except for the occasional toy commercial. I'm an aspiring musician- 23 and I've played guitar since the age of 4. My dad kept his pot secrets from me until I actually found out from a friend in high school that he had smoked with him and his dad. I was confused at the time because we essentially shared the same views on the herb, but i found out later that he mainly kept it from me so my mother wouldnt find his stash too. I plan on keeping my habit to myself until hes at least 15. By then he would probably be asking all of the right questions. Like "shoud I trust the goverment?"

later yall

[CocaCola]

That's one of the reasons such things should be taught at home and not dictated by the government. I would never "shelter" my child from things I KNOW to be right so they would have a seemingly easier time socially. I find it queer that anyone would want their child to just "fall in line" for those first couple of years when you've already pointed out how vital they are developmentally. Shouldn't these be the years we teach kids to ask questions and to never stop asking questions?

^^ And forever should be.

[CocaCola]

Howdy daima,

You make some very good points..no doubt-derived from hard-won wisdom.

I would like to point out a particular 'food',that we should all be wary of,that being aspartame. For a start on the mal effects of this sweetner used in over 5000 products,you could zip over to the Marihemp politics board,one of the members there,has posted a couple of articles on it..and it's an eye-opener..I tell you what !

Have a good one ! :stoned:

Thanks for bring that to everyone's attention... why aspartame, a cancer causing agent, is our food... I'll never understand why.

[tadaa]

Here's a great idea. go to channel 2, turn on "switching partners", and get back to me. Prime Time baby.
My kids know better than to believe the "slut"theory" lmao
I am not the one exsposing my kids, nor have i ever exposed them to anything but the truth, pal. I did however take the time explaing to them what they see when they asked, and it will always be ok for my kids to ask me anything. If you got a problem put the blame where it belongs , society.
We are a anti death penalty family. Its racist and the state should not be allowed to execute human beings. i have taken my kids in the past, and my grand kids to San Quentin Prsion to protest state sponsored murder.
My daughter is a Photographer and works for Macys, and is working on her PhD @ Santa Clara University, in Santa Clara California(Silicon Valley)
My son is in the Marines. Graduated second highest in his class. Married his high school sweet heart. Neither of them use cannabis, drugs, booze, tobacco. You didnt go out on a whim. You went out thinking you know more than you know and looked more like a fool.
dai*ma :D
We got little kids with guns fighting inner city wars
So what do we do? we lock these little kids behind prison doors
And we call ourselves the advanced civilization
But that sounds like crap to me
And we are living in the wasteland of the free

We got high school kids runnin' 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess
Who cannot pass a 6th grade reading test
But if you ask them, they can tell you
the name of every crotch on M-TV
And you point your finger at me
and the way i raise my family? :dance: :dance: :dance:
I will consider the source. :stoned:

The death penalty is racist? lol, yea and Tookie Willaims was just a "victim":rolleyes:

You make me fucking sick. If people like you ran this country we would have committed economic suicide 20 years ago.

[CocaCola]

And economy is more importent then people?

[Satan666]

Yeah here we dont do thats shit

[daima]

Howdy daima,

You make some very good points..no doubt-derived from hard-won wisdom.

I would like to point out a particular 'food',that we should all be wary of,that being aspartame. For a start on the mal effects of this sweetner used in over 5000 products,you could zip over to the Marihemp politics board,one of the members there,has posted a couple of articles on it..and it's an eye-opener..I tell you what !

Have a good one ! :stoned:
You have a good one too bro. Let truth guide us all:thumbsup:
peace,
dai*ma:stoned:

[daima]

Well, I'm a new dad; My boy is almost 8 mos. old. I've probably got a ways to go before all of the questions pop up, but I do plan on at least keeping the tv off. I watch cartoons, the history channel, bbc america, the only music channel worth a shit is bet jazz. But for the most part my kid so far hasnt been exposed to propoganda except for the occasional toy commercial. I'm an aspiring musician- 23 and I've played guitar since the age of 4. My dad kept his pot secrets from me until I actually found out from a friend in high school that he had smoked with him and his dad. I was confused at the time because we essentially shared the same views on the herb, but i found out later that he mainly kept it from me so my mother wouldnt find his stash too. I plan on keeping my habit to myself until hes at least 15. By then he would probably be asking all of the right questions. Like "shoud I trust the goverment?"

later yall

Good luck on your future as a musician. I made a living playing my guitars, with no regrets. Keeping the TV off is a great idea. I hope it sticks.

dai*ma:thumbsup:
Blow up yout TV
Throw away your paper
Move to the country
build you a home
plant a lil cannabis
eat a lot of peaches
try to find your truths
on your own :dance: :dance:

[daima]

The death penalty is racist? lol, yea and Tookie Willaims was just a "victim":rolleyes:

You make me fucking sick. If people like you ran this country we would have committed economic suicide 20 years ago.
Instead of being reactionary, do some research and get back to me.
You bein foolish, brother.
dai*ma
Tree hugging love makin pro choice and gay weddin wide spread diggin hippies like me
skin colored blinded conspiracy minded protesters of corporate greed
we who have nothing and most likely will till we all end up locked up in jails
by conservative christian right wing republican straight white americans males
Diamonds and dawgs
boys and girls
living together in two separate worlds
following leaders up mountains of shame
looking for some one to blame
i know who i like to blame ;) :dance: :dance: :dance:

I make you sick? gee, that was easy. Need mental floss?

[tadaa]

Instead of being reactionary, do some research and get back to me.
You bein foolish, brother.
dai*ma
Tree hugging love makin pro choice and gay weddin wide spread diggin hippies like me
skin colored blinded conspiracy minded protesters of corporate greed
we who have nothing and most likely will till we all end up locked up in jails
by conservative christian right wing republican straight white americans males
Diamonds and dawgs
boys and girls
living together in two separate worlds
following leaders up mountains of shame
looking for some one to blame
i know who i like to blame ;) :dance: :dance: :dance:

I make you sick? gee, that was easy. Need mental floss?

I don't consider myself a republican, and I'm not a christian either. I'm conservative on some issues, liberal on others. The death penalty sure as hell isn't racist. Find something else to cry about.

[daima]

If cryin about an issue that is important to me means cryin, then i shall cry.
Tell me, whhat are your liberal views? I already recognize that your republican views are to be as hateful and as uniformed as possible, and then take the messge you are uniformed about to us, the public. Please, enlighted us with your liberal views? This should be a hoot. The floors yours Mr. republicrat.:dance:
dai*ma :D

[tadaa]

If cryin about an issue that is important to me means cryin, then i shall cry.
Tell me, whhat are your liberal views? I already recognize that your republican views are to be as hateful and as uniformed as possible, and then take the messge you are uniformed about to us, the public. Please, enlighted us with your liberal views? This should be a hoot. The floors yours Mr. republicrat.:dance:
dai*ma :D

I'm liberal on drug laws, and non-violent crimes-that's about it. Anything else I'm conservative on for the most part, because I don't feel that I should support losers with my hard earned tax dollars because of their bad choices. People are responsible for their own decisions, I'm not responsible for yours or his etc...

[daima]

I'm liberal on drug laws, and non-violent crimes-that's about it. Anything else I'm conservative on for the most part, because I don't feel that I should support losers with my hard earned tax dollars because of their bad choices. People are responsible for their own decisions, I'm not responsible for yours or his etc...
Those arent liberal views, although many liberals agree. Science, Medicine, and Research tell us that drugs should be legal, and many Libertarians and Republicans, along with Constitutionalist, agree.
As for your tax dollars supporting "losers?"
Your tax dollars are spent more on tax breaks for the rich and on corporate welfare than they are on the poor, addicted, lazy, combined. Gee whiz bro. Do some reading once in a while instead of allowing those around do your thinking for you. Talk about bad choices? look at United Airlines and the decisions their CEO's made, and who pays for that? you. And the same goes for many who suffered at the hands of Enron. Your tax dollars go to tobacco farmers because no one wants to buy their fucked up tobacco anymore. Do you smoke? How do you feel about your hard earend tax dollars going towards a tobacco farmer who is recieveing money for NOT working. Thats a republican idea by the way. The list of corporate welfare is endless, from the Drug Companies to the oil companies etc etc etc. Oh yeah, while these corporations rake in your hard earned tax dollars, the CEO's are making millions per year in cash, and millions more in stock. At you, the tax payers expence. What do they buy? Huge boats, million dollar homes, three or four nice cars with a house in Europe, etc etc. Where do you live? how many boats? cars? How do you feel about people making two hundred times your pay, while receiving welfare from the government?
Like i said before. I suggest that you stop being so reactionary and do some solid reasearch on your own. You fucking sound like Bret Hume dude.

dai*ma
We got politicians running races on corporate cash
Now dont tell me they dont turn around and kiss those peoples ass
Lets blame our troubles on the poor sounds like some kind of hitler remedy
Here in the wasteland of the fee...i mean free :dance:

[tadaa]

Those arent liberal views, although many liberals agree. Science, Medicine, and Research tell us that drugs should be legal, and many Libertarians and Republicans, along with Constitutionalist, agree.
As for your tax dollars supporting "losers?"
Your tax dollars are spent more on tax breaks for the rich and on corporate welfare than they are on the poor, addicted, lazy, combined. Gee whiz bro. Do some reading once in a while instead of allowing those around do your thinking for you. Talk about bad choices? look at United Airlines and the decisions their CEO's made, and who pays for that? you. And the same goes for many who suffered at the hands of Enron. Your tax dollars go to tobacco farmers because no one wants to buy their fucked up tobacco anymore. Do you smoke? How do you feel about your hard earend tax dollars going towards a tobacco farmer who is recieveing money for NOT working. Thats a republican idea by the way. The list of corporate welfare is endless, from the Drug Companies to the oil companies etc etc etc. Oh yeah, while these corporations rake in your hard earned tax dollars, the CEO's are making millions per year in cash, and millions more in stock. At you, the tax payers expence. What do they buy? Huge boats, million dollar homes, three or four nice cars with a house in Europe, etc etc. Where do you live? how many boats? cars? How do you feel about people making two hundred times your pay, while receiving welfare from the government?
Like i said before. I suggest that you stop being so reactionary and do some solid reasearch on your own. You fucking sound like Bret Hume dude.

dai*ma
We got politicians running races on corporate cash
Now dont tell me they dont turn around and kiss those peoples ass
Lets blame our troubles on the poor sounds like some kind of hitler remedy
Here in the wasteland of the fee...i mean free :dance:

The rich should get tax breaks, they pay most of the taxes, dipshit. Besides that, it allows for the recycling of money back into corporations and increases jobs. Those people busted their ass to get where they are, and they SHOULD reap the benefits. I make plenty of money myself right out of school, so I don't have anything to complain about because I busted my as as well, and will be rewarded for it in the future.

[daima]

The rich should get tax breaks, they pay most of the taxes, dipshit. Besides that, it allows for the recycling of money back into corporations and increases jobs. Those people busted their ass to get where they are, and they SHOULD reap the benefits. I make plenty of money myself right out of school, so I don't have anything to complain about because I busted my as as well, and will be rewarded for it in the future.
LMAO work their ass off!!!!!! haa haa so does the person on the assembly line, in the field, in the factory, but to suugest these plutocrats deserve two hundre times the workers pay is a stretch. LMAO!!! you aint no liberal pal. you're a greedy capitalist. Get out of the closet:dance:

Me a dip shit? i've been called worse. I am sure that if you too work hard your vocabulary will also prosper. Keep up the good work.

dai*ma
Will work for food
Will die for oil
We kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaire gets to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
Let'em eat jelly beans, let'em eat cake
Let'em eat shit, what ever it takes
They can join the airforce, or join the corps
while the rich make money
off bush's illegal war

I suggest that you find something to fuck other than your inflatable Bill O'Reilly doll, The shit he's whispering in your ear aint cuttin it.:dance: :dance:
They earned it !!!! lmao
I rekon you are i have nothing left to say to one another.
they earned it!!! fuck thats funny:dance: :dance:

[Fengzi]

I gotta (at least partially) agree with tadaa on the tax issue. A lot, but not all, of the rich corporate executives do work their asses off. If what they did was so easy, everyone would be doing it.

My father is a VP at a large high tech company here in Silicon Valley. He certainly doesn't make millions a year but many folks out there would consider him rich. I have no problems saying that he has earned every penny of what he has. He came from a pretty poor family of Hungarian immigrants and somehow managed to go to a top Ivy Leage school on a full scholarship He got an ee degree and after graduation went to work as an entry level salesman. He worked his ass off and over the course of 30 years worked his way up through the ranks.

All this was done through hard work. He goes to work early and comes home late. Many nights, as soon as he gets home, he gets on the phone and goes right back to work. He was away on business for a great deal of my childhood, something that he now greatly regrets. Right now he is in Asia. He'll be back on Friday and then a week later goes back to Asia for another 2 weeks. Anyone who has done this type of travel knows it is exhausting, especially for a 59 yo.

Beyond the hard work, there is the mental strain that this type of job places on someone. The decisions my father makes effect not only his job, but the jobs of hundreds of other people. He has had to fire good friends and husbands with expectant wifes. I can't vouch for all execs but I know he takes this very hard. I have watched my father battle chronic insomnia over the years. I have also seen him lying in a hospital bed, body full of tubes, after a triple bypass due to heart disease brought on by chronic stress. I also watched as, for many months, he left the house every day at 4:00am so that he could get his radiation and chemo, to treat prostate cancer, before going to work for another 10-12 hours.

Beyond what I have seen with my father, I have my own exeperience. I'm not a top exec and don't want to be. I am, however, your basic "white collar" worker who spends most of the day at my desk, on the phone, or in a meeting. While I was in college, however, I worked numerous "blue collar" jobs, everything from stuffing boxes in a factory to construction. One thing I can tell you, I'm a lot more exhausted at the end of the day now then I ever was doing those jobs.

Sure, not all CEO's and other top execs deserve what they get, but the vast majority do. And, like I said earlier, if what they did was so easy everyone would be doing it.

[tadaa]

LMAO work their ass off!!!!!! haa haa so does the person on the assembly line, in the field, in the factory, but to suugest these plutocrats deserve two hundre times the workers pay is a stretch. LMAO!!! you aint no liberal pal. you're a greedy capitalist. Get out of the closet:dance:

Me a dip shit? i've been called worse. I am sure that if you too work hard your vocabulary will also prosper. Keep up the good work.

dai*ma
Will work for food
Will die for oil
We kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaire gets to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
Let'em eat jelly beans, let'em eat cake
Let'em eat shit, what ever it takes
They can join the airforce, or join the corps
while the rich make money
off bush's illegal war

I suggest that you find something to fuck other than your inflatable Bill O'Reilly doll, The shit he's whispering in your ear aint cuttin it.:dance: :dance:
They earned it !!!! lmao
I rekon you are i have nothing left to say to one another.
they earned it!!! fuck thats funny:dance: :dance:

The people on the assembly line don't have a masters or phd in their field, or they wouldn't be working the fucking unskilled labor jobs. UN SKILLED, that's why they get paid dogshit.

[Smokey McPot]

I agree, plus when i was that young getting high wasnt needed. I had to much fun just being a kid. I wish i could go back to when i was 8...............those were the days

[daima]

I gotta (at least partially) agree with tadaa on the tax issue. A lot, but not all, of the rich corporate executives do work their asses off. If what they did was so easy, everyone would be doing it.

My father is a VP at a large high tech company here in Silicon Valley. He certainly doesn't make millions a year but many folks out there would consider him rich. I have no problems saying that he has earned every penny of what he has. He came from a pretty poor family of Hungarian immigrants and somehow managed to go to a top Ivy Leage school on a full scholarship He got an ee degree and after graduation went to work as an entry level salesman. He worked his ass off and over the course of 30 years worked his way up through the ranks.

All this was done through hard work. He goes to work early and comes home late. Many nights, as soon as he gets home, he gets on the phone and goes right back to work. He was away on business for a great deal of my childhood, something that he now greatly regrets. Right now he is in Asia. He'll be back on Friday and then a week later goes back to Asia for another 2 weeks. Anyone who has done this type of travel knows it is exhausting, especially for a 59 yo.

Beyond the hard work, there is the mental strain that this type of job places on someone. The decisions my father makes effect not only his job, but the jobs of hundreds of other people. He has had to fire good friends and husbands with expectant wifes. I can't vouch for all execs but I know he takes this very hard. I have watched my father battle chronic insomnia over the years. I have also seen him lying in a hospital bed, body full of tubes, after a triple bypass due to heart disease brought on by chronic stress. I also watched as, for many months, he left the house every day at 4:00am so that he could get his radiation and chemo, to treat prostate cancer, before going to work for another 10-12 hours.

Beyond what I have seen with my father, I have my own exeperience. I'm not a top exec and don't want to be. I am, however, your basic "white collar" worker who spends most of the day at my desk, on the phone, or in a meeting. While I was in college, however, I worked numerous "blue collar" jobs, everything from stuffing boxes in a factory to construction. One thing I can tell you, I'm a lot more exhausted at the end of the day now then I ever was doing those jobs.

Sure, not all CEO's and other top execs deserve what they get, but the vast majority do. And, like I said earlier, if what they did was so easy everyone would be doing it.

We should hook up in the future. I own a piece of property off Lawence Expressway & El Camino, in Santa Clara. My daughter lives there while she attends Santa Clara University. I am in san Francisco.
You mentioned your father being ill. I hope that things go well for you all.
I dont believe that now is the time to debate your father, or and how easy it is, or isnt for all to be put in such positions.
My grand father played the Mandolin over the radio in Manhattan when he first arrived from Austria, and then became one of NYC's finest Taylors.
dai*ma:stoned:

dai*ma

[Fengzi]

We should hook up in the future. I own a piece of property off Lawence Expressway & El Camino, in Santa Clara. My daughter lives there while she attends Santa Clara University. I am in san Francisco.
You mentioned your father being ill. I hope that things go well for you all.
I dont believe that now is the time to debate your father, or and how easy it is, or isnt for all to be put in such positions.
My grand father played the Mandolin over the radio in Manhattan when he first arrived from Austria, and then became one of NYC's finest Taylors.
dai*ma:stoned:

dai*ma

Hey Daima, hell yeah, we should definitely get together some time. Lawrence & El Camino is only about a mile from where I work. Plus I do get up to the city pretty reguarly. I love it down here but SF is just so much more...uh.. well , you know.

My Father is actually doing quite well now. The triple bypass he had a few years back did wonders for him and his cancer has been in remission for more than 3 years now. Thanks for your well wishes though.

[EciRonTog]

Parents drink and smoke cigs in front of their kids like no big deal, to not do the same with weed would just mean that you've bought into the anti-drug BS. Thats not a bad thing and I understand, but learn to think for yourself.

[daima]

Hey Daima, hell yeah, we should definitely get together some time. Lawrence & El Camino is only about a mile from where I work. Plus I do get up to the city pretty reguarly. I love it down here but SF is just so much more...uh.. well , you know.

My Father is actually doing quite well now. The triple bypass he had a few years back did wonders for him and his cancer has been in remission for more than 3 years now. Thanks for your well wishes though.

I will be in L.A. for a while, (Playboy Mansion:thumbsup: ), but i'll seek you out when i get back to SF. Great news about your pop. I'm happy to hear he's doing well.

420 Peace,
dai*ma
My bubble hash will make you lose your way back to the valley:D

[daima]

Parents drink and smoke cigs in front of their kids like no big deal, to not do the same with weed would just mean that you've bought into the anti-drug BS. Thats not a bad thing and I understand, but learn to think for yourself.
BAD PARENTS!!! BAD!!!:D
dai*ma

[JunkYard]

Parents drink and smoke cigs in front of their kids like no big deal, to not do the same with weed would just mean that you've bought into the anti-drug BS. Thats not a bad thing and I understand, but learn to think for yourself.

I never drink in front of my kid, and when I smoke, I go outside so he isn't plagued by the second hand smoke.

Not all parents that drink, and smoke do it in front of their children. Just so you know. :smokin:

[partyguy420]

well... you guys do know that bongs and pipes arnt only used for weed right, and usaly head shops dont only sell pipes and bongs, they also sell ciggerets.

[420kidder]

I once babysat a 10 year old boy when I was like 15 and I rolled a joint in front of him (eek) but I told him that I was rolling my own cigarette because there are less chemicals. Then I told him to never smoke because it's very addictive and you can't stop once you start. I told him how I used to think that I wouldn't get addicted but just like everyone said it happened to me. Then I went outside alone and got high.

Just thought I'd share my similar story hah.