American Troops Kill Children in Cowardly Attack

[Oneironaut]

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060315075846322

Frightened after being fired upon during one of their infamous pre-dawn raids on the village of Ishaki, U.S. troops ran back to the safety of their armored vehicles and called in an airstrike. Five children, two women, and two men were slaughtered as their house collapsed under American bombs.

BAGHDAD (CNN) -- A U.S.-led raid on a suspected site of terror network al Qaeda in Iraq killed 11 civilians -- including five children -- according to Iraqi police, but the U.S. military said the death toll from the strike north of Balad was four.

In addition to the children, the youngest of whom was 6 months old, the dead included four women and two men, police said.

A U.S. military spokesman said a suspected insurgent, two women and a child were killed.

U.S.-led forces came under fire as they raided the building, said Maj. Tim O'Keefe. Air support fired on the site, and the targeted building and a vehicle were destroyed, O'Keefe said.

A man suspected of being a "foreign fighter facilitator" was taken into coalition custody and is being questioned.

Police Capt. Laith Mohammed told The Associated Press that U.S. warplanes and armor were involved in the strike, which flattened a house and killed the 11 people inside.

An AP reporter at the scene said the roof of the house collapsed, three cars were destroyed and two cows killed.

AP photographs showed the bodies of two men, five children and four other covered bodies arriving at a hospital in Tikrit accompanied by grieving relatives.

[Myth1184]

Show a credible link..like AP or BBC, not some Tinfoil hat which looks to be posted by a random person. The CNN Article that is pasted on their tells nothing cept that US/Police forces doubt the body count.

[mont974x4]

Some folks are far to quick to look for anything they can blame the US on. Their intolerance and hate is disgusting.

I do pray that whoever is truly responsible for that is brought to swift and harsh justice.

[Oneironaut]

You only trust things that are said by large capitalist media corporations? And you expect the US military to be completely honest about body counts? Well, even if for some reason somebody completely fabricated this story and doctored some pictures so it looks like some children were killed, you can't deny that the United States Army is murdering innocent children in Iraq. Then instead of apologizing they go ahead and insult them by calling them "collateral damage". For what? Supposedly to install a government that will follow the majority opinion in Iraq. But we know that's just as much a lie as the first excuse for setting their country on fire (WMDs). If they really cared about the majority opinion in Iraq, they would leave immediately like the Iraqis want them to.

[Oneironaut]

Some folks are far to quick to look for anything they can blame the US on. Their intolerance and hate is disgusting.

I do pray that whoever is truly responsible for that is brought to swift and harsh justice.
I do not hate the US. I am not intolerant of America or Americans. I hate the American government, the largest terrorist organization in the world, and the administration bent on world domination that is in charge of it.

Let's face it. This is terrorism. No matter how much you want to deny it, children are dying in Iraq as a result of the actions of the US military. If we define terrorism as violence against civilians for political purposes, I don't see how the whole war isn't a huge act of terrorism.

[mont974x4]

How about figuring out a way to not support the government without totally insulting American troops?

[Psycho4Bud]

Frightened after being fired upon during one of their infamous pre-dawn raids on the village of Ishaki, U.S. troops ran back to the safety of their armored vehicles and called in an airstrike. Five children, two women, and two men were slaughtered as their house collapsed under American bombs.

How bout calling it the way it is? The troops were FIRED UPON then called in an airstrike. How the fuck are the "American troops acting cowardly"? Maybe the insurgents using kids as human shields or at least putting them in harms way are the cowards. That kind of title wouldn't sell shit for articles though!!!:thumbsup:

[mont974x4]

Sadly, the truth doesn't sell very well these days.

[Return of the redi]

"That kind of title wouldn't sell shit for articles though!!!"


And that is the really sad thing. People only want to know what is wrong with western society nowadays. We are committing cultural suicide.

[Fengzi]

How bout calling it the way it is? The troops were FIRED UPON then called in an airstrike. How the fuck are the "American troops acting cowardly"? Maybe the insurgents using kids as human shields or at least putting them in harms way are the cowards. That kind of title wouldn't sell shit for articles though!!!:thumbsup:
My thoughts exactly Psycho. What are they supposed to do?

"Hmmm, someone in that building is shooting an AK-47 at us but there could be women and children in the building so we'll just forget about it and move on..."

LOL

If the insurgents,terrorists, freedom fighters, camel jockeys, or whatever the hell you want to call them, use a building filled with women and children for cover they are to blame. Not the soldiers trying to defend themselves.

If you have to balme somebody blame that cocksucker president that we have for sending them there, not the soldiers. They're just good kids doing their job.:thumbsup:

[Miss Green]

This is an outrage yet again the americans have to kill more innocent men,women and children.Come on now all of you who thinks it's ok, you are all braindead and need to give up the cannabis because it's not helping you you narqs.Seriously can't you see that these innocent people and plenty more are dying for know cause and don't give me the bull shit of the soilders are innocent to because lets face they can always refuse to do the job and they are the true heros not this people that invade a country thinks it ok to kill innocent people and repressing them for there religion it's shameful to say the least.:mad:

[mont974x4]

Would you have us wait and fight them at home? Or simply just respond to their attacks here? America has never been imperialist. Out nations history does not support such claims.

The only way for a troop to rightfully refuse to do this job would have been to not enlist or have legal conscientious objector status. Otherwise, they would be somewhere between deriliction of duty and treason.

[Torog]

This is an outrage yet again the americans have to kill more innocent men,women and children.Come on now all of you who thinks it's ok, you are all braindead and need to give up the cannabis because it's not helping you you narqs.Seriously can't you see that these innocent people and plenty more are dying for know cause and don't give me the bull shit of the soilders are innocent to because lets face they can always refuse to do the job and they are the true heros not this people that invade a country thinks it ok to kill innocent people and repressing them for there religion it's shameful to say the least.:mad:

Howdy Miss Green,

On the face of it-it does seem outrageous and inhumane..however,this is going to continue to happen,as long as the folks there,continue to harbor the terrorists in their homes..and the terrorists love using families as human shields,in order to evoke your kind of reaction.

Another thing is,is that you presume all of the civilians there,to be innocent-when in fact-if they harbor the terrorists willingly,they are not innocent and can expect to become victims of the violence directed at the terrorists.

Maybe when the folks there,git tired of their family's gittin caught in the cross-fire,then they'll stop harboring the terrorists in their homes.

Have a good one ...

[Psycho4Bud]

Howdy Miss Green,

Maybe when the folks there,git tired of their family's gittin caught in the cross-fire,then they'll stop harboring the terrorists in their homes.

Have a good one ...

Howdy Torog,

I'm afraid that makes way to much sense for some people to grasp!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Fengzi]

But Psycho and Torog, why don't you understand the soldiers could just say "no', refuse to do their job, and plant pansies all over Iraq instead. Jeeze, some people just don't get it. ;)

[mont974x4]

LOL

[Psycho4Bud]

But Psycho and Torog, why don't you understand the soldiers could just say "no', refuse to do their job, and plant pansies all over Iraq instead. Jeeze, some people just don't get it. ;)

Think we better swap out the pansies for opium. At least then they could kill the pain when an insurgents AK-47 rings out.
Good point though! I say we ALL refuse to do our jobs for a week and see what happens.:thumbsup:

[Fengzi]

Think we better swap out the pansies for opium. .:thumbsup:

Just like Afghanistan :thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

It is sickening to even be considered an Amerikan now after all of the atrocities that that country has done. I mean WTF! If there are supposed terrorists there, do your investigation and then go after them!! Don't kill innocent women and children!!! It seems like the US created more problems then it solves, just like every other venture the US has taken up. The Middle East sees the US as invaders and they do not want a materialistic lifestyle imposed on them. Amerika needs all that oil to retain superpower status in the 21st century. Fuck this shit dude I'm going to Canada!

[mont974x4]

Bye, have a great trip and I wish you the best of luck.

[Psycho4Bud]

Be sure to dress warm now!!:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Fuck this shit dude I'm going to Canada!
Leaving the U.S. is not the solution---Terrorist have taken control of the USA and you cant let them win the infowars:dance: :dance:

[Psycho4Bud]

Terrorist have taken control of the USA

Prisonplanet.com has taken over the U.S.??? OMG!!!:what:

[eg420ne]

Hola! psycho--- Who said anything about prisonplanet-im talking about your boyking up in the WhiteHousegate----the number 1 terrorist of them all, go-ahead make me laugh by defending LordBushler:stoned:

[Miss Green]

Would you have us wait and fight them at home? Or simply just respond to their attacks here? America has never been imperialist. Out nations history does not support such claims.

The only way for a troop to rightfully refuse to do this job would have been to not enlist or have legal conscientious objector status. Otherwise, they would be somewhere between deriliction of duty and treason.

No the better solution would be not to of invaded this country in the first place let them sort out there own political problems not other coutries coming in and trying to do sort out another country in which they have no real concept of what the real mcoy is and have no further plans of so called improving the country.Now in regards to the troops they shouldn't be in the army true but what about those that develop a consciousness and realise what the hell am i doing here killing these people that have no intentions of invading america.And it would be amazing to see all the troops turn there back what bush would have to deal with.:mad: :clap:

[Miss Green]

Howdy Miss Green,

On the face of it-it does seem outrageous and inhumane..however,this is going to continue to happen,as long as the folks there,continue to harbor the terrorists in their homes..and the terrorists love using families as human shields,in order to evoke your kind of reaction.

Another thing is,is that you presume all of the civilians there,to be innocent-when in fact-if they harbor the terrorists willingly,they are not innocent and can expect to become victims of the violence directed at the terrorists.

Maybe when the folks there,git tired of their family's gittin caught in the cross-fire,then they'll stop harboring the terrorists in their homes.

Have a good one ...

No it's not the "terroist" the make me feel this way it's my government your government and the british govt and what they are doing.Not only are they commiting war crimes but they have no further plans or solution except making the place into a third world country. Well yes maybe they will get tired but over here there hasn't been any death of any australian soilders (not that I wish that)but i don't think they will be really provoked to do anything except people like myself and plenty of other people who disagree with the war and that it shouldn't of happened in the first place.:mad: Don't you think that this is an inhumane and most importantly an illegal war?:confused:

[mont974x4]

I guess it depends on your point of view. I don't beleive the war is illegal.


I haven't heard any viable options from those that oppose the war either.

[Torog]

But Psycho and Torog, why don't you understand the soldiers could just say "no', refuse to do their job, and plant pansies all over Iraq instead. Jeeze, some people just don't get it. ;)

Howdy Fengzi,

If I said "no",every time I was given an order I didn't like,when I was in the military,I would have swiftly recieved a dishonorable discharge,saying "no" to a direct order,is a serious thing in the military,and not taken lightly.

Most soldiers want to spread freedom and democracy and they want to protect their fellow soldiers too,very few will lay down their weapons in a war-zone,when their fellow soldier's lives are at stake.

That liberals would say that all a soldier has to do,is to refuse to obey any order that they don't like,is convincing evidence,that liberals have no business being soldiers and do not understand how the military works or what it means to be a soldier and take the oath to defend one's country and citizens.

Have a good one ...

[Psycho4Bud]

I haven't heard any viable options from those that oppose the war either.

Well, just because! Didn't ya know that?:rolleyes:

[mont974x4]

lol I am actually hoping that the Dem's come up with some good ideas soon. Otherwise it's going to be a boring election season.

[Psycho4Bud]

lol I am actually hoping that the Dem's come up with some good ideas soon. Otherwise it's going to be a boring election season.

Good ideas? How bout a plan....a good plan....a plan for the nation...a plan that we will all love. Kerry was funny to say the least.
Now we got Billary on the loose! Do ya think they'd bring back Monica for Bill?:dance:

[mont974x4]

LMAO maybe.

I keep hearing that they have a plan or better ideas but I haven't heard any details

[Fengzi]

Howdy Fengzi,

If I said "no",every time I was given an order I didn't like,when I was in the military,I would have swiftly recieved a dishonorable discharge,saying "no" to a direct order,is a serious thing in the military,and not taken lightly.

Most soldiers want to spread freedom and democracy and they want to protect their fellow soldiers too,very few will lay down their weapons in a war-zone,when their fellow soldier's lives are at stake.

That liberals would say that all a soldier has to do,is to refuse to obey any order that they don't like,is convincing evidence,that liberals have no business being soldiers and do not understand how the military works or what it means to be a soldier and take the oath to defend one's country and citizens.

Have a good one ...

Torog, Torog, Torog.... I know all this, my comment was something called sarcasm.

I despise Bush, mainly because I think he's an idiot who has no business being the President, but our soldiers have my full support. I'm not one of these bleeding heart Liberals who thinks we should just pack up and come home. While I don't think we should have gone in the first place I do feel we should finish what we started. Both for the benefit of the Iraqi people and for the fact that I don't feel it's appropriate for us to run away with our tail between our legs.

[Fengzi]

! Do ya think they'd bring back Monica for Bill?:dance:


Who knows, they just might bring Monica back for Hillary ;)

[mont974x4]

That's a 3some I wouldnt want to know about let alone watch. I'd have to wash my eyes out with bleach. lol

[Fengzi]

Who said anything about a 3some? :thumbsup:

[mont974x4]

LOL ok so my minds in the gutter this morning.

[Psycho4Bud]

Who said anything about a 3some? :thumbsup:

I'm sure ol' Bill would at least be peeking from a closet doin' the knuckle shuffle on the piss pump!:dance:

[geonagual]

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060315075846322

Frightened after being fired upon during one of their infamous pre-dawn raids on the village of Ishaki, U.S. troops ran back to the safety of their armored vehicles and called in an airstrike. Five children, two women, and two men were slaughtered as their house collapsed under American bombs.

BAGHDAD (CNN) -- A U.S.-led raid on a suspected site of terror network al Qaeda in Iraq killed 11 civilians -- including five children -- according to Iraqi police, but the U.S. military said the death toll from the strike north of Balad was four.

In addition to the children, the youngest of whom was 6 months old, the dead included four women and two men, police said.

A U.S. military spokesman said a suspected insurgent, two women and a child were killed.

U.S.-led forces came under fire as they raided the building, said Maj. Tim O'Keefe. Air support fired on the site, and the targeted building and a vehicle were destroyed, O'Keefe said.

A man suspected of being a "foreign fighter facilitator" was taken into coalition custody and is being questioned.

Police Capt. Laith Mohammed told The Associated Press that U.S. warplanes and armor were involved in the strike, which flattened a house and killed the 11 people inside.

An AP reporter at the scene said the roof of the house collapsed, three cars were destroyed and two cows killed.

AP photographs showed the bodies of two men, five children and four other covered bodies arriving at a hospital in Tikrit accompanied by grieving relatives.

I know that sucks..
but it is a part of war
It is impossible to be sure of who your fighting
It is not the 18,19,20 or 21 year old Marines fault
They have enlisted to fight for our country
they have 2 choices
Kill or be killed or
Go A.W.O.L.

Our government killed those women and children. ..

[Miss Green]

I guess it depends on your point of view. I don't beleive the war is illegal.


I haven't heard any viable options from those that oppose the war either.
I don't hear any valid reasons as to why they all went to the war either except one thing I do know is that it's based on lies and intentions to get the oil but we just didn't want to come out and say it cause it's not a valid reason to go to war there was never any intentions of "invading"america I mean seriously I don't think anyone would want to waste there time or money.And really anyone that voted for bush or supports the war should be held accountable for murder because that's it end of story.:mad: :thumbsup:

[Torog]

No it's not the "terroist" the make me feel this way it's my government your government and the british govt and what they are doing.Not only are they commiting war crimes but they have no further plans or solution except making the place into a third world country. Well yes maybe they will get tired but over here there hasn't been any death of any australian soilders (not that I wish that)but i don't think they will be really provoked to do anything except people like myself and plenty of other people who disagree with the war and that it shouldn't of happened in the first place.:mad: Don't you think that this is an inhumane and most importantly an illegal war?:confused:

Howdy Miss Green,

I believe that all wars are inhumane.

The Security Council of the UN,authorized the use of force against saddam,in order to git him to comply with existing UN resolutions,therefore-it's a legal war. Also,our forces were under constant attack in the NO-FLY zones,therefore our defense of such,was legal.

Have a good one ...

[Torog]

Torog, Torog, Torog.... I know all this, my comment was something called sarcasm.

I despise Bush, mainly because I think he's an idiot who has no business being the President, but our soldiers have my full support. I'm not one of these bleeding heart Liberals who thinks we should just pack up and come home. While I don't think we should have gone in the first place I do feel we should finish what we started. Both for the benefit of the Iraqi people and for the fact that I don't feel it's appropriate for us to run away with our tail between our legs.

Howdy Fengzi,

Lol..well..I thought that you were being sarcastic..but just in case:thumbsup:

Besides,it gave me an opportunity to speak up for our troops:thumbsup:

Saddam and sons,were a direct threat to Israel and to the oil supply,that we are forced to depend on from the middle-east,because of our enviro-nazi's here. Either we fix things over there..or else Israel will be forced to take much more serious measures..in order to defend their country from the enemies that surround them.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[mont974x4]

What lies? Saddam had WMD, the whole world knew it. Besides, the burden of proof is not ours but his. That's the way the law and UN resolutions were written. Saddam is solely to blame.

[beachguy in thongs]

This is an outrage yet again the americans have to kill more innocent men,women and children.Come on now all of you who thinks it's ok, you are all braindead and need to give up the cannabis because it's not helping you you narqs.Seriously can't you see that these innocent people and plenty more are dying for know cause and don't give me the bull shit of the soilders are innocent to because lets face they can always refuse to do the job and they are the true heros not this people that invade a country thinks it ok to kill innocent people and repressing them for there religion it's shameful to say the least.:mad:
Damn, I had no part in this conversation, but even I'm highly offended after the first three sentences, and refuse to read the rest.

[Psycho4Bud]

Damn, I had no part in this conversation, but even I'm highly offended after the first three sentences, and refuse to read the rest.

She just loves to point the finger.....I have an idea for it but thats another issue. She should address the lovely little things about her own country like the genocide of the Australian Aboriginal natives, or their involvement in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq...both wars. How about the wheat for oil scandle that she loves to never post about. :stoned:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Australia
a nation populated by the descendants of deported criminals which has half the crime of the country that deported them.

from: the Devil's Dictionary http://sedition.com/ddx/l/a.html
:dance:

[the image reaper]

Kill them all .... let God sort them out ...

[Psycho4Bud]

Australia
a nation populated by the descendants of deported criminals which has half the crime of the country that deported them.

from: the Devil's Dictionary http://sedition.com/ddx/l/a.html
:dance:

Here's another good one!:thumbsup:


Democrat
1. an American Communist.
2. one who practices bestiality, witchcraft, and sponsors public pornography; a drug user; alt spelling, Demoncrat.

[mont974x4]

It is scarey how similar the Dem's platform and the Communist platform are.

[Psycho4Bud]

It is scarey.

Picture is worth a thousand words!:thumbsup:

[mont974x4]

LMAO

[Miss Green]

Damn, I had no part in this conversation, but even I'm highly offended after the first three sentences, and refuse to read the rest.

I'm offended that you and we are commiting war crimes and you can refuse to read the rest of my posting but it's the truth i'm sorry you can't handle that.:)

[Miss Green]

Howdy Miss Green,

I believe that all wars are inhumane.

The Security Council of the UN,authorized the use of force against saddam,in order to git him to comply with existing UN resolutions,therefore-it's a legal war. Also,our forces were under constant attack in the NO-FLY zones,therefore our defense of such,was legal.

Have a good one ...

Hans blix asked for 3mths more to see if he could find this "weapons of mass destruction" but the un refuse so I don't see how it was legal and they wouldn't be getting fired on if they weren't there in the first place.If you believe that all wars are inhumane then why on earth would you be supporting this?:confused: :what:

[Miss Green]

Psycho4Bud]She just loves to point the finger.....I have an idea for it but thats another issue. She should address the lovely little things about her own country like the genocide of the Australian Aboriginal natives, or their involvement in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq...both wars. How about the wheat for oil scandle that she loves to never post about. :stoned:

Oh I see here you are a bit more smarter than what I thought well you think about your "idea" and I can't wait to see it! Yeah not a problem mate I'll address the issue that is obiviously on your mind:
http://famous.adoption.com/famous/australian-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-children.html
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Vietnam/AATTV.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s829608.htm
http://eherald.alp.org.au/articles/0206/natp20-01.php
And what about what you did to your own Native American and Alaskan Native
http://www.ndnnews.com/Genocide%20on%20Native%20Americans.htm

so there you go psycho I know what my country is or has done and it's shameful a disgrace to australia but at least I can admit what my country has done.Enjoy your reading.:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho4Bud]

well you think about your "idea" and I can't wait to see it!

LOL...I ever get to the land down under I just may take ya up on that! And you said you weren't kinky!!!;) :D

http://famous.adoption.com/famous/australian-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-children.html
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Vietnam/AATTV.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s829608.htm
http://eherald.alp.org.au/articles/0206/natp20-01.php
And what about what you did to your own Native American and Alaskan Native
http://www.ndnnews.com/Genocide%20on%20Native%20Americans.htm

Good links, DEFINATELY will be checking them out! Thanks!!!!:thumbsup:

so there you go psycho I know what my country is or has done and it's shameful a disgrace to australia but at least I can admit what my country has done.Enjoy your reading.:thumbsup:

Both our countries have treated the natives unjust! We called it "manifest destiny". Fancy name for a bad agenda.
You would have to agree that with the mistakes that BOTH our countries have made we would finally grow out of it.....SOMEDAY!!:thumbsup:

My point is this...being from Australia I kind of feel you could enlighten us a little more as to what your gov. is playing...hell...everyone in the world knows about the dealings of our government, just like to see some "ball busting" on some others for a change.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Psycho4Bud]........... [COLOR="YellowGreen"]so there you go psycho I know what my country is or has done and it's shameful a disgrace to australia but at least I can admit what my country has done.Enjoy your reading.:thumbsup:


Regarding Native Americans and Eskimos: The United States did NOT try to "exterminate........by poisoning and shooting". This is totally false. If we had done this, there wouldn't be any around today.

There were wars between the U.S. Government and tribes, renegades, and outright criminals from the Native American community, and sometimes the Indains were right - but we did NOT deliberatly use poison against them.


http://famous.adoption.com/famous/australian-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-children.html
â??For several decades from the 1920s to the 1960s, the Australian government operated a deliberate policy of cultural genocide.â?¦â?¦â?¦.a very similar, if marginally less harsh, policy was operated by the US government against Native American and Alaskan Native Children, and with the same outcome. Both countries had previously tried simply to exterminate their native peoples by poisoning and shootingâ?�

[Psycho4Bud]

There were wars between the U.S. Government and tribes, renegades, and outright criminals from the Native American community, and sometimes the Indains were right - but we did NOT deliberatly use poison against them.

There is the case of the small pox infested blankets......some say it's true, others say it was a honest mistake.

One of our campaigns was to wipe out the Buffalo in order to choke off their food supply...that is fact.

[Breukelen advocaat]

http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm

From the above web site:

I would be the first to admit that a great many wrongs and tragedies were inflicted upon the American Indians, but a deliberate government policy of killing every Indian is ridiculous. There is no question that the United States Government instituted a policy of cultural genocide against Native American, but there is no evidence for a government policy of ethnic genocide, or total extermination. I challenge you or anyone else to supply one documented example.

Another View on Genocide:

Genocide means killing each and every member of group. The word genocide literally means killing a gene and the way to do that is to kill each and everyone who has that gene. The UN definition of genocide applies even if one member of a group is killed or mistreated. Letâ??s face it if you use the UN definition of any crime then US is guilty because according to the UN the US is guilty of everything.

This is what genocide really means:
Genocide is an official policy or an accepted policy where.
1. Every member of a certain group is killed in battle whether they surrender or not.
2. Killing every member of a certain group after they surrendered to authorities.
3. Preventing the escape of every member a certain group so they can be killed.
4. Killing any one who is a descendent of a member of a certain group.
5. The use of forced sterilization to prevent members of a certain group from reproducing while they are being held for eventual extermination.
It was German policy to wipe out Jews in battle. It was German policy to kill every Jew who surrendered to German authorities. It was German policy to check peopleâ??s back ground and if they had any â??Jewish Bloodâ?� and kill them. Jews werenâ??t allowed to leave countries under German control and attempts were made to return Jews to German control so they could be killed.

Here is what Armenian genocide was like:
1. Able bodied Armenian men were taken into custody and immediately killed or worked to death.
2. Other Armenian groups were taken into custody and immediately killed.
3. Then the remaining Armenians were taken on a death march and executed.

None of the above was U.S. policy or happened on a regular basis. There was never an attempt to kill each and every Indian. When were Indians prevented from leaving the U.S.? When were Indians peacefully living among white people rounded up and killed just because they were Indians? None of those things happened.

The use of the word genocide to mean anything other then the systematic attempt by one group to kill every member of another group is insulting to people like Jews and Armenians who really suffered from genocide.

[Breukelen advocaat]

One of my ancestors, a 6th great grandfather, was Captain Peter West, born in Marthaâ??s Vineyard, and died of smallpox at Ft. Edward, NY, in Oct. 1757 - the result, no doubt, of contact with the infected blankets that were being distributed to the Indians as a way to eliminate them. :thumbsup:

45. PETER WEST .b. at Tisbury 21 July 1718, and d. of smallpox at Fort Edward, N.Y. 30 Oct. 1757 Peter lived at Tisbury and is said to have been a farmer or a shipwright. His claim to distinction rests on his military service, especially during the French and Indian War. Banks wrote, "he rendered distinguished service in the Crown Point Expedition of 1756 as captain of a company in Col. Thatcher' s Regiment and later in the regiment of Col. Zacheus Mayhew. In the campaign of the following year he was garrisoned at Fort Edward, N.Y., taking part in the hostilities and d. there. . . " Elsewhere Banks made further comment, although repeating some of the above information, "Perhaps the finest figure during this long series of campaigns was Captain Peter West of Tisbury . Hr is described as possessed of a splendid physique and became an ideal officer of dauntless courage. It is probable that he was a soldier in the Louisburg Campaign of 1745, but we first know of his military service of a certainty in 1755, when he was attached to a regiment raised in the mainland for the early campaigns in the long struggle. His services were mostly in the New York expeditions, Crown Point and Ticonderoga, but his fortune was to die in battle, where his military valor would have led him".
http://history.vineyard.net/franwest.htm#peter25

25. PETER WEST, (Abner,3 Thomas,2 Francis1), b. 21 July 1718; res. T., husbandman; m. Mrs. ELIZABETH (Athearn) (23) CHASE 16 Dec. 1740 (wid. of Thomas (35) ), who was b. 13 Apr. 1715 and d. 2 Sept. 1789. He rendered distinguished services in the Crown Point Expedition 1756 as Captain of a company in Col. Thatcher's Regiment and later in the regiment of Col. Zaccheus Mayhew. In the campaign of the following year he was garrisoned at Fort Edward, N. Y. taking part in the hostilities and d. there of smallpox 30 Oct. 1757. His will 2 Apr. 1756 was pro. 6 Jan. 1758. [See Survey notes.]
http://history.vineyard.net/west.htm

[Psycho4Bud]

The use of the word genocide to mean anything other then the systematic attempt by one group to kill every member of another group is insulting to people like Jews and Armenians who really suffered from genocide.

VERY good point!!!:thumbsup:

[Miss Green]

Regarding Native Americans and Eskimos: The United States did NOT try to "exterminate........by poisoning and shooting". This is totally false. If we had done this, there wouldn't be any around today.

There were wars between the U.S. Government and tribes, renegades, and outright criminals from the Native American community, and sometimes the Indains were right - but we did NOT deliberatly use poison against them.


http://famous.adoption.com/famous/australian-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-children.html
â??For several decades from the 1920s to the 1960s, the Australian government operated a deliberate policy of cultural genocide.â?¦â?¦â?¦.a very similar, if marginally less harsh, policy was operated by the US government against Native American and Alaskan Native Children, and with the same outcome. Both countries had previously tried simply to exterminate their native peoples by poisoning and shootingâ?�

Well that's what the aritcle saids so whether you want to take that in or not is up to you.:confused:

[Miss Green]

And second of all it doesn't apply to jews it's a religion not a race Breukelen advocaat.This is what genocide means The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.:thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

And second of all it doesn't apply to jews it's a religion not a race Breukelen advocaat.This is what genocide means The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.:thumbsup:

Judaism is a religion. Jews, including many that are not religous, are an ethnic group. If you check medical research sites, you will find that there are certain diseases and conditions, such as ovarian and breast cancers, that are many times higher among Jews than other groups. They are not the only ethnic group that has a higher incidence of certain medical problems or characteristics - most do. In the case of Jews, it is mostly because their gene pool was limited for various reasons - such as societies' not allowing them to breed with people other than Jews.

There are only four "races", and people can have genetic markers from more than one:
Indo-European
Native American
East Asian
African