Black Lights

[Euphoric]

HMM well i noticed some mod deleted the threads about black lights. Have they even tried this technique themselves? No. They read in a book it doesnt work and thats that for them. Its always the same in the scientific community. :mad:

Ive been growing houseplants with the aid of blacklights for years and have found that they produce some interesting results. In the future i want to see how they will effect cannabis, too. I dont care if your book says it doesnt work because I see that it can.

I'd like to continue my experiments without the interferance of censorship.

Plus i am interested in observing the effects of alternative lighting techniques (i.e. plasma) and if any one would like to contribute it would be most interesting.
In fact i have purchased some black lights especially for these experiments and i plan on buying some more. So plz dont delete this thread just because you dont believe it won't work..without even trying it! That is just not cool.

[karmaxul]

Black lights illuminate phosphorus. The reason why a white tee shirt glows is because laundry detergent is made with phosphorus. If you wash the phosphorus out it will not glow. Good for finding fungus on plants as well. I have thought about this before and am interested in what you will discover.

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[del...]

you ought to look a little closer. we have removed no 'black light' threads and wouldn't remove anything we disagree with anyway. instead we do our best to save y'all time and grief by sharing our many years of experience with you...and if you'd search at the other grow sites for "black lights" you will see we really do know what we're talking about when it comes to using them in a grow room. here's just one example from a well respected grow site...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=23550&highlight=black+lights

there are many more and they ALL say the same thing...

[Euphoric]

uh oh srry how embarassing lol del rules
oi and thanks karma too :)

well i will still continue with the experiments, since ive seen regular houseplants morph into some amazing growth patterns under black lights..and they turn this unearthly green color..

[alchemiser]

Save your money Euphoric, Blacklight only gives off UV-A.
Cannabis responds very nicely to lots of UV-B :thumbsup: IME.

[Euphoric]

wHAts Uv-b

[alchemiser]

This explains UV very nicely

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uv

[Euphoric]

Interesting..thanks alch :thumbsup:

it says that the sun emits uv-a radiation that reaches the surface of earth... which couldbe used by plants possibly?

its interesting that site said that the ultraviolet radiation messes with DNA. :D

[The Grim Reefer]

no... you cannot. Black Light, by definition, has the improper spectrum of light to successfully grow a plant.

[ledgrower]

yea..its impossible..

[Drugman Joe]

plants dont get the nutrients they need from the light output of any blacklight. Shortly: it just doesn't work.

[alchemiser]

Interesting..thanks alch :thumbsup:

it says that the sun emits uv-a radiation that reaches the surface of earth... which couldbe used by plants possibly?

its interesting that site said that the ultraviolet radiation messes with DNA. :D
There's not enough energy in uv-a Euphoric, many plants have markings that show up under uv-a for insects to use but that's about it.

It's the higher energy in uv-b that causes the photomorphogenic reactions such as skin cancer.
Many plants determine when to stop growing upwards & start maturing by the intensity of uv-b they are recieving.

Cannabis also has an oddity with being resistent to low levels of the lethal uv-c radition.

[karmaxul]

Plants just dont show its reaction as in people it takes years to show signs of cancer that does not mean the damage is not being done. Ultraviolet light as seen in ozone generation bulbs which accurs under 200Nm although for production is produced at 185Nm works because this not natural spectrum adjusts the gravity of elements such as oxygen mutating its properties. Smell is carried in the air by organic microorganisms such as bacteria (mostly benefical) and virus's (mutant bacteria). Because the bacteria is such a simple form of life it dies much quicker do to changes of elements such as oxygen. It is radioactive and poisonous and since they can not breath it they quickly sufficate, then dehydrate, loose there water content, since solids are heavier then liquids they no longer float so to say, turn to dust and well disappear. People use ozone in their homes to clean the air so to say when they have allergies. Fine if no one who plans on breeding breaths it in but not the best solution. The people with allergies have allergies because they were not equipted with the means to handle the bacteria because they did not evolve with this symbiotic form of life or there means to deal with it was damaged some how. Things can be rebuilt with the right conditions and immunities can be obtained. The best way to combat these ailments is by taking calcium which kills virus's such as the calcium found in the olive tree as it is the most complex calcium so far publically found on earth. The calcium works as vaccines due by weakening the virus to a point where the body can learn have to break it down, as seen in the early and present vaccine technology since the days of cowpoxs back in Norway around 1801. I know this is a bit off topic but since ozone is a ultraviolet radioactive product I figured I would include it. (You should have seen the first one I typed up, God damn button mixups)

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[Kush Over]

Now, using a couple 5.0 or 10.0 UVB CFL / Tubes in your grow might be what you're looking for. But black lights? No.

[Bluefunk]

Smell is carried in the air by organic microorganisms such as bacteria (mostly benefical) and virus's (mutant bacteria). Bacteria are not the source of airbourne smell, they do produce an odour, especially the beneficial nitrogen fixing bacteria but viruses are not mutant bacteria.. they are a different organism all together with a different mode of attack, no nucleus, they are much smaller, completely different life cycle and there are no beneficial viruses to cannabis. Smells are nanoscopic airborne partcles Eg farts smelling = shit particles in the air, not bacteria

Because the bacteria is such a simple form of life it dies much quicker do to changes of elements such as oxygen. It is radioactive and poisonous and since they can not breath it they quickly sufficate, then dehydrate, loose there water content, since solids are heavier then liquids they no longer float so to say, turn to dust and well disappear.
Sorry please explain this, as a scientist, that doesn't make sense. bacteria are radio active? are to talking about oxygen free radicals?



People use ozone in their homes to clean the air so to say when they have allergies. Fine if no one who plans on breeding breaths it in but not the best solution. The people with allergies have allergies because they were not equipted with the means to handle the bacteria because they did not evolve with this symbiotic form of life or there means to deal with it was damaged some how. Things can be rebuilt with the right conditions and immunities can be obtained.
Allergies (hypersensitivity type I -IV) are not caused by lack of symbiotic bacteria, its due to the bodies immune system "over-reacting" and attacking the body in various ways (eg exzema)

The best way to combat these ailments is by taking calcium which kills virus's such as the calcium found in the olive tree as it is the most complex calcium so far publically found on earth. The calcium works as vaccines due by weakening the virus to a point where the body can learn have to break it down, as seen in the early and present vaccine technology since the days of cowpoxs back in Norway around 1801. I know this is a bit off topic but since ozone is a ultraviolet radioactive product I figured I would include it. (You should have seen the first one I typed up, God damn button mixups).

-Calcium is merely an ion and is the cause of limescale andhard water but does not work as a vaccine. To immunise people against smallpox. calcium was no involved, cowpox antigens were... they took particles of "puss" from patients with cowpox (a relatively harmless disease), injected it into someone who hadnt had cowpox or smalll pox and they exhibited immunity to smallpox on subsequent exposure due to the cowpox and smallpox antigens being immunologically similar hence milkmaids being immune to smallpox- basic immunology.

Also Ozone is not radiation - ionising radiation or light radiation.. it is simply an unstable molecule which readily degrades into oxygen and an O- radical... sorry to go off topic but i hate it when people bullshit about science.

[Kush Over]

O³, radiation? Hm. It's produced as a result of UV radiation bombarding oxygen molecules containing two oxygen atoms in our stratosphere. The result is the tearing of the bond some of the two atom oxygen molecules have. The now single oxygen atoms, being highly reactive, bond with some of the remaining two part oxygen molecules and other oxygen atoms to form O³, or Ozone. If I'm not mistaken, that's how it's produced in nature.

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Kush Over,
You're exactly right. That's the natural process by which O-zone is created. However, as the gorilla said, it should be noted that you CANNOT breathe O-zone. We breathe two oxygen atoms wrapped around each other. Ozone has three.

[alchemiser]

Ozone is really great for controlling odour :thumbsup:

[Bluefunk]

karmaxul, I don't mean to dig man but that was a pretty invalid statement you made.. why did you try to explain things you don't understand?

[karmaxul]

"Bacteria are not the source of airbourne smell, they do produce an odour, especially the beneficial nitrogen fixing bacteria but viruses are not mutant bacteria.. they are a different organism all together with a different mode of attack, no nucleus, they are much smaller, completely different life cycle and there are no beneficial viruses to cannabis. Smells are nanoscopic airborne partcles Eg farts smelling = shit particles in the air, not bacteria " - you

Ozone is not made with a magic wand that when swirled in the air make "shit" particles disappear. It works by killing bacteria........please read

As a comparison based on 99.99% of bacterial concentration being killed and time taken: Ozone is

25 times of that of HOCl (Hypochlorous Acid)

2,500 times of that of OCl (Hypochlorite)

5,000 times of that of NH2Cl (Chloramine).




Further more, ozone is at least 10 times stronger than chlorine as a disinfectant. Chlorine reacts with meat forming highly toxic and carcinogen compounds called THMs or tri-halomethanes - rendering meats lesser quality products. THMs was also implicated as carcinogens in developing kidney, bladder, and colon cancers. Chlorine also results in the production of chloroform, carbon tetrachloride, chloromethane besides THMs. On the other hand, ozone does not even leave any trace of residual product upon its oxidative reaction.

http://www.ozoneapplications.com/info/bacteria_destruction.htm





The primary character used to classify viruses from bacteria is the kind of nucleic acid that constitutes the virus genome wether it is DNA or RNA, single stranded or double stranded. Nucleic acid like found in bacteria only a mutant (A cell microorganism that manifests new characteristics due to a change in its genetic material) form.



I am not going to educate you wasting my time because you want me to explain things to you that you can look up your self. This is a freebie in the future ask politely instead of insulting me and I would be glad to explain anything I say.

Calcium kills viruses. Before they are killed they are weakened. Weakened viruses make vaccines. Good day

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[Bluefunk]

*sigh* ok.

Firstly, your response to my quote defeats the point, I do not question Ozone's disinfecting and de-odorising power I was just saying smell is not carried by bacteria, bacteria produce chemicals which smell. If it is just bacteria which produce smell, why bother with ozone why not just use a cheaper easier disinfectent to kill bacteria if its just them which produce the smell?

Further more, ozone is at least 10 times stronger than chlorine as a disinfectant. Chlorine reacts with meat forming highly toxic and carcinogen compounds called THMs or tri-halomethanes - rendering meats lesser quality products. THMs was also implicated as carcinogens in developing kidney, bladder, and colon cancers. Chlorine also results in the production of chloroform, carbon tetrachloride, chloromethane besides THMs. On the other hand, ozone does not even leave any trace of residual product upon its oxidative reaction.
What the fuck are you going on about? chlorine reacts with meat? did i question this? is this anything to do with blacklights and ozone? NO.


The primary character used to classify viruses from bacteria is the kind of nucleic acid that constitutes the virus genome wether it is DNA or RNA, single stranded or double stranded. Nucleic acid like found in bacteria only a mutant (A cell microorganism that manifests new characteristics due to a change in its genetic material) form.

Oh.. my.. god.. you actually know nothing. VIRUSES CAN HAVE DNA OR RNA. RNA viruses (eg retroviruses like HIV) have a genome in RNA - correct. DNA viruses (eg many bacteriophages) have a DNA genome.

Viruses are different from bacteria because they have no developed nuclus, are a fraction of the size, completely different (intracellular) mode of infection. you are WRONG WRONG WRONG I can give you a textbook reference or if you really want to waste my time, a journal paper. (Madigan, M.T. "Brock biology of microorganisms" Tenth edition, Pearson education, 2004)


DONT TRY TO EXPLAIN THINGS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. I dont fully understand plant biology as it is just a hobby but i'm a molecular biologist by profession (not a student) so I will prove you wrong if you are.

What about calcium being a cure for smallpox? you failed to comment on that. Smallpox is NOT a virus and calcium does not kill viruses, antiviral agents such as interferon-gamma do. If calcium killed viruses that easily why not just give it to HIV+ patients instead of antiretroviral drugs.

WEAKENED VIRUSES DO NOT MAKE VACCINES - genetically modified viruses with the virulence excluded from its genome make vaccines - basic genetic modification you are wrong - do you want me to back it up with a paper/textbook article?

Sorry for the aggression I just despise people who spread bullshit or try to explain things they dont understand themselves.

Also what the fuck have those images got to do with anything? I know how microbes grow I've made enough growth curves in my time and I know ozone is toxic to bacteria (and most other things) that was not the point in question.

anyway the bottom line is KARMAXEL - STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN THINGS YOU DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND.

[Bluefunk]

"One love, no brain"

[karmaxul]

Have a good day buddy

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[karmaxul]

Mycoplasma A mycoplasma is not a bacteria or virus; Rather, a mycoplasma is a mollicute with no cell-wall and is characterized as a virus-like infectious agent, somewhere in-between a virus and bacteria in complexity.

Mycoplasmas are unicellular, procaryotic disease-causing organisms of pleomorphic structure with no cell wall. In vitro they grow on special media and characteristically form "fried egg" shaped colonies. Like viruses, they are filtrable but are much larger. Transmission is affected by leafhoppers, planthoppers and psyllid vectors as well as by grafting and dodder.

Mycoplasmas are wall-less procaryotes, which can be pathogens of man, animal and plants.

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[karmaxul]

"Viruses are different from bacteria because they have no developed nuclus, are a fraction of the size, completely different (intracellular) mode of infection. you are WRONG WRONG WRONG I can give you a textbook reference or if you really want to waste my time, a journal paper. (Madigan, M.T. "Brock biology of microorganisms" Tenth edition, Pearson education, 2004) "

Prokaryote A bacterial cell lacking a true nucleus; its DNA is usually in one long strand

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[Euphoric]

Ive only got two black light tubes now, heres some goodies tho: http://www.starmgc.com/blcklt.html

Black light LEDs: http://wolfstone.halloweenhost.com/TechBase/bltled_BlacklightLED.html



Keep in mind, the black lights are for novelty and to provide additional wavelengths of light that traditional grow lights miss, not to replace standard lighting systems. Its like some bling bling for yo light spectrum

[Bluefunk]

Mycoplasma A mycoplasma is not a bacteria or virus; Rather, a mycoplasma is a mollicute with no cell-wall and is characterized as a virus-like infectious agent, somewhere in-between a virus and bacteria in complexity.

Mycoplasmas are unicellular, procaryotic disease-causing organisms of pleomorphic structure with no cell wall. In vitro they grow on special media and characteristically form "fried egg" shaped colonies. Like viruses, they are filtrable but are much larger. Transmission is affected by leafhoppers, planthoppers and psyllid vectors as well as by grafting and dodder.

Mycoplasmas are wall-less procaryotes, which can be pathogens of man, animal and plants.




??? what does this have to do with anything?


Prokaryote A bacterial cell lacking a true nucleus; its DNA is usually in one long strand
It generally one large genomic piece of DNA packaged into a chromosome and lots of small pieces of DNA exist (plasmids) in the cell as well so therefore they often have more than one strand of DNA.
Even so what are you saying? I know the differences between eukarya and prokarya, you're arguments getting more and more vague and off the point. Please comment on how calcium work as an antiviral agent?

[The Grim Reefer]

"Scientists at Wageningen Center for Food Sciences in the Netherlands have found that men on a calcium-rich diet have greater resistance to salmonella and E. coli infections.

Researchers suggest that the positive effect of calcium is most likely due to the way the mineral boosts protective intestinal bacteria, especially lactobacilli.

Low-fat milk and calcium supplements may help bones, but the new study suggests calcium may also decrease the effects of traveler's diarrhea. Expect calcium to show up more often as an added ingredient in functional foods."


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"The influence of microbes on the precipitation and dissolution of minerals has been known for a long time. The case of calcium oxalate is particularly interesting because calcium-oxalate is present in many biological systems and plays an important role in biogeochemical cycles and in some humans diseases, such as kidney stones. Despite the poor solubility of metal-oxalate complexes and the high oxidation degree of oxalate, about 40 bacteria species are known to dissolve and use Ca-oxalate as a carbon source.

Aerobic degradation of oxalates leads to the formation of carbonate ions, which will react with calcium released during the consumption of calcium oxalate by bacteria. The transformation of oxalate into carbonate results in a pH increase which allows the calcium carbonate precipitation. During our study of the oxalate-carbonate cycle, we investigated the production of calcium carbonate by oxalate-degrading bacteria. Some strains produce mainly calcite, whereas other strains preferentially produce vaterite a polymorph of calcium carbonate. It seems that exopolysaccharides (EPS) and some types of homo- or hetero-polypeptides are strongly linked to the differential calcium carbonate crystallization.

Vaterite samples similar to those produced by our cultured bacteria have recently been found in nature for the first time. This recent discovery combined with our results emphasizes the critical role of microorganisms in carbonate precipitation by their direct influence on local pH and therefore by controlling the conditions underwhich carbonate precipitates"

Seems true enough. ::thumbsup:

[Bluefunk]

sorry double post: ignore this

[Bluefunk]

"Scientists at Wageningen Center for Food Sciences in the Netherlands have found that men on a calcium-rich diet have greater resistance to salmonella and E. coli infections.

I'd be interested to see the reference but.. karmaxel was trying to explain the anti-VIRAL ability of calcium - obviously we know coli and salmonella are baceria.

Do you have a scientific reference for that article? sounds scientifically competant (unlike some people). But anyway, as I said the original disagreement was concerning the anti-viral properties of calcium. Thanks for your logical input.

Oh and also karmaxel, I forgot to mention fundamental innaccuracy in one of your points:


Prokaryote A bacterial cell lacking a true nucleus; its DNA is usually in one long strand

Ever heard of Archae? extremophiles? methanogens? No archae are bacteria but they are prokaryotic. Therefore your definition of a prokaryote is also wrong.