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Seedling
03-10-2006, 12:35 AM
OK, so they aren't looking so hot. Can someone tell me what is wrong with my girls? I transplanted the tallest one and flushed the other two two weeks ago and changed to 12/12 a week and a half ago. I had added some Epsom salt and some really diluted miracle grow.

Please any help in layman's terms would be very much appreciated.

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Seedling
03-10-2006, 01:01 AM
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Kush Over
03-10-2006, 01:06 AM
A couple of things..

What kind of lighting are you using? And, I see a slight white residue, dried it looks like, on the leaves. Did you foliar feed with something? Also, when you say Miracle-Gro -- what kind, NPK values and other little tidbits?

karmaxul
03-10-2006, 01:47 AM
It looks as if your ph is low do to consently wet bottom of the pots coupled with high tds or total dissolved solids. A garden sprayer to water is good when the pots are so large so you only really water the top half and the bottom at most only gets damp never wet. My fine fryed freind gnome will tell you mixing 20% perlite into the soil will help with this problem, at least the over watering part. A improper spectrum could be a aditional culperate as Kush Over mentioned as well. The tips of the leaves burning is from a high tds. It looks as though the plant was stressed or has a P lock up do to the purpling of the stem although it could be genetics as well. A MH bulb would help increase cloroplast production giving her a greener color. Yellow light breaks down cloroplasts into food with blue light builds them.


The following is a russian translation as requested earlier today by Garden Knome
Оно смотрит если ваш ph низок делает consently для того чтобы намочить дно баков соединенных с высоким tds или подытожить растворенные твердые тела. Спрейер сада, котор нужно намочить хорош когда баки поэтому больш поэтому они только реально намочите верхнюю половину и дно на наиболее только получает влажным никогда не мочило. Мой штраф fryed gnome freind скажет вас смешивая perlite 20% в почву поможет с этой проблемой, по крайней мере над частью. Неправильным спектром был в состоянии быть culperate aditional как Kush над после того как он упомянут также. Концы оставляют гореть от высокого tds. Он смотрит как если бы завод был усилен или имеет п зафиксировать вверх делает к purpling стержня хотя смогло быть генетикой также. Шарик mh помог бы увеличить продукцию cloroplast давая ей более зеленый цвет. Желтое огонь ломает вниз с cloroplasts в еду с голубыми светлыми строениями их.

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bluntman2006
03-10-2006, 02:20 AM
http://growfaq.marijuana.com/index.php?sid=23225&lang=en&action=artikel&cat=29&id=52&artlang=en this is all u need check it out and it shows pics:thumbsup:

Seedling
03-10-2006, 02:21 AM
What is an MH bulb? And is this all I need to do to get them back in shape? I mean how bad are they?

Seedling
03-10-2006, 02:23 AM
Also I am using a 400w hs

bluntman2006
03-10-2006, 02:58 AM
Also I am using a 400w hsclick on the link dude it will help u with this problems:thumbsup:

karmaxul
03-10-2006, 03:13 AM
a 400 watt hps has more of a yellow spectrum. yellow light breaks down cloroplasts into sugar then starch that the plant uses for food. A metal halide has a more blue spectrum which builds cloroplasts and gives a plant a more green color. You could get a conversion bulb to run on your ballast and it will help but this is not exactly a one step curing process. you have a couple issues that need to be taken care of. Your plant is restorable. I would get some thiamine to help combat the stress. Thrive alive will help. Use one to two drops per gallon of water.

Tell me as much as you can about how much you water
how often
with what
how much of the what
temps day and night
temp of the floor

If the floor is cold put foam under it or foam and an eletric blanket

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Seedling
03-10-2006, 05:36 AM
OK I think we have found the problem. I don't know the answer to any of those questions! Of course I could find them out but what should they be? How much should I water a 3 gallon pot and how often?

Seedling
03-10-2006, 05:37 AM
Also - the thrive alive - should I get the green, red or what?

karmaxul
03-10-2006, 06:02 AM
Green is all organic I use the green. The best way to water three gallon pots is with a garden sprayer. Every two to three days only when it is dry with a amount of water so that they will dry out every two to three days. If you can only water the top portion that would be best. Things that will help drying are a fan, heating pad such as a electric blanket, dehumidifier is your basement is damp, but it is best to feed only when dry so that the plants can get air to the roots every 3 to 5 days maximum. If you had to hold your breath longer then you could you would turn unhealthy colors too. Not to insult you in anyway but people will remember better with me stating it like that.

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Here is a sample of a smaller one

karmaxul
03-10-2006, 06:05 AM
for the soil only water droplets on the plants under lights can cause burn spots

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Seedling
03-10-2006, 05:41 PM
So should I water them right before I put them to sleep?

karmaxul
03-10-2006, 06:33 PM
You should water them when they are dry, and only when they are dry.

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HARDDON
03-10-2006, 06:36 PM
Looks like chronic over water and pH problems.

Also, looks like its beyond salvage as well.

Note the purple stems from the base stem to the leaf. BAD NEWS.

Once those fans drop, you have nothing to power the plant flowers. And those flower tops will just stay tiny and dissapoint.

I use lava rock in the bottom of my containers and water only from the bottom. The lava soaks up the water and then the soil soaks water from the rocks.

The roots go where the water is. Deep roots are good and the lava dries out first and will in turn soak back the water from the soil.

Keeps it going in a nice cycle and the soil never gets soaked and nutes dont get washed away in the watering process. Plus you WILL get bigger buds.

Always water first thing in the morning so the plant can respirate the water thru out the day.

Also, plants love to be misted with clean water. A water burn spot here and there hurts nothing. They thrive on misting.

Good luck and sorry bout your plants.

Live and learn.

Seedling
03-15-2006, 07:14 PM
How do you water from the bottom?

karmaxul
03-15-2006, 07:56 PM
You dont with out getting droopy leaves and ph imbalance, not to mention the risk of staving out all the surface roots. Look at Hardons grow journal.
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Seedling
03-16-2006, 04:13 PM
Well mine have begun to flower. Hardon said that they are not salvageable! I will take some more pics tonight and could you please take a look. I hope all this time hasn't been wasted!

Seedling
04-06-2006, 04:10 PM
OK well Hardon was right and all the leaves are falling off. Should I just harvest when all the leaves fall? I mean the bud is sticky as hell so it won't be a complete wash.

latewood
04-06-2006, 07:23 PM
leach/flush them with at least 3 times the fluid your grow containers hold...

Seedling
04-06-2006, 07:33 PM
And should I just wait to harvest until all the white hairs have turned brown? Also, I have already flushed them a couple times, does that matter?

latewood
04-06-2006, 08:53 PM
Anytime you have a bad ph, nute problem, or they start to look bad, you can flush...all you are doing is leaching the toxic salt build-up away...you have to allow them to dry out well before re-adding nutes...In your case, fluhing under the lights might allow plant to perk up, meanwhile you are running clean ph'd water thru plant(some people like to run a 50% solution to plant after leaching)...

what kind of water do you use? sorry if I missed it.

If you have a nice amount to harvest and you are at least in week 6 of flowering, you will get some nice "up high" buddage, Imho.

But if they look nice after leaching, you might want to wait a couple. lw

Seedling
04-06-2006, 11:36 PM
OK so I will flush them tonight before the lights come on. Is there anytime when I have to harvest? Where it would be detrimental to the crop if I did not? I mean do you have to harvest if all the leaves fall off?

latewood
04-07-2006, 04:54 AM
well, you have a week or longer and you want to cut them down, immediately after the lights go out. this gives them that last day of production. the indoor bible suggests this method.

Seedling
04-07-2006, 05:12 AM
So here are some pics - do you think I should wait a week? Or do I have longer?

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latewood
04-07-2006, 08:05 PM
I couldn't get pix to load...they are too big, can you downsize them? I got a little glimpse of main kola...awesome!

I think you still have a couple weeks maybe, it is up too you.

here is the rule of thumb. 1st you need a 30x-100x pocket microscope, to look at your trichomes...but you probably know that...now in your case with the problems...they look like they are mature, but not ripe yet...the high would be nice , I feel...on the up high type, which is good, imho

but, if you are looking at maximum potency you have at least a couple of weeks.

from the small glimpse I got, I would say you don't have problems. but are low on nitrogen, which is what you want at this stage. remind me please...what?, exactly are you feeding them?

Seedling
04-08-2006, 01:16 AM
Actually I stopped feeding them when I was over fertilizing them (diluted miracle grow and then epsom salt when there was a mag. def). What do you recommend I use?

Seedling
04-08-2006, 01:18 AM
Not sure how to downsize the pics

latewood
04-08-2006, 05:25 AM
go on ebay and buy gh micro-grow-bloom 3-part...best deal and easiest to control...imho...Yuo missed a great deal on a 3 gallon kit yesterday...I will look. You are goig to have to bite the bullet and buy some real chitman. I'll be back after I get you a shortcut/link

latewood
04-08-2006, 05:57 AM
go on ebay and buy gh micro-grow-bloom 3-part...best deal and easiest to control...imho...Yuo missed a great deal on a 3 gallon kit yesterday...I will look. You are goig to have to bite the bullet and buy some real chitman. I'll be back after I get you a shortcut/linkhere is what you need to buy if you are serious about growing...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Flora-Series-3-Pack-Grow-Bloom-Micro-hydro-clone-plants_W0QQitemZ7756148455QQcategoryZ43555QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem


this is plenty and will last you awhile...you will have to replace bloom and the micro, 1st...both under 10 bucks, as you use more bloom than anything...

for additives
liquid Karma is my 1st choice...
hygrozyme-enzymes
calmag+-replenish minerals in r-o or distilled water. you most likely don't need this if you are using tap or well water
you need ph up and down

You can grow nice plants with just the 3 part. I recommended the additives, just to give you a start. I use them as much for preventitive measures as I do out of need. goodluck...that ebay deal is around alot.

latewood
04-08-2006, 06:01 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/General-Hydroponics-pH-UP-DOWN-Mix-or-Match_W0QQitemZ7756044429QQcategoryZ43555QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

Seedling
04-08-2006, 12:40 PM
Thanks I just bought it.

latewood
04-08-2006, 04:46 PM
now, you will have alot less prob's...imho, goodluck, keep us posted...wait till replanted seedlings are a couple of weeks old before you start nute program...50% solution 1st week, then 5ml per gallon each in veg. F

For flower: No grow-1 part micro and 2 parts bloom.

this is as simple as it get's. goodluck

latewood
04-08-2006, 04:48 PM
meanwhile for seedlings and clones...If you can't get the liquid Karma, get some superthrive, put 1/4 tsp per gallon,
Superthrive for B-vits. and hormones for good root development and stress...

Seedling
04-08-2006, 06:30 PM
Should I add anything to the flowers I have now? Or do I just wait for the next crop?

latewood
04-08-2006, 08:50 PM
wait, no need putting nutes in now...flush out for another week then harvest correctly...enjoy the smoke...start over and enjoy your 1st pro-nute grow...keep us posted.

Seedling
04-10-2006, 06:40 PM
I ordered a 30x-100x pocket microscope - what am I looking for to see if it's right to harvest?

latewood
04-11-2006, 02:59 AM
read up on trichomes...search the forums...Zandor and countless others have discussed this. If you can't find what you are looking for; I will go more in depth for you. Let us know when scope arrives. lw

Seedling
04-11-2006, 02:33 PM
Checked out the posts - you were right and I got all the info needed. I will update you when I get my microscope! And thanks a lot for your help.

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